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No chance in hell we read this entire thing before the deadline so we're just gonna read from post 1000 onward. Anything anyone needs from us before that?
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Spoiler: 1000-1100Spoiler: 1100-1200
Anyways I'm just gonna sheep Black here, pretty sure she's town and her reads are usually on point
VOTE: Cook
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Ok I've read 1200 onwards, my brain is mush and I have no opinions on anything said during that time period
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null town, haven't seen anything really townie or scummy from you from what I've read. I don't like your 1284 and 1313 but I think you'd be aware enough as scum to not be blatantly PR hunting like this in threadIn post 1352, iamveryhappy wrote: flower what are your opinions on me, not just looking at post 1117
take a break but
you may answer me later but just get it answered
well it's definitey better than 2120 kek
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Is that 1-shot bulletproof ungated rolecop, 1-shot rolecop ungated bulletproof, or 1-shot bulletproof 1-shot rolecop?In post 1363, Cook wrote:
fineIn post 1361, Ausuka wrote: At this point i'm probably just waiting for cook to claim lole
1-shot bulletproof rolecop
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Setup spec wise if you're real it'd imply either 3+ scum or in the 2 scum case it'd imply negative utility town PR, Ascetic Mafia/Roleblocker/some other way to prevent you from getting results, or you're the only town PR. I don't buy the claim.
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Wait you thought it was 10/3 but 1-shot bulletproof Rolecop + 2x Masons would make the game unbalanced? Masons should have been possible from your point of view, it'd only be nonsense in 11/2 (And even then it could work depending on Mafia PRs)In post 1378, Cook wrote:
part of the reason i called BS on italiano's claimIn post 1377, iamveryhappy wrote: I even have a 14p game that has a 3v11 setup, this should be 3v10
on prs here I do agree the cook pr seems a bit too op, should be balanced by making other prs weaker
how many prs do we have here is the real question
I'm guessing three
how do I know this
I make setups and am p good at them
like look there in the future
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Yeah, that's roughly balanced for 10/3 with either full Goon (So that you're mostly useless if it'sIn post 1380, Cook wrote: that's two townies who can communicate plus a rolecop who doesn't need a prot role to stay alive, right?onlyyou + Masons) or Roleblocker/1-shot Strongman (So that mafia can deal with you claiming)
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It'd depend on the scum roles I think, if scum have obviously scummy roles like Strongman/Ninja it'd be pretty decentIn post 1385, Ausuka wrote: Is rolecop actually a powerful role, though
I really don't think it is
1-shot bp is a bit stronger but mostly the role just seems *weird* rather than overpowered
UNVOTE: Cook
I don't like the claim, I don't like the explanations, consider my vote spiritually here until I have time to read the first ~15 pages tomorrow to see if what Cook's talking about here makes sense with the Mason reaction and the "Oh scum on my wagon know something about me"
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VOTE: Cook
The "Scum know something about my wagon" only works if scum are Informed that you are a PR in which case even in a basically vanilla scum game you thinking 1-shot bp rolecop + 2x Mason vs Informed Mafia in 10/3 is somehow townsided makes negative sense and it also makes negative sense for scum to try to wagon a PR instead of just shooting you at night. At a bare minimum either the "Scum know something" or the Mason overreaction isn't genuine.
Ausuka I don't think it actually matters at this point if the game could be balanced around a town 1-shot bp rolecop because the explanation given after the claim is scummy af and she's probably not getting any useful results. I think Cook being a Mafia 1-shot bp rolecop is pretty likely
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Also design-wise even if town 1-shot bp rolecop can be balanced how would you even get to the idea of it instead of something more normal? Like you'd start with
Then you have to give the Rolecop a scummy role to find so maybe Roleblocker or Ninja
So to make the Ninja do stuff we'd then add a Watcher or Tracker
From here I don't see the logical progression to making the Rolecop 1-shot BP. There's no role or modifier there that makes me go "Oh yeah then make the rolecop 1-shot BP to make the setup make sense"
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In post 1427, Asri Teroka wrote:
No, rolecops can be town. It is one-shot, and the bp one-shot. Sure not a useful role and town might have neglected to mentioned the bp aspect and maybe made their role more appealing to draw the NK.In post 1403, ItalianoVD wrote: Oh bulletproof rolecop claim from Cook? That’s like the most mafia role you can claim.
I’m not good with mechanics so I’m not gonna try to figure out anything out. I don’t think the claim changes much for me because of the fact it is a very scum-oriented role, both of them actually.
Cook will be a simple slot to resolve in the future though, this one isn't sure why everyone keeps piling on there.
