Mini Normal 2310 | Day 7

[Doctor Drew]

there goes the mafia.gg player

Lol, I am really any better?

[Doctor Drew]

I know I should unvote, but I like some pressure on Anaconda.

[Doctor Drew]

ah, damn, Drew's scum here

[Doctor Drew]

I know I should unvote, but I like some pressure on Anaconda.

let's add some more then!

VOTE: abnegation

Oh spicy play here Asbestos

[Doctor Drew]

Mod remember I repped in

Thank you.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol Dave is scum

Can't remember the last time I say stay in background and snipe Flavor Leaf

Happy to see the pace isn't too bad.
Not as happy to see a low s/n ratio.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Anyone ever read games they wrote ten years ago?
Was everyone cringe or just me?

i wasn't here ten years ago but my old games do make me cringe lol.

VOTE: scorpius

What’s the reasoning for these votes?

They fulfilled thr criteria to be voted

Can I borrow your scum checklist for a couple minutes?

But why are so many people getting their boxers in a twist over needing a reason for a vote or a read?

Makes me think people are getting a bit worried, if you pick up what I am putting down.

Also, getting pinged town by Hu Tao.

[Doctor Drew]

Lol Dave is scum

Can't remember the last time I say stay in background and snipe Flavor Leaf

Happy to see the pace isn't too bad.
Not as happy to see a low s/n ratio.
VOTE: camelCasedSnivy

Anyone ever read games they wrote ten years ago?
Was everyone cringe or just me?

i wasn't here ten years ago but my old games do make me cringe lol.

VOTE: scorpius

What’s the reasoning for these votes?

They fulfilled thr criteria to be voted

Can I borrow your scum checklist for a couple minutes?

But why are so many people getting their boxers in a twist over needing a reason for a vote or a read?

Makes me think people are getting a bit worried, if you pick up what I am putting down.

Also, getting pinged town by Hu Tao.

Why?

Oh jeez you too lol?

But honestly I feel a vibe from you I didn't get from Utopia.

[Doctor Drew]

lol hu tao is town

Wait, I thought they were scum wtf

[Doctor Drew]

lol hu tao is town

Wait, I thought they were scum wtf

Ha, totally read this wrong.....had me checking the Utopia thread all confused.

And I was wrong, this is 'faking post restriction' Flavor.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh jeez you too lol?

But honestly I feel a vibe from you I didn't get from Utopia.

I thought your hydra town read me in utopia though?

Well I did.

And uh.....remember you did end up being scum.

So if I think you are different here........??

[Doctor Drew]

Oh jeez you too lol?

But honestly I feel a vibe from you I didn't get from Utopia.

I thought your hydra town read me in utopia though?

Well I did.

And uh.....remember you did end up being scum.

So if I think you are different here........??

Okay. I'm mostly concerned about people trying to pocket that way. I caught a scum that way before.

From people town reading you off of play from a previous game?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Klazam

I think they backed off after seeing people townread me and it didn't seem natural in the first place.

Ya know, I think I might sheep you for the time being.

VOTE: klazam

Also, Abeg hasn't been scum in forever and I know she wants it. I wouldn't past her rolling scum and then doing a bit of open wolfing tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

Y’all ain’t ready for this leaf flavored jelly

As long as you bring the beef, we cool

[Doctor Drew]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

[Doctor Drew]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

i mean, they could have gotten mixed up, it just vibes town to me and idk how to explain it.

I will admit, genuinely happy for you that you finally rolled scum.

[Doctor Drew]

actually that might be a townslip.

How?

it points towards kitty having a real read on leek that they just didn't post for whatever reason, as opposed to making up a townread "crumbling" when they'd never even mentioned one.

i feel like i'm not explaining this very well but i can't think how to explain it better.

Meh that seems like a stretch, they also could have just made up the town read and forgot they actually posted said read.

I am watching you Aspartame.

i mean, they could have gotten mixed up, it just vibes town to me and idk how to explain it.

I will admit, genuinely happy for you that you finally rolled scum.

i did actually roll scum today, rolled red in marathon secret hitler. that was...an experience.

Oh I love that game, hope someone runs another one during marathon.

[Doctor Drew]

is your sr on me a serious read?

Do I ever joke around?

[Doctor Drew]

is your sr on me a serious read?

Do I ever joke around?

Also, why assume I scum read you?

[Doctor Drew]

is your sr on me a serious read?

Do I ever joke around?

no, i've literally never seen you make a joke post. are you implying your read is a joke? that's weird. i'm keeping an eye on you.
(i figured, but i thought it better to ask than to assume)

In all seriousness, I am thinking you might be scum here.

