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archaebob wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:RVS: Spadcause it sounds like spud.
Why are you labeling your vote as random? Nervous much?
vote: nintendoaddict1
Cause I used random.org and then typed up some lolwut reason.
Using a randomizer to pick your vote and then making sure everyone knows just how random it is defeats the purpose of a random vote, and makes you sound like nervous scum.
Wagon please.
No, I like to make it clear when I am using an RVS vote, because some people do not make it known, thus it makes it very confusing as to whether or not it is actually random, so unless I say RVS I am making a serious vote.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:archaebob wrote:unvote vote jilynne1991
Nintendo/hiplop, do you really think this post has scum motivation? If so, why?
Also, there's valid suspicion against jilynne1991. Nintendo's FoS may have just been a townie mistake; hiplop is definitely scum, but jilynne1991 is worth looking into.
Well even if he was just agreeing with what the others were saying, he could at least try to add to the discussion about jil, instead of simply voting.-
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DemonHybrid wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:DemonHybrid wrote:Pressure vote is pressurized.
Well not now, cause you just outed his pressure vote...
Doesn't change his motivation. Plus, it was a very obvious pressure vote.
But now that jil knows it's a pressure vote, the pressure is off.
Was it obvious? ... idk about that but it sure as hell is now.-
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ace5993 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:
Okay, I'll do that right away.
Vote: archaebob
Good boy.
archaebob is agreeing with my vote on him...
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Are you serious?
I like the jilynne wagon but can't post in bold from my phone, incoming vote in like two hours barring significant developments.
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hiplop wrote:i dont really have a meta tbh. I play differently depending on how im feeling. I think one thing that reigns supreme throughout all m games, is that i'm a terrible day one-r. Almost every game i attract some sort of attention on me day one. I am at least putting content forward, i apologize for the bad typing, im not feeling that great and not paying much attention.
Does anyone else notice how Demon is pretty much worshipping bob? no one finds that even a little suspicious? i think it warrants a wagon at least
Oh, I've noticed, but to whom do you think it is deserving a wagon of? bob, or Demon?-
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pappums rat wrote:hiplop wrote:unvote, vote demonhybrid[/vote]
calling someone definite scum o n the second page, over a RV. Plus blindly following bobby
Just to draw this matter to everyone's attention, Rule 6 states:
Rule 6: Please bold your votes or use tags, as unbolded votes will not count.
I have counted this vote since I saw it, but I cannot guarantee that this will always be the case. Please from now on everyone bold your vote or use tags.
Mod, can we get a prod on Octopus?-
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archaebob wrote:@ hiplop - It's counterproductive for me to explain what I'm doing right now. I recognize this is slightly hypocritical, and I don't expect you to trust me just yet. However, I do expect you to recognize that even if I'm scum, what I've done so far is pro-town, and that there are better things for you to do than fuck up my process right now. I'll explain before the day is over. Ok?
archaebob wrote:[@ jil -]
If it was joke, then why did you FoS instead of voting? You had no problem joke voting Barry Allen, Demon Hybrid, or Heliman. Is there some reason you gave hiplop the softer treatment?
Right now Jil needs to answer this, and tell me what she thinks of hiplop's play in general.
So let me get this straight, you want Jil to answer a question, but refuse to explain your 'process'? In the words of Hiraki...
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Scumhunter wrote:Giitah wrote:Ughh, god damn. You do realize that in doing so you're depraving all of us of information and you're not doing ANYTHING at all to help the town, right?
I promise to be one of the most active players in the game once things get interesting. I will do plenty to help us lynch right and will take all lynches seriously.
unvote
Fine. I'll be done with RVS. Next vote will be an actual suspicion or have a purpose at least. Once I start getting involved in the game I often times end up vote-hopping quite a bit. It's not a scumtell from me though.
It isn't a towntell either, SH.-
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archaebob wrote:why don't you get back on the jil wagon? She already ignored my first question to her, even forgetting the chain that everyone seems to hate so much.
archaebob wrote:Maybe you want to think about going back to jil?
