Mini Normal 2285: GM [game over]

[unwnd]

I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky

First one I get, second one why

[unwnd]

Also hello skitter/dann/IV

[unwnd]

I dont get, or like, the church wagon
I think we should be wagoning herta or kittytacky

Naughty point. Didn't like your stream of posts

What does naughty point mean here

[unwnd]

IV I need a townread and I think you're a really underrated player

Can you do a little villager jiggle for me

[unwnd]

@val why is the vote a scumclaim ?

Not the vote - the post. It is an attempt at a fake dumb tell. Are you trying to get a read on the author of post 6 from the RVS posting here?

I say it's fake rather than genuine, as KT seems to suggest, because of KTs vote/unvote. Scoliosis trying to draw 3 reads (and two scum ones at that) from the RVS shit posting that went on before post 20 screams 'try harding', but if you a seriously try harding, do you serious think KT moving their vote around is something less AI than two "Hi <vote>" posts, and not bother looking into that?

We know KT was shit posting because Toto is IC, but Scoliosis is trying to dumb tell they didn't notice and need to give a read on post 6 - its internally inconsistent.

I think this is a telling interaction for associative reasons as I tend to believe that partners wouldn't be pressed to elaborate the thought like this; doesn't seem like distancing/prompted by something which is usually when partners directly respond to another

I am null on skitter fwiw

[unwnd]

Like scoliosis at face value, but that may be because I think Church is not a bad wagon

This doesn't feel like a difficult game to sift through oh it's only 117 posts that's why

[unwnd]

Scolosis/Val89 am feeling alright about and maybe that Toto guy idk his name is green on the votecounts must mean something

[unwnd]

Could you give a contrast between Herta/Church? I think their posting style is actually similar

[unwnd]

I have already replaced you, Mr. Nips

[unwnd]

I would ask you some front-loaded question but you're IC so it'd be pointless

[unwnd]

I ... am not even sure how to approach this fully as i don't think they're similar at all

They both were prompted to respond based on someone else's input.

Herta is conversing more with the thread, but it reads like someone who is easily distracted. Your observations based on that behavior is fine

[unwnd]

I don't think her gripes were tone-related at all?

[unwnd]

How in the fuck are you here too

[unwnd]

I was reading you as some newbie player who felt pressured by a slight entanglement

Herta had the same nervous energy albeit more active

This was my point

[unwnd]

How in the fuck are you here too

you don’t have to say it like u hate me

I'm just a bit stunned is all

[unwnd]

like a newbie player like an EASY MISELIM HUH

gottem

I didn't decide my vote yet

As an aside, I really did want to come in with a bit of authority

Instead you two are making me look like a bumkus

[unwnd]

So was your first few postings just trying on an archetype?

[unwnd]

The game seemed in stasis so I thought with a strong leading impression it would motivate others to converse

[unwnd]

no that’s just my stereotypical alt voice for alts that i try to not instantly be pegged as me

i like to think it’ll make me play in normal way each time but then i’m miserable

I like you the way you are (:

[unwnd]

Stop reading me like I'm >:3 this is clearly my <:3 game

[unwnd]

no that’s just my stereotypical alt voice for alts that i try to not instantly be pegged as me

i like to think it’ll make me play in normal way each time but then i’m miserable

I like you the way you are (:

imagine how good i could be at mafia if i used more of my brain though...