*puts on serious Drew face*

[Doctor Drew]

Are you saying it feels a little bland and needs some more ______

Drew

spiciness.......I agree.

VOTE: Flavor

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Flavor

Pssh, how can you get a guilty on yourself, this is an odd day.

[Doctor Drew]

I’m okay getting faded now before I effort and take over thread

Don't try to mindmeld me and put me in your pocket.

[Doctor Drew]

You heard the man, get this choo choo a choo-ing

Vote Flavor ftw

[Doctor Drew]

ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

Why exactly do you think Leaf is townie?

[Doctor Drew]

ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

Why exactly do you think Leaf is townie?

ugh do yall really trust klazam

dont see a reason we should go leaf over klazam if youre that willing to wagon a townie

How do you know they are town?

Vibe level 1000

[Doctor Drew]

I like Leek’s posting. Looks like solid analysis for this point in the game, nothing looks too forced, nothing super deep. I’m good with that slot.

Klazam i kinda lean town, but i also think there’s something off in the people pushing Snivy while Snivy is pushing Klazam, so I could see that slot being lean scum.

Blackstar hasn’t really done enough so far, i got town pinged earlier, but pings are fleeting after time, so neutral lean town.

Daves and Ame could go either way, they’re on opposite sides of my reads right now, and i could see them both being scum taking advantage.

Drew is super scummy this game i almost wanna say too scummy to be scum, and I feel like it’s possible they knew I was catching onto them being scum, so they’re trying a come after me half jokingly half real kind of way to be able to pivot if need be, but also to add pressure if need be, and i tend to think that’s more indicative of ScumDrew.

Well, tbf you have only seen me as scum when you were mod. And me coming after you was a in semi jokingly manner, but you should know that I try not to be serious all the time. Much like how I initially kept my vote on Abdeg, my vote on you is serious.

It is funny, what you are accusing me of doing I actually think you are doing( ya ya omgus and all that lol). I have town read you as of late and kinda have a grip of your town game. Not that I as one player would be a huge threat to a scumFlavor, I do feel like you had to get ahead of things and get the ball rolling on calling me scum since I am sure you are aware of my tendency to get scum read by players unfamiliar with my play style. In that regards you can set up an easy mis lim, and then not look that bad even if it goes through.

[Doctor Drew]

You were scum in Demon Slayer, and I felt that there too

Ahh how can I forget about that game lol, I always felt that wasn't too indictive of my scum game though, it led to me getting town read in your game after all.

And i actively play different styles, I got a large sample pool to pull from. Gotta get more research into doing other things.

I don’t think i needed to get the ball rolling on scum you here, if anything it just made you come for me

I know you like to switch things up, but I wasn't getting the Flavor Town Pings I have gotten from you as late so much like in Bianco's normal mini(before Utopia), I am pushing you to sort you.....townFlavor isn't that difficult to find.

You actively agreed to you doing what I said you were doing, though, so that response is odd considering how early in the game this is and the fact that you agree with my reasoning

What do you mean? I didn't agree to what you were accusing me of, just said you were the one doing it.

[Doctor Drew]

And it’s not like i haven’t known you from the past.

You were in every Baker game, and I was technically backup mod for a few of those.

His games were fun, wish he would come back.

[Doctor Drew]

You mean you haven’t gotten the flavor town pings from my troll post meme’ing where I still give my reads.

Interesting.

Because the last time I did some type of Day 1 Meme posting, you were scum and I was town, so Ty for bringing that up

And after that I pushed you so you would reveal your alignment since you said you don't effort D1.

In the Bianco game I mentioned.

I don't remember pushing you D1 in Demon Slayer.

[Doctor Drew]

You vindicated my push when you brought up you always try to keep it half joke half serious, which is the point.

So by saying that’s what you were doing, and saying you didn’t agree with me is contradictive.

No I said I am basically always joking around, I have fun playing this game.

And then I said my votes on you and Adbeg were serious.

There is a difference that you seemingly are missing, whether purposely or not.

[Doctor Drew]

I go off vibes.

That last game made me turn my mech and meta brain off

That last game ended(hi5 btw), compare D1's.

But your meta brain isn't turned off if you are trying to use meta to say I am scum here.

You are being selective in the meta you are using.

And you know I am a vibe player as well, hence my issue with you here.

[Doctor Drew]

That’s how you’re supposed to use meta tbh.

Meta is supplementary.

I’m also going off the action you chose to do.

I laid some traps, and you triggered em

You lay traps.

I give you an opportunity to clear yourself.

Meta is how I cleared you as lock town in Utopia, it isn't just supplementary.

And in the previous Bianco game.....I feel like a broken record now lol.

