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take your advice from 2 days ago and chill and come back

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so do we understand how frustrating it is to be on the other side of FL's catfight?

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it's embarrassing how much i fell for these

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yes koopa, Roden gets it. he's in the same camp.

talk to other people.

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unless Roden has changed his reads?

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And I’m learning to love lists… I have no idea why..

absolutely pocketed

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it's from trying to push myself to fairly read Leaf even though he's setting off red flags with everything he posts. His behavior is manipulative, and I recognize his gaslighting techniques from personal experience and can't really see him as town because of it.

mood

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on reading Leaf, I'm holding off until reading some of his games before I decide what to do there. you might want to do the same.

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I struggle to see a world here where mafia Flavor comes out and bats for mafia Mala so earnestly, which is essentially one of Koopa's main arguments here.

why not?

debunk FL's read on Malakittens
you can't.
it's the best way you can to defend a slot you are partnered with without having to justify yourself.
of course, the read comes into question when you ask FL to articulate how Malakittens could have designed the pocket — the answer will always be lacking because Malakittens was barely here.
of course, it's questionable for an experienced player like FL to be self-aware in their status as being pocketed and rolling with it
of course, FL is open to be taken out of the pocket
but of course, FL doesn't think mason claiming is inherently scummy even though there was no way for Malakittens to have been strongly townreading FL so much.
but of course, FL would disagree because he would say he has a town PM

this is really a positioning that you would expect from FL as scum, and you are just forced to look at the slot with paranoia because there's a vibe that his playstyle is just being scum whatever their role PM is. i've yet to confirm that, but italiano's remark (way back, forgot which post) hints to this.

im starting to realize why he's don corleone.

that's why we push Malakittens. a red Malakittens at least confirms this theory. (which FL can then debunk by saying he got pocketed >.>)

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i'm repeating the mason claim ad nauseum because i'm shocked how little people care

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I would much prefer, and it would benefit the Town overall, if you keep the theories as low to the initial base assumptions as humanly possible to avoid putting mental effort in forming these trees of arguments which would very likely crash down early game given how large the town pool is compared to scum.

i would even argue that these lines of thought, when used to case someone by "predicting" what scum!them would do at every step and then using that to wagon someone is scummy.

i only trust visceral gut feels that my townreads also feel.

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So you aren't eliminating mala bcuz you think they're scummy? Why not just elim FL directly

no, just why i prefer mala over FL. FL, there's always a "hmm but maybe". I feel strongly that the mason claim was scum-motivated (if FL is looking for an exact moment he was pocketed, it's this one right here). I want to build up a pressure on Mala's slot that they'd be forced to be active as soon as they return and spew as much as possible.

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Sorry can you reword this I don't understand.

oh jacksonvirgo is scum and their reaction will be A, B, C, D, E (even though these A, B, C, D, E can also have a town explanation)
i will use this now to push you.

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the only thing i trust is when i feel something about a post, and it's also felt by someone else.
if no one feels it, i will point everyone towards it and look at their reaction.
if my townreads dont feel it, maybe im just wrong

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theories like that not only hurt town, but help scum, and im backing it up

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i dont really know what you're talking about

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can you enlighten me

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can you enlighten me

I am only saying that I believe the path the the Town overall seems to be taking, including yourself, is foolish. Building up a tree of assumptions to make a case on somebody when someone scummy by nature exists is not a valid elimination. Take out a single assumption and the whole thing falls down. You seem to be reading both as scum, that claimed masonry with each other yes? That's what I've gotten from reading this context.

Take out the assumption that it means anything, because it could very well have just been a lolz moment. It then means nothing in terms of them being aligned at all. Take note of you thinking FL is trying to save scum!mala without doubling down. They've been doing the exact thing with me, I've asked people to comment on it to but nobody has to this exact second.

You are building an assumption tree and ignoring anything else that would counter it, also even if you weren't doing the latter, it is still a bad idea to go so high up in terms of case complexity so early in the game. I am not for either mala nor FL elimination until proven otherwise.

no assumption trees here.

im questioning why malakittens would have any town motivation claiming masons with FL there when 1.) i dont think the material to strongly townread FL exists, 2.) malakittens had limited interaction with the thread at that point in time so there was no way to gague if it was a joke, and 3.) it wasn't played like it was a joke. i seriously think it was designed to get a reaction from the town.

