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Why so quick to vote Rishi, you ask? Besides the two points I agreed with Nameless upon? It was the first wagon I could get to three votes. I thought the info gained from a larger wagon would outweigh the info gained from three smaller wagons. I believe we have gained quite a bit of information from my third vote on Rishi, with admittedly little reason, and none of my own.
I'd prefer votecounts in their own post LG,but I don't really care a whole lot one way or the other.-
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Setting himself up to be on Kmd's wagon if it becomes popular.Nameless in 62 wrote:It may be too soon to judge, but if this trend continues I'd consider Kmd highly suspect as scum attempting to remain active without actually contributing.
Portraying me as trying to get a fast lynch in, when I was just pushing the first bandwagon I could a little bit higher than the rest to spur discussion.Nameless in 78 wrote:charter wrote:It was the first wagon I could get to three votes.FOS: CharterMindlessly joining any bandwagon that comes along doesn't help without addressing specific issues, and the threat of lynching is meaningless if you don't really suspect them.
Setting himself up to be on the Spyrex and Stormer wagons. We're up to four people he suspects now.Nameless in 106 wrote:Stormer is 'obvscum', but if he gets quick lynched when we still have plenty of D1 left to gather information on others I, for one, will be a little bit annoyed even if he IS newbie scum. (Alternatively, stormer is newbie cop 'cunningly' diverting the scum's attention elsewhere. Stormer, don't reply to that.)
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Now Watching Suspiciously: Spyrex. All you've done thus far is echo things other people have brought up (ie. Rishi and stormer wagon) or focus overly much on OOT discussion.
Kind of directing unwarrented (in my opinion) suspicion at stef.Nameless in 111 wrote:#94 by stef could easily be considered unnecessary given I'd asked the same question and (more lightheartedly) commented on the same refusal in the previous post.
He's setting himself up to hop on the Rishi wagon. This is the fourth person he's done this to.Nameless in 127 wrote:
Hmm, Rishi is attracting my suspicion. But would a scum partner really use such blatant WIFOM?Rishi wrote:Yikes, stormer is scaring me. But would scum really be this obvious?
(Yes. Yes, they would.)
Playing both sides of the stormer issue, so he's ready to switch to whichever gains favor.Nameless 174 wrote:Also, attention seems to have moved casually away from stormer in this last page without any further defence by him. This may be indicative that stormer actually IS scum ... if he were merely clueless innocent, I would have expected the scum to be pushing harder for his lynch than has been done. However, if stormer is scum, it would go some way as to explaining why we're suddenly arguing again over an older issue.
Stef has been officially upgraded to possible scum. The total count is six now (stormer, Rishi, stef, spyrex, charter, and Kmd). Could be seven, he could have suspected camn, but I might have missed it under everyone else.Nameless in 180 wrote:Theory (ie. gut-tell): Either Kmd and Steff are both poorly thinking innocents or they are both scum heavily bussing each other with whatever they can think of. Somehow I can't quite get my head around the fact that either of them could be entirely in the right ...
I must have missed where he first started suspecting Food (I didn't, he only mentions Food in passing really). Regardless, it looks like he still does, that's number seven.Nameless in 209 wrote:Regarding melikefood, his last post has changed my opinion of him; at first I suspected he was scum and was preparing to push for his lynch, maybe a week before deadline, if nothing else took - now, however, I am forced to assume melikefood is a troll. Or a goddamn jester.
Dang, he saved me the trouble of finding all those posts. I don't think you realize there aren't five scum in a mini.Nameless in 222 wrote:Melikesfood and Stormer need to die. And they're probably scum too.
Kmd and Malyss, as of now, are most likely to be scum.
Charter needs to start contributing, and may well be lurker scum.
## Vote: melikesfood
I wanted to do this a while back, but I couldn't very well pressure Rishi to post something if I had. My reasons - He constantly makes little posts saying how he suspects someone when they're coming under a little suspicion. He tries to find out which way the wind is blowing constantly (aka. wishy washy on his stances. hello camn). Has managed to name five people as almost definitive scum, I'd agree with maybe one of those assessments at most. Despite naming all these as scum, he also has some posts where he can go back tomorrow after a mislynch, and quote saying how he wasn't sure they were scum. He's being very quick to jump on people, and is being opportunistic.
##unvote Rishi, ##vote nameless
Along with this comes suspicion towards Drake and Porkens, because you are the two that he didn't suspect.-
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You're digging too deep into what I'm saying. But if nameless does get lynched today, and is scum, I will without a doubt be much more suspicious of Drake and Porkens.
Also, my case against him is not OMGUS, as the points are from the entire game. Also, he named half the people as scum in that post. That was also my first wholly original post this game I believe, it just happens to be a coincidence that I was one of the chosen scum in his post. (Also, like I said, I wanted to post it much earlier, but was waiting on Rishi).-
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I absolutely will not advocate a Food lynch today (unless something new comes up). I will go back and look at the stormer case and see if there's any merit besides the cop fishing. I don't like how you are limiting the options for today to between two people, one of which I firmly believe is town.SpyreX wrote:I'm really not seeing a Nameless lynch today off of that. Stormer AND Melikefood have both been a little more off-cuff. You're gonna need more to persuade me than agressive finger-pointing by Nameless.
