Why? Because I feel like it.
Btw, mafia: Please don't kill me on the first night?
Around the middle-end of 2009 I played a few games on a rather inexperienced site. A bit after that I played a newbie game on this site as a... Roleblocker? It was a mafia role, I remember. I was about to lose, but I won because the time ran out.Ant_to_the_max wrote:bgg1996 what is your experience playing Mafia?
If I believe that there is somebody who has more of a reason to be lynched than the one who I am currently voting for, why shouldn't I change my vote?Llamarble wrote:"I didn't need much of a reason to change votes" = "I don't care who we lynch as long as it's not me or my buddies."
Surprise_Carcinogen wrote:I'm liking bgg for a lynch. Not only is claiming VT D1 unproductive for town, it also means that if we DON'T lynch him, mafia likely will, since if he's town, his death would give us nothing to go on. Either way, for the moment, his lynch is the only one that I can say with any certainty I think will provide useful information for town.
1. Inexperience? This would be my first mini-normal. Sorry, but it looks like it'll be my death this round.DeathRowKitty wrote:But one vote won't make scum crumble and fold.Neruz wrote:You clearly have Nath covered my man; no reason to tunnel on anyone is there :3
@Llamarble
I don't see why scum would think that everyone was vanilla. A role PM that says "Your buddies are xxxxx (roleblocker) and yyyyy (godfather) is generally a bit of a giveaway (when's the last time you saw a completely vanilla scum team in a 12+ player mini?). The one point I'll give you is his proof thing, though that depends on what he meant by "today" (I read it as the other meaning of today). As for setup ignorance...I see one way he might have gotten that idea, but I'd rather not make an ass out of you and me.
@bgg
1. Why did you think there were only vanilla roles in this game?
2. How do you plan on proving you're not scum?
Although I probably shouldn't say anything yet, as it appears to be the only thing convincing three other people to vote me, I would like to point out before I get killed tomorrow that I cannot definitively prove that I am not scum. I have no way of knowing that 'I will have' proof, but 'I should come up with' some then, if I can.Neruz wrote: There is actually one perfectly good reason to not lynch bgg right now and that is this post;
He has claimed that he will have proof that he is not scum after today. Therefore we should hold off lynching him today even if it is only to see what his proof is tomorrow. If he is unable to provide proof that he is not scum tomorrow then we will have a direct contradiction from him, which is a powerful scum tell.bgg1996 wrote:I should come up with proof I'm not scum after today.
Thus i shall vote Nathanael. I'm not quite sure he's the best lynch for today, but he's shaping up to be a pretty good one and is definitely better than bgg.
I meant this game in particular.Xine wrote:bgg1996,
hey there, I was almost convinced that you are indeed a VT (in which case, the "textbook" says to lynch you anyway), but I just couldn't get over these things you said, in this order a few posts apart, no matter which angle I take looking at this the story simply does not add up. discussbgg1996 wrote:Around the middle-end of 2009 I played a few games on a rather inexperienced site. A bit after that I played a newbie game on this site as a... Roleblocker? It was a mafia role, I remember. I was about to lose, but I won because the time ran out.Ant_to_the_max wrote:bgg1996 what is your experience playing Mafia?bgg1996 wrote:Does this mafia even have roles other than regular townies and mafia members?
At least for me, protecting my personal privacy would be more important than a mafia game. Especially in a forum where you cannot edit or delete posts.Ant_to_the_max wrote:@bgg
Right now the only useful think you can do right now is answer thisIf you can not produce any, you are not doing yourself any favors with that attitude.Hiraki wrote:EBWOP: I want a link to one of your offside games where you were a town role.
If bgg is our lynch for today and he does flip town, I am thinking Surprise_Carcinogen and Hiraki might be scum.
Eh?Neruz wrote:Um. What? I'm trying to lynch bgg for blatant anti-town behaviour.Xine wrote:Neruz is defiantly putting himself on the line to defend bgg. this indicates to me that they are not scum together. GreyIce is very defensive, almost jumpy? I reiterate my willingness to hammer, should the vote swing that way.
The instant he made this post:
He lost all newb-town credit he had. That is not a newb-town post, that is a newb-scum post.bgg1996 wrote:Have fun at my funeral.
I'll let you know now, though, I will be laughing in my grave after the guy that you lynched because he claimed to be VT...
...Turns out to be a VT.
Why would newb-scum be more likely to make that post than newb-town?Neruz wrote:He lost all newb-town credit he had. That is not a newb-town post, that is a newb-scum post.bgg1996 wrote:Have fun at my funeral.
I'll let you know now, though, I will be laughing in my grave after the guy that you lynched because he claimed to be VT...
...Turns out to be a VT.
I don't get it. Scum will try to act like townie.Hiraki wrote:Herp derp, scum acts like scum obv. And this too.Bgg wrote:The tactic I liked to use when playing scum was to pretend that I was a townie.
Well, kind of.Hiraki wrote:So are you telling me that townies are supposed to think you're scum based off of your play?Bgg wrote:They will never come up with an explanation in their heads of why this townie would've done this, because their minds automatically write me off as scum.
