Mini 1345 (Over)

[MattP]

Don't worry about Venmar, he will basically scream his alignment in his next 5 posts.

VOTE: Near

[MattP]

I will just demand a PL on you myko but go ahead!

[MattP]

WAIT A SEC HOLD EVERYTHING THIS IS RICH

VOTE: BABYBLUE

EASIEST SCUM FOUND EVER

[MattP]

Bahahaha this officially has become the easiest and most ridiculous mafia catch in mattp history

[MattP]

I plan to explain why baby is scum when I get home assuming she is not hammered before then

[MattP]

Don't fucking rolefish

[MattP]

Baby is a village idiot moving along.

[MattP]

Actually wtf was I thinking I got soft sorry everyone keep on going with the votes just reread her crap scum posts

[MattP]

Greg I never said why I went 180, why did you choose that as a reason?

[MattP]

I will post more when I have my comp which is later tonight but I got some good reads out of this

[MattP]

Oh I forgot that parama is in this game I feel a little better now

Pedit: SEE PARAMA I HAVE THE TIGERS EYE I ANTICIPATE PEOPLE ARE SCUM A STEP BEFORE THEY EVEN TELL ME

[MattP]

I had a weak moment of empathy but I didn't unvote because bold tags are too hard on iPhones

[MattP]

Parama I had reasons but I was too phone to be all big type other than laugh yknow?

[MattP]

Parama has been trying to mess us up, and that is very odd to me.

While I don't agree with Parama and MattP's approach to scumhunting, what they've posted of their reasoning so far for voting you is valid. Reread the thread as someone who's not a part of the game and then see if you can still say it's odd.

I haven't given my reasoning yet?

[MattP]

I haven't given my reasoning yet?

Nope.

[/quote]
That was my point, I posed it as a rhetorical

[MattP]

I am drunk and am not in the mood to do it so suck it I'll do it later

[MattP]

Ok several things reading through

1) I do not have a computer for an indeterminate amount of time because I just moved to a new campus and the wifi is not working for me. Therefore I can't exactly ISO babies posts. If you think I'm delaying then you are wrong because I would never do that as town or scum and you can check my meta if you're so goddamn paranoid about it.

2) Gregory's response to my unvote was very scummy and I pointed out that earlier and planned to continue on that when I elaborated on baby

3) baby should flip. There were a lot of great reactions towards baby and me and if baby flips town we will find the scum through said reavtiond but she's done too many scummy things to write her off as newb. More votes in Gregory.

4) I'm usually more helpful but I have an issue right now. This post took me twenty minutes on its own

[MattP]

More votes on baby* not gregory

[MattP]

And you are basing that claim on what? To me, that makes it seem more like we should be looking at YOU as Mafia...

Was this a joke too? Because it's classic scum to try to call your attackers mafia, and since your newb I am going to assume you will be doing textbook things.

Does the Day end when the voting reaches majority in this game?

Well, it's only the first Day, so I doubt there's going to be much reason behind any of our votes.

Vote: Gregory

Because I'd prefer not to be out of my first game on the first Day.

You say that there is no reason behind any votes, but then you argue your vote by saying that the reasoning is that it was you or him. I don't think you had that reasoning initially. I think you justified your vote later with that reasoning. I think that therefore makes you a liar, and liars are scum.

I just can't shake the feeling he's gonna turn out to be a Serial Killer or something.

Scum. Already explained

That's all stuff after you made about twenty posts saying you were voting for me and harassing me over being a newbie. And you clearly overlook that I was suspicious of another player and that it is only the first day. And I never made a "SK" accusation. I was making a joke. Just like some other players have.

OH NO SISTA. I am not accepting that was a joke because it did not at ALL seem like a joke, you filthy fucking lying scum LYNCH THIS

You know why I signed up for this game? Because EVERYONE suggested I should. So I did.

You remind me of the girl from Oleanna, the Mamet play

[MattP]

There, I fucking did it, now I will be back hopefully with internet tonight.

[MattP]

Nope because baby is most likely scum.

[MattP]

You are not scum with baby, wonderful.

Myko, please see my reasons for baby scum. Refute them. Thanks.

[MattP]

Baby I explained why your first post was scummy AND then additionally why future posts were scummy. Please dont misrep. You are digging your own grave with your big mouth and impure naughty thoughts. You are clearly a clinical psychopath. I wish we could help you but you're in the wrong place and you can only harm yourself in this environment.

