Mini Normal 2300: THIS GAME HAS A VIG [game over]

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44 posts so far. 4+4=8

Anyways, here is hoping to get run up quickly

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Setup:

- This game has day talk for all private threads.
- This game will have 9 town-aligned players and 2 mafia-aligned players.
- At least one player's role in this game is some form of a Vigilante.
- This game follows Normal Game Guidelines and uses Normal Game Natural Action Resolution.

The only thing we know is there's a vig (and a VT since it's a normal), there could be whatever other roles.

Also, Invisibility looks better already, 23 is not just saying I'm town but showing a process of using my followup posts to sort me.

UNVOTE: Invisibility
VOTE: Malakittens

Biggest wagon is best wagon

Sick moves bro.

VOTE: MALA

The only thing we know is there's a vig (and a VT since it's a normal), there could be whatever other roles.

Ok thank you for clarifying this

Knowing this, patch's VT claim feels a lot worse

Why?

VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

Something about this isn’t sitting right.
If you look at the sign up thread it looked like Patch and Black have some type of game hx. It looks like they are friends of some sort so them bickering on page 1 doesn’t really feel bothersome.

Now if they were to continue all game that would be a red flag imo, but right now, no.

However, you being super hung up on something like this early makes me feel like you are trying to make something out of a molehill into a hill.

VOTE: insibility

VOTE: Black

I sense an imbalance of genuineness between Black and Patchwork. Also 17 and 26 feel sorta like nothing posts. Like duh asking for clarification on things is normal but, is that it?

What are you expecting from me, realistically?
Do you want me to solve the game on page 1?

that would be helpful but I think that's not particularly feasible. But y'know take my vote as an open invitation to change my mind

Black’s sass is on point and I’m so here for it.

However the olive branch from invsibility feels odd. It’s almost like “I poked the wrong bear and I’m scared of backlash!”

im gonna cry i didnt mean to claim

The only thing we know is there's a vig (and a VT since it's a normal), there could be whatever other roles.

Ok thank you for clarifying this

Knowing this, patch's VT claim feels a lot worse

how

Feels weird, but I can’t exactly explain why.
It’s like a tone maybe. “I didn’t mean to claim”, but it’s like you knew you were claiming. Unless you aren’t “true” claiming.

Time shall tell.

black feels pretty towny tbh

Agree.

Invisibility’s analysis of Black’s genuineness feels odd and ironically not from a genuine place either.

Also evening! hope you’re all well.

I also agree with this. Already explained ^

44 posts so far. 4+4=8

Anyways, here is hoping to get run up quickly

OK LET ME GIVE YOU A HEAD START

VOTE: gera

just kidding,
If I didn’t actually have a solid scum read I’d continue, but in really want my vote on the blue bear.

VOTE: insibility

VOTE: malakittens

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btw mala is e-1 i think, let's not have a lolhammer

VOTE: malakittens

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btw mala is e-1 i think, let's not have a lolhammer

VOTE: malakittens

ur already voting them

Was I? I hoped we had ended day 1 already

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Holy cow folks, 4 times I tried to post that! This game is moving fast.

Also wtf was that fast e-1. Let’s not end the day in the first 10 hours please.

Why not? Better than 10 days time....

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NK right now, until we get more from them. Geraint with the fake hammer I do not like, plus his reaction to my questioning the speed of the wagon on Mala.

Also not sure why the notion of mass claiming is being put out there, feels like having the prs claimed and out there benefits scum more than town.

We've not played together before, indont think.

We are going tonget along just grand, aren't we!

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

I don't like Invisible posts.

Complaining about not moving the game forward when people aren't even all present is just....fake outrage. Saying they are doing it with less confidence....well by definition there is a 50% of anyone doing that.

Like, if you want to neg someone just do it better.

Naughty point for Invisibile

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[quorte=bristep123 post_id=13760464 post_num=123 time=1682803005 user_id=15025]
Holy cow folks, 4 times I tried to post that! This game is moving fast.