I genuinely appreciate your attitude you bring to games though. You had solid reads in coalition cause I feel you are innately linked to vibes, which is a dominant form of how to read others in this day and age. Look at me-- I use my brain to postulate ten different theories or word salad a gamestate read only for my efforts to be overblown

[unwnd]

Me: I think [Player] is scum because their posting is affixed in such a way that triangulates the disposition of a scum who is trying to hide his guilty conscience by acquiescing. Word salad. Blah blah

blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah

Ydra: Their vibes are off idk

[unwnd]

can you share your mafia leaderboard placings

IV is like a smurf who plays in Silver III with his friends with middling-below numbers until he randomly does a penta and just goes about his day like nothing happened lol

[unwnd]

My grand theory of mafia is literally it’s never that deep and whatever makes sense at face value is correct

That's literally boring to me though

I want to be thrilled

[unwnd]

Still a bit in a daze that not only is ydra here but dann is and they both think I'm sussy

[unwnd]

It also fucks with my observation of Church

BTW Dann I think geran is null, his posts are markedly shallow but you could say the same for others? Did you ever give your opinion about Herta

[unwnd]

I thought geran was part of your 360 uberpwnage haxxor 1337 scumteam though?

[unwnd]

my opinion on herta is that the utter incredulousness in 86 seems towny

Thoughts on Skitter then? Feel like she's been a huge proponent on Herta's wagon

[unwnd]

Feel hesitant on liking skitter in the same way Id have hesitance on Ydra

Skitter is especially good at aligning herself with best interests but secretly playing for the other team

I feel my read in that regard will be decided by flips

[unwnd]

Your posts (to me) don't really seem telling as they're just pretty standard? You do things I'd expect, but I've seen games like that one where you really just fooled the fucking pants off everyone like your plant hydra

Just exercising caution

[unwnd]

IV is in jungle rn and he's raring up to flank the enemy team

[unwnd]

Uhh what I'm not voteless I just haven't decided yet lmao

[unwnd]

It's OK it's not even midmatch right now still in farming phase

[unwnd]

Haha wouldn't you like to know...

[unwnd]

I think scol continues to be fine. His first string of posts were hearkened by the thought of 'these are face value assumptions', but I liked it of it's..imperfection. They're imperfect because they just state a problem he sees but there isn't like this additive layer to it. It's a lot of 'this behavior is x or y' which would be more troublesome if they weren't followed by reads or votes. I'm a fan

[unwnd]

This reads to me like a friend of skitter and innocent villager is recognizing that something is off in skitter and is too nice to say it outright.

That's not completely wrong, but I personally play a lot of wait-and-see with players that I'd prefer to be town? Skitter can be a huge boon if she's the same alignment, so I don't want to immediately start getting paranoid and devalue her thoughts. I do stand by that interaction regardless if one of them flips scum. What do you think of Val?

[unwnd]

Haha wouldn't you like to know...

POst it. Post the meme

Sry I put my happy ass into bed for a nap cause I got poor sleep the other night

[unwnd]

unwnd do you scum read anyone yet?

Weighing my thoughts between You/Church (Ydra)/KittyTacky. What is your own opinion of me? I gave a pointed observation about your play somewhere

[unwnd]

No no, more specifically how I feel like you're easily distracted

[unwnd]

Honestly why are you voting gera for a post he made ~9 pages ago? Why is this now your new distraction

[unwnd]

I'm sucker for stream of consciousness

Don't tell ydra I maybe agree with her

[unwnd]

Your posts don't seem like they're going anywhere

That is my fundamental problem with you, you're just sorta involved with various things at surface level

[unwnd]

Because it's a stark contrast of how many posts you've made and how little investment you actually have There's nothing to me that suggests you really think geran is scum here, because your accusations don't follow a mindset. It seems made up on the spot.

[unwnd]

Listening to bladee rn

[unwnd]

I'm dead, drained of life

[unwnd]

I actually am listening to something else now are you proud

[unwnd]

Haha I actually tabbed back in while doing some boring training videos for work

[unwnd]

What exactly is weird about it? Particular players/thread state?

[unwnd]

I think that points to more precautionary scum who are waiting on (mostly) inactive town

[unwnd]

Yeah I think that explains the awkwardness I feel towards Herta personally. The only reason I haven't voted him is because I'm picky, and looking at some other stuff

This is harder though when the thread continues to slowly trudge along. I think a higher concentration of town posting doesn't really look like this. Do you think scum is just afk?

