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[Elements]

Fire and Elements aren't really scumreads yet, but at this point in the game they make me uneasy. Especially since with how narrow the suspect pool is (fmpov), at least one of them is likely mafia unless a lurker slot ends up flipping red.

Do you still hold this view?

[Elements]

@frog, what is your position on Aisa after the recent deaths?

[Elements]

Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town

Aisa and bella, full stop.

Are these still your only town reads?

[Elements]

I dislike that NM didn't vote BBT at all

[Aisa]

Thanks BBT ^^
I think TSQ comes out of this looking towny. Tbh I feel them getting a bit of a point. I can also see this reaction from Town!BBT, but I think it's a little scum indicative overall, sorry.

ISO'd you and I suppose that's at least vaguely consistent with the timing of when you first started to say I was scum.
How does that post mean I'm partnered with BBT, though?

I don’t think you’ve answered this.

I don't have the attention span for meta

Eira town unless frog scum then I'm not sure

Can you also explain why that is?

Eira!scum could have easily pushed through a frog!town lim yesterday to give BBT another day

Re: the meta thing, that’s fine, but I’m not sure what you’re quoting it again in relation to.
Re: Eira, sure

[Aisa]

People who think Bella is town, why?

I don’t necessarily think that she is town, but the fact she tried to meta me gives me pause, and I probably shouldn’t be saying this but her soft defense of BBT looks so incriminating in hindsight that I wonder if she would have allowed that as scum.

[Eiralox]

Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town

Aisa and bella, full stop.

Are these still your only town reads?

bella is town.

[Elements]

Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town

Aisa and bella, full stop.

Are these still your only town reads?

bella is town.

Why?

[Elements]

Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town

Aisa and bella, full stop.

Are these still your only town reads?

bella is town.

Thanks BBT ^^
I think TSQ comes out of this looking towny. Tbh I feel them getting a bit of a point. I can also see this reaction from Town!BBT, but I think it's a little scum indicative overall, sorry.

ISO'd you and I suppose that's at least vaguely consistent with the timing of when you first started to say I was scum.
How does that post mean I'm partnered with BBT, though?

I don’t think you’ve answered this.

I don't have the attention span for meta

Eira town unless frog scum then I'm not sure

Can you also explain why that is?

Eira!scum could have easily pushed through a frog!town lim yesterday to give BBT another day

Re: the meta thing, that’s fine, but I’m not sure what you’re quoting it again in relation to.
Re: Eira, sure

Did not mean to quote the bit about meta, phone posting is annoying.

It positions you to be able to get on the wagon if it becomes unavoidable but gives you the leaway to not have to vote BBT. It reads like you're preparing yourself for whichever way the wagon goes so you can bus/defend either way you need to

[Grib]

I mean, I laid out kind of meh-reasons. Plus I’m not sure BBT would have an empty townread on a buddy, especially if he’s aware that he’s been getting slimmed a lot recently and Bella doesn’t really have a strong thread presence by herself.

When I reread BBT’s posts, I felt surer that Bella wasn’t a buddy, but maybe you can tell me how you’re seeing it?

edit: I didn’t refresh and there’s a lot of new posts but I’m posting this anyway because mobile, this is in response to Elements asking for reasons on town!Bella.

[Grib]

Fire and Elements aren't really scumreads yet, but at this point in the game they make me uneasy. Especially since with how narrow the suspect pool is (fmpov), at least one of them is likely mafia unless a lurker slot ends up flipping red.

Do you still hold this view?

Over the Night phase I was so confident in proposing a you/Fire team /o\

You still might be scum and killed FB to strengthen the validity of his read on you, but I also know I need to make sure my original townreads hold. Bella is the weakest.

[Grib]

And of course NM or Enchant could be scum, but at that point it’s a pure guessing game.

I don’t really have time for mafia today, and the rug has been pulled from under me a bit, so I’ll start looking at stuff tomorrow.

[Bellaphant]

I actually feel better about my reads again, fire was obv town.
I don't think the bbt wagon clears frog.

I think my town block is eir/grib/probably aisa.
@aisa, going back to your questions now.

[Bellaphant]

I think grib knows the solve is a bit lame? Like I don't massively town read any of those three but that team just screams 'convenient'. I don't think it's sunny for him to suggest it though.

Like, I kinda think there's a scum in the lurker pile, a scum in the big ego posters and a scum in my middle pile. But again, life is never that easy.

