lolIn post 94, Invisibility wrote: wait greeting is a player and not a typo oh my god
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This readslist smells like bs.In post 132, Umlaut wrote: {Invisibility}
{patchwork, Black}
{Not Known 15}
{geraintm, Venmar, T3, Greeting}
{Malakittens, bristep123}
VOTE: Umlaut-
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I thinkMalakittensdeserves a townlean for the time being.
Reasons being:
- her meta in this game so far matches her usual town meta;
- she was put at E-1 in the first few pages of RVS, which I don't think is likely to happen for a scum member.
This wagon has got to have at least one scum in it, and I don't think that a scum team would want to put their teammate in danger.In post 89, Skygazer wrote:-
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I re-read their ISO and I get where your impression comes from. But this could very well be talkative town. I say this player needs to be evaluated later.In post 136, Invisibility wrote: y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.
VOTE: Bristep-
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Do you think that readslist can be defended?In post 233, T3 wrote: I didn't like how Greeting just said that "this readlist smells like bs" without explanation.-
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So you didn't like it when I explained myIn post 246, T3 wrote:
I didn't like how Greeting didn't get straight to the point with his read. It seemed like he used a lot of words to express what is basically a statement of fact.In post 240, Invisibility wrote:
wdym by this?In post 233, T3 wrote: framing his read on Mala like it was something bigger than it actually isMalakittensread, but when I didn't explain myUmlautread you also didn't like it?-
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In post 247, T3 wrote:
I think it can, and I also don't see how that's relevant to the discussion at hand.In post 244, Greeting wrote:
Do you think that readslist can be defended?In post 233, T3 wrote: I didn't like how Greeting just said that "this readlist smells like bs" without explanation.In post 303, Umlaut wrote: Not really, the people saying it was BS were at least partially right in that I just sort of threw that together without thinking too hard about it.-
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I think this wagon is worth pursuing, but it's not my only scumread as of now.In post 251, Not Known 15 wrote: Greeting, do you think Umlaut is scum?-
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Yeah, I thoughtIn post 304, patchwork wrote:
i don't feel like mafia would admit thisIn post 303, Umlaut wrote: Not really, the people saying it was BS were at least partially right in that I just sort of threw that together without thinking too hard about it. Something about Mala's posts thru 69 or so felt like writing a lot and acting engaged without really saying anything. It was and is a weak reason for a vote and I'm happy to move from it but didn't really have any better ideasUmlautcould get a town point for admitting it. But still, I honestly don't like the reads. I mean, puttingNot Known 15above null? I just don't really see it as warranted or justfiable. I also completely disagree with his evaluation ofMala.
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What vibes are you getting from them specifically?In post 334, geraintm wrote: I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.
I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.-
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Hot take, the entire scum team is in this pool of players: {Umlaut,T3,Not Known 15andbristep123}.
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Spoiler:
Like, someone tell me that this isn't two townies arguing with each other about irrelevant stuff.
Black's contributions are just written in a specific way. Some players like to organise and write their thoughts about the game going post by post and it's valid.
Venmardid put me in twice at that list, but I don't see it as a grave mistake given that the margin of error was me being a townread or a null-townlean.-
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I'm really not seeing it. I feel like this kind of excitement is usually a sign of towniness. Excessive posting from scum usually looks like shitposting.In post 453, geraintm wrote:
too excited player because they rolled scum and just want to keep on posting.In post 446, Greeting wrote:
What vibes are you getting from them specifically?In post 334, geraintm wrote: I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.
I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.-
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I'm kind of torn on this slot at the moment. I'm not townreading him, but he's also not my first choice for elimination today, and not even second. Maybe third or fourth.In post 456, Black wrote:
This is a pretty spicy take but I don't have any issues with it atm. I'm curious what your thoughts are on T3In post 447, Greeting wrote: Hot take, the entire scum team is in this pool of players: {Umlaut,T3,Not Known 15andbristep123}.
The rest all give varying degrees of town vibes.
I don't like the fact that he's not taking a proactive approach in this game, as I feel like this is how his meta usually looks like. I remember a game where I was scum and he was town, and I literally had to fight him off me as he was onto me for like most of Day 1. In this game, he's mostly hiding in the background and doing a good job avoiding any attention.
I disagree with his scumreads entirely, and his argumentation is, at times, inconsistent (394).