Nameless is basically confirming my points against him, so I'm quite happy with my vote there.
Perhaps I missed it, but did you ever say you weren't suspicious of them anymore? I didn't see it, so that led me to believe that you still are. You just kept on fingering others.Nameless wrote:Oh, and I like the way you assume that if I made a minor point against somebody early D1 that I must therefore still consider them a very likely suspect now (see: your 'suspect count').
It's absolutely ridiculous to have the scum all pinned down this early in day one. You can't possibly know anyone else's role (if you're town, which you claim) so for you to have 'found' all the scum already, is quite absurd.Nameless wrote:
The five I mentioned are the five players I currently suspect the most of being scum (hardly, as you say, "almost definitive") Obviously they're not all scum (unless LG is really evil, anyway ) but I expect most (ideally all) of the scum to be within that group.charter wrote:I don't think you realize there aren't five scum in a mini.
Malyss perhaps. I haven't looked too hard at him or stormer though. I'm not scum. I don't think Food is, as I've said. Also, Kmd seems to be hunting for scum rather than piling on to the easy wagon (Food) and is giving me a strong town vibe.Nameless wrote:
Go on then ... which one?charter wrote:I'd agree with maybe one of those assessments at most
I think that's a strong possibility, however, it's meaningless until I know nameless's role.DraketheFake wrote:charter wrote:Along with this comes suspicion towards Drake and Porkens, because you are the two that he didn't suspect.
So then you expect that Nameless, as scum, has made the newbie-ish mistake of fingering everybody in this game except for his two scum buddies?-
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I played in Ramen mafia with him and this is like a mirror of his play. He was town there. He also had a pretty ridiculous claim picture there. Also, I don't think he's done anything scummy or opportunistic. I'll agree that claiming out of the blue generally isn't helpful to the town, but as long as he's not the doc or cop, I don't think it's harmful. There are some roles that are good to make out of the blue claims, ask camn about it.-
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Are you serious? So now my only option is thinking that Food is scum? Do I have no free will to think what I want? I don't think I even need nameless to flip scum before I make a case on you, I'll do next chance I get. Pending the reread, I'll be willing to vote either Drake or keep it on nameless, whichever I can get more support for.
I'd say drake is obvscum for his blatent not even considering the other side of this issue, and in fact, trying to get others to blindly follow him without thinking for themselves. There's no law saying I have to agree with everyone, and I'm not going to on this issue.-
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LOL, obvBLATENT LIES.Nameless wrote:
LOL, obvOMGUS.charter wrote:... I'll be willing to vote either Drake ...
Seriously? He hasn't pointed suspicion at me. He's trying to tell me that I have no choice but to conform to what he wants. That's scumlogic. You are clearly just saying whatever you can to shift blame off you, meaning I'm on to something. Nice.-
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Ugh, simulpost. This post is crap.
I believe food to be town because of meta reasons and I don't think scum would claim like he did. I know for a fact there are protown reasons to claim like that, and he might have them. I'm not discussing it, because then it will be worthless, so don't ask.DraketheFake wrote:
Clever.charter wrote:Are you serious? So now my only option is thinking that Food is scum? Do I have no free will to think what I want? I don't think I even need nameless to flip scum before I make a case on you, I'll do next chance I get. Pending the reread,I'll be willing to vote either Drake or keep it on nameless, whichever I can get more support for.
I'd say drake is obvscum for his blatent not even considering the other side of this issue, and in fact, trying to get others to blindly follow him without thinking for themselves. There's no law saying I have to agree with everyone, and I'm not going to on this issue.
There's certainly no law saying you have to agree with everyone, and your options are certainly open as to whoever you think is suspicious or otherwise. But when you make those known, it's generally pretty good to have some in-game evidence to support your conclusions instead of "This player played this way in this game." You haven't said anything about Food's actions in this game except that you thought his clamed was oddly timed and that you didn't find his actions scummy or opportunistic, but that's a pretty easy catch-all considering there have been some pretty specific accusations.
Why can't you accept my read on Food? Why can't I think him town?Drake wrote:Incidentally, you're completely misrepresenting me in your second paragraph and I don't think anybody else is going to fall for that interpretation of what I said. Your case against Nameless is similarly full of it, considering that you yourself are fingering people just for not being mentioned by him - something you admit is meaningless until you know Nameless's alignment - which is the main thing you accuse him of.
