Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

[Elements]

If frog is town then I think Grib bussed BBT in order to push a Me/BBT/Frog team forward. Then push for a mislim on me today and when I flipped town push for a mislim on frog tomorrow because the rationale that "frog and BBT are both scum or one of the wagons would have been easier to push if one of them was town" is the same regardless of my alignment

[Elements]

Man Elements really just does not feel like scum.

I’m bad.

Probably because I'm not

[Elements]

How do you feel about trying to get a Bella wagon going if you're so against nM

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NM is a very meh elim.

Is there a better option?

[Elements]

Why on mobile does the first post of a page have smaller text?

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Man Elements really just does not feel like scum.

I’m bad.

For me their interactions were really good on D1 but not on D3 at all

That's because you're brain-dead

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VOTE: Bella

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Everything Frog says feels incredibly slimy to me

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UNVOTE:

God I feel like I need to reread the whole game.

It's just AtE they are trying to psyche you out, the scum tells are still there. I agree with reading the game through though.

Other than my.resposes to you, what have I said that's emotional in any way?

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And what scum tells are you on about? You've not shown a single one. Your entire case against me has been 'fire was scum trying to hit a TPR' and 'she bussed BBT'

[Elements]

Vig, shoot Grib tonight

This is so theatrical

I work in theatre

[Elements]

Vig, shoot Grib tonight

This is so theatrical

An you think this is why Grib still thinks I'm town?

[Elements]

Wtf

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Ffs

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VOTE: nm

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I think it's NM and Grib

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VOTE: Bella

I'm the vig, guys.

I TRIED TO WARN YOU GUYS. I told you exactly what she was up to.

Where?

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I couldn't give a faerie's right armpit what frog has to say

[Elements]

I'm not stupid

Yet you think I'm scum

[Elements]

Grib, you still against voting NM today?

[Elements]

;-;
My reads this game
My fragile ego

Everyone's reads this game I think

[Elements]

Join me!

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This really feels like we only have a few hours left but we still have 3 days

[Elements]

Bella, did you shoot fire?

[Elements]

Why is my activity sus?

[Elements]

I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference if NM flipped mason compared to flipping VT

[Elements]

We get it frog, you think I'm scum. We all know that. So can you please stop clogging up the thread with your pointless quoting of me and the the grown ups do the talking.

[Elements]

I don't think it would make a blind bit of difference if NM flipped mason compared to flipping VT

It does. It puts us even more in bad game jail.

How?

[Elements]

Oh I see

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So no, it doesn't make a difference

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Hardclaim WOAT villager.

At least you're doing better than frog

[Elements]

worst of all time

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I think it's a good idea

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there is no way NM's mason claim is serious

[Elements]

what makes you think it's serious?

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I still want to lim frog

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I’m gonna sleep and when I wake up I want this game to be easy.

funny

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Quick, now they've gone to sleep who's in on a Grib flash wagon?

[Elements]

I still want to lim frog

them asking y i aren't voting u after i made my stance pretty clear earlier rubs me wrong

Frog doesn't care about the game anymore, he just wants me limmed

[Elements]

VOTE: Grib

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Above the line
Aisa
Bella
Eira
The Line ------------
Enchant
Grib
NM
Below the line


























































Frog

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UNVOTE:

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Aisa, i'm not claiming. i'm also not hot on voting n_m tbh.

Oh no... You will not claim. What we gonna possible do?


Oh right.
VOTE: Eiralox

Why vote Eira when you could vote Grib?

[Elements]

I'm not voting you cos there's no point if no one else is

[Elements]

Elements, does it make sense to have that strong of a townread on Eira here? I don’t know what’s going on with Frog, but from where I’m sitting and with the information available to me, he is objectively the least likely of those three to be scum with BBT.

I like Eira for town for their reaction with the whole Frog stuff that happened before Frog returned. And I can help but read all of Frogs posts since claiming with a hint of "haha you can't touch me I'm a confirmed TPR" which really rubs me the wrong way.

Still more than happy to vote NM

[Elements]

i'm not saying it's not helpful, there are some very interesting theories for why frogsterking scum!

I generally like to hash things out in person with someone, tho, and if they've been gone for a long time i'm wary of letting others form my opinions for me. so i wasn't dissing what u saying but explaining how i work, i guess.

Like this post

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who else do you think if scum Frog?

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VT

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Enchant isny claiming vig, are they?