You change how you play every game, but you have a tone/vibe/je nais se quois about you that seems obvious.....which I don't see here.

And yes, I will admit part of it was you calling me scum right out of the gate. Didn't really make sense........hence why I have approached you the way I have.

[Doctor Drew]

Idc about clearing myself, my actions will do so in the future anyways.

I care about forcing scum to take action so i can read

K

You literally are saying what I am doing.

Then post game this game’ll prove why you should use meta as supplementary.

How about you prove it here?

[Doctor Drew]

also, regarding page 13

there we could witness a discussion between two people, Drew and Leaf

once I played in a game where the scumpair got an idea that during d1 they'll hold a big, whole page conversation, not really a meaningful exchange, just enough appear quite active and to "not hurt reach other" too much

I got such vibes from page 13

a matter to observe

especially since I don't really know what conclusions arised from that Drew/Leaf discussion, seemed like a banter and nobody even commented on it

This feels like a secondary reason that Drew wanted to have that conversation with me and another supplementary reason as to why I backed away from it

Actually any secondary or tertiary reason for wanting to engage with you was to try to get others to comment on Flavor Leaf, not your choice of memeing on D1 here.

Hasn't really gone how I thought, and now I realize I need to listen to my own advice from Utopia and not try to sort you on D1, and it let you organically speak town or scum to me. Though I will say that I don't think you are approaching me in good faith, but you will show more of a scummy side if my gut ping is correct.

I will say I kinda don't like the heat Dave is getting for that one post on Flavor. IIRC, and they even said as much, that is kinda how they post and I believe in years past I even thought it was scummy, seems pretty superficial tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

I also agree with Blackstar that Drew's "why do you assume I scum read you" is weird. Bruh, you just implied in several post that she's maf lol.

Drew what's up with this??

A vote, especially very early D1, doesn't always mean you are scum.

I have played a million games with her, and while I can't read her the best a little pressure is always good to start things

Honestly probably wouldn't have voted her, but who I repped into did so I said 'fuck it let's run with it'

[Doctor Drew]

I will say I kinda don't like the heat Dave is getting for that one post on Flavor. IIRC, and they even said as much, that is kinda how they post and I believe in years past I even thought it was scummy, seems pretty superficial tbh.

Which one?

On phone so trying not to search for it, but where they said Flavor could be town, scum, or his posting could just be NAI.

Pre Edit: Well there was some joking involved when I said that, but again......pressure(and i assumed she would get the joke).

[Doctor Drew]

Also for context, Adbeg has said that she has like 11 games in a row rolling town and she wants to roll scum so badly.

[Doctor Drew]

Can you break down why my interaction with her seems so bad to you?

That literally reeks of 'Drew being Drew'

Pre Edit: Lol Dave, and keeps sniping me as well

[Doctor Drew]

Can you break down why my interaction with her seems so bad to you?

That literally reeks of 'Drew being Drew'

Pre Edit: Lol Dave, and keeps sniping me as well

*Ame not and lol

[Doctor Drew]

also, regarding page 13

there we could witness a discussion between two people, Drew and Leaf

once I played in a game where the scumpair got an idea that during d1 they'll hold a big, whole page conversation, not really a meaningful exchange, just enough appear quite active and to "not hurt reach other" too much

I got such vibes from page 13

a matter to observe

especially since I don't really know what conclusions arised from that Drew/Leaf discussion, seemed like a banter and nobody even commented on it

This feels like a secondary reason that Drew wanted to have that conversation with me and another supplementary reason as to why I backed away from it

Actually any secondary or tertiary reason for wanting to engage with you was to try to get others to comment on Flavor Leaf, not your choice of memeing on D1 here.

Hasn't really gone how I thought, and now I realize I need to listen to my own advice from Utopia and not try to sort you on D1, and it let you organically speak town or scum to me. Though I will say that I don't think you are approaching me in good faith, but you will show more of a scummy side if my gut ping is correct.

I will say I kinda don't like the heat Dave is getting for that one post on Flavor. IIRC, and they even said as much, that is kinda how they post and I believe in years past I even thought it was scummy, seems pretty superficial tbh.

Also, selfishly I enjoy a good tussle and I know Leaf loves the beef as well. We seem to vibe well so thought we could have some fun going back and forth.

And use it as a way to sink my teeth into this game.

[Doctor Drew]

Can you break down why my interaction with her seems so bad to you?

That literally reeks of 'Drew being Drew'

Pre Edit: Lol Dave, and keeps sniping me as well

I don't think it's bad, just weird. It's like you forgot in the middle of your conversation that you were calling her scum, which actually might be townie thinking about it

No, I know what I said. And like I said, we have played a million games together and used the vote on her when I repped in as a chance to push her in a different way then I have before(if memory serves me correct).