[unwnd]

I think that ideals are sort of scattered and there isn't much palpable to latch onto, because we're still in this weird phase where nobody is really attentive to others. There is small pockets of intrigue but nothing really to give this game a pulse

As an aside, I think there are low value (not as individuals, rather content) players like Testa/Freedom/Geran who I don't really see making up a scumteam

[unwnd]

vote testa w me

?

What do you think of Skitter but actually? Also dann

[unwnd]

I think your assertion has merit but I stand by my thought of Freedom/Geran/Testa being a very odd team. That doesn't mean Testa can't be scum, rather I just feel like it's such a nothing slot that will either 1) get inevitably replaced 2) end up as the vote for today

[unwnd]

So you didn't agree with dann with his vote on me? I thought your mask unveiling was you jumping out in agreement

[unwnd]

What's got you so invested in this game or wanting to see it flourish ydra? I think your posting strings/wanting other to posts is a net positive but like

Aren't you usually lazy these days

[unwnd]

Nods sagely

Submitting post really do make the day go by faster

[unwnd]

I feel like the opposite

This stupid badge underneath my name gives me incredible imposter syndrome...

[unwnd]

Did it give you this feeling of 'I need to be like a master strategist and solve the game'

[unwnd]

I have had effectively zero (0) moments of brilliance since I was marked

In coalition I had half-of a scumread correct but but but I did see Lucian was town when it didn't even matter!

[unwnd]

Alright I need some thinking music then

Hmm yes I think I will listen to bladee

[unwnd]

"Playing with my nose, uh, now my nose hurt"

- Benjamin Thage "Bladee" Dag Reichwald

[unwnd]

This is just bladee though..

We're having another 'I like loathe but deftones idk' moment

[unwnd]

Lmaoooo

Maybe one day you'll like radiohead too...

[unwnd]

Oh yeah these dudes were neat

I actually like Don't Stop

Shoutouts to Madden NFL 09

[unwnd]

Uh yeah my music taste is a curated selection of copyrighted music from old PS2 sports games

[unwnd]

Wow now it's a party

[unwnd]

This fucking bear again

[unwnd]

A game now with me Dann/Ydra/(me)/Pooky/Skitter and let's not forget IV

I repped in thinking I would be big man on campus

[unwnd]

You mean the bladee to your neck

[unwnd]

Ahashahahahahhfdekjnfsdnlkjfnsdnjkf

[unwnd]

Mr. Moment of Brilliance right here

[unwnd]

Yeah yeah good talk

[unwnd]

Ydra is a bad influence

[unwnd]

look at him instead of engaging with my readlist and telling me what he agrees with or doesn't agree with he's there just sitting on the floor rocking back and forth hugging his knees mumbling gibberish

Your scol read surprised me

[unwnd]

Ydra is a bad influence

!??????

I just feel the vibes and I'm like yeah fuck it no restraint I'm pooosting

@Pooky did you see my reasons a couple of pages back

[unwnd]

Yeah I saw that too but I felt like being devil's advocate that maybe it was just level 0 townplay

[unwnd]

That's a bit harsh because he does have a structure to his posts that is lacking in some other individuals. I think that's what read it more favorably compared to other posters

Like I don't get why you like Herta of all people

[unwnd]

I oddly feel like trusting you and I hate that feeling

[unwnd]

No no I'm fine with playing this out actually and like your perspective (of all fucking things)

VOTE: Scolosis

[unwnd]

Since I made it clear already that I believe unwnd is town who doesn't have their head screwed on all the way, I want to clarify to everyone that the above post is a horrible way to play the game, voting out players based on popularity and friendships is how you end up in the position here where you think Pookythebear is creating some compelling stuff.