The rolecop is ungated, only the BP is 1-shotIn post 1370, Cook wrote:
i survive one nightkill, and i can check people at night to see their role (but not alignment)In post 1368, Flower wrote:
Is that 1-shot bulletproof ungated rolecop, 1-shot rolecop ungated bulletproof, or 1-shot bulletproof 1-shot rolecop?In post 1363, Cook wrote:
fineIn post 1361, Ausuka wrote: At this point i'm probably just waiting for cook to claim lole
1-shot bulletproof rolecop
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Do you actually think this is a realistic possibility over the way likelier chance that it's a vig game with scum!cook? If not why are you letting her get a chance to rolecop town when she's pretty obviously scum?In post 1434, Ausuka wrote:I mean you would need a strongman I think
I imagine you would just add roles that the strongman would be useful against and then go "lol let's make the rolecop bp"
I guess this is all just speculation
Also the point wasn't that you can't make town 1-shot bp rolecop but that in order for that setup to happen you either start with the premise of "I want a Town 1-shot BP Rolecop" and work the setup around it (Weird) or you implement 1-shot bp and strongman at the same time (Weirder because why bother instead of just making it no bp no strongman)
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How likely is Cook flipping green in your eyes?In post 1447, Ausuka wrote: I mean, it's just an example. I'm not saying the setup has to be exactly that, I'm saying it's possible for the role to exist in a setup built around a town rolecop. I think the possibility cook is town and we can get utility is more important than a mafia rolecop shot which is like, not great for us but ultimately I don't think it's that big of a deal
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Ok then how about we flip Cook for being obvscum and go solve the game from there?In post 1449, Ausuka wrote: Maybe like 50/50? She's certainly suspicious and I think is considerably >rand scum but it's hard to be sure about anything on d1 and people who don't make sense flip town sometimes
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In a setup where Town 1-shot BP Rolecop makes sense there's also very likely other mid to low power investigative roles like Tracker/Watcher/Weak Visitor/Backup/WhateverIn post 1458, KatyKimFanClub wrote: Is it possible Cook would be our only investigative role? I personally don't think we should vote for her because it might be really hard to find scum this game.
Just vote Cook thenIn post 1478, ItalianoVD wrote: This is why I prefer dayplay over mechanics.
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btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results
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In post 1494, Asri Teroka wrote:
Ausuka feels good and doesn't necessarily think Cook is giga scum, you misrepresent.In post 1492, Flower wrote: btw since I've seen basically nothing from T3 what's the case there? I find it pretty sus that Invis and Ausuka both think Cook's gigascum and then vote the biggest counterwagon instead just cause they want Rolecop results
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T3 can be town.
Invisibility and ItalianoVD have high team equity.In post 1448, Flower wrote:
How likely is Cook flipping green in your eyes?In post 1447, Ausuka wrote: I mean, it's just an example. I'm not saying the setup has to be exactly that, I'm saying it's possible for the role to exist in a setup built around a town rolecop. I think the possibility cook is town and we can get utility is more important than a mafia rolecop shot which is like, not great for us but ultimately I don't think it's that big of a deal
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Yeah ISOing T3 they're a lurker and I'm fine with leaving them for laterIn post 1449, Ausuka wrote: Maybe like 50/50? She's certainly suspicious and I think is considerably >rand scum but it's hard to be sure about anything on d1 and people who don't make sense flip town sometimes
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I'd prefer a Cook lim today but I wont say no to an Ausuka lim, you've got my EOD compromise vote thereIn post 1522, Black wrote: Ok so when I checked in yesterday I missed that Cook claimed
Why is no one seeing how scummy Ausuka is posturing around this flip? Before Cook even claimed Ausuka was talking about letting the Cook slot resolve itself even though Ausuka clearly thought the slot was scummy. Ausuka has been riding the fence on this flip for days now. She knows Cook is going to flip town and that's why she has been so reluctant to hop on
People that are saying "oh Ausuka feels good" or "Ausuka feels town". No shit. Players that are good at this game are generally going to feel like they're town when they're scum
If no one wants to help me lim Ausuka then I'll figure out what to do with my vote before the deadline hits
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Can we just kill Cook already? Ausukas post claim reactions make sense with being Backup Watcher so I don't want that lim anymore and I trust the low power 5 billion restrictions on when you can PR from Italiano way more than I do Cook's gigarole when both would serve the same purpose in the game
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It makes Ausukas posting make more sense, if she's scum she would have had to be preparing it since 1390. That's good enough for me to leave it for later when Cook's gigascumIn post 1572, Black wrote:
You actually believe this claim?In post 1566, Flower wrote: Can we just kill Cook already? Ausukas post claim reactions make sense with being Backup Watcher so I don't want that lim anymore and I trust the low power 5 billion restrictions on when you can PR from Italiano way more than I do Cook's gigarole when both would serve the same purpose in the game
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It's less anything to do with Ausuka specifically and more that town!Cook makes negative sense and I'm not cool with people letting scum!Cook drift by.In post 1578, Black wrote: I can't believe you all are cool with scum Ausuka just drifting right by you
Outside of the Ausuka/Cook interactions what makes you think Cook is town?
