I've found the opportunistic vote
VOTE: Roden
Damn it I forgot you were here, I was going to make this postIn post 23, Not_Mafia wrote:SUPCLODPOLES,I'MTHEJESTERANDI'MHERETOTROLLTHEFECALMATTEROUTOFTHISGAME!
VOTE: Not_Mafia
Though I somewhat agree here and maybe Salsa's is the worse voteIn post 48, Mewtaph wrote:It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.In post 45, Datisi wrote:in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?In post 39, Mewtaph wrote:Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.
also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?
I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm..In post 129, Roden wrote:In post 123, T3 wrote:Yeah I do :/In post 122, datsi wrote:don't play the fool with me, you know what you didIn post 117, T3 wrote:why
VOTE: t3VOTE: T3
Yes he claimed Miller mason with N_M who he says is an encryptor in a daytalk-active gameIn post 133, Datisi wrote:did t3 did something outside of usual-t3 into scum-t3 territory? if it's a yes, can someone explain it to me pls i wanna join in on the fun
You argue that T3 making that claim would never actually be done by scum, but it's just as easily argued that scum would never actually believe a town player would make that claim, which is what you're accusing me of now.In post 152, Datisi wrote:like, if you're a miller, ok
if you're mason miller, why out that you're also a mason
if you're outing that you're a mason, why out a partner as well
if you're mafia seriously fakeclaiming for no reason, why the hell would you do any of that
and going "yeah that seemed like a serious scum fakeclaim to me" feels like it's coming from scum who's grasping at reasons to wagon someone rather than town actually thinking things through
27 reinforces that it could have been a joke, but the reactionary vote does not sit right. It's not in good faith to omgus someone that missed the joke. You run that risk making a joke about roles and when it's misinterpreted the appropriate response is to clear up the misunderstanding.In post 154, Datisi wrote:ok, now that i have reminded you, what is your opinion on t3?In post 151, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I didn't remember 27. My vote is solely because T3 tried to claim something that is not likely in a daytalk active setup and is now trying to walk it back as a joke
pedit: very well then
still completely missing my point but ok
ShallowIn post 166, T3 wrote:townIn post 150, Datisi wrote:i don't think this post sounds believeable at all and pretending it does is weird as hell to me, and if t3 is green i think kyouko deserves a closer lookIn post 27, T3 wrote:Same here! Don't we also have a masonry? Why haven't you posted in there?In post 25, Not_Mafia wrote:I’m a Miller btw
rereading the t3 claim, not only is mason miller a nonsense role combination, he's apparently outing his mason buddy too, and how can you think any of this is serious
actually yeah
VOTE: kyouko
mason miller immediately outing his partner makes no sense
scum locking themself into such a powerful claim so early on makes even less sense
What did you mean by this? You arent even voting Dwlee at this point so why apologize to him?In post 70, MargotRosa wrote:@Dwlee Sorry, I just read through page 3 properly lol. I didn't realise you had been conf towned by a conf town
I mean I feel that, presumably there's a long way to go in the Day so you've got time to convince me otherwiseIn post 176, Roden wrote:I'm just using this game to recalibrate my meta since it's getting annoying/exhausting to have to fake exaggerated tones every game.
You passed the first testIn post 180, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't really believe in meta
See I was thinking dinner probably based on the time. Like I said, primarily because of the mewtaph vote. I dont like that you disappeared but I knew it wasnt necessarily intentional. Doesn't keep me from suspecting it happened though ya knowIn post 178, Roden wrote:Also I didn't dip out of the thread, I'm just at work lol
I think T3 was saying that Datisi is town. Pretty sure he is scumreading me.In post 214, Roden wrote:I think T3 saying Kyo failed the reaction test means she's just town. Town doesn't give a shit about looking good, but scum sure does.In post 212, Datisi wrote:though what's hilarious is that i actually kinda don't like this so fuck me i guessIn post 165, T3 wrote:it was a complete joke not a reaction test, but kyo miserably failed the reaction test.