I'm gonna assume you meant not voting out here? I think that you are separating yourself from context which is why I started to change my mind on you. You respond to me in absolutes instead of considering my experience with Skitter (which I have pointed out) and treat this very interaction like a lesson instead of a conversation. Do you agree that behavior can dictate how someone approaches the game as town? I think this is crucial to understanding alignment because a post similarly worded does not mean the same based on an individual.

I know nothing about you. I don't know what your intentions are beyond the times you pop in with some sort of directive. I think it would be helpful to me if you conversed more in real-time.

[unwnd]

I know nothing about you. I don't know what your intentions are beyond the times you pop in with some sort of directive. I think it would be helpful to me if you conversed more in real-time.

I think you're gullible and naive and will probably be a liability moving forward, but if it makes you feel any better, I think you're sincere and mean well. I'm working on an updated reads list right now. What do you want to talk about?

From your disposition, why does me being 'gulliable and naive' make me town? I could easily be faking that. This black and white thinking would be far more of a hindrance than any stupid shit I could possibly do

[unwnd]

0 real time sorting/engagement to sort

lots of declarative statements dressed up to look fancier than they actually are

low desire to really be in the thread and talk out reads with the people he is "townreading"

Not being here in realtime is not a scumtell ...

this game started a week ago do you see him trying to have a conversation with anyone at any point about anything

That's not the sort of player he is, above post case in point

Uh I don't agree that we know what type of player he is. This could be a gimmick, this could be a new player, this could be a lot of things. I don't like assuming because it leads into confirmation bias.

[unwnd]

I don't think pooky has ever successfully pocketed me once

He can tell you that I am his biggest critic lmao

[unwnd]

Also no offense to you because it's Mafia and you can play however

I do think you're being a little dickish. I have that in me too, especially when I want to make a point. Like I said, I have experience with Skitter/Ydra/Dann/etc. I have certain expectations and things I'm looking out for. Right now I think Pooky's approach is more town: should that be discredited? Do you think it's possible to seperate those experiences, or perhaps they are just..deluding me?

[unwnd]

I mean if you want me to get on a tangent about how current meta seems to favor being do-or-die on votes/reads because there is some boogeyman that enabling that behavior means scum can do it too is frankly dumb

Especially on D1 lmao

[unwnd]

I'm not sure, it seems like they struck a chord with you by suggesting (lying) that I am afraid of interacting with other players directly. My guess is that they were looking for an angle they thought might work on you and they found one.

You saying you're not sure is that type of humility I enjoy. What are some other things you're not sure about? Do you feel these are things you don't want to talk about because of it?

[unwnd]

I was assuming that you only post if you're sure about something. This would maybe explain your approach

Just trying to get to know you, Mr. curvature of the spine

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

I know this back-and-forth doesn't need my input but I'm not sure if pooky buries himself on a mislim on you, scol?

Maybe pooks disrespects me that much that he thinks I wouldn't immediately throw his thread credibility out of the window if you're town

[unwnd]

And it's not just cause he has a scumread, it's just the way he's gone about it. The position he finds himself in. It's not like his slot was being closed in on. This thread had little direction until Pooky came in. That is honestly rare form from him, especially considering the circumstances. I really would like you to debate the prospect of why scum would behave this way. This isn't D4 where Pooky needs to secure a mislim (or get himself out of a bad spot), it's D1 where we know fuck all.

[unwnd]

Your dann case gets my noggin joggin

I feel more comfortable keeping him null because I'm just not ready to give up the ghost on herta. Your reasons are the equivalent of 'trust me bro' and when I voted scol I was doing exactly that. However, I think Dann has a good point. Why is Herta exempt from his muted perspectives and unwillingness to clarify?

[unwnd]

I need you to elaborate more scol. I'm not going to feel bad if you get yourself killed because of hubris.

[unwnd]

Your immediate response to two or three votes (four counting IC) was pretty much 'oh well town sux you know my reads peace'.