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It's a combination of the role being scummy (Like compare 1-shot BP Rolecop to Odd Night Neopolitan) and the attempt to justify the claim after the fact wrt the Mason reaction and the "Scum on my wagon know something" feeling like something that was thought of after the fact instead of being genuine in 1378 and 1384In post 1583, Black wrote:Did I miss why you think Cook is so scummy? What makes the Cook lim better than an Ausuka one?
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To clarify I haven't read pretty much anything before 1000 outside of people quoting/directing me to posts so I'm pretty sure I missed most of the Ausuka/Cook interactions you're talking about
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Balance-wise Italiano locktown, Cook lockscum, Ausuka the claim is passableIn post 1595, KatyKimFanClub wrote: What do we think of the relative power level of the three roles claimed? Everything is conditional on something it seems.
Ausuka can be scum but I don't see a world where Cook is town and if Cook's trueclaiming that implies a vig that could be shooting with good info instead of wasting time doing nothing when Cook's BP after an Ausuka flipIn post 1591, Black wrote: I think there is at least one scum in the two and if you can somehow convince me it's not Ausuka I would be impressed
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If Ausuka's scum she's fakeclaiming here. Even a straight up Watcher is pretty unusual for scum, a Mafia Backup Watcher that procs off a Town Watcher makes negative sense (Like yeah it's possible to make it a workable setup but I'd give that Four Question Marks out of Normal on the weirdness scale)In post 1601, Black wrote: I wanna say though that I think Ausuka's role makes sense as a scum role depending on the setup. I could be wrong but I think making it so the scum team gets an investigative role like that after the town version dies is pretty funny design. Depending on the other roles I feel like it could make sense balance-wise turning a goon into a PR
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Combination of him just doing his own thing outside of the Cook wagon that makes him feel unpaired (esp. the happy vote in 1440 that pretty obviously isn't going anywhere) and the claim being the most believable of the bunch. There's an element of pre-flip association with Cook in that read but even if she flips green I feel decent about himIn post 1606, Black wrote: Ok. So why do you think Italiano is locktown?
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What's going to happen is that scum are just going to claim roleblocked or call a random townie vanilla and keep the actual results in the PT, stop being so copbrained and just lim scumIn post 1608, Asri Teroka wrote: This one is still against limming any investigative claim on the first day. Going for the backup is a half measure, but at this point this one sees no other compromise.
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If town has a 1-shot BP Rolecop then it makes negative sense setup wise for scum to have an Odd Night Neopolitan, if anything you'd expect it to be the other way around. If you think Italiano's trueclaiming he shouldn't be the lim until Cook gets flippedIn post 1631, fireisredsir wrote: ok im here
i think italiano is most likely scum of the three, i don't believe his claim
one point that idk if its been brought up but
if cook is town then having a town bulletproof rolecop means that basically anyone who claims after is probably going to be trueclaiming, i would expect? so i don't see why ausuka or italiano would be likely to fakeclaim here, i guess unless they thought it was the only option to prevent their own lim, and are just hoping the claim can buy them time to get a lim on cook. that seems fairly unlikely to me
and of those two claims i think odd night neapolitan sounds more likely to be a scum role than backup watcher
i guess it's possible cook is scum and both ausuka and italiano are town?? but idk i think italiano is scum either way, regardless of the alignment of other two
Regardless of alignment I don't lie about mech if I think someone might correctly contradict me. I know Invis/Black/happy from previous games so for that to be happening here I'd need to be scum with happy and also have assurance that the rest of the playerlist wont contradict me so probably at bare minimum Ausuka as wellIn post 1636, fireisredsir wrote: i am also kinda confused about why black says she is willing to trust flower here
flower feels like they're twisting mech for agenda purposes to me
idk how limming cook here makes the most sense ever mechanically, even if you scumread her
The lim is only bad for town if Cook is town, it's negative utility to keep a bp scum rolecop that'll lie about results and can't get vigged aliveIn post 1660, fireisredsir wrote:
like if you genuinely had this thought prior to just nowIn post 1657, Black wrote: I thought about that because I feel like Cook is the type of role that scum really want limmed. If she's town and telling the truth then they have to lim her. Flower is pushing awfully hard for the lim
then how does it follow that flower is good at mech
if scum really want to elim cook if she's town. and you were thinking about that. then doesn't that mean, without taking a read of cook into account, the lim is bad for town? and so it would be bad mechanically? and so the option that flower is pushing for may not actually be ideal?
