Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

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Yaga

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Meow! Been a small while since I've played. I actually don't remember most of this list.

VOTE: geraintm

im Flavor Leaf, we've played a few multiple times, probably 10+

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ah, damn, Drew's scum here

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Lol Dave is scum

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Reasons are for scum

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lol hu tao is town

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Lol black star is town

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Y’all ain’t ready for this leaf flavored jelly

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Lol Daves might be town, might be scum

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More like klaDAMN

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Are you saying it feels a little bland and needs some more ______

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I’ll just claim cop

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Full claiming Even Night Cop

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VOTE: Flavor

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I’m okay getting faded now before I effort and take over thread

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And then fade on wagon Day 2, within the first 5

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Actually, middle 5.

Don’t fade Blackstar, don’t fade the hammerer.

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Might as well.

Y’all too lazy to do anything else anyways

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With the exception of Hu Tao, everybody’s sitting back and waiting.

Lay some traps down. Do some reaction tests.

People like to just sit back and whine about slowness instead of getting things done for people to react to

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I’m obv town tbh but it’s messed up to town read me still

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Lean town on Snivy, though tbh

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Drew and Daves are both scum this game. I will provide reasons at a later date

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Blackstar’s scum read of me makes sense from a pov of someone who’s never experienced the unorthodox.

However, imo, I actually did provide a decent amount whilst not really posting. I feel i was making it very obv where i stood with a lot of slots

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Snivy and Hu Tao are my two stronger town reads.

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Ame, Drew, and Dave looking like a possible scum team.

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I saw a case against Snivy is that they seem like they just want to vote someone.

I don’t really think that’s scummy, especially considering the game was super slow, and people were talking about that as is.

Scum weren’t making action and thus there really wasn’t too much to read off of.

I don’t really think scum generally give off vibes of “just wanting to vote someone”. They want to misfade someone, but that’s not normally something they show outright in thread, especially early Day 1.

They would do this with action, maybe, but Snivy’s been all town chaos bark with a nibble of a bit.

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KittyTacky is never actively engaged as a base. It’s always fleeting if they are.

I’m neutral on the slot right now.

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I like Leek’s posting. Looks like solid analysis for this point in the game, nothing looks too forced, nothing super deep. I’m good with that slot.

Klazam i kinda lean town, but i also think there’s something off in the people pushing Snivy while Snivy is pushing Klazam, so I could see that slot being lean scum.

Blackstar hasn’t really done enough so far, i got town pinged earlier, but pings are fleeting after time, so neutral lean town.

Daves and Ame could go either way, they’re on opposite sides of my reads right now, and i could see them both being scum taking advantage.

Drew is super scummy this game i almost wanna say too scummy to be scum, and I feel like it’s possible they knew I was catching onto them being scum, so they’re trying a come after me half jokingly half real kind of way to be able to pivot if need be, but also to add pressure if need be, and i tend to think that’s more indicative of ScumDrew.

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I already talked about my Hu Tao town read.

Geraint made a case against Snivy I didn’t like, but I can see them doing that as town, so even though I gut scum read Geraint, i know that’s purely playstyle at this moment in time and have nothing deeper on it when i looked into it a bit more.

Arko i have no read on, and can’t remember a single post. Probably on me, but idk.

And then Abnegation could be a Drew partner if Abneg is scum. I just got a little associative tells with their back and forth on Abneg being scum this game, but i wouldn’t use that to push Abneg, so other than that, null on Abneg.

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You were scum in Demon Slayer, and I felt that there too

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And i actively play different styles, I got a large sample pool to pull from. Gotta get more research into doing other things.

I don’t think i needed to get the ball rolling on scum you here, if anything it just made you come for me

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You actively agreed to you doing what I said you were doing, though, so that response is odd considering how early in the game this is and the fact that you agree with my reasoning

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And it’s not like i haven’t known you from the past.

You were in every Baker game, and I was technically backup mod for a few of those.

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You mean you haven’t gotten the flavor town pings from my troll post meme’ing where I still give my reads.

Interesting.

Because the last time I did some type of Day 1 Meme posting, you were scum and I was town, so Ty for bringing that up

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You vindicated my push when you brought up you always try to keep it half joke half serious, which is the point.

So by saying that’s what you were doing, and saying you didn’t agree with me is contradictive.

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I go off vibes.

That last game made me turn my mech and meta brain off

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Vibes and actions

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That’s how you’re supposed to use meta tbh.

Meta is supplementary.

I’m also going off the action you chose to do.