The only reason I unvoted is my unfinished business with Herta and me trying to decide how I feel about your egotism

[unwnd]

I've asked you to elaborate three times now and instead you want to throw potshots at me. I know this might seem like a impossible task, but get yourself straight

[unwnd]

Pookythebear's wallpost shows a fear to post in the thread

Hold on let me try my best impersonation of you

This is a bad opinion. I have my armchair and my Mafia 101 textbook right next to me and I'm going to tell what to look for and what not. Now if you excuse me, my perch needs me

[unwnd]

Why do you refuse to cooperate?

[unwnd]

You are being deeply unpleasant and I don't know if you're worth reasoning with.

[unwnd]

Erm, so the Dann/Scol pairing is debased now pooky?

[unwnd]

You sound like actually agitated with Scol

I sorta had an 'aha' moment on who it could possibly be but...

[unwnd]

Shut the fuck up Flavor Leaf

[unwnd]

It's the way you talk you welt

Ydra saw it too

[unwnd]

unwnd are you bad ;-;

i’m loathe to give the temper tantrum classic (a skill of mine) any towniness but i think scol’s reactions feel towny because it’s just like fuck you fuck you fuck you do this and then that and i don’t think at wha

Scol's behavior means nothing towards his alignment. I know this isn't what you directly posted but skitter saying 'why did you do that' and my only answer is that I was fed up. Then I put two and two together. I'm not going to address the emotions that came from that situation, but I do think that skitter's takeaway is missing some details.

First off, I'm confused by how she says that I got 'talked to' into scol vote but at the same time I'm just leveraging from pooky's push? I think that I've given a solid outlook on my diposition. I wanted to pressure Scol for various reasons and then shit happened and now we're here. I've been in contention with Pooky's read on Herta and I still am. I absolutely agree that his vote on scol was, to be blunt, quite bad. This is why I kneejerk unvoted in the first place.

[unwnd]

Giving him any sort of attention is unwise

I'm fine with relegating him to a hypothetical investigation. He's just going to continue to be uncharitable and mostly flippant in reads. It's not worth dealing with and I empathize with pooky 100%

[unwnd]

Yeah I'm very confident and the fact he pretty much responded to my callout

[unwnd]

I think I would be fine ending the day somewhere on Herta/Geran/Scol. I haven't been paying attention to geran, but none of the key players (in terms of activity, presence) are not pinging me enough to want to risk limming them. I think Dann's statement about 'I'm playing low value' or whatever is likely true. It's not alignment indicative however, so I am taking his stances more at face value; we agree on herta and that's something. I...hesitate on Skitter still and it seems confbias but I don't like that she pitched the idea I was just using pooky's push for my own gain. It's gripes for now as she also agrees herta is scummy. I sort of think he's a prime candidate to get bussed in either scenario of the two aforementioned, so as long my read stands I would very much like to pursue that. Ydra I am null on because ydra and IV I sorta like but am unsettled. Pooky I think is gut town. Too much to be evaluated in the meta chambers.

[unwnd]

[Innocent child]
Toto (IC)

[Gut town]
Pooks

[Town by not fitting in a dumbshit pairing that I am formulating in my head]
Val
IV

[Undecided]
Ydra
Dann
Freedom

[Flex]
Scol
Skitter

[Would end day here]
Geran
Herta

[unwnd]

Uhh KT probably in there with Val/IV

[unwnd]

I think I would be fine ending the day somewhere on Herta/Geran/Scol. I haven't been paying attention to geran, but none of the key players (in terms of activity, presence) are not pinging me enough to want to risk limming them. I think Dann's statement about 'I'm playing low value' or whatever is likely true. It's not alignment indicative however, so I am taking his stances more at face value; we agree on herta and that's something. I...hesitate on Skitter still and it seems confbias but I don't like that she pitched the idea I was just using pooky's push for my own gain. It's gripes for now as she also agrees herta is scummy. I sort of think he's a prime candidate to get bussed in either scenario of the two aforementioned, so as long my read stands I would very much like to pursue that. Ydra I am null on because ydra and IV I sorta like but am unsettled. Pooky I think is gut town. Too much to be evaluated in the meta chambers.