No. First off, I'm not pursuing anyone single mindedly, and I'm not telling others they need to think the same as me. You can post lies, but you can't back them up, so it will be easy for me to keep shooting them down.Drake wrote:Also: The bolded section makes you look like exactly what you're accusing me of: pursuing somebody single-mindedly and trying to get others to follow blindly.-
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I think it's quite obvious I defended him, why? I think the wagon on him is unwarrented and scumheavy. Like I said, there are valid reasons to act like he is, and after the last game I was in, I'm not ruling anything out. I'm not trying to prove any of that, but it's my reasons why I'm defending him.SpyreX wrote:Charter is defending melikefood. Period. I do not like thisregardless of melikefoods alignment.
Amazingly I agree with everything in 279.
Good luck with that one. You have at most one scum there.nameless wrote:Charter - Kmd - Stormer scumteam FTW.-
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I really haven't seen a whole lot that porkens has done that was scummy (though I can go back and check I suppose). The hammer was a little premature (aka, before a claim) but the stormer lynch was inevitable. I've already made my case against you, you're still the scummiest person by far in my eyes, for reasons I pointed out yesterday.
While my posts may have been short, they are certainly not 'noncontributing'.-
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I have other suspects, but none of them are all that good. I don't really see the need to pursue three people all at once when we're only lynching one each day. All it does is lets the townies know where I stand on everyone, which I think is more beneficial to the townies than the rest of my fellow mafiosos, hence why I'm not anxious to post an analysis of every player.
Also, Food, do not answer any questions pertaining to any ability you might have unless it's in our (uninformed majority's) interest. It'd be a shame if such a blatent baiting actually worked.-
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I actually said nothing about Porkens at the start of day two.SpyreX wrote:I've got a whole bunch of wow AGAIN.
So, the events of day 2 (with a short visit to day 1), in a nutshell. Let me know if I miss anything.
1. KMD, Melikefood & Charter start on Porkens about the hammer.
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Ack, didn't realize it'd been ages since I posted here. If I forgot to respond to one of your posts/questions, let me know, I just missed it.
Here's some more incosistancies, no idea if someone has already pointed them out or not (have to catch up on the last few pages). This may not be all, but it's what I get off the top of my head (quite a few).
No, Porkens goes rolefishing towards Food.SpyreX wrote:4. Porkens softclaims claims a power role.
Quite true.spy wrote:6. Charter gleefly declares he has one suspect and votes him.
This is probably more of a matter of opinion, but I'm not being lazy. I've already explained why I'm not giving every thought I have about everyone. The opinions I've formed are all there, if someone wonders where I stand or what I think on something, ask, and I will tell.spy wrote:15. Charter says that he's going to be lazy & tells one of the openly known PR's to not share information because its baiting.
This is the best thing brought up today.Kmd4390 wrote:
It's not so much Camn being on the wagon that bothers me. It's the fact that she was on it AS A PRESSURE VOTE AND WAS OK WITH LYNCHING AND THEN COMES OUT AND GOES AFTER PORKENS FOR HAMMERING. Seriously, if you say you are ok with a lynch, be ok with it after it happens. The reasoning (pressure vote) was bad enough, but this just makes it worse.SpyreX wrote: 2. KMD goes after Camn about saying #1 but being on the wagon.
More role fishing.camn wrote:Second... Why is melikefood alive? Food.. If you ARE a roleblocker.. and the mafia DOES have a choice in who executes kills at night.... telling them who you are going to block defeats the whole purpose. Don't do it any more. Don't even drop hints.
@Nameless, can you please state your reasons for voting kmd in 365.
@Stef, can you please state your reasons for voting camn in 366.
Just ask for everyone to speculate for you so you know what they will think tonight as well. No need to shroud it by attempting to look useful.rishi wrote:As camn said, I'm curious about why the townscum didn't kill melikefood. The scum probably didn't think it was a big deal that he was blocking Porkens.
Porkens in 378, 380. People get lynched over less than that.
Nameless in 387, doesn't answer Porken's questions (ridiculous though they were). Scummy because I do that when I'm scum.
@Porkens in 394, that post is a load of crap. You've never seen an obvious mislynch and been powerless to stop it? I see them all the time.
Still not a good person to lynch today.kmd wrote:What does everyone think of Food now?
Nameless is grasping at thin air to put together a case against kmd in 415.
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Ehh, I haven't seen much that connects scum together, but independantly Nameless is number one, I'm still saying Porkens is number two, and three is basically a toss up between rishi or camn.Kmd4390 wrote:
But there is obviously more than one scum. Who would be most likely to be the others?charter wrote:
Quite true.spy wrote:6. Charter gleefly declares he has one suspect and votes him.
I don't see this as scummy. He's not waving it around saying "I was right yesterday, listen to me today!"Porkens wrote:
Give me a break. He didn't try to stop it. He was setting himself up to look right when Stormer flipped mafioso.Charter wrote:@Porkens in 394, that post is a load of crap. You've never seen an obvious mislynch and been powerless to stop it? I see them all the time.