I laid some traps, and you triggered em

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Either way, it’s beneficial for the reads

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Idc about clearing myself, my actions will do so in the future anyways.

I care about forcing scum to take action so i can read

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Then post game this game’ll prove why you should use meta as supplementary.

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How

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It’s a post game thing to prove not pre

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I’m kinda bored with this, though, and wasn’t really full on pushing yet

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We can touch back later in the day phase

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Because scum get to just use circular WIFOM early day 1 because there’s no true case for why they are scum yet

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also, regarding page 13

there we could witness a discussion between two people, Drew and Leaf

once I played in a game where the scumpair got an idea that during d1 they'll hold a big, whole page conversation, not really a meaningful exchange, just enough appear quite active and to "not hurt reach other" too much

I got such vibes from page 13

a matter to observe

especially since I don't really know what conclusions arised from that Drew/Leaf discussion, seemed like a banter and nobody even commented on it

This feels like a secondary reason that Drew wanted to have that conversation with me and another supplementary reason as to why I backed away from it

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Gut ping on the Abnegation unvote right after Leek mentioned a possible Drew/Leaf pairing because I earlier mentioned a possible Abneg/Drew pairing

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Kitty may be TMI’ing

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Anyone down for a mass claim

I already claimed so sure

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Ame is one of the towniest players in the game

like giving so many town reads: what's the benefit for a scum? you have to push someone into queue after all

also weird ideas about mass claim - draws attention and is quirky

Ame heavy town

i dont agree

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No, that’s an easy thing to say as scum.

I also feel they were joking, which makes it worse

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I don’t think it was that attention drawing, and I think you underestimate the willing-ness of scum drawing attention to themselves

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its linked in sig

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Yeah, i tend not to play too much on my days off, and early game I was working but with the playstyle.

But yeah, like i said, meta with me, i just gonna end up hurting you in the long run.

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VOTE: Leek

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UNVOTE:
I feel like my opinions about everyone are flip-flopping like crazy from page to page. I'm already second-guessing everything lol.

Drew doesn't seem as scummy as I originally thought. Pretty much the only person who I haven't felt at least a little suspicious of so far is Hu Tao

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VOTE: Leek

Leaf explain yourself

I think you’re scummy and TMI’ing AME.

I also started to town read Drew, so i think positioning wise, you’re scummy too

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i ignored the case on leek maybe i should read on that

Can you quote me the case on Leek?

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I kind of like that from Abnegation, they seem like the type to be attune to that kind of thing

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For a day 1 case, that + my vibes is good enough for me to pressure the slot.

The ‘explain yourself’ thing seems a bit weird on Leek’s part, but i can def see them playing up to Hu Tao who was being considered universally town for the most part

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VOTE: Leek

Leaf explain yourself

I think you’re scummy and TMI’ing AME.

I also started to town read Drew, so i think positioning wise, you’re scummy too

nah they're just astute

Nah they scum.

I think pretty clearly tbh

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Ame or Leek today for me is where I’m at

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Ame could just be misfade bait that scumLeek white knighted, though

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Don’t go for compromises.

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Just ends with town misfade normally and an easy out.

It’s okay if people don’t follow right now, we got time. Force scum to make actions to give us more to analyze.

We’re not gonna have a perfect case on Day 1, it’s just too easy to hide in circular WIFOM.

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A lot of times when I don’t agree with someone’s read, it causes people to do more cases and reasons, and sometimes it convinces me.

I like being in devil’s advocate spot, i like having to be convinced because it just puts more thought processes out

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Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

People put way too much stock into their Day 1 reads. Scum tend to do it because it reinforces A comfortable position, and then town do it because pocketed and agrees in reads and again, is comfortable. People don’t like to go against the status quo, but 10 individuals coming together are stronger than 2 or 3 hive minds with possibly infected leaders

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Imo, there’s obvious scum in Leek and Ame. I also think Ame is just hard pocketed, but like, in a way where they can’t even give solid reasons for town Leek probs

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Like the town read on Leek by Ame is just a little too unnatural, and i think it comes by AmeTownie who is thankful someone ‘saw’ they were town and defended them.

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Leaf today: Leek has TMI on Ame. Leek flips town.
Leaf tomorrow: Ame had TMI on leek.
Leek and Ame are just astute

This is just wrong analysis.

A Leek town flip wrecks that case.

I didn’t say one or the other is scum it’s possible, but yeah, you misrepped this entire thing

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If anything a Leek town flip makes Ame somewhat townier.

But if anything, Ame’s shown they don’t care to work with the town, they care to get their way.