Eye spy a slip.
Are you going to answer my questions?bgg1996 wrote:Why would newb-scum be more likely to make that post than newb-town?Neruz wrote:He lost all newb-town credit he had. That is not a newb-town post, that is a newb-scum post.bgg1996 wrote:Have fun at my funeral.
I'll let you know now, though, I will be laughing in my grave after the guy that you lynched because he claimed to be VT...
...Turns out to be a VT.
Also Neruz, You say that I am contradicting myself by saying that I shouldcome up withinformation that I do not yet have.
Based on how you wrote your response on post 160, in your head it probably went more like:
I have proof that I am not scum, I'll show it to you tomorrow. (Remember guys, I'm a claimed Vanilla Townie.)
With it said that way, why would you tell everybody to "see what his proof is tomorrow. If he is unable to provide proof that he is not scum tomorrow then we will have a direct contradiction from him, which is a powerful scum tell." You went on to vote Nathanael.
With me claiming VT, what reason could you possibly have for believing that I had proof, regardless of what I actually said?
I asked two questions. This makes it seem like you did not read my post completely. Please read it again. Now have something to eat. You are clearly way too angry to post. If you are too angry, then your posts will not help town very much, and instead of conveying information that will help the town catch, and kill scum, you are making the town angry at you, which, if you are indeed town, make us lose another townie. Since the people who are reading this seem to be very dense, let me say that this is under the assumption that he is town BECAUSE this is what he would want to do if he was town. If he doesn't, he is not acting in the interest of the town.Neruz wrote:No, i don't. Hiraki has already pointed out how stupid you're being, if you like i can do the same; you're stupid, your 'question' is stupid. I have answered why i voted you and why i believe you to be scum already, in fact i'm fairly sure i've answered that stupid question twice now.bgg1996 wrote:In other words, yes I am stupid, but you still have to answer my stupid questions.
Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?Neruz wrote:Mafia typically hide behind stupid questions because they have to make up their scumhunting. Mafia cannot actually scumhunt because they are the scum, therefore they have tobgg1996 wrote:Also, if questions are stupid, that probably only means that the person asking them is stupid. Stupid people aren't any more likely to be mafia than smart ones, and while it may make it more likely that they are scum, it is not a good idea to suspect somebody based purely on how"f*cking retarded"they are being.createscumtells, which typically comes across as stupid and\or retarded questions, often re-hashing points that were already made and carefully laundering quotes so as to make their fabricated case look convincing.
Does that make me any more likely to be scum?Neruz wrote:I'm sick of your bullshit and i'm sick of [Redacted]'s bullshit. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're doing; to call you a newbie is an insult to newbies everywhere. Why you're playing this game and not learning how to play mafia properly in the newbie games i don't even know, but i suspect it may be because you are actually braindead and\or fucking with us. I don't know which and i don't care.
I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
It is not simply because you had an emotional breakdown, of sorts.Neruz wrote:GreyICE, you might want to make your bandwagoning slightly less blatant. I know my explosion makes me look like an easy lynch right now, but it's going to look real shitty for you when i flip town, because that vote right there is so opportunistic it hurts.
I would scream at you for that bullshit about thinking aggression on day 1 is a scumtell, but it's clear at this point you've already decided what i said for me, and i'm all screamed out, so i'll just make it short and sweet.
I do hope that you don't curse:Neruz wrote: Fuck you, scum.
I'm not retarded. I can detect sarcasm.Neruz wrote:bgg1996 wrote:If you are not going to answer my questionsNeruz wrote:[No.bgg1996 wrote:Are you even going to answer these questions?bgg1996 wrote:even read my postsNeruz wrote:I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.bgg1996 wrote:I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.ಠ_ಠ
bgg1996 wrote:even read my posts
I hope you're still being sarcastic.Neruz wrote:I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.bgg1996 wrote:I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
The most recent game I've played other than this one was at the end of 2009.DeathRowKitty wrote:This is where it would be nice to see a more recent game he played as scum, but he's refused to provide links from recent games, so I don't know.
@bgg
How would you describe your scum meta (beyond "try to look like I'm town")?
Neruz wrote:Yes, i know. Notice the part in that quote where i said i believed you to be tow-bgg1996 wrote:This is what she was referring to.Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
OH WAIT I DIDN'T.
Xine wrote:I don't know about that, Neruz has declared willingness to lynch someone he believes to be town to remove an annoying player. I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz? I've seen enough to have reached a decision
VOTE: Neruz
Neruz wrote:At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
Xine wrote:I don't know about that,Neruz has declared willingness to lynch someone he believes to be town to remove an annoying player.I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz? I've seen enough to have reached a decision
VOTE: Neruz
Neruz wrote:At this pointi would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.
I didn't fall for any implications. That would be saying that I believed that you believed that I was town.Neruz wrote:You might have a point, but Xine goes on to say this:
Which implies that i am currently going against that plan and voting someone i believe to be town just to remove an annoying player.Xine wrote:I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz?