Also wtf was that fast e-1. Let’s not end the day in the first 10 hours please.

Why not? Better than 10 days time....

So the only options are 10 hours in or 10 days time? Odd reply.
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I clearly used the number 10 twice as repition, a standard technique when making points in any argument.

Finding my reply odd...like just get over yourself. Are you just trying hard to find something wrong with what I say for the sheer pointlessness of it, just so you can scum read me later.

Naughty point for you Bristep.

In fact VOTE: bristep

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

I don't like Invisible posts.

Complaining about not moving the game forward when people aren't even all present is just....fake outrage. Saying they are doing it with less confidence....well by definition there is a 50% of anyone doing that.

Like, if you want to neg someone just do it better.

Naughty point for Invisibile

pretending to be productive is more telling than just not being here

In a scum way?

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btw mala is e-1 i think, let's not have a lolhammer

VOTE: malakittens

Don’t u know that won’t work on me?

Why, are you unkillable or something?

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Are we going to troll this whole game or are we going to get srs ever??

I've given out 2 naughty points and tried to hammer, I am taking today 27 times more seriously than normal

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hi invis!
whats ur opinion on gerain
ill go first: i want them to take the game seriously because i think it's at a point where you can do that (we're far out of RVS), but i can't evaluate it as alignment indicative

My god I love this post.

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y'know what I don't like Bris. Their posts are either not moving the game forward or are just reiterating a point stated by someone else but with less confidence.

VOTE: Bristep

I don't like Invisible posts.

Complaining about not moving the game forward when people aren't even all present is just....fake outrage. Saying they are doing it with less confidence....well by definition there is a 50% of anyone doing that.

Like, if you want to neg someone just do it better.

Naughty point for Invisibile

Holy cow folks, 4 times I tried to post that! This game is moving fast.

Also wtf was that fast e-1. Let’s not end the day in the first 10 hours please.

Why not? Better than 10 days time....

So the only options are 10 hours in or 10 days time? Odd reply.

I clearly used the number 10 twice as repition, a standard technique when making points in any argument.

Finding my reply odd...like just get over yourself. Are you just trying hard to find something wrong with what I say for the sheer pointlessness of it, just so you can scum read me later.

Naughty point for you Bristep.

In fact VOTE: bristep

Hmm, bit of an overreaction to be honest and the underlying aggression I hope isn’t an honest reaction. Also aren’t you doing exactly what you accuse me of with your ‘naughty points’? Bit hypocritical, gives you a naughty point in return.

I didn’t like your reply, I say let’s not elim in 10 hours and you respond with a ridiculously long single alternative (repetition wasn’t the issue I assure you), like that was the intention of my post. It smacks of binary arguing and only scum deal in absolutes.

Definitely keeping my eye on you.

My post was aggressive? That wasn't aggressive, I assure you.

And you don't understand the laws of naughty points. You cannot give them back like that, once you have been awarded one you cannot hand one back. In fact, it bounces back and you now have 2.
Look, I don't make the rules, I'm just telling you how it is.

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Good vibes:

Malakitten
Gera
Greeting

Null vibes:

Greeting (kinda lean good)
Invisibility (kinda lean good)
Patchwork (kinda lean bad)

Bad vibes:

Umlaut
Black
Bristep

No way I should be awarded a good vibe.

Naughty point for you

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Good vibes:

Malakitten
Gera
Greeting

Null vibes:

Greeting (kinda lean good)
Invisibility (kinda lean good)
Patchwork (kinda lean bad)

Bad vibes:

Umlaut
Black
Bristep

No way I should be awarded a good vibe.

Naughty point for you

PING

Is this a good or bad ping, and for whom?

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hi invis!
whats ur opinion on gerain
ill go first: i want them to take the game seriously because i think it's at a point where you can do that (we're far out of RVS), but i can't evaluate it as alignment indicative

My god I love this post.

???