I really don't like aisa's position on me today, btw

I think this points to Bella vig if that's what you're questioning Grib

[Elements]

Welp, my reads are trash. I didn't want to think all of the people pinging me day one were town but yeah. My reads aren't normally that bad.

I think Bella was referencing this

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VOTE: Enchant

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Despite thinking I'm likely scum you're very happy to follow my vote

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I don't think Frog is scum

[Elements]

I'm not enjoying playing with them

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Aisa Enchant
Aisa NM
Aisa Frog
Enchant NM
Enchant Frog
NM Frog

And then these are all possible teams that include neither of us, Bella, or Eira.

I'm willing to vote NM, Enchant, Frog, You today. That is my pool

[Elements]

I am sorry I upset you by the way. It's not true that only you were toxic because I did troll you because I was bitter that you wagoned me so hard, especially after I had to out I was rubbing it in your face and I think that is just as mean as what you said. I don't really believe you did anything wrong because you seem to have a method you were following which is objective and I'm not entitled to not being scumread and wagoned. I also think you may be right that it's

partially

my fault people wanted to vote me because I did disappear from this game a lot and I barely posted or worked on my reads after D1. In my mind I told myself that I was playing well because I was avoiding the NK by being quiet but I think in reality I was lying to myself and being lazy.

I'm sorry I told you to walk off a cliff. There's not really any excuse for that. Other than our clash I've been very much enjoying this game and your posts that aren't shouting that I'm scum makes me think I could enjoy playing with you (when you're not trolling and I'm not over-reacting).
At this point I just want a hug from Aisa and to flip NM.
VOTE: NM
Maybe if we both someone survive the night you can realise I'm town and we can power-solve this game tomorrow

[Elements]

I'm happy to vote Grib, I just don't think we'll have the support to get to majority

[Elements]

Also this is some galaxy brain level stuff right here

[Elements]

I'd rather have Grib around tomorrow than NM

[Elements]

but also maybe rolebocker

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I am here but also at work so don't expect anything insightful from me, just letting you know I can change my vote

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VOTE: Eira

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Eira just claim

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Is you being dead and unclaimed better than you claiming, us voting NM, and you getting night killed?

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Eira just claim

No. Explain your vote on any other basis than this single push.

If you're a TPR' why are you not voting NM?

[Elements]

This is tense, I have no idea what's, but I love it.
VOTE: Grib

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Aisa come vote Grib

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I'm not not considering it, but I think you're gonna have to cite reasons this time, Elem.

UNVOTE:
If I'm gonna take this position, though, I think I at least owe Eira an unvote.

At this point I think the team is either:
Eria/Enchant or (Aisa/NM)/Grib

Bella seems to trust Eira for reasons unknown and Eira seems to think NM is a reasonable mason claim given their role.

[Elements]

I think I’m at E-1

Frog, Enchant, Eiralox, Elements are voting now

Eira unvote

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VOTE: Aisa

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I think it's the only wagon no one has considered

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It wasn't a hammer

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UNVOTE:

I'm note claiming. Scummy pivot from Aisa and Elements, grib i don't even care about even more they're an ass. Bella can speak up for me, or they can't. with people voting by their noses like this on reasons flimsier than spring ice i don't even know anymore. in my mind i have very good reasons for not revealing my role, and that's it.

Eira unvoted

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VOTE: NM
It's Eira/NM and they're just play PR claims off each other

[Elements]

Ok, you said “Eira unvote” which I thought was you asking him to unvote me.

Oops! Phone posting is hard

[Elements]

If we don't lim NM we will always be talking about the slot with no input from it whatsoever

[Elements]

Everyone else will post something potentially alignment indicative tomorrow except NM

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LET COMPLEX VIG DEAL WITH IT.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA

[Elements]

Idea looks weird in all caps

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What if NM is a Mafia Goon? Am I going mad?

Then the mason claim is a lie

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LET COMPLEX VIG DEAL WITH IT.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA

Roleblocker?

If NM doesn't die to vig shot they're either not a mason or mafia wanted to stop the kill. Either way we lim them.

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UNVOTE:

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Should we no lim then? I don’t want to kill anyone else for the sake of it.

I was considering this when I was walking to saisbury's

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Eira, will you claim tomorrow?

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I kinda wanna vote Aisa after that

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Eira/Aisa anyone?

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VOTE: Not Mafia
Maybe Bella can shoot Eira or something.

I need to go.

Vote NM shoot Eira?