Which i am not.
What you're seeing here bgg is calledimplication, it's an extremely common and powerful scum tool and if you are town then you appear to have fallen right for it.
Unfortunately, i blacked out again while trying to finish reading the rest of your post. I suspect similar reasons to the last time.
bgg1996 wrote:Why would newb-scum be more likely to make that post than newb-town?Neruz wrote:He lost all newb-town credit he had. That is not a newb-town post, that is a newb-scum post.bgg1996 wrote:Have fun at my funeral.
I'll let you know now, though, I will be laughing in my grave after the guy that you lynched because he claimed to be VT...
...Turns out to be a VT.
Also Neruz, You say that I am contradicting myself by saying that I shouldcome up withinformation that I do not yet have.
Based on how you wrote your response on post 160, in your head it probably went more like:
I have proof that I am not scum, I'll show it to you tomorrow. (Remember guys, I'm a claimed Vanilla Townie.)
With it said that way, why would you tell everybody to "see what his proof is tomorrow. If he is unable to provide proof that he is not scum tomorrow then we will have a direct contradiction from him, which is a powerful scum tell." You went on to vote Nathanael.
With me claiming VT, what reason could you possibly have for believing that I had proof, regardless of what I actually said?
bgg1996 wrote:Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?Neruz wrote:Mafia typically hide behind stupid questions because they have to make up their scumhunting. Mafia cannot actually scumhunt because they are the scum, therefore they have tobgg1996 wrote:Also, if questions are stupid, that probably only means that the person asking them is stupid. Stupid people aren't any more likely to be mafia than smart ones, and while it may make it more likely that they are scum, it is not a good idea to suspect somebody based purely on how"f*cking retarded"they are being.createscumtells, which typically comes across as stupid and\or retarded questions, often re-hashing points that were already made and carefully laundering quotes so as to make their fabricated case look convincing.
Did I ever launder a quote?
These are your questions, at least answer some of them. Some may be stupid, but if you refuse to answer them, as opposed to giving the obvious answer, it makes me think that you have an ulterior motive, i.e. you are scum.bgg1996 wrote:Does that make me any more likely to be scum?Neruz wrote:I'm sick of your bullshit and i'm sick of [Redacted]'s bullshit. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're doing; to call you a newbie is an insult to newbies everywhere. Why you're playing this game and not learning how to play mafia properly in the newbie games i don't even know, but i suspect it may be because you are actually braindead and\or fucking with us. I don't know which and i don't care.
Does that make it okay to lynch me?
Do you have any other significant reason other than an over-exaggerated poorly-quoted eleven-word sentence?
I did not percieve it as a threat. If you did, well then that's great, I don't care.Neruz wrote:Because threatening the town is anti-town.bgg1996 wrote:Why would newb-scum be more likely to make that post than newb-town?
That's what you get for trying to be nice in a game of mafia.Neruz wrote:None, i should have just voted you for blatantly lying, but i decided to be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt. I have regretted that decision ever since i made it.bgg1996 wrote:With me claiming VT, what reason could you possibly have for believing that I had proof, regardless of what I actually said?
Then your point about stupid questions being scumtells was basically just a load of crap?Neruz wrote:You've spent almost the entire game asking stupid questions, with the occasional not-so-stupid question thrown in through sheer luck. So you havn't had a chance to re-hash any points, because as far as i can tell you didn't make any until about half a dozen posts ago.bgg1996 wrote:Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?
Nope.bgg1996 wrote:Did I ever launder a quote?
So being retarded/braindead/fuckingwithyou is a big scumtell then?Neruz wrote:Yep.bgg1996 wrote:Does that make me any more likely to be scum?
Absolutely.bgg1996 wrote:Does that make it okay to lynch me?
At this point you sort of lose seriousness, or at least, the little seriousness you had.Neruz wrote:Obviously not.bgg1996 wrote:Do you have any other significant reason other than an over-exaggerated poorly-quoted eleven-word sentence?
Consider yourself humoured, enjoy it because i won't be doing it again.
Sorry,Neruz wrote:Why do i get the feeling that the bgg who posted this:
And the bgg who posted this:bgg1996 wrote:Also, if I'm not mistaken, this will be the first time I've actually played as a vanilla townie. (In my more inexperienced games, all of the roles had an ability)
Good luck using meta on me.
Are two entirely different people?bgg1996 wrote:That's what you get for trying to be nice in a game of mafia.
In mafia you have to think logically. You cannot merely trust people on a whim, excepting some subconscious feeling of general scumminess, you have to weigh the odds and decide rationally which is good and which is bad.
Do you have a disorder that makes you misunderstand people?
bgg1996 wrote:For the last time, there is a big difference between have hard evidence and come up with[/b] proof.*COUGH COUGH*
proof
–noun
1., or to produce belief in its truth.evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true
—Synonyms
1.confirmation, demonstration, corroboration, support.. 3. examination, assay. 18. firm, steadfast.See evidence
*COUGH*