Mini 1190: Game over

monk · Post Post #903 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:15 pm

Ok first of all reasons I replaced in to this appears to be doomed slot: First of all I read through the thread and got a slight town read on CC so I thought I'd come and give you guys help finding scum, second of all I was bored and wanted a challenge and thirdly it's an Aussie slot so I think it should stay that way

UNVOTE: I can't remember if its on anyone, I also disagree with some of his reads so just to be safe.
Wall post to come soon

monk · Post Post #905 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:35 am

Ok I know this is his post but I'll start with this why not

Captain Corporal wrote:Since Krew flipped scum, I've been expecting votes on me.

Quick post giving my reads:

Town

Xvart - Seems to be genuinely scumhunting.
WRONG!

PBuG - Also, good scumhunting. Getting good vibes from you.
weaker read here

Empking - Weak town read. Just gut for now.
I have a strong read here

Null

Thomith - I actually need to ISO you, which I haven't done before. Until then you remain null.
was scummy up to the mason claim

Sunday - More posting would be nice.
Vigy vig is likely town see the bitchfight with Emp and noone has called him out on his supposed kill

Hoppster - Again, I would like to ISO you. Null for the moment.
No point in doing this he's towny town

TheFool - Once more, need to ISO.
WRONG! Scummy scummy scummy

Panzerjager - I'm a little concerned about you, but that probably just because you were voting me.
Town, even before he claimed because of his incompetent mason buddy

Scum

Sundy - You seem to be coasting along nicely without making yourself too obvious. I'll ISO you as well, and put up a better read on you.
WRONG!! I had originally pegged this as a scumslot too but see the partial ISO

so reordered:

Town

Thomith
Panzer
Empking
Heliman
Hoppster
Sundy

Null

PBuG

Scumersons

Xvart
TheFool

Obviously three more scum is a bit OP Sundy is porbably my weakest of those reads, ISO time: (Oh just so you know I ISO as if they're scum to see how it feels)

Spoiler: Sundy ISO

Conclusion Sundy is townish, noncommital and annoying but town

Will do another reread tomorrow morning taking notes and stuff

PEDIT: Yes Sundy, my read was justified, also what happened to:

Sundy wrote:Since Elfen is getting replaced, it makes sense to hear from his replacement first before sealing his fate, yes?

Don't I get the same? Please? You're as towny as can beeeeeeeeeeeee!

monk · Post Post #913 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:54 am

PBuG wrote:If three more scum is a bit OP and you have a null read on me and scum reads on xvart and TheFool, why did you ISO Sundy instead of one of us three?

I had originally decided that I'd run with CC's read on sundy as I hadn't developed one of my own so I ISO'd sundy and found they were towny, I'll be back in about 4 hours and will have ISOs on PBuG, xvart and TheFool.

monk · Post Post #914 (isolation #3) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:05 pm

also I'm pretty sure I'm at L-1

Claim: Vanilla Townie

I would like time to put up my ISOs on those three and more commentary on the game before I'm lynched please

Empking wrote:monk is Towny McTownperson. I say we turn this wagon around and lynch Xvart.

Let's run with this for the moment:
VOTE: xvart

monk · Post Post #916 (isolation #4) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:22 pm

UNVOTE: xvart

reasoning to come momentarily

monk · Post Post #918 (isolation #5) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:58 pm

You get a buy three get one free deal here!

Spoiler: PBuG

Conclusion towny
@PBuG you said you picked xvart for scum because of links with SK what are they?