Drew and Dave were both two of my scum reads earlier, and I flipped on Drew, and went neutral with Dave, but now they’re pushing at me like that because I have different reads?

Work with people, even ones you have different reads with, ESPECIALLY day 1.

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I think it’s only blatant in hindsight.

Yeah, this looking like the epitome of a pocket.

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Leek was also pretty clear at the time, and nobody was really pushing that way.

Yeah, Ame convinced me. I think Leek’s the best play.

Ame is posting that stuff and twisting it to their world view where they think it’s townie, but if you look at the what and the way of those posts, such as the comment of Drew and I being a possible scum pairing, gives another avenue to push the two of us, and keep pressure there.

The defense of Ame was actually a super easy defense to make, and it instantly created a wall of defense from a successful white knight, and now Ame is in their debt, essentially.

You can tell Ame’s town read is flawed because of the extreme bias with the read without looking at it from both sides.

This convinced me even more. Thanks, Ame.

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But if anything, Ame’s shown they don’t care to work with the town, they care to get their way.

I'm not sure where you got this impression considering I'm willing to vote with Hu. Is there a reason you don't want cCS to die?

What’s the CCS case?

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Ame, a big part of your flaw with the town read of Leek is your assumption on what scum

would

do, and I just don’t think that’s necessarily accurate, especially this early day 1.

I’d say I’m a pretty decent scum player, and that looks pretty basic scum play, like the foundations, not basic on a poor level.

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But if anything, Ame’s shown they don’t care to work with the town, they care to get their way.

I'm not sure where you got this impression considering I'm willing to vote with Hu. Is there a reason you don't want cCS to die?

Sorry, willing to work with those that aren’t defending them*


And it’s like almost guaranteed from this side there’s at least 1 scum defending you if you are town, so who do you think that is?

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Doctor Drew
Hu Tao
Abnegation
BlackStar

Snivy
Ame

Klazam
Davesaz
KittyTacky

Nono

Geraint

SzmarzLeek

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No order between tiers. A scum is probably in my top tier somewhere, but I’m not super confident in that. I wouldn’t be surprised, but i can see a lot of worlds where all scum are in my Klazam tier and under.

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Sometimes Enchant is just scum.

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But if anything, Ame’s shown they don’t care to work with the town, they care to get their way.

I'm not sure where you got this impression considering I'm willing to vote with Hu. Is there a reason you don't want cCS to die?

What’s the CCS case?

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They’re just kind of all over the place, and it looks like they were doing the most to make something happen, and kind of outwardly, and I think that is lean town for sure.

My guts been pretty good with Snivy bar a mech finish/soft guilty, and even then I had to fight against the feeling, which would have been correct. This is a supplementary reason for me to town read Snivy, cuz that’s how I use meta.

I just find their actions not very scummy this game, and the fact they’re taking actual action in this slow ish game is definitely net positive. I feel scum have been sitting back and trying to let something happen.

I don’t necessarily agree with the Klazam read they were pushing, but I’m not willing to die on Klazam town either. I was neutral for most of Snivy’s push on Klazam.

I had a town ping on Klazam in one of their last posts, though.

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I'm fine with leek going today too BTW. I don't think I've seen any reason to town read them.

I have seen a few things here and there that did town ping me.

My thing with you that’s messing with me, is that I have a tendency to town read Scum Tao, and scum read TownTao. So I’ll keep my eye on you, but I am town reading you, so

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I'm fine with leek going today too BTW. I don't think I've seen any reason to town read them.

I have seen a few things here and there that did town ping me.

My thing with you that’s messing with me, is that I have a tendency to town read Scum Tao, and scum read TownTao. So I’ll keep my eye on you, but I am town reading you, so

Tbf I think last game you townread the person I replaced more than me.

This is a fair point, you are correct.

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The case that Flavor Leaf has posted about Leek sounds very convincing and plausible. But I’ve read Leek’s ISO a couple of times and I feel like most of his posts sound genuine. I don’t agree with his thought process on some stuff, but I’m not getting the vibe that Leek is trying to manipulate people.

you are weak to tone, huh?

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yeah, Leek-Ame is gross, and there's bad energy coming from em. I want to see why.

More votes on Leek.

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But i also do it on multiple scum too

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And end of the day, we get things to read directly branching off of it anyways. It’s day 1, people acting like I’m 100%, when I’m more like 55%, but on day 1, that’s super high imo

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I wouldn’t mind investigatives going towards Hu Tao either, could be good to get that slot confirmed.

I’m also down to get investigated.


Note: there are multiple honey traps in this post.

