:/In post 812, Datisi wrote:i don't do second hand meta
elaborating on your existing reads would do you more favours
what do you think of iv's recent batch of posts?
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Why? So because there are people scumreading IV suddenly his longevity in the game should be relegated to "doesn't reach late game"? That's the kind of policy that N_M should have except not even because IV has done enough readable things to be read. If you don't have a take on IV after what they've done today that seems crazy to me.In post 824, Roden wrote:IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.-
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Explain where I said all three of you were the scum team, where what I said was a discredit, and where what I said was incorrect.In post 821, Mewtaph wrote: And Roden, you can discredit the people voting Margot but you know that calling that wagon the scum team is incredulous. Or maybe it's not, maybe you really think that all three of us are scum waging Margot but if you think that lol whatever.-
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Fake pressuring people. Alright, nah. I didn't even want IV out so check your narrative. Except it's not even a narrative because you're IC, you're just wrong. Sigh.In post 823, Roden wrote:
Exactly why we need to run him up and get an actual claim out of him. I don't like that Mew and T3 wanted IV out until he was brought into claim range, but then got cold feet and swapped over to Margot therefore making all of their pressure pointless and showy. If they want to keep fake pressuring people we can 100% just vote T3 or Mew instead, as I don't see any reason to vote out Margot before any of the three that are voting her.In post 813, Aristeia wrote:I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.-
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This post right here. But in any case what use is a back and forth between me and IC really going to accomplish? Particularly because you've been quite deeply set in scumreading me this game. If you're going to discredit what I do then yes it is a bit of a problem on my end and I'm going to at least comment on the fact that you're actively discrediting my slot (discredited more than just once). Do I actually think this back and forth is very productive? No, not really.In post 807, Roden wrote:There isn't much of a case, three scum read players are just consolidating their votes on Margot.-
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I gave my take on IV. He's done fuck all to scum hunt or solve the game, he's AtE'd us all to hell and back, and he's been wagon'd twice and has had immediate massive resistance to said wagons each time.In post 826, Mewtaph wrote:
Why? So because there are people scumreading IV suddenly his longevity in the game should be relegated to "doesn't reach late game"? That's the kind of policy that N_M should have except not even because IV has done enough readable things to be read. If you don't have a take on IV after what they've done today that seems crazy to me.In post 824, Roden wrote:IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.-
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Massive resistance is a bit of a retell but I'll just let this sit. I'll restate: I don't think this is very productive. We're just going to have to agree to disagree and depending on how other players respond to this then I may have to revisit what was said here.In post 831, Roden wrote:
I gave my take on IV. He's done fuck all to scum hunt or solve the game, he's AtE'd us all to hell and back, and he's been wagon'd twice and has had immediate massive resistance to said wagons each time.In post 826, Mewtaph wrote:
Why? So because there are people scumreading IV suddenly his longevity in the game should be relegated to "doesn't reach late game"? That's the kind of policy that N_M should have except not even because IV has done enough readable things to be read. If you don't have a take on IV after what they've done today that seems crazy to me.In post 824, Roden wrote:IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.-
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Datisi didn't say he townread you, he just said he got cold feet about elimming you on d1.In post 816, innocentvillager wrote:if you are relying on datisi’s experience here why am I still deep in your scumreads? I’m confused-
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In post 817, innocentvillager wrote:
basically the E1 and direct ask for claim at that point was rolefishy, opportunistic, unnecessary and therefore badIn post 806, datsi wrote:What’s the case for Margot again
I pretty much have had my entire perception of her vanish into thin air
i could totally see someone just outing their role and claiming there
also for how much she complained about pressure alleviating on me where the fuck is she to put more pressure on me?
not trying to be a hypocrite so this part comes with a grain of salt but it’s been 3 days since the flashwagon and she’s barely been here, does she really care about this
meh it’s mostly about the Claim I just want an answer to at this point. Less that I actually think she’s like lockscum
I don't understand this.
You're saying she's scummy for putting you at E-1 and she's also scummy for not pressuring you?-
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This post wasn't a scum team accusation, a discredit, or factually incorrect. If you think it is then maybe you're perspective slipping.In post 829, Mewtaph wrote:
This post right here. But in any case what use is a back and forth between me and IC really going to accomplish? Particularly because you've been quite deeply set in scumreading me this game. If you're going to discredit what I do then yes it is a bit of a problem on my end and I'm going to at least comment on the fact that you're actively discrediting my slot (discredited more than just once). Do I actually think this back and forth is very productive? No, not really.In post 807, Roden wrote:There isn't much of a case, three scum read players are just consolidating their votes on Margot.