Nonetheless, there are some good things about this slot, most notably I like that he's continuing my train of thought onInvisibility(460), which is clearly calculated on exposinggeraintm's thought patterns on this obviously town slot.-
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My read ofIn post 461, T3 wrote:
I might have missed this, but how is that relevant in the quotes above and how does that change your read on Black?In post 451, Greeting wrote:Black's contributions are just written in a specific way. Some players like to organise and write their thoughts about the game going post by post and it's valid.Blackhas not changed in any way and she is a townlean for me, most notably because of her interactions withVenmar. My focus today lies elsewhere.-
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Don't claim unless someone announces intent to hammer.In post 464, Venmar wrote: Kind of curious how nobody has asked me to claim yet lol
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If we are to assume that the scums spread their votes, then I would suggest going afterIn post 550, Skygazer wrote:bristep123next.
The kill of Night 1 suggests either inexperience or an unconventional approach, which, in my opinion, fits into theN K 15/bristep123scumteam.
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I am not getting any town vibes fromIn post 586, Venmar wrote: Why is NK your vote? Do you think a scum like bristep parked on me while the Umlaut wagon was all town until NK came in with a scummy hammer?Not Known 15and I would be fine with him being eliminated today. He was in my original limpool and still is there.-
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I've already played with you and based on that meta you're not acting any differently.In post 598, patchwork wrote: also it's a little suprising that more people don't scumread me
like where did limbait patch go
am i just good this game????-
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Why would I kill someone who was in my limpool and, on top of that, suspected me the most out of all players?In post 609, patchwork wrote:
echoign venmar's night kill analysis: i think the t3 kill was done to either silence him (his top scumreads were greeting and mala) or to frame his scumreads (greeting and mala). at the moment i think it could be either, but i think the former is more likely. mostly because other players like bri also had scumreads on, say, greeting (correct me if i'm wrong, memory is fuzzy) and they weren't the subject of the nk.In post 604, Invisibility wrote: what about the NK makes you suspect Greeting? Also do you mean that the NK makes you suspect Mala also
man idk how to explain this
but it's like
t3 only
everyone else who scumread them wasn't (e.g me with my null-scum read on mala that hasn't gotten better, all the other ppl who scumread greeting)
and i think iut's because t3 wasn't really that voted on? like they were towny in my eyes and they were the only one who couldn't be eliminated by a hang in my eyes i jus tdon't think it wouldn't go through
In post 447, Greeting wrote: Hot take, the entire scum team is in this pool of players: {,Umlaut,T3Not Known 15andbristep123}.
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Not really keen on any of the top wagons, so I will be keeping my vote where it is for now.In post 666, Skygazer wrote:
I'm not exactly sure why the wagon disappeared in the first place. I've been asked why did I putNot Known 15on E-1, but maybe the question should be reversed. Why shouldn'tN K 15be eliminated today?
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So, have you analysed it yet?
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VOTE: bristep123In post 682, bristep123 wrote:
Hot take, killing t3 would allow you to make this exact argument. That’s a reason to kill him.In post 667, Greeting wrote:
Why would I kill someone who was in my limpool and, on top of that, suspected me the most out of all players?In post 609, patchwork wrote:
echoign venmar's night kill analysis: i think the t3 kill was done to either silence him (his top scumreads were greeting and mala) or to frame his scumreads (greeting and mala). at the moment i think it could be either, but i think the former is more likely. mostly because other players like bri also had scumreads on, say, greeting (correct me if i'm wrong, memory is fuzzy) and they weren't the subject of the nk.In post 604, Invisibility wrote: what about the NK makes you suspect Greeting? Also do you mean that the NK makes you suspect Mala also
man idk how to explain this
but it's like
t3 only
everyone else who scumread them wasn't (e.g me with my null-scum read on mala that hasn't gotten better, all the other ppl who scumread greeting)
and i think iut's because t3 wasn't really that voted on? like they were towny in my eyes and they were the only one who couldn't be eliminated by a hang in my eyes i jus tdon't think it wouldn't go through
In post 447, Greeting wrote: Hot take, the entire scum team is in this pool of players: {,Umlaut,T3Not Known 15andbristep123}.
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Many players just castIn post 694, Venmar wrote: Can we talk about Mala's vote for Umlaut btw?mehvotes on the most popular wagon if they find the choice acceptable. I've done it in the past as well. It doesn't necessarily point towards the player in question being scum.