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dude, you seem so sure you're convincing others and show no doubt

if you haven't said 55% I'd think you were at 90

Well, that’s your assumption.

I think only on very rare occasions should people be that confident on day 2. Most of the time, people who are that confident are silly little billies.

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Ame really trying for anything but leek which is a sign of a pocket.

It doesn’t make Leek scum, but it does mean they’re pocketed, even if Leek is town

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I personally don’t think it’s in Ame’s scum range to fake in a pocket in a ScumAme to townLeek? But idk then that well, and idk if the rewards are great enough. Idk.

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Just a rule of thumb not to trust people who can’t see the other side on Day 1 of reads.

I don’t really care for the frantic energy, but i don’t necessarily think it’s scummy by Ame. I’m tinfoiling, but i don’t think it is.

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Something’s just really off with Ame, and I’m hoping I’m just right that they’re pocketed and not that they’re scum, but I’d be impressed if they were scum.

I just see them as hopeless town. Their reads don’t match up with what a day 1 should be like.

@Ame - leek flips red, from that pov, where are you looking?

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Lean town for Kitty tbh. I usually gut ping scum them when they’re scum, and most of the stuff is just Kitty. Happy they posting at all tbh

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Ame doesn’t scum read me, they just are aggro pushing because they don’t like my Leek push because they’re in a pocket.

Ame’s doing Leek’s business.

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I think we should just trust the Leaf on the Leek.

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You can go and check my scum games, I’m rarely ever on a day 1 town misfade, and i had loads to do with it happening.

I push through misfade by manipulating gamestate to do so.

In Pokémon, there was a 13 player wagon on a fade day 1 with zero of us scum on it

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You can go and check my scum games, I’m rarely ever on a day 1 town misfade, and i had loads to do with it happening.

I push through misfade by manipulating gamestate to do so.

In Pokémon, there was a 13 player wagon on a fade day 1 with zero of us scum on it

You didn't vote LLD?

LLD was Day 2

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I was on Black end of Day 1 there. Remember i set the day 5 misfade up way in advance

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I personally don’t think it’s in Ame’s scum range to fake in a pocket in a ScumAme to townLeek? But idk then that well, and idk if the rewards are great enough. Idk.

You're so condescending T o T

Part of me is like maybe it's good if you think I'm a helpless idiot so I could use it if I ever roll scum against you, but the other part is like omg

Not a bad thing, i just think it’s pointless to do it as scum, not like a level system range, more like a style system

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Leek?

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I’d lightweight be willing to go for Ame and move to the next day.

Kinda done with this day phase.

It would almost be policy, but there’s more reason than that, even though I fully don’t think they’re always scum here.

I just think games goes smoother without them based on their weird dynamics this game, plus some people scum read them, why not

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Hu, Gera: Ame is a maf. If you want to lim maf today vote for me

Helping you out here and fixing your post for you Ame

Hehe. You should vote Ab with me. Think about it, why is FL suddenly championing “a smooth game”. When has FL ever wanted a “smooth game”? Just earlier this phase he was talking about how no one was doing anything and peeps should make things spicy. It’s very likely at least two of my bottom 3 are mafs, he is one of them, and he is threatened.

i want smooth games every game, what you mean.

i dont call it smooth games, but spicy and smooth is my cup of tea.

i'm also barely paying attention to this game the past few days, so if you think i feel threatened, idk what to tell ya

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I brought up the game going smoother because, Ame, you're full of noise.

It's literally that simple.

If you need to question it further, then idk what to tell ya

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Hu, Gera: Ame is a maf. If you want to lim maf today vote for me

Helping you out here and fixing your post for you Ame

Hehe. You should vote Ab with me. Think about it, why is FL suddenly championing “a smooth game”. When has FL ever wanted a “smooth game”? Just earlier this phase he was talking about how no one was doing anything and peeps should make things spicy. It’s very likely at least two of my bottom 3 are mafs, he is one of them, and he is threatened.

i want smooth games every game, what you mean.

i dont call it smooth games, but spicy and smooth is my cup of tea.

i'm also barely paying attention to this game the past few days, so if you think i feel threatened, idk what to tell ya

Then let me do my thing. You’re not paying attention anyway

nah, you're conf biased and need to be shut down.

Today is not your day. Maybe tomorrow if you're alive.

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VOTE: Abnegation

this over ame any day

nah, I like abneg this game.

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There's no reason for Abneg scum to take it back unless they are scum together and they were bussing.

Imo, Leek always before Abneg.

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Leek is just an amazing anchor point in this game to flip with a high chance of flipping scum.