@tsq, do you mean the push for solway is a 'lim all lurkers' push generally or just for grib?

This caught my eye when I reread, because it didn’t really match my perception of the game at the time. I’m struggling to explain exactly why, because when I think back I also had doubts on players of all activity levels.

Anyway, tell me a bit more about that? Tell me what parts of Day 2 have been town/scum driven? Who’s your top scum read?

My brain has this really unhelpful habit in mafia of grouping people: I can link to other places I've done it as town, and it tends to think very much in relationships and bad logic: there's statistically not three scum in all the top three posters, these two slots that have weird takes on the vc both aren't scum, etc.

Here, specifically I was talking a bit about the 'big noiae' players day one: fire, grib, frog, tsq and bbt a bit. I still don't tien read frog at all: as I said, his wagon doesn't clesr him, it actually makes me feel that my other counter wagon was Really scum driven. I was happy with fire being town by the middle of yesterday: that leaves I think Enchant, nm Ans elements are having voted me as unknowns.

The middle players are you, eira, maybe elements: again, I'm 100% eir Is town, I think bbts stance on you and Eir helps clear you, then there's elements.

Neither nm or enchant are playing how I've seen as town.

Basically my reads are
Eira
You and grib. ( The connection part of my brain worries I'm wrong on one of you, because both of you are town by vibe)
Then everyone else. It's probably not elements with frig, but I can't remember why I think that.

[Enchant]

Eiralox saying team is "Firebringer/BBT" but votes Firebringer (WHO HAD 0 VOTES) instead of BBT. At deadline closening.

Very suspicious.

Eiralox saying team is "Firebringer/BBT" but votes Firebringer (WHO HAD 0 VOTES) instead of BBT. At deadline closening.

Very suspicious.

Read and stop lazy shading, elf

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[Aisa]

I suggest a deal
You unvote Eira
Eira stops calling you elf

[Enchant]

And who i vote instead?

[Grib]

Yeah sorry Elements, but I absolutely do not buy that the team is BBT/Aisa/Bella, and that Aisa gave Bella questions to answer before deadline and then Bella picks it up the next Day phase the way she did. That would be bizarre-o casual theater for a team that is kind of doomed.

Not to mention that BBT would be setting them both up to fail. Aisa has been scumread a lot and Bella is in a vulnerable position if she’s scum, and that team hasn’t really done anything to change that momentum.

[Grib]

I felt pretty strongly that a BBT/Fire/Elements team fit. That’s obviously bunk but I still kind of think Elements has partner equity with BBT. If anyone could take a look at their posts about each other and let me know what they see.

I’m going to take another look tomorrow after I check votes.

[Grib]

For the record, BBT/Elements/Frog is my current team guess. I did look at Frog’s posts and talked myself out of scumreading him for reasons I don’t really remember, but I’ll add that to my to-do list.

[Bellaphant]

VC 1.16

With 13 players, it takes 7 to make a decision. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-18 11:30:00).

VC

Solway Firth [5]:

Frogsterking [595], Aisa [735], Grib [789], BlueBloodedToffee [843], HighPrincessErinys [844]

BlueBloodedToffee [4]:

Eiralox [713], Solway Firth [733], Thestatusquo [888], Elements [931]

Aisa [3]:

Firebringer [80], Enchant [721], Not_Mafia [813]

HighPrincessErinys [1]:

Bellaphant [716]

Not voting [0]:

Flavor

Spoiler: Community

This feels like it should be significant?
Town wagon ???st

Scum wagon ?(t)TT?

Unknown T??

P-edit cools. Is it worth thinking about mass claim at all? Even the process would help me sort enchant

[Grib]

The main reasons I suspect Elements without quoting or citing anything is that her behavior for most of the game completely changed whenever BBT was about to be elimmed - it’s like she perked up, but never showed that same energy for doing anything else. And that she looked like she was trying to bus BBT for free while keeping suspicion on Aisa (when she said she wanted to flip Aisa the most but would sheep TSQ whenever he voted BBT - it looked like buddying and free distancing).

[Grib]

We probably have a protective role of some sort, I don’t think we should massclaim this phase since they’re still hidden. It’s only worth it if anyone is worried about scum counterclaiming at endgame.

[Grib]

Frog has just flat-out not had the same energy he brought Day 1. That’s really my only off-the-cuff criticism.

[Elements]

VOTE: Grib