Ha, there is plenty more information to get. I can think of several roles that have been in games I've been in that a claim like food's on day one could actually be (and he would be telling the truth as well).porkens wrote:As for your multiple declarations of role-fishing, melikefood already hard-claimed. How the hell can you rolefish someone who has told you what their role is? What further information, other than what I asked for, do you think I was trying to get??-
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I don't see a reason a protown player is as interested in Food's role as Porkens is. Since I can see we aren't going to drop this, I'm just going to do an extremely unhelpful thing and post why Food's claim is far from a full claim, it's a soft claim at best. First, he could be a roleblocker, could be a jailer, could be a one shot of either of those, could be a jack of all trades, could be a few others.SpyreX wrote:
I'm assuming this is the inconsistencies in my post. So lets get started!Charter wrote: No, Porkens goes rolefishing towards Food.
a.) Day one MLF claims Roleblocker.
b.) He also states he's going to RB Porkens in twilight.
c.) Porkens asks if MLF RB'd him.
NOW, these things all happened. Where we run into a difference in opinion in the implication of c.
I assumed that it was: Porkens asks if MLF RB'd him (because he was a power role and his action didn't go through).
Porkens said it was: Porkens asks if MLF RB'd him (so that later it is documented and if MLF is scum he can't lie about it).
You say I misinterpet it because Porkens is.... rolefishing? On a role that already claimed? And SAID what they were going to do?
About his claim in twilight, "you're getting teh morphine tonight" is far from a claim that Food will roleblock Porkens...
Porken's question. It's true, porkens could be a PR and his action didn't go through. However, if that's true, porkens would know this and wouldn't even need to ask. The fact that he does ask makes me think he's scum looking for threats. Basically, town (uniformed majority) has no motive to ask a question like he did.
Are you serious? Are you even reading this thread? I've posted my reasons for thinking Nameless is scum. They aren't convincing anybody, but that doesn't mean they are wrong.spy wrote:So, here you say you have suspects but you're not going to pursue them. Instead, you're focusing on your one suspect without really giving a case and then doing nothing.
Possible, yes. Also possible, I list three people as scum, none of them are actually scum. Guess who's going to live tonight? Yep, charter sure will, and I'll be free to lynch any one of them tomorrow.spy wrote:Also, you don't see how its beneficial to post your stances on people and be proactive instead of waiting for people to ask you and responding. You don't see how that "not scumhunting" is easily taken as being.. scummy?
Oh, you know what he's claimed? I've seen a picture with a circle around the word block. That's all I've seen really, the rest have been vague, at best, references to a half dozen other PRs. Talking about power role's actions completely negates them.spy wrote:
Again, as awesome as it is to watch you do it over and over again... it can not be fishing when the fish is already caught FFS. We know what he's claimed, he SAID what he was going to do. You said Camn's telling MLF to NOT ANNOUNCE HIS ROLEBLOCK BECAUSE THAT IS RETARDED (one of the most town things Camn has done) is rolefishing? I... I...charter wrote: More role fishing.
Oh, didn't see the part of Kmd's question asking for my reasons for suspecting them. Oh, it wasn't there. Are you asking for reasons I suspect them? This isn't a case or anything, but I feel like Porkens is trying to cover his tracks after he hammered yesterday. I also think he's trying to fish for roles, which I don't find in the interest of the town. Rishi, I'm getting scum vibes from him and camn I get the feeling that she wants everyone to like her, and not find her suspicious.spy wrote:
Suspects? Check.charter wrote: Ehh, I haven't seen much that connects scum together, but independantly Nameless is number one, I'm still saying Porkens is number two, and three is basically a toss up between rishi or camn.
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Sorry I'm not posting. People are making monster posts responding to every single comment and I just don't have the stamina to keep going through them.
This also goes in order of posts from about four or five pages ago.
@Spyrex, I'm not going to argue Food's claim anymore, I simply disagree. Informing the majority also further informs the minority as well, which I hesitate to do. Obviously it's unavoidable, but limiting how much you tell scum is useful.
That's why they're vibes, it's not anything solid.spy wrote:Why are you getting scum vibes from Rishi?
Because I feel scum have more reason to want everyone to like them.spy wrote:Why, inherently, is wanting everyone to like you scummy?
Yeah, you best hope I don't get to L-1 then if you plan on making it far in this game.spy wrote:if a wagon formed on you I'd hammer you so fast it'd make the Porkens hammer look like it was in slow motion.
Porkens is scum, believe me or don't but this right here is him knowing the two are not connected in (scum) alignment. I'm not trying to convince anyone that Porkens is scum (with this point) so save your breath from saying I'm OMGUSing or using craplogic.porkens wrote:This morning, and moreso now, I suspect that Camn and KmD are scumbuddies who are playfighting. Especially since the whole, two-way, "Don't tie my alignment to his/her's."
##unvote, ##vote porkens
Yes, they are too long. However, you are strawmanning here. Long posts don't make you scum.nameless wrote:On a related note, a question to everybody who isn't Kmd: Does anybody else get the feeling Kmd is padding a lot of his posts with obvious, repetitious and/or unnecessary statements, replies and questions?