Their flip opens this game up more than anyone, and on day 1, that with a high scum flip chance, is the far superior fade.

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Yeah, we have one day.

Please come over to Leek. They've been doing nothing and letting Ame do all the dirty work for them because Ame got pocketed. Please break up the Ame-Leek pair, and we confirm who is correct with the Leek slot.

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if leek flips town here im provably going to go after abnegation tommorow

by all means.

Ill also let Ame out of the box ive put them in if that's the case.

Ame's in a weird spot because I probably wont push them tomorrow regardless of Leek flip bar anything else majorly changing.

I just think flips will be good for the game, and Leek's a solid flip candidate, and we've done well this game without claiming or giving much away.

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You do know I am coming after Ame no matter what? Even if I decide to vote Leek here.

I have been down this 'such obvscum D1' path before.....especially as of late.

I don't get how you are allergic to voting her, Flavor.

I dont think we're on an obvscum path here, so you must be on the wrong path.

majority of my Ame read developed from Leek, so it's a clear anchor point, and I think there's merit to keep them alive to see ho they develop after a Leek flip. It will likely give your push more fuel if they are indeed scum.

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Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Kitty

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No regrets on Leek, and that’s why.

Minimal on Day 1 leads to a lot later.

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Hit that anchor slot to release as much flip info asap.

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If Kitty is town, Hu Tao is always scum based on ignoring strongman possibility.

But i think Kitty just is scum?

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Nono is probably always town here with that response.

Hu Tao could be scum bussing Kitty compensating a bit too

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good going guys

VOTE: wolf hutao
serious note: happy to vote kitty, trust gert w/e, but let me have this for now kek

going to sleep irl kbai

getting a big scumping from this

Nah, this is always town.

If they’re scum and Kitty scum this is terrible as scum.

If they’re scum and Kitty town it’s TMI.

Nono is a town slot

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I also agree with Hu Tao looking scummy with this posting, but we shall see.

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nah, nono always town

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Hu Tao feels like scum bussing this day phase.

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yeah Snivy is town here too.

Snivy/Nono, maybe Ame.

Hu Tao is scum.

Drew could be, but idk if I'm there yet.

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you guys are in a tunnel 1v1, so i think it could just as easily be you both are town.

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i think Mass claim tomorrow.

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i think Mass claim tomorrow.

Nah. I think we’ve had enough of your scum siding tbh

I've been effectively pro town all game.

One day maybe you'll realize that.

But Idgaf if I fade town Day 1 ever, it just doesn't matter and is more beneficial to move through Day 1 on an anchor point.

And my point is proven today as we are in a spot to catch scum.

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Actually, I'll start the claiming today.

I'm Vanilla.

I am officially locking myself out of claiming, which for me, is garbo if I were ever scum, not that anyone is pushing me as scum here, I feel I'm pretty obv town.

Ame's just too tunnelfucked to see this game straight, and doesn't understand why it doesn't matter and can be beneficial to just powerfade and get through Day 1's.

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And I will policy Ame before I fade through a possible lean scum if that continues.

That is how much I care about misfading town or not to get to the correct solve.

You can ask Snivy about that when I actively misfaded them when they were like 85% likely to be town, got an INNO on me, and yet I still wanted them to get to the mech solve.

It just doesn't matter if you fade town to get you to the solve, and the sooner you realize how to do it effectively, the better

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we are not doing a mass claim now dawg

Again, I do not care.

It would be tomorrow I want the Mass claim, I just claimed VT so I could selfishly not die. I don't trust a lot of people I think are town here to get the right solve, and not think things over.

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Just investigate Drew.

Hu Tao is always scum here.

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Ame is just tunneled on Drew and doesnt understand why Leek got faded, and doesn't know how to play without emotions taking over.

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Town

geraintm - doesnt do this as scum, always town
Nono - stupid to go for Hu Tao OMGUS after the tracker guilty as scum, always town
Ame - Playing fully on emotion, stupid af as scum, it's possible, but I dont think they do this if they were really scum, most likely town.
Snivy - I think they're solving, and makes sense, even if they were wrong on Nono. I think most likely town.

Neutral

Klazam
Davesaz

Light Scum

Doctor Drew
Abnegation

Scum

Hu Tao
KittyTacky

If I'm wrong on Hu Tao, Abnegation is always scum, but I don't think I'm wrong on Hu Tao. I did get Drew/Abnegation pings, and I think Abneg is the most likely Drew partner if Drew is scum here.

If I am correct with Hu Tao/Kitty, I think one of Drew/Abnegation are partners with them.

One of my Neutrals can fill in if I'm wrong anywhere.