And I'm saying this while I re-readMalakittens' ISO and I still don't believe that this is scum!Mala.-
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Rhetorical question.In post 697, patchwork wrote:
you ask me that like i knowIn post 667, Greeting wrote: Why would I kill someone who was in my limpool and, on top of that, suspected me the most out of all players?-
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Putting anyone at E-1 is not really a big deal unless we have Not_Mafia in the game or it's ELo.In post 752, Invisibility wrote:
that is respectable I am respecting thatIn post 750, Enchant wrote: Even then i know better than putting ppl at E-1-
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Here is where I stand with my reads as of right now:
Greeting
patchwork
Venmar
Invisibility
Malakittens
geraintm
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Yeah, I am townreading a lot of players, but honestly I tried reevaluating my reads and still came to similar conclusions. If the scum team is notEnchant/bristep123, then I would go afterBlack, who, upon re-reading isn't as towny as I previously thought.
Patchworkhas no reason to come after me if he is scum, because I will flip town and they would know it. Which is why I think they're town.-
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I have this thought at the back of my head that I might be totally underestimating someone, and townreading them due to confbias. The problem is I don't know who that could be as of this moment.-
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That's just the way I play mafia in general though?In post 925, patchwork wrote: greeting, the reason i scumread you is because you feel mostly non-commital and you feel like you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to look like you're doing things. i'm echoing venmar's NK analysis, because a kill on t3 definitely points to you. on top of that, i'm getting the same vibes here that i got from your scumgame
I'm sorry if you disagree with my reads. If I am the choice of lim for today, I am upholding them.
VOTE: Enchant-
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I'm sort of torn on this slot actually.In post 858, Black wrote: Can you explain your Invisibility read? What makes her less townie than patch and Venmar?Invisibilityposts a lot of content with a towny tone, but I can also see a lot of hesitation and indecisiveness. Lots of thinking out loud and posting theories which didn't really contribute to scumhunting in the game and could very well be content fillers. One time it's me andEnchantthat are the scumteam, now it's me andpatchwork. Last pages it seemed like she's just jumping on whichever wagon is popular at the moment. The vote shifts, however, are usually justified, and while the justifications are bad, they do seem like they might be coming from a townie.
I have felt pretty consistently aboutpatchworkandVenmarthroughout the whole game so far, and it hasn't really changed.-
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I meant they, was referring toIn post 884, Invisibility wrote:
who's "he"In post 846, Greeting wrote:Patchworkhas no reason to come after me if he is scum, because I will flip town and they would know it. Which is why I think they're town.patchwork.-
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No, it was because the predecessor of your slot was suspicious and you have done absolutely nothing to change it.In post 943, Enchant wrote: Was this because i called you mafia-
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I agree with that, hence whyIn post 946, Venmar wrote: Black is scum because:
- I've scumread Black pretty consistently this day because I feel like she's been around but hasn't actually contributed or engaged in actual concrete scumhunting herself, she just seems "present" and asking people questions or hopping wagons without doing much. STINKYBlackfell down my readslist so bad. She's kinda likeInvisibility, with regards to jumping around, except it doesn't seem like any of her votes had any justification at all. And there isn't a lot of consistent scumhunting patterns.
I read her analysis ofMala's ISO in 782, but it feels like she put in a lot of effort and nothing really came out of it. It's not uncommon for scums to make high-effort contributions like that just for the sake of being townread. And, quite honestly, I don't agree with the main premise, thatMalakittensis hard to read at all.-
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Can we just elim theEnchantslot today? Or can maybe someone convince me why we shouldn't?-
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Looks like I’ll be a compromise lim. Sadly, they are almost always town.
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Really? It seemed to me like you wanted this.In post 1027, patchwork wrote: sigh
i mean that was expected but enchant this really doesn't look good for you-
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Anyway, yeah I was town. Please killEnchantandbristep123, if you read their ISOs you will find that they contributed very little whatsoever.-
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...did you not read the posts where I outlined my reads or the post where I said that I am upholding them?In post 1029, patchwork wrote: i didn't want a hammer now.... i wanted to at least spend more time discussing
greeting, assuming you're town, what's your reads? who do you think we should lim tomorrow
and if you're scum i'll just do the exact opposite of what you say-
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As forMala, proceed with caution with regard to that slot. I know I had put her in as a townread, but I'm more inclined to move her to null... Her tone reads as townie, but she hasn't really done a lot. A possibility ofEnchant/Malakittensteam should be explored.-
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Feels like the quality of play has plummetted since Day 1 overall. I thinkpatchworkis town, just has poor reads. I would trustVenmarthe most out of all the players left. I wouldn't trust my scumreads norBlackat all. I generally uphold the rest of my reads.-
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As a last word, kinda sucks that town would pick to eliminate me over an obviously anti-town clown, but it is what is. Good luck.-
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Congratulations to the mafia, you guys played well.
Thank you for modding, Skygazer!
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