I felt you were acting unhelpful, but I didn't (and still don't) see any scum motives behind what you did day one. I felt you would be an obvious mislynch day one and didn't want to go that route.food wrote:You defended me when I was acting really scummy on day 1.
The fact that porkens and camn said more than "I wanted him lynched, I felt he was scum" makes me think they overreacted. I don't generally see townies care at all about a mislynch they're on. Overly concerned was the wrong term.melikefood wrote:And this thing...
I don't really see Camn or Porkens being worried about lynching stormer.Ugh, to elaborate on why I'm suspicious of camn and Porkens. Both seem to be quite worried that they had a hand in lynching a townie. I didn't think stormer was scum, but that doesn't mean that his lynch was a bad one. They seem to be overly concerned with how they look because of it.
Where did you get that?
I'm now thinking rishi is town. Scum are Porkens, nameless, camn in that order.
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Setting himself up to be on Kmd's wagon if it becomes popular.Nameless in 62 wrote:It may be too soon to judge, but if this trend continues I'd consider Kmd highly suspect as scum attempting to remain active without actually contributing.
Portraying me as trying to get a fast lynch in, when I was just pushing the first bandwagon I could a little bit higher than the rest to spur discussion.Nameless in 78 wrote:charter wrote:It was the first wagon I could get to three votes.FOS: CharterMindlessly joining any bandwagon that comes along doesn't help without addressing specific issues, and the threat of lynching is meaningless if you don't really suspect them.
Setting himself up to be on the Spyrex and Stormer wagons. We're up to four people he suspects now.Nameless in 106 wrote:Stormer is 'obvscum', but if he gets quick lynched when we still have plenty of D1 left to gather information on others I, for one, will be a little bit annoyed even if he IS newbie scum. (Alternatively, stormer is newbie cop 'cunningly' diverting the scum's attention elsewhere. Stormer, don't reply to that.)
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Now Watching Suspiciously: Spyrex. All you've done thus far is echo things other people have brought up (ie. Rishi and stormer wagon) or focus overly much on OOT discussion.
Kind of directing unwarrented (in my opinion) suspicion at stef.Nameless in 111 wrote:#94 by stef could easily be considered unnecessary given I'd asked the same question and (more lightheartedly) commented on the same refusal in the previous post.
He's setting himself up to hop on the Rishi wagon. This is the fourth person he's done this to.Nameless in 127 wrote:
Hmm, Rishi is attracting my suspicion. But would a scum partner really use such blatant WIFOM?Rishi wrote:Yikes, stormer is scaring me. But would scum really be this obvious?
(Yes. Yes, they would.)
Playing both sides of the stormer issue, so he's ready to switch to whichever gains favor.Nameless 174 wrote:Also, attention seems to have moved casually away from stormer in this last page without any further defence by him. This may be indicative that stormer actually IS scum ... if he were merely clueless innocent, I would have expected the scum to be pushing harder for his lynch than has been done. However, if stormer is scum, it would go some way as to explaining why we're suddenly arguing again over an older issue.
Stef has been officially upgraded to possible scum. The total count is six now (stormer, Rishi, stef, spyrex, charter, and Kmd). Could be seven, he could have suspected camn, but I might have missed it under everyone else.Nameless in 180 wrote:Theory (ie. gut-tell): Either Kmd and Steff are both poorly thinking innocents or they are both scum heavily bussing each other with whatever they can think of. Somehow I can't quite get my head around the fact that either of them could be entirely in the right ...
I must have missed where he first started suspecting Food (I didn't, he only mentions Food in passing really). Regardless, it looks like he still does, that's number seven.Nameless in 209 wrote:Regarding melikefood, his last post has changed my opinion of him; at first I suspected he was scum and was preparing to push for his lynch, maybe a week before deadline, if nothing else took - now, however, I am forced to assume melikefood is a troll. Or a goddamn jester.
Dang, he saved me the trouble of finding all those posts. I don't think you realize there aren't five scum in a mini.Nameless in 222 wrote:Melikesfood and Stormer need to die. And they're probably scum too.
Kmd and Malyss, as of now, are most likely to be scum.
Charter needs to start contributing, and may well be lurker scum.
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I wanted to do this a while back, but I couldn't very well pressure Rishi to post something if I had. My reasons - He constantly makes little posts saying how he suspects someone when they're coming under a little suspicion. He tries to find out which way the wind is blowing constantly (aka. wishy washy on his stances. hello camn). Has managed to name five people as almost definitive scum, I'd agree with maybe one of those assessments at most. Despite naming all these as scum, he also has some posts where he can go back tomorrow after a mislynch, and quote saying how he wasn't sure they were scum. He's being very quick to jump on people, and is being opportunistic.
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You're twisting everything I say to make me look bad. The sad part is I actually think you think you're on to something. I can tell you that you're horribly wrong in almost your entire read of this game, but that probably won't help matters.