Spoiler: TheFool

blegh IIoA and pretty much nothing else there needs to be a wagon here NOW!!!
VOTE: TheFool

Spoiler: xvart

In the end I think he's closer to being town though he's fine enough staying in null so let's ISO his original pick for scum: Hoppster

monk · Post Post #919 (isolation #6) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:58 pm

EBWOP: Hoppster ISO next post

monk · Post Post #920 (isolation #7) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:29 pm

Hoppster ISO

Jump on a wagon, I like it even if it's on my own slot
good reasoned post and pointing out the scumminess of SK
fluff
Toro being stupid
questions and general scumhuntery
blegh SK
hmm this post was missed by xvart for someone who was so on Hoppster for dropping the toro wagon
fluffy
doubt of toro read fluff
toro isn't reasoning out
start of the xvart bitchfest, I don't see it the reasoning xvart puts up is shaky and null

xvart goes back to scummy read, in ISO he's not scummy but when you actually go find the stuff he's pulling up it's non-existent/quotefarmed beyond recognition.

xvart however doesn't seem to have any major links to SK pending on PBuG and I guess panzer showing me these, I'm not too sold on it, though I still need another scum read. I'll have another read through the thread.

monk · Post Post #921 (isolation #8) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:30 pm

EBWOP: xvart also doesn't appear to have any links to TheFool/jakesh

monk · Post Post #924 (isolation #9) » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:44 pm

ah I had originally just skimmed that post, my bad

what do you think of TheFool in relation to SK/xvart?

monk · Post Post #930 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:21 am

My case on TheFool is more towards him not actually doing any actual scumhunting and instead providing us with information, I'm happy with either xvart or theFool, I'd like to hear a bit more input from everyone else before I switch my vote over though

monk · Post Post #933 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:37 pm

Rawr I hate this post, disection:

xvart wrote:Free internet connection at the New Orleans Airport! Had a few too many drinks but I accept all responsibility for my actions thereof.

PBuG, 892 wrote:If Thomith doesn't confirm the masonry Panzer just shot up my scumdar for saying xvart/Fool are scumbuddies and voting CC.

Scum city.
IF
Thomith doesn't confirm the masonry Panzer just shot up his scumar for
something else
? This is absurd! Regardless of the qualifier or whatever else, if Thomith doesn't declare scum with the masonry then Panzer is scum regardless of anything else that is going on! PBug seems to be making obscure association and relationship tells to shift blame around.

If Panzer isn't scum then PBurg most certainly is.

Another jump onto someone you haven't mentioned before?

xvart wrote:
Thomith, 895 wrote:
PBuG wrote:
Thomith wrote:confirming masonry. although i didnt want to out really. UNVOTE:

Your fault for suspecting your mason buddy. Well, either way, this clears Panzer so if his wagon could kindly unvote, we need to lynch CC and then most likely xvart.

my reasoning behind it was
if he did die mafia
couldn't easily call me out as mason buddy.

This is exactly why I am more inclined to believe that this whole mason stuff is complete and utter bullshit. Thomith is now concocting a story about how he didn't want the obvious connection to his mason buddy who flips
maifa
???? The whole point of masonry is that they are confirmed town to each other!

reading comprehension get some. Basically thomith was worried about being shot by the mafia if Panzer flips town, if I had to I'd rather lynch Thomith to confirm because of the shocking play.

xvart wrote:
Sundy wrote:Monk is being rather charming. I like his read on the game. Want to read a more complete one. And he is right that I am indecisive. It is a flaw I like to pretend is strategic.

WTF? He is being charming? He has posted about five sentences, of which he could have easily pulled from a scum QT. He has given no real opinions of any of the major events of the game or why his reads are what they are.

Is this based on the timing of this post because I've shown the reasoning for my cases on you, PBuG, Hoppster and TheFool

xvart wrote:
Hoppster, 912 wrote:(A) If you thought SleepyKrew was being serious about his claim, why did you not vote him? His role (ie. the Mason Recruiter bit) is blatantly impossible if you were a mason, so he is essentially CC'ing you. But you voted for the Miller claim that wasn't CC'ing you [Empking] over the one that was [SleepyKrew]? Why?

(B) Umm, this should be self-explanatory. You said you didn't think there were any masons, but you and Thomith
are
Masons apparently.

This. A thousand times, this. This totally contradicts his vote on Empking over SleepyKrew. If he knew he was a mason and someone outside his mason group claimed mason and
he thought it was a serious claim
he should have immediately voted the person
who claimed to be a mason
over the person who only claimed to be a milller.