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I don't entirely disagree with your argument HEM that a Mala elimination might be useful in terms of giving us info as to who's pushed there and who's gone elsewhere, and I'd probably be okay to back you up on it if I didn't suspect you myself. I dunno, I still think NK15 is our best shout here, but while I fundamentally think mafia were on the Flavor wagon, I'm not at all convinced Roden is particularly suspect despite Flavor's misgivings.

it's just that... i really like my wagon yknow?

dont let me keep you from building that wagon if that's where you want to go.

i also think roden is town. i entertained roden pocketing me. that would only be useful to think about if i already think roden is scum, which i don't.

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Why would scum claim masons on day 1?

why would scum claim mason... let's forget about two scum... just think about one scum

to mason bait

fin

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My main concern re Mala is their general inactivity, especially given they are under pressure.

im willing to let that go because that timer's gonna run out, and he's gonna have to show himself up and tell us stories

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Also I keep feeling like everyone keeps silently dismissing my post about FL pocketing me and every time I bring it up. Can someone please respond to that, I am not in the right headspace to be able to gauge it correctly. Or at least tell me that you are not talking about it because it's meaningless, (and if it is, drop the Fl white-kniting mala argument)

give me that post number

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Is there any benefit for scum forcing a mason claim at that point in the game?

... yeah

... to force masons to claim

why are people not getting this

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Why have scum!FL being backing up scum!mala part of the discussion if two scum claiming masons is out of the question, because it is.

im not gonna shut up about things im thinking about if that's what you want me to do

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then say that, don't question the validity of the read.

let's say they were just lolling around
they made this decision knowing full well it can illicit mason/PR reaction (which it did)
why

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JV something's not clicking we're not on the same plane

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I think a wolf HEM is spewing NK15 as town in this scenario.
Speaking from a pre-flipped point of view.

This has absolutely nothing to do with what you said, but quoting it because it made me remember. I've been feeling that FL has been unnecessarily backing me up in everything in a way that seems to me unnatural and purposeful. I do not think they are scum but I am aware that town, including me, love to be town-read so I see it possible that my TL on them is based in that primarily and forcing me to ignore the slight red-flag of that pocket/white-knight and I would love some insight to see if I should continue to put that on the downlow and trust my soul or to follow that read to it's core and see where it lands.

haven't FL established that he likes pocketing people regardless. it's probably true.

he's only ever mean to people who disagree with him or those who scumread him.
notice he calls me monkey/HEM now

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i think it's me who's not in this plane

i am absolutely tired, hungry, sleep-deprived, malnourished, and beat-up from a long editing session

i still have to do this for up until 25

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go back to #540 to #571 and note the timing

that's not a joke at first, or at least it wasn't presented as such.

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Fl is town

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
Speak plainly.

Sure will.

I think Koopa's just pocketed by ScumHuman.

Can't make it plainer than that.

I do expect to be put into the position by scum, where one or two will probably push me, then the other(s) town read me, and try to get me to push through a townie to take the heat from it.

If I'm really looking for it, I can see a possible ScumKoopa TMI'ing a TownHuman, but Koopa's vote on to me is just super bad if scum because I definitely feel there's enough momentum to take Koopa out, but that also makes me think KoopaTown if I can see that in the gamestate already.

I am very hard to pocket. I do not believe that.

i'll believe it when i see it.

You seem easy to pocket at the moment.

The issue is I think you are trying to instigate right now rather than solve, and subtly pushing me in a way that can be backpedaled later.

me instigating is me solving.

I don't believe it's been subtle. I've left you open pretty loudly.

Can you link me to a game where you do something similar as town?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

i was April Ludgate, only game in the past year or so. might have had 1 more a while back, but cant remember.

This is for you Roden. Ill choose to give you half since Koopa asked for it. I was gonna just ignore your request.

Eat it up, cuz unless I'm trying to brag about a scum gambit or town epic solve, i probs wont link another due to lazy

i hate this game.

this game's pretty fun if you dont stress over reads too much. Day 1 never should overstress. Day 3+ yeah start to stress.

hah look it's another projection

he's pocketing koopa live!

@Koopa - look at me pocketing as town in that game as well.

can we stop 1v1ing my mason buddy

kthxbai

Cheers.do you think we could each have a piece of the solve btw?
I have scorpious and you have HEM?
I am going to consider we are clashing because we are on the right track in different directions.