[Elements]

VOTE: NM

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Bella join us

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Enchant join us

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Eira join us

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I cannot read Aisa. The whole last page was just craziness.

Aisa was my biggest town read until the last few hours

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LET COMPLEX VIG DEAL WITH IT.

Too late

[Elements]

Is there a reason Frog isn't a mafia doctor?

[Elements]

mafia doctor
mafia roleblocker
mafia goon

3 macho masons
complex vig
as-yet unnamed 3rd power role
5 VT

[Elements]

ah yea

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I went to look at the normal roles to see if there was one that makes sense for Eira not to claim

[Elements]

we're onto NM

[Elements]

until bella gets killed tonight

[Elements]

VC 3.09

With 8 players, it takes 5 to make a decision. Day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-05 15:00:00).

VC

Grib [2]:

Frogsterking, Enchant

Eiralox [1]:

Grib

Not_Mafia [1]:

Aisa

Not voting [4]:

Bellaphant, Not_Mafia, Eiralox, Elements

[Elements]

Enchant will you hammer Eira if it gets to it?

[Elements]

I'm not voting Grib, Aisa is gone, NM is nowhere to be seen so you don't have the numbers for it

[Elements]

I'd rather have Grib around than NM

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Enchant will you hammer Eira if it gets to it?

elements i've asked you before, what besides me not claiming gives you reason to feel like this?

Vote NM and we'll discuss it tomorrow

[Elements]

Frog or Eira
one of you vote NM

[Elements]

or both of you

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Bella you still here?

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Frog, just vote NM

[Elements]

Enchant if you vote NM then stoned Frog might be inclined to hammer

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I FEEL NM IS REAL MASON BUT FUCK

it's the only possible lim today at this point I'm pretty sure

[Elements]

I wish it was me and Grib

[Elements]

You can think Grib is a better vote as much as you like but NM is the only vote that will end in a flip

[Elements]

I wish it was me and Grib

<3

<3

[Elements]

Look Frog, there's an E-1 dangling right in front of you

[Elements]

voting NM isn't gamethrowing

[Elements]

it's the town thing to do

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NM

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Frog is out of it right now

[Elements]

I received a Mailman message last night. Paraphrasing: "Sup? It's Titus and I'm a Mailman. I think you're Town so far. I'm going to read my predecessor's posts and do some VCA."

As we have no way of detecting whether Frog's claim is 100% true I'm thinking that maybe Enchant is right and we should just no elim. I think there's a 60% chance Frog just gets smoked during the night, but that would at least eliminate some residual uncertainty around his slot and save us all some anguish.

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

I know Grib wanted me to reply to something yesterday, I'll find the post.

This post giving anyone else strong Aisa/Titus scum team vibes?

[Elements]

Titus come give us a full claim please

[Elements]

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

[Elements]

Frog do you have a modifier?

[Elements]

Ok well since Elements is hella shading Aisa.

I think Aisa and Enchant are the last two mafia.

then why does Aisa reveal the mail?

[Elements]

Grib/Frog
Grib/Titus
Grib/Enchant
Grib/Aisa
Grib/Elements

Frog/Titus
Frog/Enchant
Frog/Aisa
Frog/Elements

Titus/Enchatn
Titus/Aisa
Titus/Elements

Enchant/Aisa
Enchant/Elements

Aisa/Elements

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Easy lim?

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Grib/Frog

Grib/Titus

Grib/Enchant
Grib/Aisa

Grib/Elements

Frog/Titus
Frog/Enchant
Frog/Aisa
Frog/Elements

Titus/Enchatn
Titus/Aisa
Titus/Elements

Enchant/Aisa

Enchant/Elements

Aisa/Elements

Frog is Doc

Titus is mailman

I am town

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Grib/Titus Grib/Enchant
Grib/Enchant Grib/Aisa
Grib/Aisa Enchant/Aisa
Titus/Enchant
Titus/Aisa
Enchant/Aisa

These are the two worlds I'm looking at.

World 1: Grib x 3, Titus x 3, Aisa x 3, Enchant x 3
World 2: Grib x 2, Aisa x 2, Enchant x 2

I think we should lim in Grib/Aisa/Enchant today. Of those three I think Grib is town.

[Elements]

that didn't keep my spacing at all

[Elements]

Grib/Titus
Grib/Enchant
Grib/Aisa
Titus/Enchant
Titus/Aisa
Enchant/Aisa

Grib/Aisa
Grib/Enchant
Aisa/Enchant

These are the two worlds I'm looking at.