Panzerjager, 915 wrote:Id be willing to bet their aren't two millers(emp,sleepy) or two masons(me and thomith, sleepy and whomever). Is what the sentence meant. It was deliberatly vague cause I didn't wanna claim early.

Also I just liked the empking lynch more.

WTF. Someone counterclaimed your role (mason) and you thought it was a serious claim (as you said many many times) and you voted someone else?!??!?!? This is a town reaction how?

I seriously don't know what panzer was doing, but you have more scum points

xvart wrote:
Heliman, 928 wrote:Well damn, Panzar is a mason? That changes things somewhat, it also means I'm gonna have to reread again. Dammit.

Not necessarily. Let me remind you of your situation replacing into a game about 34 pages long...

Why is it in any way bad for him to go back and read through the thread?

xvart wrote:
Panzerjager, 929 wrote:Also You can't speculate Fools Relation to Xvart unless he flips, which was Xvart's fatal Flaw. His whole case on me is based on Hoppster being scum and then some very convincing picking and choosing of what to cut/paste. Right now it seems most people case on Fool is that Xvart is scum, which can't be done.

LOL! Says the guy who was projecting scum based on town flips
and
says the person who never argued on why projecting scum based on town flips being more townie than someone suggesting scum based on scum flips.\

Seriously, read Panzer's claim and the way his "mason partner" responds. It totally looks like Thomith didn't know that this was coming and scumPanzer claimed to save himself. And the whole fact that it appears they forgot that typical mason roles can communicate outside of thread and then when asked about it Panzer said "oooohhh we didn't ever use our obvious townie action of night talking especially considering all the juicy stuff in thread to talk about." Perhaps it is because they were actually talking about everything already in their scum QT?

It looks more to me like thomith is a bit of a VI which if you look at his ISO is pretty reasonable.

VOTE: xvart
Horrible post was horrible

monk · Post Post #937 (isolation #12) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:30 am

freaking hell guys! 20 hours to deadline and I have seen hide nor tail of:
Sundy,
PBuG,
Hoppster

since my ISOs which they were wanting If you guys still want to vote for me then please checkin and say so!
Otherwise put forward a case for either of the two wagons {xvart, theFool} and jump on I would rather see a lynch than not today, but since time is currently on town's hands then a no lynch is just as good I'd just rather see you guys in here before time runs out
countdown: http://timeanddate.com/counters/customc ... &sec=&p0=0

monk · Post Post #939 (isolation #13) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:23 am

Whoah hoppster rolefishing much? We're both at L-3 why claim?

monk · Post Post #941 (isolation #14) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:35 am

Just so everyone knows xvart is at L-2

monk · Post Post #954 (isolation #15) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:51 pm

Sundy wrote:
unvote, vote: The Fool

PJ & Thomith are very tempting, but if one is bad, they both are.

Blegh!

What do you think of the xvart wagon?

monk · Post Post #956 (isolation #16) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:43 pm

Heliman wrote:Ok, done with the reread. The claim seems okay, but there's one thing that's setting me off:

Thomith wrote:

Out of curiousity, PanzThom, do you have daytalk capabilities?

Yes we have daytalk.
Pardon if this is just me speaking from inexperience with normal games, but I didn't know that Masons could have a Daytalk in Normal mafia. The wiki for the mason role states that masons communicate at night, and day-rolepowers aren't listed as accepted normal role modifiers.

It's not in the explicitly non-normal modifier list either, I think it's a fine thing considering other games

monk · Post Post #957 (isolation #17) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 2:48 pm

EBWOP: I can understand the argument if it was a daycop we were questioning, but not really daytalkin' masons

by the by something that is rubbing me up the wrong way is I haven't really heard any talk of an investigator, no I don't want them to out themselves its just emp's claim is a bit weird considering, obviously there are a few reasons this might be:
1) we haven't suspected anyone long enough for them to want to out themselves
2) they haven't found anyone guilty and are investigating the wrong people anyway
3) emp's claim is bogus

monk · Post Post #959 (isolation #18) » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:17 pm

Panzerjager wrote:Good cops don't let people know they are cops. Good towns don't talk about cops until they need to.