Pushing a lynch one someone will not help the case against you, in fact, you are making things worse for yourself. If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.-
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nintendoaddict1 wrote:If you are so close to lynch you may want to consider a claim in the near future.
archaebob wrote:Especially with facepalms like nintendoaddict asking me to claim...
Show me where Iaskyou to claim, I was making a suggestion.
hiplop wrote:your logic just sucks
Unfortunately, you're town, VOTE: giitah
The only way you would know for sure who is Town on D1 is if you yourself are scum.-
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hiplop wrote:I wasn't speaking in absolutes, hes been acting town. Giitah, i mean other-game meta. Not personality meta.
Not speaking in absolutes? If you had said 'probably town' or something along those lines, THAT would be not speaking in absolutes. Instead, you said "You're town." That's about as absolute as it gets.-
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archaebob wrote:@ Nintendo -
You need to spend some more time in the newbie queue, my friend. The fact that it would even cross your mind for an instant that claiming right now would be a good idea is some major facepalm.
You were at L-2 and you're saying you find claiming to be a bad idea in that situation?-
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archaebob wrote:@ nintendoaddict -
It's not my job "to give you a good reason to remove it." The burden is on you to show everyone that your vote is helping town. What are you accomplishing with your vote right now?
Not your job? iirc you are still at L-2 and no one has unvoted, so obviously it is your job, and you're doing a poor job of it.-
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archaebob wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:without... any attempt to pressure or question me.
You're saying Pine is scum because he isnotpressuring or questioning you?
Yes. He doesn't seem to be very interested in catching scum, and I don't buy that he still suspects me for my Giitah vote. Do you?
nintendoaddict1 wrote:And why the sudden jump to Pine? Did you find an answer from jil that no one else knows about?
No, but Ace has done everything in his power to prevent jil from feeling remotely pressured by my vote or my case. I've been waiting for jil to answer me for several pages now, and I need to move on.
Tell me nintendo. You don't like my play because of...something. Fine. Are you at all bothered by the total lack of content in Pine's posts? If he was scum, how would you know?
Since he voted you, he hasn't even mentioned you, so what makes you so sure he still suspects you?
If you need to move on... then move on. Yes, I am bothered by his lack of content, he is usually more active. But in another completed game I played with Pine, (Mini 1156) he turned out to be scum, so his lack of activity here is a towntell for him.
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archaebob wrote:@ ace - It's not just about her reactions. Pay attention to what I've already said on this point. Let's debate theory later.
@ nintendo -
Vote for someone. If you aren't going to vote pine, fine, but you need to pick a target. Help us learn about a player in this thread by making them respond to something you are doing.
You're telling me to vote because you want me to? Shouldn't people vote when they feel it is necessary, for whatever purpose?-
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Heliman wrote:@Nintendoaddict1
Two things: first, your argument against Hiplop is odd, because even though he made the absolution that Giitah is town, you've totally ignored the OTHER absolution he made that said that Giitah is scum. You're mistaking a way of speaking with a scum tell and that's NOT COOL.
Sorry 'bout that, I did have a dense moment, yes.
You realize that you just admitted that hip made a huge contradiction?-
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Heliman wrote:@nintendoaddict1
Is this contradiction scummy? It's one thing to make a contradiction, and another thing to make a scummy one. IMO, Hiplop's contradiction isn't all that scummy, and even comes off as a simple change in opinions. Telling a scummy contradictions is usually a matter of weather or not it was made with either malicious intent or in pursuit of the player covering his own ass, weather or not it actually fits either category is up to you.nintendoaddict1 wrote:Heliman wrote:Um, duh?
Exactly. So are you for or against a hiplop lynch?
Yeah, I think it was a scummy contradiction. 5 hours is a pretty short time to change one's opinion.
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Barry Allen wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Scumhunter wrote:post incoming t-minus 1 hour?
You were gonna make a post last night... And you broke your promise (so far) to be an active player...