World 1: Grib x 3, Titus x 3, Aisa x 3, Enchant x 3
World 2: Grib x 2, Aisa x 2, Enchant x 2

I think we should lim in Grib/Aisa/Enchant today. Of those three I think Grib is town.

EBWOP

[Elements]

Uhhh I was gonna share my Eira read so we could talk about it. You good with clearing the slot?

I more than happy to talk about it. I'm not happy with Eira refusing to claim mailman but given how wrong the rest of my reads have been this game who knows at this point

[Elements]

What do the x2 and x3 signify?

how many possible teams that player is in

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VOTE: No Lim

why would you rather have the deciding lim tomorrow and not today?

[Elements]

VOTE: Grib

This ISO is still sus and being this slot can't be killed by any means makes it worse. I think Rolestopper + Roleblocker + Goon vs 5 TPR fits. We were screwed by the massclaim more than the mason sacrifices.

Who is Grib's partner?

[Elements]

I like your reasoning

[Elements]

Do you think "The biggest and most convincing reason is that basically 99% of BBT's scumread on Eira was his weird townread of Aisa." is at all AI for Aisa?

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Do you want to lim someone today?

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I'm 100% eir Is town

Let's say I'm sure eira is a pr, but I don't know what alignment.

I think this is Bella confirming receiving a message and then realising it could have been a scum mailman

[Elements]

what are your other JOAT abilities?

[Elements]

what are your other JOAT abilities?

Wouldn't you like to know? Aisa knows.

That is, in fact, why I asked

[Elements]

What would you like to investigate and how can we help?

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For starters, Enchant just seems kinda here. What are the thoughts there?

Scum

[Elements]

You really should just finish your reread imo.

Elements: scum!Titus does not claim JOAT in mylo, because it renews the possibility that she could be a scum PR and not a weak town one. Hence, the slot is town. Agree/disagree?

My thoughts are Eira had a cop check on Aisa and then mailed her once knowing she's town. but idk if that's too powerful

[Elements]

No clear on anyone alive.

that's a shame

[Elements]

If there's no roleblocker, I am at least soft-confirmed vanilla.

or stopper

[Elements]

Titus do you believe Frog's doctor claim?

[Elements]

2014-2022 is a long 5 years

[Elements]

I think we should lim today. We have more town voices and if we lim correctly we get an extra day phase. If we lim incorrectly, I don't think 1 more night would make a difference

[Elements]

as in, if we lim incorrecctly today, don't think 1 more night phase would change the game enough for us to lim correctly

[Elements]

*would have

[Elements]

I'm gonna go have a shower, see y'all when I get back

[Elements]

Sad times

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Titus, how are you feeling about Enchant?

[Elements]

why do you want a no lim today Aisa?

[Elements]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

Why do you find it scummy?

Idk, it felt like you were rushing the game along when I first read it. Feels less scummy on re-reading it.

your tone does seem different now though.

[Elements]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

And that is relevant because?

Titus is the most conformably town atm? so we wouldn't be losing a "tinfoil" slot

[Elements]

ooo! talk about me!

[Elements]

or enchant

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i can do that if you want

[Elements]

JOAT with confirmable night actions e.g. mailman message so at the very least from your perspective Titus has a role if not alignment conformation
the set-up isn't:
3 macho masons + doc + VT VS Roleblocker + JOAT + goon

[Elements]

so there's like no way Titus is scum and Frog town here I don;t think

[Elements]

can JOATs use multiple abilities in the same night?

[Elements]

that's just seems ridiculously unbalanced no?

[Elements]

oh snap we have a vog too

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ignore me

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I really want to vote Enchant

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@everyone

Can anyone disprove a Grib/BBT/Enchant team?

Any reason you're voting Grib over enchant?

[Elements]

I really want to vote Enchant

You might as well. Seems like the No Lim is inevitable regardless of what you choose to do.

If he's a villager, then mafia just dogpile him, we lose, and we can all go home. I don't think waiting an extra phase is going to make me want to vote him any less.

True
I don't think there's a world I don't vote Enchant tomorrow anyway
VOTE: Enchant

[Elements]

GG kids!

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Welp.

Terrible game, glad it’s over. Village played pretty badly, and I’m exiling myself from playing for another year or maybe forever. gg mafia.

I really need to know what hell setup we’re in that possessed Frog to soft Doc Day 1.

And we were so close to voting Frog day 2

[Elements]

*day 3