why?In post 166, T3 wrote:town
Bolded is not what you were saying a mere 7 posts ago, what changed?In post 215, Datisi wrote:theoretical disagree on "town doesn't care about looking good", but that's besides the point now - do you think kyouko was aware that her push on t3 was shaky and so scum!her wouldn't have made it in the first place?because it seemed to me like she was convinced her push was great and made senseso dunno if i agree there
Doesn't seem to me like you really believe that I did this, considering 215.In post 208, Datisi wrote:no, i'm arguing that claim would never be *seriously* made by scum. and again, no, i'm not arguing you're scum who believed town!t3,In post 162, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:You argue that T3 making that claim would never actually be done by scum, but it's just as easily argued that scum would never actually believe a town player would make that claim, which is what you're accusing me of now.In post 152, Datisi wrote:like, if you're a miller, ok
if you're mason miller, why out that you're also a mason
if you're outing that you're a mason, why out a partner as well
if you're mafia seriously fakeclaiming for no reason, why the hell would you do any of that
and going "yeah that seemed like a serious scum fakeclaim to me" feels like it's coming from scum who's grasping at reasons to wagon someone rather than town actually thinking things through
You say I'm scum that is grasping for reasons to push T3. If you think it's ridiculous or unbelievable that I actually think T3 is lying here, but you dont realize that what you are postulating looks just as ridiculous, you're the one not thinking clearly.
Going to have to disagree with you on T3.i'm arguing you're scum who saw town!t3 was doing some bullshit nonsense, decided to play dumb, pretend you believe it, and then pretend to debunk it after "taking it seriously". see the difference?
Large Normal 233 and Mini Normal 2218 are my only recent scumgames. Everything else is pre-hiatus.In post 227, Roden wrote:My viewpoint of "town vs scum caring about looking good" mainly comes from my own scum play style, but also something I've noticed in other players. For instance, Titus isn't in this game, but every time I've played with her I notice that she hunts for that town cred ASAP when scum and is a lot more casual D1 when town.
With Kyouko, I haven't really noticed her ever reach for town cred when town. She mainly just pokes and prods, and then starts walling when she's got a better grasp of the game state. I'd like to see one of her scum games though to note the differences.
salsa is town but so am IIn post 265, Roden wrote:I think you're good at vibing out scum, so I'll trust this list if we can sort you as town.In post 261, Salsabil Faria wrote:Read-list (in no particular order):
Roden
Datisi
datsi
T3
N_M
Aris
CO
iv
Getting a feeling that there is at least one scum in this list:
MR
Mew
Dwlee
ssbm
You're not really doing this again after FIA WRC?
I'll have to reread in the morning. Very tired rn and just catching up. T3's posting is now reminding me of how he crumbed traitor in FIA WRC. Answering "not particularly" to "are you scum", and combining his claim that he is disconnected from the game with his commentary on rolling scum being draining feels the same as FIA WRC. He would make inane comments on a lot of things, and hidden in each of those comments was a subtle hint. It was painfully obvious to ManateeGal and I that he was our Traitor, then he went and faked a detective guilty on MG and the whole game fell apart.In post 307, Roden wrote:Kyouko do you have any reads besides T3? Same for Mew, do you have any reads?
@Aristeia - Could you go into some of these in some level of depth?
In post 31, Mewtaph wrote:Slight townread on nydus. His excited opening reminds me of how I felt when I first joined the site. I don't think that scum!nydus would start off their game with what I would describe as almost a surplus of analysis despite not much happening yet.Haha, I've got a lot more energy to devote to this game than I did in that game, so hopefully such things won't slip past my radar this time round.In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:Howdy Mew! Let's hope this time you don't gloss over obvious scum!
@DBW: I only spoke first because no one else spoke before me.
Mewtaph Towngame Micro 668In post 32, Mewtaph wrote:I actually like Gamma so far. I tried to look for what you're saying and I agree that 13 feels over the top but other than that I like the enthusiasm he's trying to bring to the game. It keeps the game moving.In post 27, Accountant wrote:You were enthusiastic in the genuine "let's get this show on the road" way, not the current "!!!" way. It's often easy to do the latter while trying to fake the former.
@Van/DBW: What do you think about the game state thus far?Colored DBW red because he is Mewtaph's partner
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:I think that analyzing posts during the RVS phase is just a long winded time sink, but since you seem to have to some extent and disagree with me keeping thoughts about some posts, I thought I'd entertain you.
I don't understand the basis of your Transcend vote.
Where I get confused is where your first handful of posts consisted of a video and a doge meme, and your voting someone for making an ego post. How does Transcend's post take it over the top in a sense that translates into scumminess? (to the point of trying to get others to vote him). Yeah, it doesn't contain an RVS vote, but neither does yours.
In post 19, Mewtaph wrote:@ChaosOmega: I don't know about likely to get votes, but talking about pressure in the way that I did in my first post does create a potential scenario for votes to come in my direction. Said scenario happened, now the way that it happened being AI or not is up for debate (I'll hold off on commenting on that for now).