Vote: Scumhunter
At least so you will actually post this time...
I thought the post from nintendoaddict was a bit early....until that hour went by with STILL no promised post. I'm not voting yet...but it is time to keep your word scumhunter.
It hasn't been an hour yet, but I was voting to make sure he actually kept his word this time, and my vote stays if he doesn't... and maybe even if he does depending on the content.
P. Edit: I see now... I had a similar thing on hotmail one time.-
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Scumhunter wrote:Nintendo, please think about why you want to vote me. Is it solely because I have been lurking? Does that make me scum? Normally lurking is actually somewhat of a scumtell from me, but if you check my other games on here I have been similarly inactive the last few days. Ignoring my lurking up until this point...why would you want to vote me?
Like I said, the vote on you was to ensure you would actually post something. Seeing as you have, I'll UNVOTE: .
Oh, but wait, something stood out to me in that wall:
Scumhunter wrote:I suppose it's possible that he is a very good scum player trying to take charge from the beginning of the game... How anyone reads bob as scum is beyond me.
What's this? Saying bob could be scum, and in the same post, showing disbelief that anyone could see bob as scum?
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hiplop wrote:oh nintendo might be scum, hes definitely been rolefishing. The thing im scared of, is a lurker-scum-team in this game. Wich i think is entirely a possibility, thought bob seems to be able to realize this kind of stuff
Where was I rolefishing?
Scumhunter wrote:Anyways, what do you think of ace and Barry?
I'll get that up possibly later if not tomorrow afternoon or evening.-
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nintendoaddict1 wrote:Scumhunter wrote:Anyways, what do you think of ace and Barry?
I'll get that up possibly later if not tomorrow afternoon or evening.
Okay, besides the fact that ace suddenly changed his posting style, going from one line posts to walls, there is something I need an answer on.
@ace:
In your post #11 you said 'content later when I have time' after you voted Deux. Did you mean content on your vote? Or content in general?
And like I said, your shift in content I find a bit unnerving.
Now,
@Barry
Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.
I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.-
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nintendoaddict1 wrote:hiplop wrote:oh nintendo might be scum, hes definitely been rolefishing. The thing im scared of, is a lurker-scum-team in this game. Wich i think is entirely a possibility, thought bob seems to be able to realize this kind of stuff
Where was I rolefishing?
That's directed at you, hiplop.-
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hiplop wrote:Barry Allen wrote:hiplop wrote:Did you even read my post?
Yes, hiplop, I read all your posts. I find them not to be consistent in either content or posting style. The post I'm quoting from you is like a lot of your early posts, where you quote a longer post from someone else (in this case me) and make a very quick comment...making it look like you are contributing much more than you actually are. Your later posts swing back and forth in both content and style, depending on how much heat you are getting at the moment. Until I see something better from you I'll keep my vote where it is.
There is one other question that I did answer earlier...but that question seems to have come up again so I'd like to answer it again after quoting the most recent note on the subject:
nintendoaddict1 wrote:
Now,
@Barry
Post #4 you said you wanted to hear from jil because she was at L-2. I know this has been said before, but drawing attention to her absence seems almost opportunistic.
I don't think either of them are scum, though, but you can't be really sure on D1.
At the time of the post referenced above, Jil had actually been on thread multiple times without giving a defense, even though the votes were piling up. She had only been at L-2 for a few hours (hence my time zone reference), but this had been going on for much longer with her active posting...but no defense. That's what I was calling out...not her absence from the thread, but her absence of a defense.
get over it, you have no argument. I type walls when i have something to type about. When im just replying to a question, there is no need. If you look at my meta (since you guys seem to love it), i type like this in every game; Scum or Town. Which is why your logic sucks smurf.