That you want me to tale this seriously

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VOTE: Greeting

I didn't like how Greeting just said that "this readlist smells like bs" without explanation. Greeting's explanation for why Mala should be townleaned in 206 was stating some obvious facts with no real insight, and then framing his read on Mala like it was something bigger than it actually is.

It is a day one read list. By definition every single one of them is pointless

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131 - I can't tell if geraintm is trolling here or really believes this. If the latter then this is pretty anti-town behavior

i'm not going to tell you....

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146 - I don't like this vote by geraintm. Feels kinda omgus to me

i cannot win. i make a serious vote and this is how people treat me.

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158 - this is how I feel about geraintm atm. I like that mala sees this too

we've not played together before. i'm a joy Day 1

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158 - this is how I feel about geraintm atm. I like that mala sees this too

we've not played together before. i'm a joy Day 1

Are you?
We played b4 together and I don’t remember it being this bad.

I have actuallynhad real thoughts about some players this game. I've interspersed that with plenty of clowning, but that is just me having fun

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I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

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I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

I think I am just a hyperactive person

i was curious was all what to expect from you

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Yeah, I thought

Umlaut

could get a town point for admitting it. But still, I honestly don't like the reads. I mean, putting

Not Known 15

above null? I just don't really see it as warranted or justfiable. I also completely disagree with his evaluation of

Mala

.

Also, I really dislike how the wagon on me appeared suddenly only when

Umlaut

reached E-2. Feels like a distraction.

There are only two scum, so if scum are coördinating to wagon you that makes me town.

VOTE: umlaut

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11:2 is mod-confirmed both in 1 and in the queue.

UNVOTE:

[geraintm]

11:2 is mod-confirmed both in 1 and in the queue.

I even looked and couldn't find it XD

Thanks

Same. I went....I don't remember seeing it being only 2 scum, best go check. And i failed to find too.

Sorry umlaut

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I think geraintm just flash-voting me for the 'slip' there is towny but not as convinced by Black calling it out because her whole musing about "maybe it's 2 scum, maybe it's 3" seems like it could be trying to sell people on her not knowing the setup. I know it sounds kind of like a bad incentive to start handing out more townpoints for naked-voting than for explaining oneself but it is what it is

i'll take those points.
always ascribe me points for idiocy rather than any grand plans.

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Damn, I guess you caught me, I'm scum

This reeks of too clever scum
VOTE: venmar

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NK and gerain look pretty scummy here imo

Why?

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Someone check me over tonight, otherwise people (looking above) are going to try and run me up for an easy elimination. I will come back clean and we can all move on with our lives

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If they turn out green, then everyone had a terrible reason to vote for them who was on thr wagon

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Man everyone who thinks I'm scum is either scum or dumb

"Townreading Gera was objectively and factually WRONG!!! YOU CANT DO THAT"

Like are you fr right now jesus christ

I was swaying on Venmar given the wagon and their frustration to the omgus cases, but then this happened and I’m comfortable again. It’s such a weird swingy reaction to NK and such a reduction to the point that it feels fake. Gives me an indication that the frustration is fake, at least in terms of the motivation behind it. Whether it’s scum frustration at being at e-1 or scum pretending to be frustrated as a defence, I’m happy with my vote.

yep, almost performative in their reactions.

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I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

What vibes are you getting from them specifically?

too excited player because they rolled scum and just want to keep on posting.

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Been out all day, out all day tomorrow watching sport.
I don't like thr Unlaut wagon. Might be because they think I'm town, but I ain't voting there.

I'd rather do this VOTE: invisibility

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Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

I hate this post, and most of what I have skimmed the last few pages.

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Patch do you got the Umlaut case ready

I hate this post, and most of what I have skimmed the last few pages.

can you explain what else you hate

You are way too wager to eliminate a slot I reckon is 90%+ to flip green. No one should be so happy. And encouraging others to go along on a doomed ride is bad.

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Briefly present to say hi

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Posting quickly .but I I want zero to do with a NK elimination

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I had a look at not known's posts.