Geraint should track in one of Drew/Hu Tao, though.









- Flavor Leaf
- Hu Tao
- Abnegation
- davesaz
- BlackStar
- camelCasedSnivy
- Doctor Drew

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Ignore the bottom part. I was copy/pasting names and forgot to delete

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Ame, you need to open up more, because look at the gamestate we're in right now after the Leek fade.

You were correct in Leek being town, that's good, but it really doesn't matter that we faded a Vanilla Townie on Day 1. It really doesn't.

We got through Day 1 with zero claims, and faded a Vanilla Townie.

People don't like to think about it, but that is better than hitting scum on Day 1 in most scenarios.

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i would try to discuss when we should do mass claim but FL already took the liberty to hammer

Can still discuss it. RN aint here

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Like work with people you disagree with, Ame. Play the damn game

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by discuss it i mean get everyones opinion on it

i dont think everyone will be able to voice an opinion by the time RN gets here

i dont see a problem currently

It's fine. it doesn't really need to be discussed today.

We're in a great position.

Everytime I have faded through a Day 1 VT fade, town ends up winning.

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Ame is my blind spot, and if she is scum, she's doing well, but I think she's just being dense town.

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I want people to read this game from here: at least just Day 2 of it where I linked. You can do so over night, it's not that long.

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I had multiple townies who were anti-me at the time.

Also, IF I FOR SOME REASON DIE TONIGHT....

FADE HU TAO.

I cannot make this any clearer, and it'll be more obvious if I die.

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I had multiple townies who were anti-me at the time.

I bring this up because this is actually when my reads are generally really good too, and I end up being right on reads, and shut the haters up.

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I've literally caught more total scum than anyone in the history of this site, am an absolute try hard who wants to win, and people still wanna act like i wanna fuck around and not care about victory. like get over it.

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Pretty upset that I fell asleep in middle of writing up my thoughts on leek.

Not sure how much votes needed to elim, consider my vote on kitty.

I’ll look through kitty’s posts and gera, but my impression of them is roughly the same I believe.

Actually, this is town too.

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Also, here's the thing, Ame,

I've consistently been calling you town, so if you're town, I have a CORRECT read on you, and you're here salty about the Leek fade when I was actively calling them a 55%, and we got through a day 1 with zero claims, and a vanilla misfade.

That is fucking AMAZING.

And if you are town, you should see that I HAVE A CORRECT FUCKING READ ON YOUR SLOT TOO

AND I'm leaning ON YOUR SIDE AGAINST Drew with my leaning Drew.

Get off your high horse and start working TOGETHER. You're one of the main reasons I wanted to power through Leek because the way you were acting was disgusting, and you couldn't have an actual discussion that wasn't emotion fueled about the slot.

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If Kitty is town, Hu Tao is always scum based on ignoring strongman possibility.

But i think Kitty just is scum?

Ain't no way scum would strong arm kitty instead of just killing them if they saw the doctor soft if they were town.

yeah, i'll retract that reasoning.

Unfortunate for you, I know you are scum, and unfortunate for me, I think you know why.

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If Kitty is town, Hu Tao is always scum based on ignoring strongman possibility.

But i think Kitty just is scum?

Ain't no way scum would strong arm kitty instead of just killing them if they saw the doctor soft if they were town.

Strongarm just powers through protections, they don’t target the protector.

Oh right, I forgot about just strong arm. I was thinking about a role blocker. But why would a game have a strong arm and a doctor? Is that common?

Kitty's not doc, they're scum.

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In addition, because of this scenario, I think I have a tell on you too.

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Nono never ignores their partner getting guiltied to OMGUS voting you here.

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Unless it's Hu Tao and Nono together, but that's big tinfoil

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decent d1 lims at this point:
KittyTacky
geraintm
Nono

regarding this list

does any name here strike you personally as "that'd be a bad lim" or "hell no, I won't put a vote there d1"?

i would say i have a light townread on kittytacky and wouldn't vote there if i had to choose now. undecided on the other two.

Abnegation is probably the 3rd scum

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I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

Yes because a random lock town read that doesn't make sense could mean they're masons (those are in normal games? I don't know where to find the list). Hence why the mass claim thing popped up in my mind at the time. I like to remove all of these pesky variables that make people act scummy when they aren't.

i think i will die laughing if ame flips red. if these are scum posts, this is the most blatant openwolfing i have ever seen and i respect it. but it reads town lol.

Yeah, pocketing of town Ame too.

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It's Kitty, Hu Tao, Abnegation.