As for bobs ask from us; My vote is on my most scummy, Barry has gone up a few points with his persistance with me. Yet demonhunter continues to try and pull a policy lynch on jilyanne. He was one of the ones leading the charge on her, and it wasted like 10 pages. Obvious scum-delay is obvious. Also, theres something just wrong with his posts, they come across very scummy, cant really explain it
just so the mod doesnt get confused;
UNVOTE:
VOTE: DemonHybrid
Again, hiplop, you fail to answer my question. I asked you in #347 and #356. You have posted twice since the first time, and have completely ignored the question. I want an answer in your next post.-
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I'mma have to break this down...
foilist13 wrote:Soooooooo after the last hour or so of reading a few people stand out to me.
Okay, if a few people stand out to you, why don't you post your analysis on them as well?
foilist13 wrote:1) Nintendoaddict1:
Struck me as odd in the very beginning. I wouldn't have taken an RVS accusation remotely seriously no matter how intent the accuser seemed to be with it. However, Nintendo64 took the time to calmly and rationally answer archaebob's questions. In general that seems pro-town, but he it much to serious about it. He is responding as though there was a threat, rather than responding to generate discussion. Scum tend to do that, not town.
I didn't take it seriously, cause I knew it was RVS. And wait, you're saying you would not have taken it seriously either? So how does that make you town, but make me scum?
foilist13 wrote:SuperNintendo wrote:No, I like to make it clear when I am using an RVS vote, because some people do not make it known, thus it makes it very confusing as to whether or not it is actually random, so unless I say RVS I am making a serious vote.
Now it's painfully fucking obvious that it was an RVS vote without him saying anything. This is clearly redundant and the result of nervous energy.
Actually, it was a response to someone asking why I labeled it RVS. Should I ignore questions asked of me?
foilist13 wrote:NintendoWii wrote:Aren't all votes early in the game RVS anyway? Labeling a few of them does not make every other vote a serious one.
Yes, yes they are. Labeling them is strange especially if you already accept the idea that all early votes will be RVS votes. I believe I saw earlier archaebob explain the idea that scum will explain how their play is townie without being prompted. This labeling of your RVS vote is an example of that. "Don't vote me, I'm just random voting."
Exactly. I know all votes are RVS at first. Why is saying 'RVS' in front of my vote strange? Oh, and nice buddying on bob, there. Where did I say anythingremotelylike that paraphrase?
foilist13 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:My vote is dead serious.
Instead of speculating about what I'm doing, why don't you do something productive.
Okay, I'll do that right away.
Vote: archaebob
This is cute.
Fluff.
foilist13 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:
Okay, I'll do that right away.
Vote: archaebob
Good boy.
archaebob is agreeing with my vote on him...
inb4jester
This has departed from cute and is now stupid.
I literally have no response to this.
foilist13 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:hiplop wrote:i dont really have a meta tbh. I play differently depending on how im feeling. I think one thing that reigns supreme throughout all m games, is that i'm a terrible day one-r. Almost every game i attract some sort of attention on me day one. I am at least putting content forward, i apologize for the bad typing, im not feeling that great and not paying much attention.
Does anyone else notice how Demon is pretty much worshipping bob? no one finds that even a little suspicious? i think it warrants a wagon at least
Oh, I've noticed, but to whom do you think it is deserving a wagon of? bob, or Demon?
This is a little more interesting. I don't usually go after people for buddying, but that is very much what it looks like here. He saw someone else who agrees with his pseudo suspicion of archaebob and jumped on it. He has made no previous mention of suspecting DemonHybrid, but now he's on to him! Can't you see him smiling while he writes that?
Oh, and the burden of proof for your vote is on you. You should be justifying it, not waiting for it to be unjustified. Be an active player.
Just because I may not have mentioned DH, does not mean I never found him suspicious.
foilist13 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:archaebob wrote:@ nintendo -
I'm not sure he suspects me at all. That's the whole point.
And you didn't answer my question from before. What are you accomplishing with your vote?
Right now, it's not doing much of anything, it seems.
UNVOTE:
Your vote isn't accomplishing anything so you just get rid of it? You don't vote somewhere else maybe? You do, but not until a few posts later. That means you weren't reading anybody except archaebob at that point. If you had been, you would have been able to switch your vote more efficiently to another significant read rather than going back to find out who else has been suspicious. This is VERY indicative of scum play. You watch one player and argue with/vote them to appear to be active. Interesting.