Pedit: so you weren't joking? So you did lie then?

[MattP]

Yawn.
This is boring now.
Can we:
1. Lynch Baby
2. Vig Arugula
3. Party hard

Gregory should be trampled during the party.

[MattP]

God. I don't even...just...maybe she's just stupid...no...NO I will NOT succumb to your pleas!

[MattP]

Oh Parama, cmon now you're just being anal. I know you want a lynch you've been pushing but let's look at the other options for a sec.

Up to page 5:

Glad I kept that abbreviations guide open...

Perhaps later in the game. But it's the first day. And it wasn't solely because he voted for me. As you can see, the votes are currently tied. I had to vote for him in order to ensure my own survival. I know I'm not Mafia, but I can't be sure about him. Like I said, though, I'm willing to switch my vote.

So your only explanation for wanting to push a Mattp lynch is because he voted for you? I know it's early but why Mattp? All i see you getting mad at him for pushing you. Any real reason other than OMGUS or Spite, because the "survival" argument does not stick, you were not in any danger, and it was only Mattp who was on you. What about him is making you "unsure" about him? You're not sure about him but you're willing to switch your vote? Explain.

BLABLABLA way too much talk way too little content. So many hypotheticals I can barf. I forget if Venmar is like this as scum, I will review his meta. With Venmar he generally cannot hide his alignment well so meta will be helpful with him.

I'm not sure why my "survival" reason for Gregory does not stick. If the majority of votes are against you, to me, it makes sense to put your own vote on the person with the next-highest amount.

does it? even when you have no reason to believe this person is scum? I mean, I random voted you, you've got entirely no reason to believe I'm scum. You do have suspicions against mattp, but because I'm at 2 allready you vote me. Is that rational? Do you really think it's the best way to win this game? because to me it doesnt really look like the towny way of dealing with problems.

'
If it doesn't look towny then why the fuck aren't you voting her? Why are you fencesitting?

Baby is a village idiot moving along.

isn't that a little bit too easy. players without much experience can and will make scum slips too. couple hours ago you were assured baby is scum, now that opinion turned 180 degrees. all because one really really soft PR claim?

odd

Odd that you just completely misrepped me, made up propaganda and then added your little cute "odd" at the end. You are just setting up mislynches.

Gut says echo is town.

Well I think Baby is newbtown, I know I'm town, and I don't think anyone else is scum yet, so I might as well keep my vote.

I want to know EXACTLY why Baby is newbtown.

What makes baby town?
Why are you not scumhunting?

He soft-claimed a PR.

Are you an idiot or scum or both?

Soft-claiming a PR does NOT make someone town, and you justifying your read with that reads like some bullshit you gathered together last second to justify a pointless read.

I

think you can easily be scum that knows Baby is town and you were just trying to gain towncred with this knowledge, but you were caught.

We're long out of RVS, so i will

Unvote

for now.

Venmar is town for the unvote, and it sounds like a dumb reason, but Venmar usually tunnels like a naughty bitch when he is scum, and he is being too detached to be scum.

pedit:

MOD, DOES MAFIA HAVE DAYTALK?

Nope.

[MattP]

Lemme clarify, Venmar tunnels like a naughty apologetic bitch and he has not apologized nor tunneled with his push.

[MattP]

BabyBlue doesn't seem capable of faking a softclaim. That's why I thought he was town.

I think you are not giving a human being enough credit.

[MattP]

Baby, I am saying that Aru may be using you, if town, to gain towncred, BUT that does not excuse you young man

pedit: Aru, Baby is saying that her role is town aligned and therefore losing it is a detriment to town, that is NOT a softclaim.

[MattP]

Baby, you are playing a lousy game. If losing your role will be VERY bad for town then you should not be saying that.

Also, I doubt it would be bad since you apparently cannot tell night from day and will not be able to use it properly anyway.

VOTE: Gregory

[MattP]

Baby is the Village Idiot and I have made up my mind for the rest of the day about that.

[MattP]

Baby, it's better if you just stop talking for awhile.

[MattP]

BabyBlue, spoiler: Parama is town

[MattP]

Do you know that all your posts are useless shit or do you not know?

[MattP]

Oh shut up baby if you make one more annoying ass speech like that I'm policy lynching you you are ruining this game.