[Doctor Drew]

Doctor Drew
Nono
camelCasedSnivy

I think are the wolves.

That's a spicy list. Drew I could easily see, but cCS and Nono have been starting to redeem themselves. The game needs some fireworks though so by all means please elaborate.
pedit: nice, things are waking up a bit, 2nd post in a row I've had pop up with new activity

I don't like the cCS is holding onto a stale read. He voted Klaz for X, Klaz's play around X has developed since then, but cCS hasn't updated his read around it. It reads to me more as someone who needs to elim someone more so than someone who is trying to solve.

There isn't anything good in Nono's posts so far. There's no reasoning behind their Hu push (that I can follow at least). But really it's just the eyes glazing over bit that pinged me because I found the game really easy to read and get into upon coming in, and I'm a

super

slow reader.

Also there's a bit of PoE because I think BlackStar, Hu Tao, Abnegation, KittyTacky, SzmarzLeek, Flavor Leaf, and Klazam are all town.

geraintm is neutral

You and drew are peculiar. I think just one in the two of you is scum though.

That is a very meaty town list this early in the game.

[Doctor Drew]

Suspicious post. I think its too early for that.

What post are you referring to?

[Doctor Drew]

I claim even night gunsmith

[Doctor Drew]

I really really get bad vibes from Ame, I wish I had experience with her play but the vibe is off.

So fuck it, let's kick these tires

VOTE: Ame

[Doctor Drew]

I wish I had experience with her play

Theres two games in my sig!

Wait how come mine doesn’t show.

This did make me chuckle lol

In your user CP there should be an option to enable your sig.......I think I did the same thing as you a long time ago.

[Doctor Drew]

Done!

Yay!

Are those the only two games you have played on here?

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

So your solution is to gift mafia who the town PR's are?

[Doctor Drew]

but like do you really think anyone would actually agree with me? the most i could see is someone like flavor leaf but town as a whole never agrees

Listen, I get jokey shit posting......that is a bulk of my game.

But you have kinda positioned this as being serious until called out on it.

[Doctor Drew]

Anyone down for a mass claim

Anyone down for a mass claim

On page 18? Why? Honest question, why?

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs

[b/]

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

I don't think there's any track if town motivation in wanting a mass claim so early.

Sure there is - PRs often play like mafia. It's difficult to solve the game when you have townies playing like mafs. i like to just remove that variable because i think my solving abilities when everything is out on the table outweigh the potential benefit of the prs[/b

but like also i know no one would ever actually be down for that, so it's mostly in jest

So your solution is to gift mafia who the town PR's are?

but like do you really think anyone would actually agree with me? the most i could see is someone like flavor leaf but town as a whole never agrees

Note the bolded.

[Doctor Drew]

Ah shit, fucked up the formatting, but still makes sense lol

[Doctor Drew]

I play day 1 that way, I tend to solve better later days when there's a flip I can push off of, but d1 I'm not good enough to do more than vibes.

I get where you are coming from, in a large game I am probably useless until D3, but in a smaller game here don't discount D1 vibes.

Though I don't remember you being this way IIRC.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew

- weird convo with Flavor
- full on attack on Ame

that's what's memorable about Drew

Drew, what did you get from your conversation with Flavor, do you scumread or townread them?

I got some of what I wanted from Flavor, they became more active. I kinda scum read him, but unless he spews town I am not going to try to sort him D1, and unfortunately he was not spewing town, at least imo.

And full on attack? I just think she has a good chance of flipping scum....you make it seem like I kicked her puppy and stole her purse lol.

But at least I am making somewhat of an impression on you haha.

[Doctor Drew]

flavor leaf is playing different i noticed that much

feel like scum flavor leaf would stick to how he usually plays

He plays different most games, at least initially.

I have limited experience with scumFlavor, but in the one game I did see he was more aggressive and brought the beef more, and I saw signs of that in our interaction. But like I said, unless he town spews D1 I won't try to figure him out, especially since people seem to not realize the recent history we have together and what I was trying to do, so it was turning vanity.

I will give them room and let them expose themselves one way or another.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

Yes because a random lock town read that doesn't make sense could mean they're masons (those are in normal games? I don't know where to find the list). Hence why the mass claim thing popped up in my mind at the time. I like to remove all of these pesky variables that make people act scummy when they aren't.

What in the actual fuck is this?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

Yes because a random lock town read that doesn't make sense could mean they're masons (those are in normal games? I don't know where to find the list). Hence why the mass claim thing popped up in my mind at the time. I like to remove all of these pesky variables that make people act scummy when they aren't.