What makes you think I'm "deeply set" in scum reading you? I haven't even cased you, yet you seem more upset with me than the people who actually have done so.-
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In post 815, innocentvillager wrote:Ari it’s not about “how dare you vote me”
Datisi knows me well and I initially took issue with the push reasoning and margot’s E1 was really harmful the other wagon votes are like whatever I would do that too I don’t see why those votes are scummy necessarily
I also don’t like how you are reducing my posting to just that piece it makes me think you stopped trying to read me after that one string of posts (and given that you’re ignoring me)
can you answer my question now? it’s in my iso twice
If Datisi knows you well then why are you surprised that he thinks you disappearing at the start of the game is scum!indicative? Is his meta on you inaccurate?
I like how dwlee's posting has depth that feels closer to his town game than his scum game. I also don't think scum!him would approach my slot by voteparking me because I don't think scum!him really wants to push town!me since he's played with me before.
I like Datisi's aggression, I think there's a confidence in his town!game that he can't quite replicate exactly in his scum!game - I don't think he's very good at faking conviction when he rolls red and I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was actually scum here.
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In post 828, Mewtaph wrote:
Fake pressuring people. Alright, nah. I didn't even want IV out so check your narrative. Except it's not even a narrative because you're IC, you're just wrong. Sigh.In post 823, Roden wrote:
Exactly why we need to run him up and get an actual claim out of him. I don't like that Mew and T3 wanted IV out until he was brought into claim range, but then got cold feet and swapped over to Margot therefore making all of their pressure pointless and showy. If they want to keep fake pressuring people we can 100% just vote T3 or Mew instead, as I don't see any reason to vote out Margot before any of the three that are voting her.In post 813, Aristeia wrote:I don't have a lot of experience playing with IV so I am kind of relying on your experience here, however I don't think he's posted anything that makes me think he is trying to be active in advancing the game state - it's mostly "how dare you vote me" AtE which is very bleh to me.In post 829, Mewtaph wrote:
This post right here. But in any case what use is a back and forth between me and IC really going to accomplish? Particularly because you've been quite deeply set in scumreading me this game. If you're going to discredit what I do then yes it is a bit of a problem on my end and I'm going to at least comment on the fact that you're actively discrediting my slot (discredited more than just once). Do I actually think this back and forth is very productive? No, not really.In post 807, Roden wrote:There isn't much of a case, three scum read players are just consolidating their votes on Margot.
Thinking on it more, I don't really like your perspective here. You're accusing me of discrediting you...and then immediately discredit the only conftown in the game and tell me I'm wrong without even bothering to explain how or why. Consistently trying to shut down discussion with me because I'm an IC is also really weird and low key just anti-town. I'm the only player in the game you should know isn't lying to you or spinning a narrative, which you even state. So why would you avoid trying to discuss the game with the only person you can trust? Why do you prefer to argue with non-conftown players with scum read you?In post 833, Mewtaph wrote:
Massive resistance is a bit of a retell but I'll just let this sit. I'll restate: I don't think this is very productive. We're just going to have to agree to disagree and depending on how other players respond to this then I may have to revisit what was said here.In post 831, Roden wrote:
I gave my take on IV. He's done fuck all to scum hunt or solve the game, he's AtE'd us all to hell and back, and he's been wagon'd twice and has had immediate massive resistance to said wagons each time.In post 826, Mewtaph wrote:
Why? So because there are people scumreading IV suddenly his longevity in the game should be relegated to "doesn't reach late game"? That's the kind of policy that N_M should have except not even because IV has done enough readable things to be read. If you don't have a take on IV after what they've done today that seems crazy to me.In post 824, Roden wrote:IV also just never goes to ELo without a confirmed inno on him, because if he's town then he'll be mis-elim bait for the rest of the game.
It just sounds like you're frustrated that you can't OMGUS me. If the roles were reversed I'd want to convince an IC that I was town, not discredit them and tell them to stop talking to me. Your implied thought process here just doesn't sit right with me.-
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