I’m town find me now

[x] Doubt

[unwnd]

I'm not a reference-by-post guy I like paraphrasing but

She starts off with the initial thought of me 'getting talked too easily into the vote' and then almost 180'ing on this and trying to make it out like 'actually, it's unwnd who is just using pooky's push as gain' while uh again ignoring the detail that I unvoted and have been critical of Pooky's read on herta. I think the referral of events is selective and to be frank I'm also wondering how this event ties into my other read on herta which we oddly agree on. This is why I think herta is prime bussing candidate beacuse I've been struggling with my skitter read this whole time. At one end-- I want to believe Pooky cause I think this is his town game and I know he has it in him to have good reads. On another-- I still don't really like herta and I cannot shake my own concerns with skitter due examples given like this one.

[unwnd]

Above is reference to ydras 664

[unwnd]

That's just Flavor Leaf in his natural smarmy habitat

[unwnd]

Unwnd has a reputafion as guilible town hehe..

[unwnd]

I'm not a reference-by-post guy I like paraphrasing but

She starts off with the initial thought of me 'getting talked too easily into the vote' and then almost 180'ing on this and trying to make it out like 'actually, it's unwnd who is just using pooky's push as gain' while uh again ignoring the detail that I unvoted and have been critical of Pooky's read on herta. I think the referral of events is selective and to be frank I'm also wondering how this event ties into my other read on herta which we oddly agree on. This is why I think herta is prime bussing candidate beacuse I've been struggling with my skitter read this whole time. At one end-- I want to believe Pooky cause I think this is his town game and I know he has it in him to have good reads. On another-- I still don't really like herta and I cannot shake my own concerns with skitter due examples given like this one.

i not read as close so forgive if wrong but isn’t it cohesive to say like
“unwnd let himself get talked into vote so he can use the push as gain”

like i read that and see it’s like world where you play lowkey but use someone else louder as mouthpiece and shield
maybe i need to read again with more brain capacity to understand reason why it all happen

Yeah that is a good summary but it's still missing details and I don't know why Skitter is neglecting them? I just don't know how you can look at that and get the conclusion she made lol

[unwnd]

Huh what i thought i was evil

Unless you're protesting me bekng town

[unwnd]

Read on skitter?

e.g person who wanna vote me

[unwnd]

Dann can I get a synopsis on why your read on me changed? I feel odd when people just start going 'yep unwnd town' esp those I'm null on

[unwnd]

One of these days I'm going to actually roll scum and savor being vibe read

[unwnd]

Yeah I agree with that re: tenet, mostly

I think for players who are so attuned to themselves that they pick up on their own idiosyncracies and apply them as either alignment can be a headache to deal with. When people start doing that, I then look out for some sort of discrepancy. I've been looking for those discrepancies in what I've penned as the 'meta chamber'. I think You/Ydra are especially really good at oscuring this. Pooky to some extent, but he can't really help himself. He usually gets caught in having too much fun as scum. Skitter however? Skitter doesn't really have those because she's plain in her speech which gives her more wriggle room.

[unwnd]

That's a good descriptor

But is her benevolence town

[unwnd]

I think I would be fine ending the day somewhere on Herta/Geran/Scol

[Would end day here]
Geran
Herta

@unwnd: What's the distinction you are making with Sco that puts him in a different category with skitter?

Scol is just the way he is. Everything I disliked about our exchanges sums up to him being an asshat, and asshats can still be town. Do I think he's town

for

being an asshat? Absolutely not. I don't want to excuse his behavior because I'd be really bitter if he were scum and started to think he fooled me by some theatrics. I'm not gonna let him think he's easily won my favor by being unapologetically himself.

[unwnd]

Like I said, if he gets himself killed you won't see me crying. I'd rather vote Herta/Geran with preference on Herta.