Boy, their day 1 votes are bad.
And I just cannot see them as scum because they are that bad.

But their day 2....not much better.

I don't want to vote them though.

I realise the above makes no sense

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I had a look at not known's posts.

Boy, their day 1 votes are bad.
And I just cannot see them as scum because they are that bad.

But their day 2....not much better.

I don't want to vote them though.

I realise the above makes no sense

Any thoughts on others aside from NK/Enchant?

no, i popped in and saw that NK was top of the hit list so i thought i would look at them. it is a long bank holiday weekend here in the UK, so not been on here mouch

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@Invisibility

; What are your thoughts on Malakitten and Black?

noting

Can we talk about Mala's vote for Umlaut btw?

Many players just cast

meh

votes on the most popular wagon if they find the choice acceptable. I've done it in the past as well. It doesn't necessarily point towards the player in question being scum.

And I'm saying this while I re-read

Malakittens

' ISO and I still don't believe that this is scum!

Mala

.

im not one of those, just for info

Let's flashwagon someone

no

Flash wagon venmar with me??

bad

do you suspect anyone right now Black

this slot is the one i always seem to get pings from

Fuck. Now I feel bad

UNVOTE:

You're not useless Enchant I'm sry

this is bad

what if Greeting and Enchant are the scumteam and Greeting contrived a bad reason to elim Enchant cuz they viewed it as an inevitability due to the lolhammer since if Enchant had to explode then they could implicate Bristep with them? That would be funny. Bristep probably looked like an easy target. Could also be possible that Enchant is town here in this situation but I also don't like them for separate reasons. Either way I feel more betterer about where my vote currently is

see, posts like these just get my back up. i realise i am half looking for reasons each time i see their lttle blue face

Yay!

VOTE: Malakitten

see, didnt liek them up top and now this sucky vote

Why do you keep asking people what they think of me? You did it with patches and now Venmar

the you is invisibility, and yeah i can't stand that style of posting/argument building either. make your own decisions, not steal others.

Day 2 is not going well, we've got nothing to go on and we are going to end up drifting to a Green elimination.
i've not got mucht o add myself besides disliking Invisibiity and VEnmar

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

Yep, you just might be. But I think you are more likely than the average bear to be scum

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

Yep, you just might be. But I think you are more likely than the average bear to be scum

You being annoying doesn't mean you can't be scum

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I don't remember playing with Invisibility before, I don't remember thr picture.

I checked their profile and it says they are 18. Is this hyperactive posting normal for them? I would say it gives me weird vibes, but vibes are not something anyone should be using to find scum. That should just be down to any investigators.

Can you explain what weird vibes you get from hyper posting?

Been out all day, out all day tomorrow watching sport.
I don't like thr Unlaut wagon. Might be because they think I'm town, but I ain't voting there.

I'd rather do this VOTE: invisibility

Also, could you elaborate on why you didn't like the Umlaut wagon here? Your reason is that he townreads you, I'm just curious about that

Umlaut's reaction to their wagon came across as strong town. I was making it clear I was never going to join that wagon and thought it would flip green. I recognised I might have been a tint bit biased as they thought i was town:)

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I was proved right about Umlaut turning out to be green btw

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I was proved right about Umlaut turning out to be green btw

Well yeah, but if you're scum then that doesn't really mean anything does it?

Were there any other reasons why you townread Umlaut besides his reaction to his own wagon?

VOTE: umlaut

Lowkey don’t vibe wi venmar scum

ok there are three. for now, i will let my vote rest on umlaut. explanation coming later because i have work to do. it'll probably be sloppy though and mostly consist of quoted posts in a spoiler tag VOTE: umlaut

Those had been the last 2 cotes for umlaut, I didn't like them, the whole wagon (like all day 1 wagons) had nothing behind it. They hadn't been caught, they weren't scummy and their reaction to me sealed their greenness

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what if you just think I'm annoying Gera

Yep, you just might be. But I think you are more likely than the average bear to be scum

You being annoying doesn't mean you can't be scum

blurrghh yeah you have points that aren't about how I talk lol. But like, your reads on me seem to be probably influenced by my posting style which is like, just how I post. You seem to be aware if this though so whatevs. Also I think you're annoyed in a town way like it's not scum trying to make something out of nothing it's just genuine town feels emotions etc.

