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[Empking]

Vote: ekiM

For not random voting.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: AT

This is a serious vote.

AT lied. (Fl did have a random vote and its not like it was hard to find.)
AT lied again. (i did random vote)
AT acted like a single random vote on a player without any votes was trying to make a bandwagon.

[Empking]

1. What? lol I didn't lie - I said Fl didn't make a random vote, and he admitted it..

so maybe it wasn't a "random" vote, per se....

He just needed me to clarify that I was pointing out it not being random YET not being serious either

He said ""random" vote" that's different from Random Vote.

2. You had a random vote? If it was random, why give a reason?

Vote: ekiM

For not random voting.

It's hardly random when you say "For..."

You give reasons with random votes.

3. Any vote that is scum-hunting or serious in nature is a vote intended for a lynch, or a wagon to lead to such - - are you saying you put serious votes on people to protect them from wagons? lmao

This is a bunch of lies.

I never said my vote was serious. AT is the one saying that.

lol Don't waste my time, Little guy...

I'm right so he resorts to Ad Homs.

[Empking]

lol "Excellent Case", Little guy.

Ad Hom instead of responses.

[Empking]

1. What? lol I didn't lie - I said Fl didn't make a random vote, and he admitted it..

so maybe it wasn't a "random" vote, per se....

He just needed me to clarify that I was pointing out it not being random YET not being serious either

He said ""random" vote" that's different from Random Vote.

He was clarifying that though it wasn't random it was NOT SERIOUS - and I agreed with him - pay attention in the future, Emp.

Are hyou as retard or do you know what a random vote is?

2. You had a random vote? If it was random, why give a reason?

Vote: ekiM

For not random voting.

It's hardly random when you say "For..."

You give reasons with random votes.

In the random stages the reasons are often humorous or don't make sense, or are exclamations of why they're random - - there are reasons for voting that pertains to GAMEPLAY and that makes it an actual vote - - you voted based on someones GAMEPLAY.

Vote: Bod

He used an E in his post.

OMG serious vote based on gameplay.

3. Any vote that is scum-hunting or serious in nature is a vote intended for a lynch, or a wagon to lead to such - - are you saying you put serious votes on people to protect them from wagons? lmao

This is a bunch of lies.

You just finished saying I don't respond to anything, and this is your idea of not being an ignorant hick?

No I didn't, I said one quote was ad hom instead of responses.

- - How is ANYTHING written above in my quote a lie? Are we to take you on your word? lol give EVIDENCE

I did.

I never said my vote was serious. AT is the one saying that.

It was serious because you based it on someone's gameplay - - Are you trying to say that if you vote and mislynch one of our town people, you can get off the hook by saying it wasn't serious? Is this a sick version of simon says? We don't have to hold you accountable for any votes unless you state "This is serious" ? lmao lmao lol!!!!!!!!

I never said that.

lol Don't waste my time, Little guy...

I'm right so he resorts to Ad Homs.

To be clear:
Myself and another player have decided to nickname Emp "Little Guy" until he decides to play the game like an adult/rational person.

I play adult like. I just resort to stupid insults when I casn't defend myself. I real adult.

Emp, Zwet, Millar - - they're all lopped up in the "WTF"? pile because they have a fetish for being lynched.

Emp is trying to distract us, rant and rave - and either get somebody mislynched, or have himself done in - - he's screwed over MANY towns by acting scummy as a towny or distracting us from real scumhunting.

Says mister. "Oops, Scum just quick hammered. I better distract the town by pretending to be the real hammerer."

Grow up, little guy.

Says the guy who can only

think

steral one insult.

[Empking]

Are hyou as retard or do you know what a random vote is?

Above speaks for itself...and makes me laugh lol

Do you know what a random vote is?

Vote: Bod

He used an E in his post.

OMG serious vote based on gameplay.

What is this an example of? Do you understand what I mean by voting based on gameplay?

Its an example of a random vote thayt you would consider a serious vote based on gameplay.

- - How is ANYTHING written above in my quote a lie? Are we to take you on your word? lol give EVIDENCE

I did.

Where's the evidence then? You can't just SAY it's there lol

In the post with the evidence.

It was serious because you based it on someone's gameplay - - Are you trying to say that if you vote and mislynch one of our town people, you can get off the hook by saying it wasn't serious? Is this a sick version of simon says? We don't have to hold you accountable for any votes unless you state "This is serious" ? lmao lmao lol!!!!!!!!