Point taken I'll shut up now

monk · Post Post #966 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:08 am

The problem with the mason claim being false is it puts scums eggs into one basket, ie we can lynch both of them before we even get close to lylo

monk · Post Post #969 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:34 am

That's pretty much it except you're bloody scummy so we're taking you down first if scum are smart they could leave the masons alive I mean take 1175 for an example, just finished up and the masons stayed alive also as I said id rather lynch thomith if we had no other leads

monk · Post Post #976 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:36 pm

DISCLAIMER: I'm pissed off at games at another site and this game isn't going anywhere atm.

Sundy wrote:
unvote, vote: The Fool

PJ & Thomith are very tempting, but if one is bad, they both are.

Make sense androgynous personage!! We are not going to lynch Masons!! Case on TheFool that doesn't boil down to he's linked to xvart or sleepykrew!! This post screams scummy!!

xvart top scum other than the masons with a friggin case go!!

TheFool you're starting to look town but your posts are still IIoA what are your thoughts on anything at all!!

monk · Post Post #990 (isolation #22) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:48 pm

xvart wrote:
monk, 976 wrote:xvart top scum other than the masons with a friggin case go!!

Well, changing my alternative reads a little bit, I would say you are scum if Panzer and Thomith are not. Despite what others have said about how townie your entrance to the game was your behavior has been anything but protown. I think it's funny that you are asking me for a "friggin case" when you have given anything but an actual case on anyone, but that is neither here nor there.

Monk hasn't put together a single coherent case on anyone despite his best efforts to appear that way. His read on me has flipped several times with insufficient information justifying the reads:

monk, 905 wrote:
Scumersons

Xvart
monk, 914 wrote:
Empking wrote:monk is Towny McTownperson. I say we turn this wagon around and lynch Xvart.

Let's run with this for the moment:
VOTE: xvart
monk, 916 (4 hours and 1 post later) wrote:UNVOTE: xvart

reasoning to come momentarily
monk, 918 wrote:In the end I think he's closer to being town though he's fine enough staying in null so let's ISO his original pick for scum: Hoppster
monk, 920 wrote:xvart goes back to scummy read, in ISO he's not scummy but when you actually go find the stuff he's pulling up it's non-existent/quotefarmed beyond recognition.

xvart however doesn't seem to have any major links to SK pending on PBuG and I guess panzer showing me these, I'm not too sold on it, though I still need another scum read. I'll have another read through the thread.
monk, 933 wrote:VOTE: xvart
Horrible post was horrible
monk, 969 wrote:That's pretty much it except you're bloody scummy so we're taking you down first if scum are smart they could leave the masons alive I mean take 1175 for an example, just finished up and the masons stayed alive also as I said id rather lynch thomith if we had no other leads

Monk says I'm scum right out of the gate. Then he ISOs me and I'm town. Then he ISOs hoppster and realizes that I'm scum again. The biggest issue with coming back around to thinking I'm scum is that he does it based off of someone else's ISO. If he really believed that opinion he would have thought my actions were scummy independent of that, since I repeatedly quoted and referenced Hoppsters posts that apparently now condemn me. Furthermore, by this time he had already read the thread in entirety what appears to be three times so my level of scumminess should have been apparent through any one of those rereads in the context of the entire game. Plus, your predecessors behavior (which you seem to agree upon).

Can you articulate your case on me? Why do you think I am "bloody scummy"? I have yet to see a coherent post (from anyone) explaining how my behaviors are more likely to come from scum.

Here is my original case on you:

monk wrote:in ISO he's not scummy but when you actually go find the stuff he's pulling up it's non-existent/quotefarmed beyond recognition.