I dislike intensly everytime you ask for other people's opinions on someone, I find it an awful style that can be used to excuse your own actions

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Ngl I think there was one scum on the umulat wagon and probably one scum off the wagon.

thisis very simplistic surface thinking. anyone could say this

yeah okay I can sleep at night with that

that's cool i guess?

@Invisibility

; What are your thoughts on Malakitten and Black?

noting

Yay!

VOTE: Malakitten

see, didnt liek them up top and now this sucky vote

I don't understand most of your posts including this. I was voting Mala before I asked Invis anything lol

? posts don't agree with that, the Q was 700, the vote 735?

btw mala wagon isn't going anywhere so VOTE: greeting

Naughty point for you

Today is going to end in another Green mis-vote, we should all just accept that now and move on with our lives. We've got nothing going on and are not going to go anywhere successful either.

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Today is going to end in another Green mis-vote, we should all just accept that now and move on with our lives. We've got nothing going on and are not going to go anywhere successful either

I don't really like this defeatism

I don't like it either. But it is realistic

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? posts don't agree with that, the Q was 700, the vote 735?

I was voting Mala the whole time, voted Black very briefly and hopped back on Mala when Invis joined.

Your logic is so busted, asking someone about their thoughts about a player is normal behaviour from town trying to solicit votes for their scumreads.

Just fucking vote me already

Then I didn't go back far enough to see you were already voting for them before you voted for them.

Asking for people's thoughts on another player is not the same as trying to convince others with your logic that they are scummy. The first is wishy washy and can lead to players following other people with votes and excusing their actions

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Gera should vote me if he thinks I'm scummy. Dude is sitting here not voting anyone nor contributing while shading and being defeatist. Like be useful, like voting me or something

I've not got any strong reason to vote anyone today, joining a wagon for zero good reason just for thr sake of it to me is bad.

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Gera should vote me if he thinks I'm scummy. Dude is sitting here not voting anyone nor contributing while shading and being defeatist. Like be useful, like voting me or something

Yeah I agree here

I agree too I am mot being useful, but I am not going to replace that with being harmful by voting any old wagon

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I don't like it either. But it is realistic

I disagree. Is it likely we lim green today? Yeah. Should we just accept that we're gonna lim green today and give up? Fuck no

You say "nothing is going on" and "we're not going anywhere successful"...maybe you should do something then? Instead of just accepting defeat and sitting there waiting for the day to end, put some effort into the game

it is hard to do anything productive, hard to make yself put in effort. just being honest.

i don't really have any scum reads, just snarkiness

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I think Gera is more anti-town than scum tbh but I've never played with him before so idk if this is typical

this is typical

I've had enough paranoid thoughts about Patch and Invis as well to basically have no strong townreads anymore and I think you're all scum. Game is going to break me.

Do you wanna shake the Invisibility tree together and see what falls out?

see, this is why i think we are all out of ideas. people are just trying to drum up support to wagon someone and see what happens. either we get a VT claim and they will get eliminated, or expose a town role which is bad.

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Gera is very likely town. Like people are saying he's useless (including Gera himself lolz) but I think his posts show genuine gamesolving. I also like 863 since the argument used against Venmar is similar to Gera's argument against me which shows a consistent thought process and way of viewing things and stuff. The defeatism is a little BORING but I think it comes from town here. Okay thinking about it I guess it could have scum intent cuz like we might be in a fertile ground for apathy what with everyone being like "bleh I can't read nobody " but nah that's not really that likely cuz I think for scum that's too high risk without a worthwhile reward unless you single-handedly kill the towns morale lol

hint: if i am scum i become really, really obvious as the game goes on.