I never said that.

Then explain yourself!

I did. I random voted.

I play adult like. I just resort to stupid insults when I casn't defend myself. I real adult.

Quoting a fake version of me is childish....

Wow.

And you've been told what is expected of a decent player on mafia scum "Slayer's Gambit" is hardly an excuse to play poorly.

When did I give that as an excuse?

And your whole case is childish and blown out of proportion on your end. You based this whole case on calling me a liar - I proved to you I wasn't lying.

No you didn't

Says mister. "Oops, Scum just quick hammered. I better distract the town by pretending to be the real hammerer."

Can you please better explain this? It seems obscure and yet another attempt to distract us

The game we played in where you lynched the claimed un-counter claimed deputy.

[Empking]

We all know what a random vote is - you gave a HORRIBLE example with that letter "E" thing -

Justv wanted to make sure.

Besides, Emp, I don't need to defend myself to you, you have no case - we only just broke onto the second page, and you think I'm scum because I'm a "Liar"

Scum are able to do scummy things before page 3.

I'm a liar because I used someone as an example of who didn't make a random vote? Someone who agreed they didn't make a random vote,

No he agreed that he didn't do a ""random" vote". Don't put words into people's mouths.

but wanted it to be clear that it wasn't necessarily serious?

Nice case, Little Guy.

Ad Hom.

[Empking]

I apologize for exchanging the word random for random in Fl's mouth

Biggest. Scumtell. Ever.

He's misrepresenting the argument.

[Empking]

okay.

You admit it?

[Empking]

no, I'm ignoring you.

This is a lie, isn't it?

(Its also AT admitting that he's wrong due to the fact that he's unable to defend himself.)

[Empking]

Emp, I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in MY mouth and tell people I'm admitting things - it's pretty silly of you.

I'm ignoring you so I can wait for other people to post. You're wasting my time and polluting the board

You're obviously not ignoring me.

[Empking]

- I pointed out that the person he voted wasn't the only one who hadn't had a joke vote - I am indeed right as we agree -

Clu: Is that true or is AT lying again?

FL: AT said you agreed that is wasn't a "random vote" when you said ""random" vote"

[Empking]

It's best to play it by ear as we have no idea what the circumstances may be like, and in a game with more than one scum, claiming is beyond foolish as it will help the person's scum partner find the best NK -

Huh? There clearly are situations where claiming is the correct move, even if it will lead to your NK.

About this argument that's taken up a whole page: If a 'random vote' is one cast without any serious claim that the caster finds the target suspicious, then all the initial votes in this game were 'random'. I believe that would be the usual definition, and the one Empking intended. I'm not sure why AT thought it worth arguing the toss over a semantic point to try and accuse Empking of inconsistency.

Him being scum is one possible reason.

[Empking]

@Empking. No, it isn't true, but I don't think AT was lying, just getting the semantics mixed again.

How so?

You said (Paraphrasing) "It was a joke vote", he said (paraphrasing) "We agree it wasn't a joke vote."

I don't see the semantics.

[Empking]

@Uncle Pain

- Your question to FL suggests a "flaw" and "argument" - - I rather regard it as a misunderstanding over how one regarded a simple word - - And yes, I was being overcautious - - I've played with Emp enough to know that he often YES - votes for reasons much like the one he first gave, hence, based on his meta, I understandably INQUIRED as to just how serious it was - - - - The bulk of the head to head was me clarifying I wasn't lying.

And presumably the same is true for FL (?) as his vote was supposedly also not random.

UP: Yes.

[Empking]

UP: Why do you think my accusations are stronger than AT's?

[Empking]

And Emp - fuzzy lightning is another, in fact the first: to not random vote.

are you eager for a wagon to seem legit?

What was that?

[Empking]

AT: Do you honestly believe that ekiM is the personal attacker or the game and you're a victim?

[Empking]

AT, before you start accusing me of not having thoughts, when I was writing the post, and yes it did take me 20 minutes to write that post because I had received a phone call during that time, so bear with me that I didn't see your post until now.

Honestly, UP what are you trying for, if you are putting him at L-1 you better have a better case than something based on a few misunderstandings that were ironed out, as none of them are clear enough scumtells to lynch someone over. Honestly, I want everyone who has a vote on AndyTony to put out reasons as to why they feel he is the best lynch for today.