Preferred lims for me are Cook >> Ausuka >>>>> Italiano and it's pretty dumb that over half the playerlist can agree that Cook's just scum here and then also be too afraid to vote her just cause she claimed Rolecop. More votes on Cook again please
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You think Scum Odd Day Neopolitan in a Town 1-shot BP Rolecop game makes sense? Feels like there's a lack of scum power in that setupIn post 1688, Ausuka wrote: I don't really think Italiano bring scum neapolitan makes zero sense setup wise
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Yeah but in that case to make the setup work it'd be even swingier than what Cook being real by herself would already imply since there'd be some do everything gigarole for scum to make it workIn post 1690, Ausuka wrote:
It doesn't make sense if that's the only scum pr but why would that be the caseIn post 1689, Flower wrote:
You think Scum Odd Day Neopolitan in a Town 1-shot BP Rolecop game makes sense? Feels like there's a lack of scum power in that setupIn post 1688, Ausuka wrote: I don't really think Italiano bring scum neapolitan makes zero sense setup wise
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Still swingy because it depends on keeping your Strongman alive until you can kill the Rolecop and also gives no indication of who needs to get Strongmanned without another scum investigative role, if they get limmed before then then town would be in a really good spot since at that point the 1-shot BP may as well be ungatedIn post 1692, Ausuka wrote: Not really? Scum just need a gated strongman and it's fine
The problem with the BP rolecop isn't that it's inherently broken, it's not especially if scum have roles like neapolitan which really aren't scum indicative
The problem is that having a BP investigation role is like pretty fundamentally unfun without mafia counterplay and I doubt it gets passed
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Can we get a list of people willing to flashwagon Cook here instead? I'm here at the deadline
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Italiano, Hu Tao, Black, Invis, Happy, KKFC, I've seen y'all post in times that indicate y'all should be available before the deadline and seen y'all express interest in a Cook lim. Can I interest you in a Cook flashwagon?
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With me voting Cook and Ausuka also being willing to vote there that'd be 8 votes if all y'all agreed, we only need 7 for a lim
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We're letting scum get away? LameIn post 1703, Black wrote: @Flower, Cook is not happening today
VOTE: Ausuka
Go hammer this Black Italiano is town
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We're confident as scum yeah but we also tend to be confident as town too, don't think it's AI for usIn post 1705, Black wrote: This kind of confidence from you kinda reminds me of Fire & Ice...
As long as you didnt roll scum we're goodIn post 1706, Black wrote: I hope you didn't replace into a scum slot Flower. I much prefer when we're on the same team
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I don't think you flip red here, I just think ItalianoIn post 1708, Ausuka wrote: Et tu flowerdefinitelyflips green though and I don't want to risk that going through when he's already E-1
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Any thoughts about how the Cook wagon dissipated and if there's scum there that contributed to that on wagon/on the sidelines?In post 1711, Ausuka wrote: I actually think on my wagon only black has actually tried to like case me as scum and the rest are just sheeping her for some reason / survival votes
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VOTE: Hu Tao
You know if we're flashwagonning we can still lim Cook
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She's never getting nightkilled with the 1-shot BP + the sus on her and her being able to prove she's a rolecop doesn't matter since the issue is if she's a Mafia Rolecop and not whether she's a Rolecop in the first place. Any result is probably going to be either Vanilla from someone who hasn't claimed or just confirming the roles from Ausuka/Italiano and if we're limming her d2 instead we get pretty much the same relevant information as we would from Italiano.In post 1723, Black wrote:Don't you agree that if Cook is town then scum really want her limmed today? You'll probably answer with "no way Cook is town" or something but if you consider for a split second that she is, wouldn't her lim be really bad?