If you're just going to do this, I'll stop responding to anything you direct at me. You clearly think you're the cleverest one here, but you're not, please stop being so arrogant.
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You of all people should know that when I quote massive posts of my cases it is not indictitive of me being scum. The summary is that he suspects people after they say something questionable without regard of thinking if they said it because they are scum, or they are town and just aren't thinking. As scum, you have to jump on townies when they make mistakes, and I think that that's all he's doing.camn wrote:SO your case on Nameless is the fact that, on Day 1, he spread a lot of suspicion around? (though I wish YOU would sum it up...)
And your case on Porkens is.......?
Porken's saying that you and kmd are scum putting up a huge facade is the wildest and most untrue thing I've seen said this whole game. However, I can see how most people might buy in to it (except you and kmd). Also, I'm going back to Nameless's suspecting everyone but porkens and drake. I still think Nameless is scum, and I still think porkens was omitted for a reason (because they are scumbuddies). Porken's quickhammer was not protown.
You know I cant answer this right now.spy wrote:I'm onto something but horribly wrong in my entire read of the game? What am I wrong on and more importantly.. WHY do you think so?
I think KMD's 'gambit' while flawed, has some merit. I don't think it's enough to tunnel in on camn on, but I don't think it's a point in camn's favor either.spy wrote:I like to look at the A, B, C leading to D. I will fight about points of the logic because, really, twisting logic or not having it are excellent slide-by tools for scum.
This is why I took such umbrage with "The Gambit" KMD did - I think he's smart enough to know better, but he's still pushing it as solid logic.
This is why I'm doing this with you too - I've asked for a solid formulated case on Nameless when you had it there (so we could discuss it) and you FINALLY gave it...after you voted for Porkens. See why its not making sense to me?
My case on Nameless came from day one. I obviously still think it holds true. However, as I've said, I believe porkens' kmd-camn statement is the scummiest thing said this game.
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The post where I requoted it was my first post in this game in pages. I told you already, it took so long because this game has really put me off. I gave you the case because you asked, and I voted porkens because I think he's scum. I don't understand what doesn't make sense to you.SpyreX wrote:This is why I'm doing this with you too - I've asked for a solid formulated case on Nameless when you had it there (so we could discuss it) and you FINALLY gave it...after you voted for Porkens. See why its not making sense to me?
Post 485. I also don't understand what there is to explain and why you're so interested in my thoughts on Rishi. I had gotten scum vibes from Rishi a while ago, and that post cleared them up. I think that it was a post made by a townie (uninfor. maj.), not scum.spy wrote:
What post and why? Explain these statements, please.I told you, that's cronological. I said I had scum vibes on rishi, what, six pages ago? On the last page he had a post that makes me think he's town.
So how is it scummy to make long posts with a poor content/useless fluff ratio?Nameless wrote:
Length isn't the problem, it's the comparatively minimal content within it that's somewhat scummy and moreso annoying with Kmd's posts.charter wrote:Yes, they are too long. However, you are strawmanning here. Long posts don't make you scum.
A campaign? I didn't keep hounding you over trivialities, but made my case, no one else thought it had merit, which is fine. I'm not about to go and make up reasons you're scum to try and win them over.nameless wrote:
I like that after your long and unsuccessful campaign to have me lynched you finally shift your vote to someone else on the basis of an 'argument' that you admit isn't convincing anyone. Good luck with that.charter wrote:Scum are Porkens, nameless, camn in that order.
Also, no need to take things not even directed at you nameless and try and turn them into attacks against me. It's not going to work.
False, what if stormer was a cop or doc? It is most definately not a null tell. I'm not going to argue this either, if you don't see this it's clearly a matter of opinion of which neither of us will budge.spy wrote:Porkens quickhammer was not protown. However, it also wasn't anti-town. It was null. 100% null.
I'm not just looking for scumtells and immediately assuming that person is scum. I've seen scumtells from everyone in this game (myself easily included) but that doesn't make them scum. I already told you that I look for which actions benefit scum and which do not. I then base my suspicions off of who is doing the scummy actions that benefit scum. I think it's fairly obvious that I think that you're not doing much in this game that benefits scum and nameless and porkens are.spy wrote:But, why does this get me. Lets look at it.
- You're accusing nameless of being scum and spreading suspicion around.
- You're voting for Porkens saying that kmd and camn are putting up a huge facade.
- You're saying nameless suspected everyone but Porkens and Drake.
(Aside from none of these being scumtells to me)...
I have done EVERY one of the above. I was the one who first brought up the kmd-camn business as a scum ploy. I made it very clear day one that I suspected everyone but, essentially, Porkens, Drake and Nameless. I put suspicion on every player in this game.
Moreso, I've been far more vocal about it.