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VOTE: Black

Even I can spot that this vote doesn't count

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Daykill: Venmar

factcheckers get on this. Real or fake?

Is this post real?

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i think people must not know me as town.
i am hesitant to vote, i can usually spot wagons that are going to end green and will say i won't vote there.
but i rarely have strong opinions about who is scum, certainly without something to back it up which i didn't have at the time. i am not going to sit there and save someone and just push onto a random other wagon - if nothing people should be able to spot that would be so out of character for me as town.

Damn, I guess you caught me, I'm scum

This reeks of too clever scum
VOTE: venmar

btw, that was my vote on venmar. it was almost certainly me trying to end day 1 quickly and pushing at the longest wagon.

if i am lone scum left, then you'll be able to work it out quickly because i will panic

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I mean have we got nothing else to go on that everyone is relying on vca?

Invis I’ll save you some bother, I shot patch.

VOTE: Gera that defence would be stronger if you hadn’t made the exact same early “I am panicky if I’m scum” claim in another recent game where you were actually scum.

And I was, and I was caught. Was just lucky I had a partner who was much better than me

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I never was happy with patch, the first post ‘slipping’ their role locked them into having to play as a bit ditsy, any time they came under scrutiny they started apologising for their play or content, and all the speculation was vague or they would say ‘maybe i dunno’ and not fully commit. I think in the of the reveal I assume they were trying to mislead us with their wagon analysis - setting up strings to tug on later.

It’s definitely

v

ery

i

nteresting

g

iven the fact that greeting was on T3’s list and this being highlighted immediately before greetings post.

Just for disclosure I did a crappy crumb as well, just for fun.

im trusting this claim, see no reason to doubt it.

Tbh I think Enchant is just scum based off of the hammers and their play. Gera and Enchant are both scum or town for how they play I think we just yeet the one making the bad hammers first

i've gone with the "scum would not be that scummy" on them. i could be wrong and they were hoping Patchwork could slide under the radar and they could go Good SCum/Bad Scum, but i cannot see myself voting for Enchant today under most circumstances.

these are Patch's votes

ok there are three. for now, i will let my vote rest on umlaut. explanation coming later because i have work to do. it'll probably be sloppy though and mostly consist of quoted posts in a spoiler tag VOTE: umlaut

Just this one on day 1 i believe

that's a weird kill and nk that hammer was fucking horrible VOTE: NK

opening day 2

VOTE: Greeting

wait wrong person VOTE: Mala

that is weird as anything

btw mala wagon isn't going anywhere so VOTE: greeting

thats it, thats all they have voted

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i have no idea what that means. votes on Greeting and Umlaut were on Green.

leaves Enchant (NK) and Mala.

- geraintm - never voted
- bristep123 - never voted and assumed Green
- Invisibility - never voted
- Malakittens - voted
- Enchant - voted
- Venmar - never voted

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explain why please

I've re-evaluated my townread on her. I feel like she hasn't really done anything I can remember and I feel like I've given her a mental pass till now and would like to add a bit of pressure if possible.

Plus I took a quick look at T3's ISO cause I feel like there must've been a reason for him dying and his main scumreads were Greeting, Mala and Umlaut/Bris in that order of strength? Could've been a random NK or could've been silenced to take some pressure off of Greeting or Mala and I kinda like Greeting more but I'd like to pressure both. Latter feels more plausible than misdirection since NK15 or I probably felt like the obvious D2 pushes anyway.