What in the actual fuck is this?

I have to ask what you other account is here.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew/Daves/cCS/nono are still the flips I want to see. I wouldn't go Daves today because of Kitty locktowning him. nono being a bugspray archetype changes things -- from scummy to eternal coin flip. I'm not sure there's a reliable way to read them. cCS is the most "this is a hit" feel.

You wouldn't lim someone because someone else on D1, who admittedly has said they aren't great on D1, has lock towned them?

You certainly puzzle me to no end, how am I supposed to think that you are anything but scum?

People put way too much stock into their Day 1 reads. Scum tend to do it because it reinforces A comfortable position, and then town do it because pocketed and agrees in reads and again, is comfortable. People don’t like to go against the status quo, but 10 individuals coming together are stronger than 2 or 3 hive minds with possibly infected leaders

Imo, there’s obvious scum in Leek and Ame. I also think Ame is just hard pocketed, but like, in a way where they can’t even give solid reasons for town Leek probs

I feel way way more confident about D1 town reads than D1 scum reads, which is why Ame is puzzling me.....I know sometimes enchant is just scum......but seems too easy.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, vote for FL

Why are you trying to get me to vote Flavor?

Like why me?

I have my theories but would like to here from you first.

[Doctor Drew]

i remember one time that leaf said if hes scum he tries to go for town mislim day 1

that being said, he could be doing a gambit but i doubt it so if leek flips scum i give FL heaps of towncred

VOTE: Leek

Umm.....wouldn't any scum player want a town mislim on D1??

[Doctor Drew]

i remember one time that leaf said if hes scum he tries to go for town mislim day 1

that being said, he could be doing a gambit but i doubt it so if leek flips scum i give FL heaps of towncred

VOTE: Leek

Umm.....wouldn't any scum player want a town mislim on D1??

ofc but they would rather sit back while town performs the mislim

i assume here FL means as scum he would lead the charge against a townie

Ahh ok, I get what you mean now, tbf I am the idiot here lol.

[Doctor Drew]

You can go and check my scum games, I’m rarely ever on a day 1 town misfade, and i had loads to do with it happening.

I push through misfade by manipulating gamestate to do so.

In Pokémon, there was a 13 player wagon on a fade day 1 with zero of us scum on it

You didn't vote LLD?

[Doctor Drew]

You can go and check my scum games, I’m rarely ever on a day 1 town misfade, and i had loads to do with it happening.

I push through misfade by manipulating gamestate to do so.

In Pokémon, there was a 13 player wagon on a fade day 1 with zero of us scum on it

You didn't vote LLD?

LLD was Day 2

Ahh mixed up my days, forgot I died N2 not N1

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Drew

Speaking of pocketing.....

.....could this be a pocketing attempt??

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Drew

Speaking of pocketing.....

.....could this be a pocketing attempt??

Wondering why someone is moving their vote nonstop is a pocketing attempt?

Oh, my bad.....I read it as this was a reaction to their vote on me.

I mean, that should be the correct reaction tbf....lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Snivy look at my sig you bastard! haha

[Doctor Drew]

oh my god how could you do this to me drew

shamelessly taken out of context

Made me laugh so much when I first read it, had to go in my sig

[Doctor Drew]

Hu, Gera: Ame is a maf. If you want to lim maf today vote for me

Helping you out here and fixing your post for you Ame

[Doctor Drew]

I will shave my head if Ame is town.

[Doctor Drew]

Yeah, we have one day.

Please come over to Leek. They've been doing nothing and letting Ame do all the dirty work for them because Ame got pocketed. Please break up the Ame-Leek pair, and we confirm who is correct with the Leek slot.

Can I tunnel Ame on D2 regardless of Leek's flip if I choose to vote Leek?

[Doctor Drew]

You do know I am coming after Ame no matter what? Even if I decide to vote Leek here.

I have been down this 'such obvscum D1' path before.....especially as of late.

I don't get how you are allergic to voting her, Flavor.

[Doctor Drew]

Fuck it

VOTE: Leek

E-1

Ame, nothing personal, but all my fury is coming after you tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

I want people to read this game from here: at least just Day 2 of it where I linked. You can do so over night, it's not that long.

viewtopic.php?p=13760952#p13760952

I had multiple townies who were anti-me at the time.

Also, IF I FOR SOME REASON DIE TONIGHT....

FADE HU TAO.

I cannot make this any clearer, and it'll be more obvious if I die.

Lol, Hu Tao was scum that game as well.

I strangely am feeling a bit better about Ame, I think you said if Flavor, but this over aggressiveness and tunneling can be hard to to fake......and hey I have been tunneling her so I can get the emotions sh is displaying.