10 is a bit directed and selfish for my own read purposes, I'm not going to overjustify it this early on. It is a vote and it is perhaps an easy justification for a vote. When it comes to pretty much every game, I want the game to move away from RVS which is why I made that vote the way that I did.
@Datisi: 12 may seem forced. However, more posts as far as I'm concerned brings the game in a direction further away from RVS which is the spirit of what I created 12 in. I do anticipate how it can come off as forced solvy but prior to that point the thread was still in RVS. 12 wasn't on my mind when I made 10. Looking for spaces to squeeze potential areas to move away from RVS, however, it seeme a reasonable place to start ias any n addition to my first vote to try and get the game state moving.
I also looked at other games but didn't find anything to contradict my theory, and the other scumgame(s) I found (I know I found at least one) he was a replace-in, so RVS was not discussed in his ISO.In post 277, Mewtaph wrote:snipped for brevity
I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained forsince we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.
I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.
Regarding the bold - I said just after that in the same post I do think it's possible Datisi just made that read as town, you even quoted it: "Datisi could have just sniped Mewtaph's ass and I'm not convinced Datisi is scum with Mewtaph." I don't think it's a waste of time to post it. I'm having some degree of paranoia on Datisi's early post about you that I think is probably unwarranted, but I'm always* going to share something like this because I'm thinking it.In post 544, Mewtaph wrote:I feel like I've responded to the parts I can really respond to as best as I can, but if there's anything in particular that you want me to address, feel free to point me in that direction.In post 521, Salsabil Faria wrote:Hmm... I want to see what Mew's response for this. Their play style is confusing to me. But I agree, I also felt that they wanted the towncred for moving the game forward from the RVS but at the same time, it attracts attention
where I can't wrapping my head around it. If they're gamble type scum players, then it makes sense ig.
Like, this is as far as I can really respond up to. This honestly reads more like just what I did this game except I don't really care about it either (leaving RVS, yes, great, but "claiming" that for towncred or as what good has come out of my posts I don't really give a shit about).In post 382, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Speaking of Mewtaph, specifically what I found in his meta is that as scum he has made a big deal of getting the game out of RVS.In post 382, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:It was a newbie game from a long time ago but he hasn't played many games. I think he's still new to scum and that this is still a viable tell. *puts on a tinfoil hat* Now for the juicy bit. Datisi coming into the game swinging on Mewtaph's opener could be a partner interaction. My theory is that Mewtaph came into the PT and voiced that he is new and/or uncomfortable playing scum. Datisi strikes me as a good scum player (have not metad them yet, but I get the vibe from their posting that they would be good at it), and I think that they could have planned for Datisi to make the push early and veer off in order to discourage wagons later in D1 and build cred for Datisi at the same time.This is a scenario specific to a scum!me and scum!Datisi scenario, so in other words largely a waste of time unless they're planning on pushing that further on D1.
In post 382, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I feel like when someone was a wagon early and their wagon dissipates that town is often hesitant to revisit the first wagon unless they've exhausted other scumreads and realized "hey, my original read might have been right because all these other players I've tried to pressure today are towntelling."
All that said, Datisi could have just sniped Mewtaph's ass and I'm not convinced Datisi is scum with Mewtaph. Just wanted to share this.This is more of a general statement and one that even I'd agree with, except I don't think that there's any hesitation when it comes to people voting my slot lol.
I do like 420 though in terms of Kyouko being town but 382 alone doesn't really convince me that they're town. Though in any case I don't think I'm the target audience of these posts anyway.
We don't use that word on site anymoreIn post 549, Mewtaph wrote:L****. plans.
iv how do you plead?In post 586, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:I was considering aristea, but then I realized if IV was really catching up he would have already seen me missing post 2's IC reveal
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Scum will subconsciously or intentionally copy town players, or players that are perceived to be town, both to pocket/buddy that player, and to appear more like that consensus TR to everyone else. I almost always do this kind of ego search if I notice this behavior to see if it is normally a word a player would use. Like MR and "galaxy brain".In post 589, Datisi wrote:i'm probably about to go off at iv myself but like in what universe is that scum!indicative? or town!indicative for that matter? even if he had never heard that term before, saw me use it, and decided to use it himself, how does that potentially reveal anything about his or my own alignment here?In post 582, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:yeah, iv's use of the term shotgun reads pinged me for parroting so I searched his ego and he's only used it once before, also in a game with Datisi, also he was using the term to reference Datisi's usage of the term. They were both town.
