Mini 1190: Game over

[PJ.]

We have been ignoring the QT to be honest, We post like hi blah blah stuff, I posted one thing about Empking miller and that was it.

[Thomith]

We have been ignoring the QT to be honest

[Twistedspoon]

Monk replaces captain corporal

now I ask

no

more

...
replacements :p

[monk]

Ok first of all reasons I replaced in to this appears to be doomed slot: First of all I read through the thread and got a slight town read on CC so I thought I'd come and give you guys help finding scum, second of all I was bored and wanted a challenge and thirdly it's an Aussie slot so I think it should stay that way
UNVOTE: I can't remember if its on anyone, I also disagree with some of his reads so just to be safe.
Wall post to come soon

[Sundy]

Ok first of all reasons I replaced in to this appears to be

doomed slot

First of all I read through the thread and got a

slight town read

on CC

Was your town read justified when you read your role PM?? I look forward to your reads...

As you might have figured out I'm pushing your lynch. Partly because my list of scum reads took a big hit with Panzer/Thomith.

[monk]

Ok I know this is his post but I'll start with this why not

Since Krew flipped scum, I've been expecting votes on me.

Quick post giving my reads:

Town

Xvart - Seems to be genuinely scumhunting.

WRONG!

PBuG - Also, good scumhunting. Getting good vibes from you.

weaker read here

Empking - Weak town read. Just gut for now.

I have a strong read here

Null

Thomith - I actually need to ISO you, which I haven't done before. Until then you remain null.

was scummy up to the mason claim

Sunday - More posting would be nice.

Vigy vig is likely town see the bitchfight with Emp and noone has called him out on his supposed kill

Hoppster - Again, I would like to ISO you. Null for the moment.

No point in doing this he's towny town

TheFool - Once more, need to ISO.

WRONG! Scummy scummy scummy

Panzerjager - I'm a little concerned about you, but that probably just because you were voting me.

Town, even before he claimed because of his incompetent mason buddy

Scum

Sundy - You seem to be coasting along nicely without making yourself too obvious. I'll ISO you as well, and put up a better read on you.

WRONG!! I had originally pegged this as a scumslot too but see the partial ISO

so reordered:

Town

• Thomith
• Panzer
• Empking
• Heliman
• Hoppster
• Sundy

Null

• PBuG

Scumersons

• Xvart
• TheFool

Obviously three more scum is a bit OP Sundy is porbably my weakest of those reads, ISO time: (Oh just so you know I ISO as if they're scum to see how it feels)

Spoiler: Sundy ISO

• Hi I'm alive
• SK you bussing me? I'll bus right back. Amidoinitright?
  noncommital
• active lurk
• let's spread my scumspects far and wide and whiteknight my scumbuddy and then as a cherry here have a null/IIoA ISO
• fluffy, that's how you like your scumhunting right?
• Yeah you can keep your vote there on the town makes my life easier, also keep your eye on panzer he's also town
• fluffy
• thought through votes are good except when they are "outdated" read on my buddy
• Is my other scum buddy ok?
• oh wow something of substance though a few things about this:
  • shows a reluctance to read through the thread again
  • wants to side with empking as he seems to be one of the stronger town elements
  • calls people out on horrible moves but doesn't do anything about it
    noncommital
• lurk
• vote on someone I have only mentioned once in passing stating they're weird
  noncommital
• let's set up reasoning for a toro lynch tomorrow!
• Hey Elfen, toro is being antitown and so are you, who do you want killed?
• gah ok I've had enough of this, this read just isn't working...

Conclusion Sundy is townish, noncommital and annoying but town

Will do another reread tomorrow morning taking notes and stuff

PEDIT: Yes Sundy, my read was justified, also what happened to:

Since Elfen is getting replaced, it makes sense to hear from his replacement first before sealing his fate, yes?

Don't I get the same? Please? You're as towny as can beeeeeeeeeeeee!

[TBuG]

If three more scum is a bit OP and you have a null read on me and scum reads on xvart and TheFool, why did you ISO Sundy instead of one of us three?

[Empking]

monk is Towny McTownperson. I say we turn this wagon around and lynch Xvart.

[Thomith]

I agree that monk has acted town, but that is only one post out of quite afew of CC's scummy posts. idk if a lynch on monk would be a good or bad idea yet, afew more posts could help me decide.

[Sundy]

Monk is being rather charming. I like his read on the game. Want to read a more complete one. And he is right that I am indecisive. It is a flaw I like to pretend is strategic.