I really don't think Scorpious is scum, and kinda would defend there even if I didnt scum read HEM. Check Scorpious out from that game I just linked. I started to town read him very strongly in the late game there.

It's possible, though, but I'm a mason so i have the different pov, obvi

oh right

UNVOTE: FL

it took tooooooo long.

also malakittens townreads FL, unstated read.
it was meant to give the impression that it was real.
a shame about the vote when he realized it.

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how about now

convinced yet?

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haters will say it was an obvious joke immediately and Malakittens was not building up to it.

maybe he'll eventually say it's a joke, maybe they would have double down if no one counter-claimed.

we won't know that.

i just know that malakittens' timing is too sus for it to be a town whose best interest is not to out their PRs.

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551 easily blends into 557[/postthey're scum that did not have malicious intent behind it.

can you imagine

I do not see happening when scum get their way outting a PR

why

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I can see shitty Town claiming a masonry with their town-read that's being wagoned. Regrettably done so in the past, off-site.

do you believe malakittens to be shitty town?

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Can you like not warp my words on purpose. At fucking all. Thanks

???

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where did i warp your words?

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of course i did, i wanted to quote a specific part of it

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why does that make me scum?

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oh okay

didn't mean to do that

but if you're gonna try and find any reason to vote me, please be my guest

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they're scum that did not have malicious intent behind it.

i meant to do this, to emphasize how absurd it is to say

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can you imagine scum not having malicious intent

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mhm

i wonder where this leads to

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I am very anal

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misprepresentation

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im going to sleep

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NK15 is very obviously just a townie blundering around

before i sleep tell me a good night story about why nk15 is a very obviously just a townie blundering around

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NK15 is very obviously just a townie blundering around

before i sleep tell me a good night story about why nk15 is a very obviously just a townie blundering around

Here's a thought: stop projecting

well thanks for the thought but your thought is useless to me because what i really need is a good night story

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koopa why is nk15 obvious town blundering around

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and why are you stopping me from doing my projects

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Read their fucking iso my guy.

spell it out for me im a monkey

ooo a a

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That's the most obscure game.

that's how you know someone's a true fan

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hi mala!

can you tell me what about FL's posting made you say FL is town from way back?

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what about the way he's engaging with people. or was his hyperposting enough for you to townread him?

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would you describe that for us

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see i know you can't substantiate why you townread FL from way back.

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there are a lot of people posting around the same time as you were, yet you were't townreading them.
prove me wrong and explain your read in depth.

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if koopa survives N1, i will automatically elim them even if they have a guilty.

if koopa is town, then that masonbaiting is wack as fuck.
dragging three conftowns into the fray just so he can reaffirm his solve.
Maybe MU trained him wrong on purpose as a joke.

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TIP #420
Think there are masons in the game? Call them out!

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speaking of, happy 420

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try 69 69 ayyyy

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Scorpious why are you much more pleasant in this game than the other one where you were town? Like I am charmed by you, and it's different.

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This game features the same hyperposters that you hated, and yet you're friendly somehow.

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That game you were an old grumpy grandpa who refuses to cooperate with anyone.

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you're not like trying to pocket people or anything haha

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you're also not voting anyone? why aren't you joining any wagons? what's your read on mala?

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dude just read the game or skim it it takes 5 minutes

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speed through it

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#1832 is Scorpious #1834 is MathBlade

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hey i'm really swamped

let's not rush an elim.

Andres you can catch up, we have time.

game-advancing content: Mala avoided our engagement, and didn't answer my question about their FL townread satisfactory. This is scum, and I don't know what happened that I'm the only one in here.

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v/la to 25

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v/la to 28 actually, but i'll dedicate an hour or less every day for catching up

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also, are people really scumreading me? let's change that.

nk15, your meta on me is lacking. check my games where i have a busy schedule and not constantly participating. also i'm not sure if i really did ask less questions here, but i can definitely tell you that it's not a reliable tell. check my wiki.
mathblade is scum for wanting my elim when he didn't even read the game. he's sheeping FL's read and FL townread me at the end. i'm willing for this one to be D1 elim.
koopa's probably just wanting to elim me because i hurt his feelings.

i'm willing to give Gamma a chance

Mala + Math + probably Scorpious are my D1 picks.