I think they are scum and you are not. Their actions are different than yours. If you actually think that, I'm sorry, but once again, you are wrong.spy wrote:So, Why Porkens or Nameless and not me? Its not adding up and, honestly, it really makes it feel like you're not even trying to hunt.
If I played the exact same in every game I'd be a pretty poor mafia player. I've already explained, but here it is again. This game with it's massive posts puts me off and I just don't put as much effort into it as I have with others.camn wrote:I think that if you actually thought Nameless was scum, you would ride his a$$ at every opportunity. you would twist everything HE says into making him look bad. But no, this game you are almost being....nice! And I don't like it. It is suspicious to me. You are going WAY too easy on him AND porkens to convince me you actually think they are scum, which makes me think you know who the scum actually are... ergo, you are scum.
Also, your 'I'm not twisting what they say to make them look bad so I must be scum' is scumlogic.
One quickhammer is bad. Two is unforgivable.kmd wrote:Charter, clarification please?-
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Why would doing this make me scum? Hint, it doesn't.SpyreX wrote:You gave a case on Nameless and nothing really on Porkens -- in fact, some of it as you have said is the connection you see between Nameless and Porkens. Yet you vote Porkens over Nameless.
You are tunneling so bad it's not even funny. How many people are we up to that am I scum with now? Seriously, you're doing the same thing as Nameless where you're finding more scum than there are. Guess what the explanations is, they aren't all scum.spy wrote:Why am I interested? Because I think there's a decent chance you are both scum together. The fact that you'd cite 485 (where he accuses me of tunnel visioning) as the pro-town post is just flabbergasting, honestly.
It's unhelpful, but I don't see any scum motive behind posting obvious fluff. Perhaps if that's all kmd was doing, but it's not. The explanation I was given as to why you guys think it's scummy the first time around was crap as well.spy wrote:Really?
This is all crap too. You're assuming nothing happened to him in real life, he didn't also find this game a drag, a million other things. Just because you have a power role doesn't mean you have to play cautiously. Having a power role doesn't affect your play.spy wrote:Pressure coming on, not claiming. In fact, he mostly lurked or came out with nothing. I see nothing wrong with moving on versus stalling the game. If he was the cop or doc I'd have been pissed - because having power role != playing like a crazy person.
Of course they are going to buddy up to you. You're also going to keep making it through the night. Night after night, because you are wrong and you have tunneled in on the wrong people.spy wrote:Again, the actions you have cited as your case on both of the above have also been done by me. I do not understand how the same set of actions makes me town and them not. In fact, the self-same actions are part of the reason I think THEY are town as well as me.
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You read wrong, it was what I said. The theory that camn and kmd are scumbuddies putting on a huge show is completely ridiculous.Porkens wrote:Ok, charter, I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to say then; honestly.
This is what I'm talking about:
Connections
I read this as 'trying to identify a connection between KMD and Camn is scummy.'Charter wrote: Porken's saying that you and kmd are scum putting up a huge facade is the wildest and most untrue thing I've seen said this whole game. However, I can see how most people might buy in to it (except you and kmd).
Once again, you're not reading what I'm saying, you're reading what you want to read. I made a connection between nameless and porkens, and I made a connection between nameless and drake. I didn't make any assumptions between drake and porkens. The fact that you are now suggesting that makes me oh so much happier with my vote.Porkens wrote:But in the same post:
I read this as 'Porkens and Drake are connected.'Charter wrote:Also, I'm going back to Nameless's suspecting everyone but porkens and drake. I still think Nameless is scum, and I still think porkens was omitted for a reason (because they are scumbuddies). Porken's quickhammer was not protown.
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I believe this was in response to me saying "I think at least one of KMD or Camn is scum."Charter at the beginning of day 2 wrote: Porkens is scum, believe me or don't butthis right here is him knowing the two are not connected in (scum) alignment.This is ridiculousI bolded so someone might read this. Porkens is now just making up crap out of nothing. IF YOU HAD READ MY POST THAT YOU QUOTED, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN ONE LINE UP WHERE IT WAS YOUR CAMN-KMD SCUMBUDDY SHOW THEORY THAT IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO. I don't recall you ever saying at least one of kmd-camn is scum, you've always had them together. Seriously people, Porkens is scum trying to change his story because he's under suspicion.
Because no townie would ever put forth such a preposterous theory.Porkens wrote:How does that give you the idea that Iknowthey arenotconnected?
Stop trying to tell me what my posts are. If I was giving up I'd just get replaced. I realized that others might not see how scummy your kmd-camn idea is and might not agree with it. So what do I do? I look for other stuff that they will agree with.Porkens wrote:While we are at it; I guess I really don't get this next one, either:
So...I don't know man. Are you just really frustrated with the game? This one seems to be a 'giving up' post.charter wrote:I'm not trying to convince anyone that Porkens is scum (with this point) so save your breath from saying I'm OMGUSing or using craplogic.