Case on you: horrendous amounts of misrepresentation, huge song and dance about you being picked on because you're verbose, suggesting we should lynch the masons, which flies in the face of all reason. I have stated this and you haven't seemed to comment on it, more misrep of someone who is actively participating with you. So let me put this out clearly:

What on earth is the TOWN reason for blatant misrepresentation of someone and distraction tactics of going, oh look over there "have a post wall where I've chopped and changed the friggin case on me beyond recognition"

Please oh please, is there someone out there with intent to hammer, so we can get a friggin claim?

monk · Post Post #995 (isolation #23) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:13 pm

What can't you understand that when I look at your arguments for a hoppster lynch and look at where you say he's being scummy and what you are pulling him up on it's just not there or deliberately misrepresented in order to get you some form of town standing.

monk · Post Post #998 (isolation #24) » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:28 pm

xvart wrote:
monk wrote:What can't you understand that when I look at your arguments for a hoppster lynch and look at where you say he's being scummy and what you are pulling him up on it's just not there or deliberately misrepresented in order to get you some form of town standing.

You are missing the relevant direct question: was this the reason you voted for me in your first post? If not, why did you vote for me in the first place? The basis (and seemingly sole reason) for voting me is my attacks on Hoppster, which you only disclosed after you unvoted me and said I was leaning town/null. Did you miss the entire argument and my alleged misrepping on your first read through?

First vote based on gut from a quick read of the thread. Then I read you in ISO and because the misrepping cannot be obvious from just one ISO. On reading Hoppster's ISO I saw this and so was switching back and forth reading the argument.

You still haven't answered my question as to the town motivation behind misrepresentation of players and their cases on you.

monk · Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:32 pm

while I don't agree with your motivation to misrep, you do agree that you have been, town enough for the moment
UNVOTE:

VOTE: TheFool

monk · Post Post #1015 (isolation #26) » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:10 pm

Panzerjager wrote:ITT xvart is a pompous ass. You realize that I claimed because of Thomith and not you right? You realize that you had pretty much nobody convinced I was scum right? You realize just about everyone in this game thinks you're a bad player and a detriment right, and fully realizes that you have been twisting everyone's words who have called you out for being horrible right? Players like you are why I quit mafia. Pull another name out of a hat for fucksake and tunnel on them.

Also this ^

monk · Post Post #1025 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:36 pm

VOTE: xvart

Stop saying words and die scum, even if you're town you are being incredibly antitown and need to be removed from the game

monk · Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:01 pm

Hoppster wrote:
monk wrote:VOTE: xvart

Stop saying words and die scum, even if you're town you are being incredibly antitown and need to be removed from the game

Granted I'm not
really
reading xvart's posts (I'm skimming though), but how is what he is doing any more anti-town than what I'm doing (trying to lynch people for, well, for reasons I don't quite understand myself)?

You're both being as equally antiown atm, however he's been doing it longer and, on average you're been doing more protown stuff, either way he's messing with my scumdar

monk · Post Post #1034 (isolation #29) » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Because with each post you push the right town buttons for me to become less suspicious. I also don't think it's right for another claim today and he's being antitown enough to throw off myself and Hoppster and possibly Panzer (a townie, one of my strong town reads and a Mason)

monk · Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:42 pm

xvart wrote:If they lynch me I'll replace back in!

Hate you hate you hate you hate you

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheFool

monk · Post Post #1052 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:32 pm

fine whatever
UNVOTE:
I've had enough of this day can there be some form of something happen?
It is incredibly silly, I have changed my vote I don't know how many times.
TheFool, the reason I changed is because of his willingness to replace into another slot this poses two logical situations:
Either he is town and has no real idea what PBuG's alignment is, or
He is scum with PBuG, which basically outs his partner

monk · Post Post #1066 (isolation #32) » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:37 pm

VOTE: xvart

two wagons one on them one on me, voting for myself isn't a good idea so...

monk · Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:25 pm

Non-Town Masons aren't allowed in Normal
VOTE: Panzerjager

monk · Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:59 pm

And that's a lynch
well that took all of one hour