[Doctor Drew]

Same thoughts as dave there.

Im not sure how to feel about the amount of posts flavor is putting out, but i think it is understandable being in middle of limbo post hammer. I think we can absolutely see what happens with the night actions. Don't entirely trust Flavor.

Flavor is forever a hyper poster.

[Doctor Drew]

What even is going on lol.

Everyone's a cop!

Take down this police state!!

[Doctor Drew]

Hoods are actually mad powerful if the people in them can find each other

Oh I love a good Hood, the lovers games are one of my favorite game setups.

I am so lonely this game though.

[Doctor Drew]

im scum cop xD

Spoiler: post flip

gl my team, don’t screw up, please)

I got you

[Doctor Drew]

Some people don’t like the type of gameplay it breeds. I love neighborhoods and playing tricky little neighborhood mind games

I have a good story for post game lol

[Doctor Drew]

Vanilla Town

[Doctor Drew]

I'm not scum. I'm town Miller. I just made a mistake. Let's vote outside me today. I'll try to find last 3 scum

Umm....

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Doctor Drew]

And we need to wait for Daves to get here and claim too, so lets not rush to end this day phase.

I want to talk with everyone still. we have plenty of time.

Did he site flake?

[Doctor Drew]

VC 4.02

Hu Tao (3):

Hu Tao, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Not voting (5):

Doctor Drew, geraintm, Davesaz, Klazam, Flavor Leaf,

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 4 ends in 2023-10-04 03:06:57 -4.00

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[Doctor Drew]

VC 4.02

Hu Tao (3):

Hu Tao, Abnegation, camelCasedSnivy

Not voting (5):

Doctor Drew, geraintm, Davesaz, Klazam, Flavor Leaf,

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 4 ends in 2023-10-04 03:06:57 -4.00

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[Doctor Drew]

What in the actual shit.....

I was trying to say I was voting Hu, I don't know how my post even happened.

[Doctor Drew]

Why do you want me to 'get up on stage' if you are just gonna throw out false accusations of me. You even are explaining away the track on me lol.

The simplest solution is the correct solution, I am just VT.

Pre Edit: Lol, oh I see the answer is Enchant is just scum....I will let you guess which one of us is Enchant here

[Doctor Drew]

why does it have to be me or you here for you?

It doesn't have to be, but then why does it have to be me.

My first instinct just says your actions here are not in good faith.

[Doctor Drew]

Why do you want me to 'get up on stage' if you are just gonna throw out false accusations of me. You even are explaining away the track on me lol.

The simplest solution is the correct solution, I am just VT.

Pre Edit: Lol, oh I see the answer is Enchant is just scum....I will let you guess which one of us is Enchant here

Explain “enchant is scum”

Call back to a couple games FL and I played with Enchant where Enchant was scum. Kinda just means that sometimes the obvious solution is the correct solution, and to not overthink it.

So in this situation, I am saying my first instinct in regards to FL seems correct, he is just scum here.

[Doctor Drew]

Because I believe in almost every situation here, you are the obvious choice for scum this game.

My plan of action here is:

Doctor Drew today

If game continues, you can fade me for your own security.

And then you get put into a 50/50 with Klazam/Davesaz.

I don’t believe it passes Drew, and I actively take the loss as scum with this plan, so it makes no sense for me to push it like that.


I’ll do one better

I believe Doctor Drew is exactly a Multitasking Even Night Roleblocker.

It will pass Drew.

Are you prepared to accept being faded tomorrow?

I know Drew is exactly a Vanilla Townie.

Let's see if that is the case

VOTE: Drew

[Doctor Drew]

Alright. I think I have nothing else to discuss on my end.

Gera town, abneg looks to be mechanically cleared, and Dave is not scum.

Leaving just these two FL and Drew.

I’m going to

VOTE: Doctor Drew


PEdit: the fuck is with all these self votes in this site meta? Changes nothing for me.

Flavor has it all figured out, I am scum right?

No way he is acting like Python in a previous game saying that mech wise I have to be scum.....nope Flavor wouldn't do that.......and no way Python was scum when doing that.....nope can't be.

Even with the only evidence out there was ger saying I never went anywhere, but has to be another explanation instead of Drew being VT.

I veered off Flavor when Ame seemed so scummy, that was my mistake, I then stuck to my stubborn belief of not sorting him on D1 even when he was scummy. And ya I don't have much of a read on Dave and Ger, but I have a big read on Flavor.

So go ahead and vote me, see where Flavor is wrong(that doesn't make him scum tbf), and then go back and look at our D1 interaction.

[Doctor Drew]

I will shave my head if Ame is town.

This made me chuckle.