Most likely people to get Rolecopped by Cook N1 are Flower/Ausuka/Italiano which would only be useful info if scum!Ausuka is fakeclaiming Backup Watcher but in that case the only reason to prepare that claim and use it is if she's partners with Cook in which case Cook will either lie to confirm Ausuka or just say she checked Flower/Italiano/Random Person
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Like this cost-benefit analysisdoesrequire trusting that I'm town but in the town!Flower case it's fine to basically treat Cook as just Bulletproof without the Rolecop nightplay wise if we're not leaving her alive until at least d3/d4
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Can't believe you didn't include me in the last team as well, so rudeIn post 1851, Asri Teroka wrote:
The current scumteams are ausuka/fire/flower flower/fire/cook ausuka/happy/flower and invisibility/Hu Tao/ItalianoVd and anyone who doesn't agree with that is a beautiful human beingIn post 1843, Ausuka wrote: I think of my wagon asri is probably the only one who I actively think is town
I'm sure people are going to suspect them for constantly changing their reads and acting like anyone who doesn't agree with {current scumteam here} is an idiot and I don't really blame you, good luck
Anyways Cook shouldn't be checking Ausuka/Italiano because:- If Cook is town then Ausuka is town (No reason to setup the Backup Watcher claim otherwise) and Italiano's probably scum fakeclaiming because too much investigative power otherwise so the check doesn't matter because it's still a 1f1 that has to get dealt with
- If Cook is scum then either Ausuka is scum and we won't get a real result or Ausuka is town and we wont be able to trust the result anyways. Italiano's locktown until massclaim in that case since otherwise the setup's kinda wack
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40 minutes until deadline and the Cook wagon has once again dissipated
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Cook you got any objections to checking outside of Italiano/Ausuka?In post 1858, Flower wrote:
Can't believe you didn't include me in the last team as well, so rudeIn post 1851, Asri Teroka wrote:
The current scumteams are ausuka/fire/flower flower/fire/cook ausuka/happy/flower and invisibility/Hu Tao/ItalianoVd and anyone who doesn't agree with that is a beautiful human beingIn post 1843, Ausuka wrote: I think of my wagon asri is probably the only one who I actively think is town
I'm sure people are going to suspect them for constantly changing their reads and acting like anyone who doesn't agree with {current scumteam here} is an idiot and I don't really blame you, good luck
Anyways Cook shouldn't be checking Ausuka/Italiano because:- If Cook is town then Ausuka is town (No reason to setup the Backup Watcher claim otherwise) and Italiano's probably scum fakeclaiming because too much investigative power otherwise so the check doesn't matter because it's still a 1f1 that has to get dealt with
- If Cook is scum then either Ausuka is scum and we won't get a real result or Ausuka is town and we wont be able to trust the result anyways. Italiano's locktown until massclaim in that case since otherwise the setup's kinda wack
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Vote Hu Tao for E-1In post 1892, Black wrote:
What the fuckIn post 1887, Cook wrote: okay screw it
VOTE: ausuka
sparks fly someone dies
someone hammer if this isn’t
I was literally about to hammer Hu
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I'll wait for Italiano to post results before limming Cook, but she should absolutely die today
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Asri was the vig shot for hard defending Cook, Ausuka got shot because Cook voting Ausuka instead of Hu Tao at the end of d1 basically hard cleared her. If Ausuka flipped red there Cook always gets limmed so the fact that Cook was ok with the lim basically proved it was scum!Cook + town!Ausuka (town!Cook also became impossible there since town!Cook should basically consider Ausuka locktown for the way the claim happened meaning that Hu Tao was the better lim)In post 1911, Black wrote: So Ausuka probably died because of her claim. Asri was an interesting choice for a kill and I'm guessing this one came from a vig of some sort?
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We still kill Cook here since she's scum Rolecop, Black since you're outed can you fullclaim?
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In post 1921, iamveryhappy wrote:
nopeIn post 1918, Cook wrote: oh and one last thing i LIED about the bp
i’m ascetic. the bp call was so that i didn’t get obliterated n1. i had to play scummy town so that mafia wouldn’t shoot me for townleading, because i could not get protted
2 deaths=vig/third party
there is no way there is a role this cracked in this setup
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Wow we can actually agree on something, that's a firstIn post 1926, Cook wrote: there’s genuinely no way that there’s five town pr’s in this setup
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If you have a no visit or you tracked someone to Ausuka please post, otherwise understandableIn post 1929, Black wrote:
I don't know if revealing my role right away was the best play but I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just not a fan of being outed like thisIn post 1914, Cook wrote: alright, i listened to everyone’s feedback and all and decided to rolecop black. she’s tracker
I think I'd like to keep my result secret for now. I'll reveal it before the day ends just in case I'm the N2 targetIn post 1916, Flower wrote: We still kill Cook here since she's scum Rolecop, Black since you're outed can you fullclaim?
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Scum cant multitask so Cook didn't do the kill, a no visit strongly implies the person you checked is town since at a minimum 2/3 scum should have visited n1. Like this we don't waste time wagoning townIn post 1943, Black wrote:
Why would you want me to claim if I got a no visit?In post 1938, Flower wrote: If you have a no visit or you tracked someone to Ausuka please post, otherwise understandable
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