[unwnd]

I'm willing to take a chance on your reads IV

VOTE: Geraintm

[unwnd]

I will forever be at 'if he dies I won't be crying'

I just do think there is scummy behavior more than him

[unwnd]

I really should be voting Herta but my stupid ass is unhappy with some of the voters so I'm just kinda meh about it

[unwnd]

Have you really not had a town role PM since july pooks

Lmao

[unwnd]

BTW I am fine with hammering Scol

UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

Maybe just a little bit. That 'little bit' is not credible enough in my mind though. I think what went through my mind as the wagon formed on him is 'ok, who is bussing them' and I felt like the behavior surrounding his disposition made him out to be an island. Meaning, I didn't really see any potential scum mates either 1) distancing from him 2) trying to look better if he goes over.

[unwnd]

You can distance by lack of involvement. If gera went over then scum probably knows town will be looking at the wagon in some form. What's more-- does it look anyone is making a big case on gera? I followed IV's vote because I've liked his contributions for D1. Ironically, the only person who has made a big claim like that is Scol lol

[unwnd]

Hello Ydra

[unwnd]

I feel more annoyed than tired (not cause of you)

[unwnd]

I look at VCA and it annoys me

[unwnd]

Gera has his vote parked on herta
whom Herta is not even voting back
Meanwhile Scolosis 'believes herta/me/gera' is a team
and Herta is currently voting for Scol, completely ignoring Gera's vote entirely

[unwnd]

They all both kinda suck in retrospect

Gera's vote is literally from RVS
Herta was just sheeping pooky
Scol pulled a gera vote out of his ass after being pressured

[unwnd]

IC makes a fair point as I was just typing 'I'd like to flip herta'

I think Scol is the right move

[unwnd]

I don't really feel like rallying the troops when Scol is this close to elim personally

The constant shifting of VCA is what was annoying me

[unwnd]

Pooky still thinks herta is town for example

[unwnd]

I do like a good flip especially before 1k posts

VOTE: Scolosis

You can do a divine hammer if you want (before claim)

[unwnd]

Hammering before claim would be supremely based and funny

[unwnd]

Do it for the vine

[unwnd]

If you gave me specifics I'd be alright with debating you? You think that it's not unintuitive or anything so the question is yeah who?

[unwnd]

The paranoia about me is nice and all but I did say that I think you can distance by lack of involvement. This 'positioning' you're seeing is me just thinking about all the options because I'm a loser who cares

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I also have stupid theories in the back of my mind and this day was always ending between Herta/Scol/Gera for me because I think yes it's very very very very very likely there is scum there but it's not the big catches you know what I mean

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I am going to gym in 30 minutes

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You always scumread me

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I mean I think most of the games we've played are either

1) you scumread me
2) you are scum and you hands-off approach me

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Oh yeah of course I think it'd be funny and FL would be pissed about it

Even funnier, guilty as charged

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Ydra actually doing it is the punchline

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I'm not a chaotic scum I'm more a 'web of deceit' scum

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I'm about to leave right now thanks for reminding me IV

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I'm just telling you it's wrong and it's slightly irritating when I prioritize fun and laughs over tacit play because as much as I hate self-meta there is a bundle of games where as scum I play strictly business

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I'm not a chaotic scum I'm more a 'web of deceit' scum

That was actually directed at iv, not you @unwnd

I do think that egging on a hammer is at best anti-town even if it would be fun, and would be certainly be furthering scum-wincon in the event that scol is town

Whether or not you think it's fun or claim it's out of the scope of your meta it's not townie

K and what if scol is scum? I guess just bussing right

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Uh bub check his role

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Uh yeah yeah I'm here just sort of stuck in this permeating feeling of 'what's gonna happen next'

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I was hoping that I didn't really need much involvement and the day would just roll over on either Scol/Gera. I'm not pressed for which one I vote or hammer, and I think I don't have anything else I want to talk about presently.