UNVOTE:

Drew’s iso actually makes me feel differently.

People who are NOT flavorleaf- please look at Drew’s iso posts 9 to 11 (talking with Hu Tao)

Do you think that is a scum to scum conversation? I don’t feel like it is.

VOTE: Flavor

That was a false threat, I already shave my head lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't coordinate anything with my scum buddy, outside of a quick vote in elo.

Specifically for reasons like what Flavor quoted, I would want to keep every interaction as natural as possible.

I see panic in Flavor's posting here.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't coordinate anything with my scum buddy, outside of a quick vote in elo.

Specifically for reasons like what Flavor quoted, I would want to keep every interaction as natural as possible.

I see panic in Flavor's posting here.

[Doctor Drew]

Oops all double post

[Doctor Drew]

I don't coordinate anything with my scum buddy, outside of a quick vote in elo.

Specifically for reasons like what Flavor quoted, I would want to keep every interaction as natural as possible.

I see panic in Flavor's posting here.

So I’m being pushed as “confident scum” and “panicking as scum”

I do not panic as scum.

Literally this post is you panicking.

You don't get this defensive as town, you stand your ground and push for what you think is right.

[Doctor Drew]

everyone has replied now i believe.
i tracked Dr Drew last night and got.......

nothing. he was a good boy and stayed home

Really curious, FL, in your discussion about all the mechanics and stuff regarding Abnegation, why did you not mention this?

I have to admit I completely forgot this, and it feels like you’re kind of trying to bury this. Why would Drew not roleblock someone on N3?

I have actually mentioned it a few times in game thread, and Abneg/Geraint can confirm I mentioned it in neighborhood too.

We do not have any confirmations of a Roleblock happening on Night 3. Why wouldn’t Geraint get roleblocked that Night if scum had access to a roleblocker.

There’s a few scenarios:

One, during that day phase, we talked about Drew getting tracked. So one theory is they purposefully withheld while Hu Tao made the kill so they could get tracked and cleared.

The 2nd theory, is that they are an Even-Night Multitasking Roleblocker.

Geraint got roleblocked last night on Night 4, Nono on Night 2. Because Snivy also died, this confirms that the last scum is a Multitasking Roleblocker as is.

You just said this could be TvT with you and me.

And now are not including this possiblity in your little scenarios here.

VOTE: Flavor

[Doctor Drew]

Please note how all Drew does here is pop in to try and pure discredit or come up with some gotcha! Type of moment, and his stances and reads are surface based and barely even there.

While I have shown layers upon layers of my reads on every single slot in the game

You know full well you put that effort in as scum, you would make sure you appear 'transparent'.

You also know how I operate as town, you know me better then this generic smear campaign on me.

This isn't townFlavor......and he is acting like this because only I would point it out.

Again, look at our interaction when I subbed in......he wanted me gone from the game when I gave him some heat.

TownFlavor would have welcomed the heat from me since he knows we would come together as town eventually. Instead he fought back.

[Doctor Drew]

Demon Slayer it happened too. You only give me that type of heat when you are scum tbh.

Ame had you.

Snivy had you.

And they’re both dead now.

I didn’t want you gone from the game, or I’d have stayed on you.

If you were town, i would have found you, so I went forward.

You aren’t town here, though

Is the wine in front of you or me right now?

[Doctor Drew]

And like, you say I would have “welcomed the heat”

Sure, but I welcome the heat with imm cook you up roast you out alive type of heat, but in a good way, and you got that here.

Like, there’s heat, it’s cooking

And i still ended up being on your side after, so like you are pushing a town case on me with that and trying to twist it to fit your narrative.

Like a narrative that I must be some roleblocker instead of just a VT?

[Doctor Drew]

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

[Doctor Drew]

I would like to think you are laughing at my wifom joke.

But, this isn't townFlavor. At least person besides him here knows I understand their town game.

The last sentence is true. And you know I am town.

You aren’t trying to read me, you’re trying to fade me.

There is the big difference between your play this game versus how my play was.

I have explained and pushed you as scum. You have simply discredit and pushed to misfade.

You literally pushed for my misfade today.

I have been trying to read you from the second I repped in this game, only was distracted by Ame.

I have read you, and you are scum......and I am appealing to Alianna's emotions at least, she knows I can read you......I just hope she trusts me.

[Doctor Drew]

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

Again, didn't you just say that this could be TvT??

[Doctor Drew]

It ain’t me, Drew.

If I’m wrong on you, Drew, it’s TvT.

It ain’t me, though

from reading the current convo

i agree with hu tao

abt how abnegation might have said that to appear townie and i dont have much reason to assume otherwise so

VOTE: Abnegation

i just read this early post by aspectenicor (who drew replaced)

newbscum post?