Yeah, I am usually multi-tasking on the computer and not always able to do one thing exclusively. But for this post, I make an exception.
foilist13 wrote:nintendoaddict1 wrote:Scumhunter wrote:Nintendo, please think about why you want to vote me. Is it solely because I have been lurking? Does that make me scum? Normally lurking is actually somewhat of a scumtell from me, but if you check my other games on here I have been similarly inactive the last few days. Ignoring my lurking up until this point...why would you want to vote me?
Like I said, the vote on you was to ensure you would actually post something. Seeing as you have, I'll UNVOTE: .
Oh, but wait, something stood out to me in that wall:
Scumhunter wrote:I suppose it's possible that he is a very good scum player trying to take charge from the beginning of the game... How anyone reads bob as scum is beyond me.
What's this? Saying bob could be scum, and in the same post, showing disbelief that anyone could see bob as scum?
What is this I don't even...
wtf? ................
I don't know what it is that you don't get. Be more specific.
foilist13 wrote:IF YOU HAVE SKIPPED EVERYTHING UP TO THIS POINT, PLEASE READ THIS NEXT PART.
foilist13 wrote:Nintedoaddict1" wrote:If you need to move on... then move on. Yes, I am bothered by his lack of content, he is usually more active. But in another completed game I played with Pine, (Mini 1156) he turned out to be scum, so his lack of activity here is a towntell for him.
As for me not liking your play, I'll have to get into that later as I am going out the door.
I saved this for last, because it is BY FAR the most interesting tid bit in Nintendo's play.
Most importantly, you make a meta argument. This meta argument is based on exactly one game. Pine posted lots as scum, and little now. Therefore he is playing differently than he did as scum, and therefore he is most likely town.
That's exactly what I am trying to say. So what if it was only from one game? It is adrasticchange in his style.
foilist13 wrote:archaebob (who you are still voting at this point in the thread) posted a town meta game a long fucking time ago in which he plays almostexactlyas he is playing now. Clearly you accept the value of meta, yet you ignore archaebob's cited meta for your own purposes. That my friend is fabricated reasoning, and that is scum play.
Honestly I haven't found the time, I've been rather busy with a few things.
foilist13 wrote:vote: Nintendoaddict1
The other people who seem scummy to me are hiplop (gut read mostly, haven't read him in iso yet), Pine, and Maaayyyyybeeee ace.
Archaebob, heliman, and to a lesser extent Barry Allen are town.
Any reasons on why you think those others are scummy? Or do I get special treatment for some reason?-
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foilist13 wrote:Nintendo wrote:
Any reason I come first?
Any reason you chose to respond only to the single most inconsequential part of that entire post?
Because in your post you only quoted back one layer, thus just showing my comments without the previous quotes. To properly respond I will need to go back and read my post and then check yours to see the subject your talking on for that part. I don't have the time for that right now.-
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foilist13 wrote:Nintendo wrote:Really? You can't keep up with multiple reads and cases at once? Or are you just tunneling me now?
You've got nothing better to say? Come on man, get with it. You're getting shitted on and trying to wait for it to go away.
Way to dodge the questions, foil. At this time, no. I don't at all believe it will go away simply because I ignore it.-
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foilist13 wrote:Nintendo wrote:Okay, if a few people stand out to you, why don't you post your analysis on them as well?
My post was already a bleeding wall mate. I didn't have the patience to make it any bigger, and I would be just about guaranteeing that nobody would read it. I'll get to everyone else when I'm done with you.
Nintendo wrote:I didn't take it seriously, cause I knew it was RVS. And wait, you're saying you would not have taken it seriously either? So how does that make you town, but make me scum?
You put some amount of thought into how best to respond to diffuse the issue. That is taking it seriously.
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Actually, it was a response to someone asking why I labeled it RVS. Should I ignore questions asked of me?