No, your putting forth the idea that kmd and camn are scum putting on a show is what I'm "demonizing" you for. The fact that both you and Nameless got so worked up about it, and then attacked me for 'doing the same thing' when it's clearly a different scenario reaffirms that I'm right.Porkens wrote:1.With the one hand you are drawing a line from Nameless to myself while, with the other hand, you are demonizing me for doing the same thing with KmD and Camn.
Can't, which I've already said, so why do you keep pushing it?Porkens wrote:2.You're happy to tell people they are wrong, but don't want/can't explain why.
I try not to even acknowledge crap cases put out against me, however, I see I'm fairly close to being lynched, so I might have to start shooting them down.Porkens wrote:3.Rather than discuss your points, when questioned, you are overly defensive and tell people "OMFG YOUR NOT EVEN READING."
Then start reading what I actually write instead of what you want to read.Porkens wrote:Trust me, I am reading your posts, and I want to understand what you mean. I'm not attacking you for crap logic; I don't understand what logic you are using.
Good work with your quoting me out of context and adding your personal timestamp to my posts as well. I suggest if anyone else is going to read anything porken's writes, go back and check to make sure he's telling the full story, I doubt he is. As he isn't in this case as well.-
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You people are such freaking idiots. Stef or Rishi or someone else could come by and accidently hammer.I'm a mason, kmd is my buddy. We're both mod confirmed mafioso's (uninformed majority).
I seriously can't believe it got this far.
Mason CharterKmd4390 in post 22 wrote:My Yankees are my team.Anyone who attacks them attacks me.Sorry if this comes off as rude.Only opinions...Now let's play some mafia.
Camn has already earned my joke vote.How?Anti-Yankee comments contributed of course.Random confusion started it though.Town being bad???
Evil confusing setup.Random vote is staying until something actually happens.
Seriously, unvote now before someone hammers, and I will commence explaining to spyrex why he is so very wrong and maybe you all should actually try and find scum instead of follow them like sheep.-
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Apologies, but I was really frustrated that myself or kmd picked up enough mafioso's voting us that we actually had to claim today. I felt like if we both lived to tomorrow, we could massclaim and easily win, but that's not going to happen anymore.
That's how I know porken's camn-kmd thing is so horribly wrong, that's why if it was an endgame with me, kmd, and porkens, I'd obviously vote porkens, that's why if you quickhammered me or kmd, you'd be lynched without mercy. That's why me and kmd have agreed without elaborating and why we've never even considered looking at the other.
You're wrong spyrex because two of your top three suspects are town and I've known it the whole game. That's why I just kept saying you're wrong, but I couldn't explain it without giving myself away. I don't think KMD's gambit can tell us much, but I know the reason he did it was to catch scum, so I at least have faith in his analysis of it (which is the main reason camn has been my backburner suspect most of the game). You kept pushing why I knew you were wrong, obviously I had some extra knowledge everyone else didn't, but you just pushed harder, until now, where me and kmd's roles are essentially worthless now. You have completely tunneled in on me and kmd and it has blinded you to listening to our arguments, which are actually pretty good.
Me and kmd didn't really have a chance to talk much N1 (and no time pregame) but he told me about his breadcrumb post, asked if I had his alignment mod confirmed too, said he was pretty sure stormer was town (the reason he was questioning those one it), his three scum night one were camn, nameless, and spyrex.
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No, that's the idea that scum would want to propose to the rest of the town in case they aren't sure how masons claim. If I claimed mason, that's the same as not claiming anything and the town would go right on and lynch a power role. Actually, I'm done arguing with you porkens. You've either lost your grip on reality (dreaming up a cult from masons) or are scum, and arguing with you is as useful as trying to eat a school bus. It's scum.
If I claimed as porken's suggested, I'd be lynched easily. He suggests the most half assed claim I've ever seen. The reason I presented my claim so strongly and swiftly is because I A) didn't need time to make anything up B) am telling the truth so I actually have lots of evidence and C) wanted to make sure I'm believed and force scum to NK us.-
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Also, If you are town (so not you porkens) you should at least keep me and kmd safe from a speedlynch (as porkens has already shown he's trigger happy). If you all actually have to lynch one of us to prove it (idiotic as scum will then NK the other) at least don't do it speedily. There's still a week left before deadline, of which Porkens is clearly the best choice.-
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Besides the fact that there's no way of balancing a cult in a mini, short of handing out Jesus like roles, it's not true because what if I actually was scum, then he wouldn't recruit me. Plus, why on earth would you have chosen your recruitee that early in day one?
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Same thing, but with Kmd.Kmd4390 wrote:Oh, and for those who say I was unclear about stormer, I have the following statement for you:
I AM 100% AGAINST A LYNCH OF CHARTER FOR ANY REASON. HE IS NOT SCUM (MINORITY) AND SHOULD NOT BE LYNCHED. I THINK THAT ANYONE VOTING HIM SHOULD UNVOTE NOW. I WOULD BE AGAINST ANY HAMMER OR VOTE OF ANY KIND ON CHARTER.-
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