This + Snivy death after + Ame read change right before Ame died + Ame thinking Drew was scum for majority of the game

There’s just layers of reasons why Drew is scum.

Snivy is just an absurdly bad kill if I were scum

Again, didn't you just say that this could be TvT??

The only world it could be possible in is a Klazam Scum world, and I already responded and explained why I initially thought Klazam could be scum trying to mischain us, but both Abneg and I think the Miller claim just always locks Klazam here as town.

I even had more reasons than that to town read Klazam based on their analysis, which I talked about overnight.

So you keep bringing that up like you’re trying to aim for it because you have to reason that if I get flipped.

I was talking about you and me.

[Doctor Drew]

This is not a pocket attempt either

If this were to be a pocket attempt, it loses everything the second Drew flips green, and I just lose thereafter as scum.

Drew was trying to push me as panicky, but this ain’t panicky.

This Passionatey.

This that Flavor obsessed with mafia, obsessed with the hunt of catching scum,

I’m IN IT, and I put my all into solving.

I don’t get to late game as town much anymore, and THIS IS IT!

I caught me a scum.

Didja now?

Let's find out.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think I am invested in this game enough to state my case anymore, Lim me, and then figure things out tomorrow(btw I go out of my way to stay invested when I am scum).

I said what I needed to say

[Doctor Drew]

Wait, gera is loud?

[Doctor Drew]

I get town pings from Drew here and there, but i have reasons to town read everyone else, and Drew isn’t really giving anything to go off but a tunnel which just looks like scum saving their own skin

If you’re town, you gotta look and read all slots, Drew. Come on, this is end game.

I stated why I think you are scum here, unfortunately it is vibe and tone and harder to explain than any iso will show.

And yes, I have focused on just a few slots this game and has left me not as invested since a couple game days ago.

That and some frustration to me being seen as scum when I am not.

[Doctor Drew]

here's what i was looking for.

Spoiler: quote from town!drew

I wonder if the defeated “hammer away” attitude would really come from last scum. Even though I’ve literally seen scum do that. Paranoia go brr.

I definitely don't get defeated as scum, I would be flipping tables lol, I accepted it quite awhile ago.

I also feel confident it is between Merlyn and T3. And I see that there is a little support for T3 so I feel the town is in good-ish hands.

Jeez, do you have a whole Rolodex of Drew Quotes?

Also spoiler, I was right about T3 being scum that game lol.

Now tbf, I am capable of changing my meta as scum , but pretty much this is an accurate take.

Though I did gently nudge some tables with my back and forth with Flavor last night lol.

Pre Edit: I probably should look at Dave instead of being a bit woe is me. Gotta see if anything can shake me off of Flavor.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe Abnegation is just a scum Ninja, and if so, I’m willing to let them win this game

Honestly would be happy for her lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe Abnegation is just a scum Ninja, and if so, I’m willing to let them win this game

if i'm ninja and i had kitty do the kill instead of me n1, i don't think i deserve to win lol.

Yeah, that was one of my defenses of it in the neighborhood too, I think.

I think part of me just wants you to be scum for Drew v FL sake of it all

I still think Drew tactics all make scum here even when they make me feel bad for pushing them and sympathizing.

They have to as scum.

But like it sucks to reward a possible scumDave here.

Possible ScumKlazam played Drew v FL setup from yesterday, but I also agreed with that analysis, so it’s not really scummy outright.

Geraint can win free if they’re scum pulling a big gambit too imo. I can’t see myself seeing them gambiting like this here, and if they are, props.





Drew’s doing well to harp on me, and like it still makes sense to me on

I mean, if you are acting in good faith don't feel bad, and if you are scum you should feel good lol.

But for the sake of the game, let's both of us pretend the other is confTown.....then who is scum?

I am bit more invigorated now, thanks to you and Ali, so I have some work to do to give my best guess.

[Doctor Drew]

Well I already claimed, was gonna finally look at Dave at some point today.

Hopefully no one has an itchy trigger finger lol

[Doctor Drew]

Im fine with this.

VOTE: Drew

I guess I won't bother looking at Dave then.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I was truthful, just ol Vanilla Town Drew.

Maybe I can look at Drew if mod doesn't lock the thread for a few hours.

[Doctor Drew]

Also I was truthful, just ol Vanilla Town Drew.

Maybe I can look at Drew if mod doesn't lock the thread for a few hours.

Drew as in Dave, which is ironic since Dave is my first name.

[Doctor Drew]

It is funny, I had a good streak of not being mislimmed dating back almost a year, but you bastards broke the streak lol.