Val's point about gera 'doing a hail mary play' is interesting, but there is another part nagging at me that Scol's silence is telling

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It's D1 sure but it'd be nice to vote mafia and I dunno if I think Gera/Scol are just partners who happened to get double wagoned

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Scoliosis [4]: KittyTacky, Dannflor, unwnd, Ydrasse

Squad

(Which one of you two is scum)

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Don't really think scum throws their entire team on gera is the point I'n making

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Maybe just a little bit. That 'little bit' is not credible enough in my mind though. I think what went through my mind as the wagon formed on him is 'ok, who is bussing them' and I felt like the behavior surrounding his disposition made him out to be an island. Meaning, I didn't really see any potential scum mates either 1) distancing from him 2) trying to look better if he goes over.

You can distance by lack of involvement. If gera went over then scum probably knows town will be looking at the wagon in some form. What's more-- does it look anyone is making a big case on gera? I followed IV's vote because I've liked his contributions for D1. Ironically, the only person who has made a big claim like that is Scol lol

It's D1 sure but it'd be nice to vote mafia and I dunno if I think Gera/Scol are just partners who happened to get double wagoned

Good thoughts from this guy

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I find it unlikely but it's not what I'm leading with regardless

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During the big sleep I had thoughts ranging from

1) Pooky is still probably town? I still feel good about Pooks even if he was sort of wedging gera at the end there. I felt like I believed his reason to abandon Dann/Scol and his frustration towards Scol (if not iterated already by me) didn't seem like a partner deal. Pooks probably overstepped a little and wanted to quantify a significant reason for what he saw in gera as potential scum. I dunno. I could just be giving pooks way more credit

1a) I was (am) still in contention with Pooky's read on Herta and I think his incessant wagonhopping without prior sleuthing is more damning than any potential meta he has on him. I've made the mistake of going 'but meta' and then you find out people aren't so inflexible that they won't slightly adjust their meta if it favors the situation. It's not just limited to certain players, but everyone. In summary, scum will play to survival instincts and I think Herta is

still

just trying to get through phases. His contribution is lacking and his weird phrasing and timings bother me more than think he's just some independent townie out in space.

2) IV at the end wasn't really splitting hairs but 'only doing this for policy reasons' felt a bit stilted. Felt more like something he feel like he could justify which makes me question my read on him a bit

3) I think about my own 'Scol's silence is telling' thought and that seems potent. KT going back to Scol though? Do I really want to deal with an obstinate player twice over. Gera died being stubborn and Scol is going to be even more stubborn. This is not me saying I changed my mind on Scol but I just feel like maybe it's a bit of a waste.

4) I am worried Ydra is not town with me this game D:

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I guess me saying 'I want to resolve Herta' and KT just hopping back on Scol makes me a hypocrite

I did mention Herta/Scol/Gera very likely having scum and I absolutely stand by that

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VOTE: Herta

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I'm a tad more paranoid about you IV but I feel like it's something I don't wanna get into until I have to

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Any idea who you think Scol's mates could be KT? Doesn't need to be exactly associative, I just want to know what your other scumreads are

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I have no reason to think Freedom is town but I think it anyways

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scoli + skitter + unwnd?

Reading this made me upset

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scoli + skitter + unwnd?

Reading this made me upset

when did you retire from big game hunting and take up fruit farming

I'm uncertain which season we're in between tigers/cats/british people

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I feel more hesitant to hunt there because I want individuals who I think help win games if town

To be town

I don't have enough reasons to go out of my way and focus there, Herta is fundamentally scummy

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Fucking love Jon Bois

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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm fine with him going over

VOTE: Scoliosis

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I actually was shocked that the votes he's gathered hasn't got him kicking and screaming more

That was why I wanted to focus on Herta, just didn't want to be yelled at lol

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Herta can be town if Skitter is not

This read is a bit out of the blue, but I've been slowly piecing things together