Scorpious is playing a very different game this time around even though it slightly mimics their townplay.
But I seriously just prefer Mala or Math here.

ask me anything. highlight it with @HEM so I'll control + F and I'll find it ASAP

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i haven't read through italiano's slot and i think they're playing an utr game. if we have time, i would be tempted to flashwagon to E-2 here just to give the gamestate some fresh urgent spin. let me know if anyone else is interested. (i have no time to convince anyone so if someone can champion me that would be swell)

kitty... depends on whether or not Scorpious is scum

JV is town. that is all. (;))

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EBWOP

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i have a busy schedule and not constantly participating

this is the reason i wanted to lurk this game btw, but i found that just being here and responding at my free time is better. "active lurking" but my schedule is so compacted that i probably just need to focus on my work.

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top town Malcolm, Roden, NK15

koopa is scum if he survives N1 and again, I will hound this slot if ever.

Andres needs to catch up.

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these reads aren't very final and it's probably gonna change, but i want to leave a legacy in case people flashwagon me and shit.

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not gonna join you limming a pr investigative on d1

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the koopa question gets answered soon

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hey i'm really swamped

let's not rush an elim.

Andres you can catch up, we have time.

game-advancing content: Mala avoided our engagement, and didn't answer my question about their FL townread satisfactory. This is scum, and I don't know what happened that I'm the only one in here.

bite me

a lot of it is tone + gut + knowing FL iRL

so I'm really sorry that it's not satisfactory to you, but it's good enough for me to go on with D1.

okay. now show us.

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alright, i need to put the phone away if i wanna keep my job so

see ya

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i think NK15 is only ever opportunistic if he did a comprehensive meta on me and still votes me tbh
i think the first switch up was completely natural
although, it escapes me why his reISO includes a lot of scumreads and just chooses to vote me

ANYWAY

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youre saying the quiet part out loud JV

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show posts that pings you duh

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I can’t get myself to believe both claims.

why?

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koopa, if you were town, and if it's indeed people are losing confidence about you, how do you think the mafia would manipulate a gamestate like this?

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i mean, if you're right, this is your only day and the only day for you to be effective

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koopa do you remember what i told you about being subtle

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can you quote no time to read back

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it's scummy, i agree with you

haven't you noticed i had FL as a consistent scumread of mine since early D1?

but there are valid doubts to that, im sure i already conveyed that too

although I'm willing to give Gamma a chance. he'll be caught up soon I think. we still have time.

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Mala keeps ignoring me btw all i need is some transparency in thought and apparently that's a luxury around here

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i think if you're town, koopa, you're either being encouraged by the scum or being set-up to have wrong legacy reads (since whoever you'll push isn't happening — especially if it's me)

nk15 could be scum here

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She did give it the other day - which is why people like NK15 and I flipped on her.

i missed it then

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i'll skim for evidence later but i think that's a valid theory

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Gamma is an FL alt confirmed

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we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

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this is why i'm afraid to take my eye out of the game because i might miss a slip i otherwise would have caught

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we're page 98 in a mini normal how will i ever re-read this shit

That's what ISOs are for.

this takes context out and inhibits a holistic assessment of the game and promotes a tunnel gameplay that i worked so hard to purge myself off

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The thing is - FL did provide reasons. He just didnt provide receipts for the reasons.

and he obfuscates them by revealing more "depth" and "intention" to them later and he reframes conversations at a snap of a finger

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but if you say that an attention-seeking mafia player is poor play, we already know that FL is very skilled. as evidence by how he runs circles on people during 1v1.

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I understand mafia can inherently be a very stressful and emotional game at times, but let's refrain from attacking people's characters. Attack the play, not the player.

Step away from the game thread if you need to.

Thank you!

I WONDER WHAT THIS COULD BE REFERRING TO

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Millers claim day 1. I suspect I am such role. I then claimed. Wasn't to do with wagon pressure.
We can solve me further later assuming I don't die.

I think both Scorp and Kitty are out of the wagon choices for today. Scorp if you had to pick someone outside of ur three suspicions (me, kit, poopa) who would it be.

Target me tonight.

is this pr bait

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if Mala has answered my question, can anyone quote it so i can see

please

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okay but has she referred to which posts pings her as town from tone?