It's a reference to a joke from American media. An old movie or TV show. Someone says "Surely you can't be serious?" and the other person (who is male) responds "Of course I'm serious, and don't call me Shirley."In post 596, Salsabil Faria wrote:In post 100, Not_Mafia wrote:Yes, I’m serious, and don’t call me ShirleyIn post 30, Datisi wrote:spicy. is this a serious claim? i'm guessing it is, since i've never seen n_m troll by claiming miller, but to make sure.In post 25, Not_Mafia wrote:I’m a Miller btwWhere? Don't remember.
This is what is infuriating to dwlee about one of the ways I do meta. From a completed game.In post 585, Dwlee99 wrote:WearyIn post 1784, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:This feels unnatural, like when scum searches for a powerful word to drive a point home. A quick ego search reveals you haven't used the term before. Why now?
In post 672, Dwlee99 wrote:Meta: t3 only metas dwlee when he is evil
This is what it looks like when I use meta as scum and I'mIn post 687, Roden wrote:In post 673, T3 wrote:O SHIT I MIGHT HAVE FOUND A TELLIn post 681, T3 wrote:According to the tell, you are town.Last time T3 tried to meta dive people he ended up being scum who was just TMI'ing who town was while bussing his scum buddy.In post 683, T3 wrote:I really don't want to reveal this tell because this is the holy grail of meta tells (note that Dwlee has no scumgames since Open Draft so this tell might have gone away)
Roden being IC just meant 1 of the 5 votes on you was guaranteed to be from town, and that revelation didn't have a bearing on my impression of the wagon on you. Salsa was not a townread at the time. I was thinking her vote was also scummy, potentially moreso than Roden's. The pedit you quoted was posted at the time that I had read through 215.In post 726, Mewtaph wrote:@ssbm_Kyouko: Can you explain this townlean after finding out that Roden is IC and Salsabil faria being your strongest town read? If those two are true, on what basis were you inclined to townlean me for the wagon as you describe in 272?In post 272, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:pedit: Mewtaph I haven't formed a read yet. I think I was scum with him a long time ago either in a newbie or a micro so I'll be looking into that at some point.I'm inclined to townlean just because of the wagon on him but that's not good enough to take him off the table D1 so I'll still have to read.
I'm so meta, even this acronymIn post 731, Dwlee99 wrote:Who is meta??In post 720, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:In post 672, Dwlee99 wrote:Meta: t3 only metas dwlee when he is evil
Dwlee does not meta
catching up atm. I don't have anything helpful to say in response to 629. I read it, it seems you disagree with the conclusion I drew from metaing Mewtaph. I read why you disagree and I dont agree with your reasoning, and was leaving it at that.In post 897, Datisi wrote:i don't think there's any pressure/hurry to do this, but if you've got free time to invest in the game, this might be a good idea. i don't wanna push kyouko because of two reasons (1) derp on ic (2) most people seemed to townread her and claim that she has polarizing play, and they seem to know better than me. otherwise, i'm really not impressed with her slot i guess... i would like her to adress my 629? (*cough* @kyo)In post 821, Mewtaph wrote:On Kyouko, I read what you wrote on them and I largely agree if that makes sense. I don't know if my townreads exactly lines up in the realm of things scum!Kyouko wouldn't do and I want to relook my read there at some point, maybe even D1 if you're specifically looking there for potential scum.
Alright I think I missed where this was mentioned in the first place but everyone is talking about it now and I feel like I'm missing context by not knowing. What is "MBOS"? Anyone can answerIn post 1008, innocentvillager wrote:Datisi metaing MBOS is next on my list
on first glance it looks superficially similar but obviously i need to look into it more, if ur getting similar vibes maybe my tl on T3 weakens
You'll know when you've crossed a line, or are approaching that point. You aren't here as far as I can tell. If you do cross, you can apologize in an out-of-the-game sense and still scumread someone. People can be scumIn post 1033, Roden wrote:Nothing you're saying here is wrong. That's not the issue.In post 1032, Aristeia wrote:faking an emotional response is a standard part of a social deduction game,
if you say that emotions can't be faked and you will never play with someone who is faking an emotional response then um that's not really playing mafia?
If anyone actually has mental health issues due to playing this game, I would assume they would just replace out in order to prioritize their actual well-being over a silly text based game.
I'm getting repeatedly told by two different players that they refuse to talk to me, and imply I've done or said something genuinely damaging. Faking an emotional response, and claiming harm to one's emotional state, are just two completely different things and takes this game to a place that makes it impossible for me to actually play.
Genuinely, what am I supposed to do here?
Thanks, probably will have to reread all the mbos references for context