Mini Normal 2303 [Postgame!!!!]

[iamveryhappy]

wat

[Cook]

i’m not mafia and i’m not vig

ergo

no way to kill

[Cook]

ergo

no revenge

[iamveryhappy]

@vig shoot this if this lives ty

[Something_Smart]

Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaim

How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.

[Something_Smart]

Sometimes the most obvious answer is the right one.

The obvious answer is that odd-night cop claims are never real, because they aren't.

[Something_Smart]

Odd-night cop is literally the perfect claim for scum. You can invent one result to suit your agenda, but you don't have to provide so many results that you end up narrowing down your own team. It gives an excuse for why you don't die N2 (you can't do anything anyway) and then by D4 it's elo or close to it so it will be hard for "why are you still alive?" to get traction.

[Something_Smart]

Me too but sadly in this case it's pretty necessary, sorry

Why?

[Something_Smart]

I don't think I'm gonna follow your argument.

Are you also assuming scum don't have a ninja? That seems like a wild and unfounded assumption.

[Something_Smart]

Tracker and rolecop can't get green checks, so if I'm assuming they only check town, then they have basically 0 info. I really don't see what you're getting at.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Odd-night cop is literally the perfect claim for scum. You can invent one result to suit your agenda, but you don't have to provide so many results that you end up narrowing down your own team. It gives an excuse for why you don't die N2 (you can't do anything anyway) and then by D4 it's elo or close to it so it will be hard for "why are you still alive?" to get traction.

Isn't this just WIFOM though? It's significantly less scummy than a bulletproof cop claim.

[Flower]

Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaim

How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.

Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review. Mafia Tracker on the other hand isn't likely to get suggested as a counterbalance to town PRs so sheep'd have to proactively add it in the game

Tracker and rolecop can't get green checks, so if I'm assuming they only check town, then they have basically 0 info. I really don't see what you're getting at.

If we have 5 Town PRs (With 3 info roles and a vig) are you unironically suggesting that scum gets 0 compensation in the form of PRs? If Cook were real a No Visit/Vanilla result is pretty much a Green check

-A

[Invisibility]

Everyone elses eyes have glazed over.

yeah

I'm trash at setup spec so I can only understand so much but I think I do not believe the ascetic claim. It was more likely a trueclaim as scum if a vig exists (which people have already said lol). I would vote but I don't wanna e-1 when I'm not gonna be here for a bit

[Something_Smart]

Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review.

I don't think this is a thing that happens during reviews? Mafia bulletproof is not a "counter" to a vig, it's a random slap in the face.

[Something_Smart]

If we have 5 Town PRs (With 3 info roles and a vig) are you unironically suggesting that scum gets 0 compensation in the form of PRs?

There are three scum, they don't all have to be PR's; having no goons on a team is pretty rare. And like I said, ninja is the most likely scum PR, considering we have a tracker and a watcher, so tracker results wouldn't even necessarily mean much.

[Flower]

Why arent more people bothered with Cook claiming 1-Shot BP Rolecop with Ausuka pointing out that if there's a vig then Cook's probably trueclaiming scum and then after the vig shoots and Ausuka flips town her claim suddenly changes to one that isn't a blatant scumclaim

How is mafia tracker too complicated for sheep but mafia 1-shot BP rolecop is fair game? That seems like a weird inconsistency.

Actually this is probably the weirdest thing to come from S_S in this part because he's part of the NRG. He should already have experience with someone carelessly adding a Town Vigilante and needing to suggest some sort of counterbalance and this is making me feel like he's twisting mech for an agenda

Because there's a Vig in the game and that's the kind of thing where if scum have no counter to it a Mafia 1-Shot Bulletproof Rolecop gets suggested to address it during review.

I don't think this is a thing that happens during reviews? Mafia bulletproof is not a "counter" to a vig, it's a random slap in the face.

Case in point. You'd add Mafia 1-Shot BP in a Vig game so that the Vig can shoot limbait without just straight up soloing the game by shooting all the Mafia, how is this a new concept for you?

-A

[Something_Smart]

He should already have experience with someone carelessly adding a Town Vigilante and needing to suggest some sort of counterbalance and this is making me feel like he's twisting mech for an agenda

Can you link to a review where this happened?

I would never suggest this as a counter to vig. I don't think Isis or Koba would either. But I've been wrong before.

[Something_Smart]

Case in point. You'd add Mafia 1-Shot BP in a Vig game so that the Vig can shoot limbait without just straight up soloing the game by shooting all the Mafia, how is this a new concept for you?

When balancing, I assume that a vig shot is equivalent to a lim (except that it can land on a town PR). If I would put an ungated vig in a mini, which I would not, I wouldn't consider the case where the vig shoots all the scum to be bad-- scum weren't going to win anyway.

[iamveryhappy]

assuming that the vig is already X-shot (2-3 shot, used one) I really doubt that there will be any bp mafia roles to further lower the chance of scum dying at night

[Cook]

i’m calling it as either 2-shot or simple

[iamveryhappy]

no
I think it's more on the side of 3-shot
2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong
this game lasts approx. 5 days

[Something_Smart]

2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong

Too weak?? 2-shot vig is still very strong because it confirms itself as town and earns town an extra lim.

Plus, it's not like town can't have weak PR's as well as strong ones.

[iamveryhappy]

2-shot seems too weak, no modifier seems too strong

Too weak?? 2-shot vig is still very strong because it confirms itself as town and earns town an extra lim.

Plus, it's not like town can't have weak PR's as well as strong ones.

like as if in this unknown closed setup would ppl not shoot every night to try to figure out the setup/scum
this thing is not to conserve shots, it is a direct weapon to counter scum.

[Something_Smart]

I don't understand. Yes, people would shoot every night as a vig, that's just basic play. I'm not talking about conserving shots, I just think that a 1-shot or 2-shot vig could exist in the setup if the reviewers wanted it to.

[sheepsaysmeep]

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