I'm intentionally taking this out of context. I simply wanted to expose your view. When, where, and why you said that are not relevant.
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Exactly. I know all votes are RVS at first. Why is saying 'RVS' in front of my vote strange? Oh, and nice buddying on bob, there. Where did I say anything remotely like that paraphrase?
You're trying to deflect this onto me buddying archaebob. Stop that. It's unbecoming.
It's strange in that it serves a purpose that only one alignment could reasonably be interested it. Is it the end of the world? No. Does it make you automatically scum? No, but it sure helps towards that.
If it makes you feel better, I don't plan to lynch you on the basis of you labeling your RVS vote.
I'm not going to do quote walls because they make me angry, but the "cute" and "stupid" bits should be self explanatory. I'm fairly confident everyone else will pick up on my meaning.
Nintendo wrote:Just because I may not have mentioned DH, does not mean I never found him suspicious.
So?
Nintendo wrote:Yeah, I am usually multi-tasking on the computer and not always able to do one thing exclusively. But for this post, I make an exception.
I fail to see how this is an adequate response to my post.
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I don't know what it is that you don't get. Be more specific.
*sigh* Why would you unvote him right when you found something suspicious? By structuring your post that way you're guaranteeing that he won't take your new concern seriously since he is under no pressure at all to answer it. That means you're less concerned with his reaction, which in turn means you're more concerned with how your post will cause you to be perceived.
Nintendo wrote:That's exactly what I am trying to say. So what if it was only from one game? It is a drastic change in his style.
Good, so we've further established your faith in meta.
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Honestly I haven't found the time, I've been rather busy with a few things.
Bullshit. Archaebob said exactly why he linked that game and what it would say. You knew without even having to read it
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Any reasons on why you think those others are scummy? Or do I get special treatment for some reason?
Like I said earlier, I'll get to them when I'm done with you.
1. Okay, fair enough.
2. Spin in that way if you like.
3. If you are intentionally taking it out of context, why did you even bring it up in your argument/case against me?
4. You dodged my second question there, foil. It's unbecoming of you.
5. So what?
6. My point was that I didn't have time to think of who I would rather vote, because I have a life outside of MS.
7. Because I only voted him to pressure him into posting content like he said he would, but failed to before.
8. Okay.
9. Whoop-dee-shit. Of course he will link a game where he was town if he wants to look town. Not saying he is scum, but that post where he linked an old game does not magically make him town.
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foilist13 wrote:So for Pine meta is gold. I asked him that question several times and never got a different answer. For archaebob though, meta is unreliable. That is an inconsistency, and why I am voting you.
I never said for sure Pine was town, and the only reason I am using meta on Pine is because I was actually in the game with him, but I have never been in a game with bob before, so how am I supposed to know whether or not he is just playing those of us who are newer on the site?-
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Scumhunter wrote:Honestly, I think you should out your partner DH. If you get night killed, that person is then clear at least. Plus, hard claiming a partner makes it more difficult on you in the cases that you are scum.
Isn't the whole point of being a Mason to clear each other? If he outs whoever is the other half, they could just as easily both be scum. Although, that could happen even if the other half claims.-
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Valern wrote:
This is a lie.
I present to the jury three town games and a scum game, none of which feature Nintendoaddict feeling the need to preface his vote with an "RVS:" If it's scummy that he felt the need to do so, it's evenmorescummy that he felt the need to lie about why he was doing it.
You said it yourself, one of those games I was scum, so why is it incriminating that I started doing it? How do you know I just didn't do it before, and only started recently doing it? Where I started playing mafia, theyalwayslabel RVS votes so I probably just got used to automatically labeling them so.-
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Giitah wrote:Pine, just because he seems to like jumping whenever anyone points so much as a finger in his direction, regardless of the fact that he's on V/LA.
Even though he is V/LA he cannot quote posts, thus he cannot make a defense. Why you want to kill him now, especially after he posted basically saying that, is beyond me.-
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