He's lied (one of which can not reasonbly be argued to be a misunderstanding or a difference of opinion) and attacked for silly made up reasons.

[Empking]

The above post was AtE.

Its also strongly against his town play in the same set up where he was very strongly for a quick lynch.

[Empking]

FL: I've posted more words than you, I've posted more posts than you and I've only missed one day. How am I the lurker?

The lies are (off the top of my head): AT saying our votes weren't random and more importantly him saying Clu had agreed with him when it was clear Clu hadn't.

[Empking]

AT: Stop being a hypocrite, please.

Vote: UnclePain

AndyTony is obviously confused town and UP is opportunistically pushing for his lynch. Anyone disagree?

Mod: prod maadneet?

I disagree.

What makes you think he's town?

[Empking]

Do people honestly believe him?

I'd rather we drop this before the real Cop (Or other role) reveals himself.

[Empking]

He's already dead Empking, it isn't as if we can remove our votes (that was the lynching vote, remember?)

Yes that doesn't mean we have to reveal who the real cop is to AT's scum buddy.

[Empking]

Empking

: Hmm, I understand your point, giving his own life to reveal the cop… but there are two strong points against it: firstly, it all depends on the timing of the self-vote in comparison to Spolium’s reaction to it (Dusk/Night). Secondly, there’s only a 50% chance that we have a cop at all. I consider it too risky to pull off such a trick. But I agree with you: just in case, let’s wait until Day 2. We lose nothing by doing so.

There's 100% chance that there's someone who's role makes AT's claim definately false. (Unless he really is the cop.)

[Empking]

Empking, but thats always the case for me. He was on Andy from the beginning and seemed to slip away from the debate as things turned ugly for Andy. Seems like he took advantage and let town tear Andy apart. I don't remember Empking making 'opportunistic' moves though which makes me doubt my own suspicion as such a move is more of a scumtell in my opinion.
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I'm I right in thinking that you think I'm scum because I scum hunted early but I didn't push it to heavily which would've gave scuim an excuse in the case that I was wrong?

I don't think AT has a point, his main argument was that people were suspicious of him and even he thought AT should be hammered.

[Empking]

I don't think we should mass claim.

Any dissenters?

[Empking]

Empking, why do you want a mass claim?

I don't.

[Empking]

I'm more curious about where the 'I don't think we should mass claim' thing came from to be honest. Was it just a random thought Empking?

I thought it might be useful to say.

[Empking]

Phily; Who's scum?

[Empking]

Yeah, at least one of those three seems right.

[Empking]

Clu, Fuzzy, UP

[Empking]

Fuzzy: If you're town, claim or die.

[Empking]

Vote: Fuzzy

If he's town, scum feel free to QL him.

[Empking]

Empking, he hasn’t posted since your demand for claim. Why are you so impatient and take the risk to lose the whole game?

There's always a risk. I don't think waiting for him to claim reduces that risk.

Or are

you

rather the scummy one?

I'm scummy for not wanting scum to win?

[Empking]

I gave my reasons right after this section of the post, so why are you speculating about them?

Hmm? I'm not entirely sure you're being honest of course. I dont assume anyones being honest at the moment, Day One really didnt help seperate scum from town and vice versa. I'm merely trying to be careful here, I think theres good reason towards being careful >_>

I know this is what I do when I'm scum but I'd like to wait, QL's just fuck up the game for the next day, especially when its a mislynch and to be fair thats quite likely seeing as how he could genuinely be having computer issues.

If we mislynch, there won't

be

a next day. That's careless Empking, if you

are

town.

Yes, realised this later today while re-reading ._. Even more reason why Empking's proposal to quicklynch is a bad idea. I'm willing to go a week into this till Im sure who one/two of the scum is/are.

FL is scum, are we agreed on that?
Lynching scum is good. Are we agreed on that?
We should lynch FL. Are we agreed on that?

[Empking]

I think I've worked out the problem.

I think FL will stay silent till town has two votes on him if we adopt that "Let him defend himself" attitude.

[Empking]

UP: Ask for a claim.

[Empking]

Prod on UP

[Empking]

Phily, if you're scum its time to put me out of my misery.

[Empking]

Good gamne scum.