[TheFool]

Well, the mason claim helps clear the playing field up a bit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: monk

If three more scum is a bit OP and you have a null read on me and scum reads on xvart and TheFool, why did you ISO Sundy instead of one of us three?

I am also confused about this.

[Thomith]

what is confusing about PBuG saying 3 more scum will be OP and asking why monk didn't ISO sundy but iso'd the null reads?

[Hoppster]

monk is Towny McTownperson. I say we turn this wagon around and lynch Xvart.

^ bit of an overstatement. I agree more with:

I agree that monk has acted town, but that is only one post out of quite afew of CC's scummy posts. idk if a lynch on monk would be a good or bad idea yet, afew more posts could help me decide.

Umm,

^(A) Did anyone see Sleepy's Miller Mason Recruiter claim? I think the scum are gambiting us here.

EK claims miller straight away then Sleepy calim's he's not only a miller but a Mason Recruiter as well?

^(B) I'd be willing to bet there are not two millers in the game. Or two masons.

Panzer:

(A) If you thought SleepyKrew was being serious about his claim, why did you not vote him? His role (ie. the Mason Recruiter bit) is blatantly impossible if you were a mason, so he is essentially CC'ing you. But you voted for the Miller claim that wasn't CC'ing you [Empking] over the one that was [SleepyKrew]? Why?

(B) Umm, this should be self-explanatory. You said you didn't think there were any masons, but you and Thomith

are

Masons apparently.

[monk]

If three more scum is a bit OP and you have a null read on me and scum reads on xvart and TheFool, why did you ISO Sundy instead of one of us three?

I had originally decided that I'd run with CC's read on sundy as I hadn't developed one of my own so I ISO'd sundy and found they were towny, I'll be back in about 4 hours and will have ISOs on PBuG, xvart and TheFool.

[monk]

also I'm pretty sure I'm at L-1

Claim: Vanilla Townie

I would like time to put up my ISOs on those three and more commentary on the game before I'm lynched please

monk is Towny McTownperson. I say we turn this wagon around and lynch Xvart.

Let's run with this for the moment:
VOTE: xvart

[PJ.]

Id be willing to bet their aren't two millers(emp,sleepy) or two masons(me and thomith, sleepy and whomever). Is what the sentence meant. It was deliberatly vague cause I didn't wanna claim early.

Also I just liked the empking lynch more.

[monk]

UNVOTE: xvart

reasoning to come momentarily

[xvart]

Sorry. At a conference in New Orleans and not as much time in the evenings as I thought to post. Will be back late tomorrow so post either then or the next day.

[monk]

You get a buy three get one free deal here!

Spoiler: PBuG

• rvs
• rqs
• fluff
• Miller stuff
• scumbuddy you being all over the place get it together
• oo look easy mislynch is easy!
• fluff
• fluff
• let's look like we're participating
• lets link people together
• EK stop it!
• fencesit!!
• Miller claim is bad look at all the discussion it has shown, meanwhile people are going under the radar
• blegh elfen
• neither toro or EK are scum or at least not together
• I'm confused
• repost is legitimate scumhunting right?
• wtf toro!
• legitimate scumhunt post
• more on EK v toro
• panzer is wrong
• toro is scum
• toro needs to claim
• fluff but somewhat necessary
• blegh toro
• blegh elfenVI
• playing down to the VI/newb
• unvote and self-vig is silly jakesh is scummy
• yep jakesh
• fluff
• ok this is an interesting set of reads/commentary I like it this pushes PBuG further into town territory

Conclusion towny
@PBuG you said you picked xvart for scum because of links with SK what are they?

Spoiler: TheFool

• Jakesh
  • Vote
  • unvote
  • Vote
  • the rest is fluff
• Strong entrance
• possible whiteknighting of hiplop
• sundy is scummy
• Sleepy is wifomy
• can't see the bus for the fleas
• I don't like the wagon on my other buddy

blegh IIoA and pretty much nothing else there needs to be a wagon here NOW!!!
VOTE: TheFool