I'm probably trying to overthink this idk?

oh, no, that makes sense
imo about the nk i think it's more likely to be greeting than mala but i think pressuring mala would be good too.

this was Patch's post just before their vote on Mala

VC 2.03

Not Known 15

(2): Invisibility,

Greeting

Malakittens

(2): Venmar,

patchwork

Venmar

(1): Not Known 15

Greeting

(1): bristep123

Not Voting

(3): Malakittens, geraintm,

Black

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to put a player on the blocking chop. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2023-05-16 09:40:00).

added in colours, but that was the Vote Summary soon after.
Scum could have joined the Not KNown/Enchant wagon - but didn't.

going to go see if they mentioned Not Known much before hand.

imo i think there's probably one scum one off, the venmar wagon built way too quickly and i dont' like how nk hammered before i could even start my case on umlaut.
sigh. from now on can we agree to announce intent to hammer when someone's at e-1?

there was this (most of the posts between this and the vote for Mala are fluff) which is setting up potential vote for NK which doesn't come.
instead, the next real opinion Patch has is the one just before the vote on Mala where they are tossing up between Mala and Greeting (who will flip Green). So Scum Patch progression was

• didn't like Not Known/Enchant's hammer
  trying to decide between Mala and Greeting on who to blame for the night kill
  settles on Mala over Greeting (green)

I am trying to work out why SCum PAtch would be setting up Enchant and Greeting for elimination and picks Mala

[geraintm]

- geraintm

- bristep123

- Invisibility
- Malakittens
- Enchant
- Venmar

These are the players left alive. I am greening myself and Bris.

I think i want to make Mala green too, i think they picked Greeting and Mala as both townies to go after. if Mala was scum, patch went the long way around it.

So i would want to eliminate today within Invis, Enchant and Vemar

[geraintm]

blah blah blah

you die, venmar die THEN maybe invisibility die

Town win. see ya


That's it.

I'm reallymconfused. I didn't post 1107?

[geraintm]

That vote count for NK ignores the fact that it was previously at e-1 and Patch voted for NK in their first post of day 2, the mala vote was a switch later on the back of Black taking the wagon away from e-1 and Venmar pitching a mala wagon.

is this in response to my quoting VC 2.03?

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

see ya

I’d ask for more explanation but I know that won’t happen.

Gera that is e1, I can’t remember if you’ve claimed already but please do.

there is no claim from me.

bristep - your vote on me seems based mainly on "vibes" and how i have behaved similar to another game where i was scum. in actualiality, because i said the same thing about my play style in that game. has my actual play style been the same though?

VC 1.19

Umlaut

(6):

Greeting, Black

, Venmar,

patchwork

, Malakittens, Not Known 15

Venmar

(3): bristep123,

Umlaut, T3

Not Known 15

(1): Invisibility

Invisibility

(1): geraintm

Not Voting

(0):

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to accidentally disassemble a player. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-05-09 12:20:00).

Mod notes: brb killing Umlaut

ngl I think the last scum might be off the umlaut wagon. Which means {Bris/blue squirrel/gera}

I could see it being gera. Theres been a lot of posts by gera that I don't like. Gera kept saying that he "townread" both Greeting/Umlaut, but he never actually did anything that remotely could save them.

VOTE: gera

illexplain more in a bit

this is mala's vote, and their problem seems to be i didn't do enough to save 2 players i thought were town.
but also a promise to explain more which hasn't come.

i have responded about the not defending thing, and i have tried to respond to Bris's thought that i am behaving the same in this game as another when i was scum.

if you do eliminate me, it is a weak one with no effort.

[geraintm]

Gera my vote on you is simple.
You hardcore defended two players who flipped town, but you gave zero effort or even a post to try to counter them other than "its gonna be green". it felt like tmi

i didnt hardcore defend them as town, i just said they would flip green. hardcore would have been making an effort to actualyl save them as you said i didnt - and i didn't.

if you are town, then i can understand you only have a few places you could possibly vote and i am one of them.

what are your plans for when i flip green.
i assume you are sorting out what the vig should do tonight (i am assuming they are going to die, but i wonder if scum is concenred that they need to go after other town power roles who are more likely to catch them?)

[geraintm]

well, prepare to be disappointed.

oh, i assumed people would want to at least discuss it, but you do you.
i dont think ive ever been a vig. SK once.

but, they managed to find scum with their first shot so i guess they get free reign the rest of this game.