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I’m not saying JV has to full claim today or even tomorrow, I just think him targeting me is a good way to resolve my slot potentially.

yes but them being a backup doesn't imply that they target people
you are trying to sus out if the role can target

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okay but has she referred to which posts pings her as town from tone?

Read her iso, it is short...

No.

my point exactly. this should be the easiest task, but she chooses it ignore doing so because no one else seems to be interested in backing me up here

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Welp, my parents decided to go apeshit at a simple question despite that being the behavior they’ve been TRYING TO ENCOURAGE FROM ME, so I don’t think I’m in the mood to play here for a bit.

GE we want you to know that we enjoy you around here, even if you're scum

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In the mean time I’ll just vote VOTE: Scorpious.

How has this been ignored? I don’t care if it’s me, whatever…

But isn’t this the type of thing Koopa has been jumping all over the entire game?

Like, this didn’t ping ANYONE?

i leaned town on it, very weak tho

scum would be self-aware to vote without any viable reason after so much has happened before having a catchup
he still votes and then promises to catch up later
which gives me a "dgaf" vibe, similar to how i read koopa's "dgaf" change of vote earlier in the game

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yes Malakittens, I see that.

but i just want you to play nice with me and quote FL's posts that you got town pings on, especially those before the statement you made that "FL is town".

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you mean to say people really dropped their Malakittens scumread without her explaining the FL townread?

NK15 and Roden, explain your shifts.

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you too KittyTacky

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like, she says it's "yeah it's gut" and someone that explains it all?

come on guys

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sorry koopa, help me here. how did GE townslip?

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GE can definitely fake that lmao

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in fact i think it was a pr bait

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in fact i think it was a pr bait

It could be trying to gauge what type of role I am a backup of.

exactly

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busted

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i knew some wacky shit was going on

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You're not as strong at 1v1ing as Dkkoba is.

Must suck for you trying to compare yourself up to Dkkoba.

> replaces out of the game

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you mean to say people really dropped their Malakittens scumread without her explaining the FL townread?

NK15 and Roden, explain your shifts.

It wasn't the reason for my scumread, I think. Lots of people were not explaining reads at that point.

okay so what was the reason remind me

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are you really trying to play bad as a playstyle

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then you're probably just scum

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I thought Mala had TMI on JV because i overlooked an explanation.

what if i tell you

that Mala has TMI on FL/they're partners with FL

which informs the unwarranted confident townread and mason claim

and that Mala not being able to explain their read plainly and delaying their answer points toward me being right about them as scum

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Roden why did you drop Mala

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Sheep me in Malakittens please

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okay but if i make this elim happen and they flip scum, don't be sick of the amount of i told you sos that will rain upon you

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your insistence to pull content out of mala is +town rather than just trying to bury her for it.

yes that is a hallmark of my scum game lmao

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However the Koba reveal is forcing me to hard reset entirely. Literally nothing is out of their scum range, and I need to reevaluate their main points to see if they were genuine or if I was just getting taken along for a ride. I feel like I've been getting heavily encouraged to tunnel Leaf, and despite my own attempts to try to step back I now just have all bad vibes gnawing away in the pit of my stomach.

if you trust me
1.) i need you to defocus on koopa and look for a realistic D1 lim
2.) review my case on Malakittens

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why dont you just go ahead and join the game as DkKoba so we can see you for you for who you really are

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Gamma does feel less aggressive upon entrance, but I attribute that to not being caught up

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i'm not gonna fight that fire with fire.
i can be reasoned with.
all i need is for you to meet me in the middle.

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we all are we all are

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im not sure what's pissing you off

me scumreading you?

i don't claim that i know you

and i'm unable to meta right now

if you're town, make yourself known and obvious. you're playing a game with me.
if you're scum, that's a very good way of deflecting pressure

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how would a metadive bring me to the conclusion you're town here, Malakittens? Do you TMI as town?

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I know now what your towntell is and you haven't shown it here.

haters will say it's not real

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you're making it too obvious that we're partners. you left me out.

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you can do that... or you can join me in Malakittens

the pressure is obviously working

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how can anyone look at Mala's dayplay and say this is town

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that does not answer my question

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I respect elsewhere

as opposed to the players you don't respect here

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ah yes, the self-vote and AtE after being asked a reasonable question

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let's flip this

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okay? just dont see what you're so mad about?

when you have the time, quote posts that pings you as town specifically — before the post where you called him town.