Spoiler: xvart

• Hi guys I'm alive
• let's put some stuff out there, there's a bit of IIoA and some miller commentary nothing exemplary, let's top it off with a vote for one of the arguers
• Toro is scum lets finish the day already!!! Not to mention he's the godfather and more miller stuff
• Toro you're scum, either put a vote on EK or drop it
• fluff ohaiscumbuddy
• Let's guess toro's claim!
• Leave toro for the moment, Hoppster looks interesting...
• relevant post is irrelevant http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3143690
• Fluff
• Don't like the Miller stuff, whiteknight elfen, wanna fight Hoppster I've got good grammar!
• two posts of fluff
• Right lets go spam the thread with pointless banter over a passably nulltell!
• Good case on hoppster
• Interesting points on hoppster, basically I need to do an ISO on hoppster and will
• [skipping along to ISO #28]some slight buddying action with theFool
• doesn't get an answer from hoppster so goes and talks about how panzer is scummy
• puts Sleepy at L-1 first time he's mentioned sleepy was last post...
• really don't like the argument with Panzer
• Good point on sleepy's claim and yes what CC did was freaking scummy (blegh, I have to do so much work)
• panzerjager wins
• oh crap there goes my scum buddy run away!!
• Mafia theory, picking up on one of the few scummy things that panzer has done
• I've read enough

In the end I think he's closer to being town though he's fine enough staying in null so let's ISO his original pick for scum: Hoppster

[monk]

EBWOP: Hoppster ISO next post

[monk]

Hoppster ISO

• Jump on a wagon, I like it even if it's on my own slot
• good reasoned post and pointing out the scumminess of SK
• fluff
• Toro being stupid
• questions and general scumhuntery
• blegh SK
• hmm this post was missed by xvart for someone who was so on Hoppster for dropping the toro wagon
• fluffy
• doubt of toro read fluff
• toro isn't reasoning out
• start of the xvart bitchfest, I don't see it the reasoning xvart puts up is shaky and null

xvart goes back to scummy read, in ISO he's not scummy but when you actually go find the stuff he's pulling up it's non-existent/quotefarmed beyond recognition.

xvart however doesn't seem to have any major links to SK pending on PBuG and I guess panzer showing me these, I'm not too sold on it, though I still need another scum read. I'll have another read through the thread.

[monk]

EBWOP: xvart also doesn't appear to have any links to TheFool/jakesh

[Thomith]

looking back fool kind of looks like they have the most connections to SK and EK's arguement about bussing makes sence thinking about it.

[PJ.]

@monk: It's the complete lack of suspicion and then a turnaround vote without ever explaining it. Here's my original case...

If you use ctrl+f "SleepyKrew" on Xvart's ISO, you'll see he mentions him 22 times.

3 are quoting him. 4 are quotes with SleepyKrew in it and 9 are completely irrelevent(things like SleepyKrew asked this, or "Hoppster is voting SleepyKrew" things that hold no real value.

That leaves 6 more, lets examine them shall we?

I'm much more comfortable with a Panzer lynch today but I also recognize the likelihood of SleepyKrew being scum now that I've stepped back from the game and reread other areas.
SleepyKrew - consider this my intent to hammer so claim.

Here's 2 of 6 and the first time he mentions Sleepykrew in any negative light at all. Really vague and just mentions "I've stepped back and reread other areas. Doesn't tell us those areas, and clearly sees it as a plan B lynch

He then doesn't realize that Sleepy is l-2 and can't hop on, so settles for trying to force a claim.

Most townies know how many votes their number two suspects have, and it just seems like he's trying to earn townie points by showing interest in waning moments of Sleepy's life.

Oh. I thought he was L-1.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

This is the post he votes him on. Just hops on without any reason because he realizes he can safely and earn some easy town cred.

I basically reread the entire game, the cases on SleepyKrew (including Hoppsters). I don't think it will come as a shock to anyone but I was hard core tunneled and as I said needed to step back. Like I said, I would much rather lynch you today but I see the merit of the SleepyKrew case that others have outlined.

Two more sleepy mentions here(1 more left). Insist that he read the cases on SleepyKrew and reread the entire game but isn't specfic(which clearly avoid the question I asked of him) about what changed his mind. Just says, I read the game and the cases, I'm convinced and essentialy admits that he's just coattailing other cases but doesn't say what specifically.

A 2 shot BP seems strange as a town role if Toro was telling the truth about his role. I suspect SleepyKrew is not telling us the full story. I've never seen a 2 shot BP before. Has anyone else, and if so what game

Just questions the claim but not in the same aggresive manner he'd been playing. It's kinda passive and regrettful like he knows that Sleepy is gonna get lynched for the bad claim.

This on top of the fact that both his cases on me and Hoppster are complete and utter crap filled with fail logic and misinterpretations, I'm positive he's Sleepy's buddy.

[monk]

ah I had originally just skimmed that post, my bad what do you think of TheFool in relation to SK/xvart?