If...IF Hu Tao is town, then yeah, I would bring it to Drew if we wanna misfade Drew first before accepting Hu Tao is scum here, I'm willing to let Ame have a chance to shine or drown like a clown.

Ame's aggro is growing on me too, and i like the avatar.

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seems hu tao/nono is a big controversial topic

ill say i prefer nono 100% here but something im more sure of is that theres 1 scum in the 2

Hu Tao's content is better, but Nono is big LHF town.

It just doesnt make sense as scum with Scum Kitty guiltied to make that post, and I stand by that pretty strongly.

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I have a guilty on Hu Tao, though, obviously, so I'm biased.

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I am assuming I am dead overnight, I would pay more attention to today otherwise.

I wonder if I should have let kitty post a little before dropping my result. You'll have to tell me later if I played it as I should have

If I were you and had a guilty, I'd probably have softed it first. But to each their own

I did soft the guilty.

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I am assuming I am dead overnight, I would pay more attention to today otherwise.

I wonder if I should have let kitty post a little before dropping my result. You'll have to tell me later if I played it as I should have

If I were you and had a guilty, I'd probably have softed it first. But to each their own

I was too.excited

if you die, we probs just auto win.

I do think the team is Kitty/Abnegation/Hu Tao here.

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But you will, oh but you will

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Did somebody say E-1?

VOTE: Kitty

Good job you killed a doctor.

lol i was the last one on the wagon, why would you quote mine?

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When the flip hits you all will feel very stupid.

even if you flip town, i will not feel stupid, you had a guilty on you, and you have had low content. was always gonna end with you being dead here. if you are town, then there will be analysis to be had, but yeah, no.

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We should mass claim before we hammer, unless that was it. It might be. Hu Tao's already like 99% of the time about to be killed, and it'll allow other PR's to go accordingly based on different act

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Plays like that exactly why I'm gonna eventually write a Rising Star Nom for Hu Tao.

Hands down, no better player who's been on this site less than a year

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Okay, cool.

Yeah, nono is always the play here.

I think we should mass claim, and I think Hu Tao should choose the order.

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wait, whoever got doc'd is conf town, though

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we lose out on that info if doc ended up dying tonight

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Not doing mass claim. Just yeet so we can move the game along.

why you in a rush to deny communication? nono's going sooner rather than later. give people some time to check in, make sure we see how everyone posts.

we're in an amazing spot this game, a few extra hours wont hurt

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So power fading the Vanilla Day 1 and letting the game go to night with heavy denied info WAS good.

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With gera heal most likely, i agree with no mass claim.

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FL claimed VT

idk whos at what but i would go nono first

Where did I do this?

Pretty sure i didn’t

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I have a guilty on Hu Tao, though, obviously, so I'm biased.

I was twilight trolling all day yesterday.

The entirety of my posts yesterday were in twilight

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VOTE: Nono

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im cop, ame town night 1. roleblocked night 2.

ame, hu tao, and i are in a neighborhood and hu tao claimed for one of us

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Hoods are actually mad powerful if the people in them can find each other

Mad powerful for scum too if they know how to abuse them well

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Some people don’t like the type of gameplay it breeds. I love neighborhoods and playing tricky little neighborhood mind games

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VOTE: Hu Tao

pulled a nice little fast one on us

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Someone explain what the fuck happened there.

Hu Tao knew they got guiltied by Nono and claimed a guilty on Nono instead

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So Dave, Abnegation, and Drew, you're the last to not claim, so yeah, it's basically time.

Snivy is a Neighborizer who neighborized Hu Tao N1, me N2. I claimed Vanilla in there.

My Day 2 Twilight aged very well.

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wait, whoever got doc'd is conf town, though

we lose out on that info if doc ended up dying tonight

really should have claimed yesterday

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Hu Tao is outed scum. No way we don't.


It's likely in Abnegation or Dave.

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Could be Drew

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I think it makes sense for scum who knew Hu tao was scum to join the wagon quietly onto Nono, and also Kitty.

VCA would show it's someone bussing Kitty, and then helping fade Nono, and both Dave/Abnegation did it the same way each time.

Someone also figured out Ame was Doctor, and I think that was just Hu Tao who figured it out.

There are like...possibilities of outer scum, but yeah. I think Dave claims, we converse about the full claim and setup, and we fade Hu Tao probs.

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wait was the ame/FL/hu tao neighborhood fake

Yes.

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We were troll posting

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If Hu Tao was actually cop, it could have hid them in certain scenarios, but yeah.

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For Snivy to be scum, they need to have neighborized Hu Tao partner Night 1 to setup for it to look like it.