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The only the time that wi became slightly paranoid about as fhe WK of me

this was before or after you townread them?

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if this is true, step away from the game and engage me later. i can wait.

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sorry Mala, but i do this AtE all the time and I really don't buy this climax. Although I'm gonna give you a benefit of the doubt and ask you to just engage me later.

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it doesn't even make sense because everyone makes gutreads all the time and they can explain those gut reads.

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cool. let's do it. i don't think you're flipping town though.

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you buying this koba?

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anyone else buying this?

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i'll read it later thanks

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i suggest you just indulge me. it's a fairly simple request.

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i expected more push from you after you caught Scorpious from your pov

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althought i attribute that as you not catching up

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GE catches you scum in their entrance catch-up, and I haven't seen them grill you

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GE, how do you read Mala?

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why

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do you mind sending me a link so i can read later

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im here, but i can't play or stay.

i see the E-1. not hammering yet.

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if my wagon isn't happening, i'm willing to compromise.

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I'm okay with Scorpious and nk15 for D1. If koopa (an investigative claim) says that nk15 (the other investigative claim) cannot co-exist with them, i will believe that only one can exist and one is scum.

i don't know how many false positives can investigative have, but it just seems op unless scum has roleblocker or modifier that hides them from either roles. but i can't setup spec.

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what's your nrg info koba

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if you're less than 100% sure, please don't

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that's unless koba is actually scum here trying to take out an investigative tpr

which makes me think we should just go ahead and settle for scorpious

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one of 3 town investigative

three investigatives? how do you know JV is an investigative? did someone else claim?

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so JV. is koba full of shit?

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AGH I SHOULDNT PLAY ANYMORE

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that's unless koba is actually scum here trying to take out an investigative tpr

which makes me think we should just go ahead and settle for scorpious

Why settle for scorpious when andres is right there

Maybe.

VOTE: Andres

Let's build it.

I still think Scorpious can flip scum tho. I can go for NK15 as well. Otherwise, I'm unable to take this game any further because of my schedule so happy to just end it right here if it goes nowhere. I don't think I can handle any more pages.

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not sure i agree scorpious towntold under pressure. that's nothing i can't fake. no reason to believe he can't either.

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the moment i start underestimating players, that's the moment i lose

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JV should I just hammer here

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I feel like I do or my entire work day will just be 80% mafia and 20% work done and 100% reason to lose my job

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the question is

do we really have time and energy and attention to build andre's wagon, process his claim, analyze the gamestate, and decide who to finalize?
i'm not just gonna flashwagon someone without them claiming

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join the fucking wagon then koopa you're all talk no votes

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JV reason with me

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HEM stop making excuses for bad play

bad play?

i'm doing my best here

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i also think scorpious can just flip scum here but im willing to give this a chance

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ugh this already feels like it's gonna be a long day and i'm not really supposed to be doing this

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i really resent how you always try to manipulate me by saying im a bad player

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koopa what was the reason behind wanting nk15 gone

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i don't appreciate it

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VOTE: Scorpious

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who in your wagon is most scum scorp

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im not sure scorp flips green

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Well then you’re partners if so.

How?

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please check Italiano

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VOTE: Andresvmb

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I guess the big question I have is why did scum send Andres to do the kill?

wdym

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I don't know if he's widely suspected. It was only koopa and I that was interested in an Andres flashwagon. He was widely ignored, more accurately. I was townreading him.

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I remember their Scorpious vote to feel townie. It was a weak read though.

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But I felt like it was the right flashwagon to make

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the townread expired when they didn't really show up in the thread afterwards and i was willing to counterwagon Scorpious

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I think team is Andre+Math+Malcolm/Kitty if NK15 is not faking.

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I'm gonna read the game in full this week.

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Hi. Only can answer questions for now.
I thought Scorpious was gonna turn red and Italiano was shading me. Italiano going for NK15 rather than Scorpious makes him a strong partner potential. Scorpious town implies a different world and I'm going to reread the game with Town!Scorpious and Town!Koopa in mind.

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dude

JacksonVirgo

you're scum

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VOTE: JacksonVirgo

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fuck i didnt expect that