Not saying it didn’t happen, just would require it.

It kinda just looks like Hu Tao worked Snivy. It was a good work, can’t blame Snivy if Snivy town.

I’m a little salty at myself because I KNEW Nono felt townie on Day 2, and that Hu Tao felt scummy, but it’s okay. It was a hard one to try to turn on Hu Tao anyways, and I still got worked.

It was just very well played by Hu Tao.

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Geraint, if town (i think they are, but I’m questioning everything now), starts to get Inno’s on players if Hu Tao ends up being a roleblocker. If not, still able to be a roleblocker out there, so a little rough

Idk. Im really thinking it’s in the aforementioned 3, though

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Like unless Hu Tao and co knew they were guiltied by role related reasons, like a Track on Nono to Hu Tao, it doesn’t make sense for Geraint to really bus Kitty to save Hu Tao for the gambit, so Geraint probably gets to win if they’re scum.

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UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Wait for Geraint target claim.

Not doing another not claiming and then having PR dead like with Ame. If Ame claimed their target, we would have a confirmed inno. It's probably just Geraint, but yeah.

It's also possible Ame targeted Hu Tao, and then scum no killed, but idk.

Would have been nice to have it said.

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UNVOTE: Hu Tao

Wait for Geraint target claim.

Not doing another not claiming and then having PR dead like with Ame. If Ame claimed their target, we would have a confirmed inno. It's probably just Geraint, but yeah.

It's also possible Ame targeted Hu Tao, and then scum no killed, but idk.

Would have been nice to have it said.

gera could claim in our PT too

yes, but if one of you or gera are scum, and kill me, it's not confirmable.

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could have been informed of a Cop in the game.

Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Miller, Neighborizer PR's in this game, interesting.

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i don't see any reason for gera not to claim publicly?

He should claim publicy 100%.

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And we need to wait for Daves to get here and claim too, so lets not rush to end this day phase.

I want to talk with everyone still. we have plenty of time.

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oh, that was a hammer then.

Okay, then scum is probably in Snivy, Drew, or Abnegation then

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VOTE: Hu Tao

Should be fun

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Alright, Drew. Let's get up on the stage.

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Nono getting roleblocked Night 2, and Geraint tracking Abnegation soft clears Abnegation. They can only be scum if Multitasking Ninja Roleblocker exactly.

Drew has to be Multitasking Roleblocker who didn't act Night 3 (or Ninja), but I think there's evidence out there to clear almost every slot except Drew on play.

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I can tinfoil everyone, like Geraint Gambit, Ninja Abneg, daves and klazam have some associatives that look anti partner from the players, but really, the best solution that feels like it fits is Doctor Drew.

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ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

Why exactly do you think Leaf is townie?

ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

How do you know they are town?

this seems like one of the best examples of Drew and Hu Tao playing on the same page. Snivy mentioned a town read on me, and both Drew and Hu tao immediately tried to question it.

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This was Snivy's last post about Drew slot.

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Alternatively,

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^this was KittyMo's entrance into a game where they were scum earlier this year.

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^This was their entrance into this game. Pretty similar.

In the first game, they voted their scum partner, and here they voted Geraint.

In the neighborhood last night, Snivy was pretty down to be on the same page, so it's possible Geraint saw and wanted to take that out. Bussing that way from Geraint's side is just weird, though, and for them to be scum, it requires them to be Multitasking Roleblocker Loud (Insert Role Here), where Loud only effects the 2nd role.

I'm getting super big paranoia on Geraint, but logically and gut I'm leaning Drew.

Niche mech reasons also go Drew.

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Davesaz ISO looks anti partnery, and they kind of challenge Hu Tao casually multiple times, which is really weird scum theatre, and I think it's just not, and Hu Tao trying to control narrative.

Klazam analysis yesterday I looked into overnight, and I agreed with a lot of it. I also don't believe it makes too much sense to claim Miller if they know a Cop is going to go down that day phase. Good miller claim if scum, but Idk if I see it.

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Why do you want me to 'get up on stage' if you are just gonna throw out false accusations of me. You even are explaining away the track on me lol.

The simplest solution is the correct solution, I am just VT.

Pre Edit: Lol, oh I see the answer is Enchant is just scum....I will let you guess which one of us is Enchant here

then who is it? i'm town.

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why does it have to be me or you here for you?

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why does it have to be me or you here for you?

It doesn't have to be, but then why does it have to be me.

My first instinct just says your actions here are not in good faith.

I could really give you a plethora of reasons, but i wanna hear your thoughts on the other players.