[MattP]

Yeah echo is town cool chalk that up to three conf town

[MattP]

unvote

someone else can feel free to put her at L-1

Parama is town for asking someone else to put Baby to L-1 when he has been pushing her this entire time, he would stick to his town play by continuing to tunnel her and insist on her lynch if he were scum trying to look like town, but instead he did the "I'm town and idgaf what I look like" move, which he would only do as town, not as scum playing town.

Venmar gets kicked out of the town club for his laziness and audacity to ask for a recap when he says he will be reading up himself, looks like scum asking a stupid question to seem like he's doing the scumhunting thing.

BabyBlue is on my "I am ignoring every post she makes for now on until she rolls over in her grave" list.

[MattP]

OK I BROKE IT, BABY WE ARE NOT LYNCHING YOU FOR BEING A NEW PLAYER WE ARE LYNCHING YOU FOR BEING SCUMMY. ANY ATTEMPTS TO CONTINUE THIS COMPLAINING I WILL TAKE AS YOU TRYING TO PLAY A POOR INNOCENT NEWB THAT IS ACTUALLY CONFSCUM

THE NEXT POST YOU MAKE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING PITY PARTY WILL MAKE ME HAMMER YOU, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

[MattP]

Parama, it's ok, you're still town.

Is Baby at L-1? If so I want to hammer

pedit: Near, go ahead, explain, don't be shy

[MattP]

Echo, anything can be WIFOM. I just so happen to know that I am right.

[MattP]

Baby, people don't like your play because youi're not scumhunting, you're just saying in EVERY post that you are attacked and a new player. We are NOT voting you for being a new player. We are NOT unaccepting. We were ALL new players at one point. It's your way of complaining and coimplaining and complaining that makes us want you gone, on top of your scummy behhavior.

There, I explained to you. Calmly. Do you understand now?

[MattP]

Whether or not you disagree with our reads on you does not merit you taking such a defensive position. Fine. You disagree with us, as you should because if you're town you know it and if you're scum you should be pretending to be town. The issue is not you disagreeing with our reads on you, the issue is you playing victim.

pedit: You are not showing good reasons for your scumhunting though. You just say anyone that attacks you is mafia. You are not quoting posts and explaining why they are scummy, you are just assuming anyone that attackjs you has the intention of kjilling town.

[MattP]

Here's what you can do to redeem yourself:

Go through people's individual posts and find what is scummy about them to you, REGARDLESS of who they are attacking in their posts. Try to be as unbiased and third party as possible. Then come back to us with why didfferent people are scum or town.

pedit: Venmar, you are scummy for your question about us explaining the baby attacking. You said you would read the thread, so what's up with the extraneous request? Looks like you're trying to seem protown. Why did you ask for us to explain the Baby push to you if you were going to read it anyway? I don't like excessive stuff, it is almost always a scumtell.

pedit2: Baby, I posted reaosns that other people had not posted. Additionally, I explained why your first post was scummy. That's how I play, I push people HARD because I get good reactions from it that I can work with and then decide their alignment. Your first post read scummy, not necessarily scum, but scummy. Then when I pushed you you accused me of being a SK, of being scum, and other things. That's what really convinced me you were scum. It's my strategy.

[MattP]

And stop being defensive, I'm trying to be helpful now.

[MattP]

So i am scummy for wanting more feedback from the game? Cool, i don't like you already. You strike me as too much of a jumpy and pushy person.

While you're misrepping me why don't you just vote me too instead of being a lil pansy?

The Serial Killer thing was a joke, and if you were pushing me, I was certainly unaware of it.

I have already done that-told you why I think someone is Mafia. Does anyone even read my posts? But fine. I'll do it again. I remember why.

Scumhunter-Not much to go on, but his inactivity is suspicious to me. With all this chaos, the Mafia could easily just sit back and avoid even being thought of, which he really has done for days now.

Matt-Accused someone of being Mafia after one post, stalled explaining why, then his reasoning turned out to just be copying what others had posted. And none of those reasons were even remotely convincing.

Parama and Aru-Parama actively tried to lynch a player for being Mafia with reasons that didn't work. Aru did not back the lynch, yet subtly said the same things. Seems like two people working together on some strategy that might have been planned.

You need to quote certain posts and explain with them. Additionally, I will speak for myself, I was computerless and then drinking the one time I was on a computer so in both cases I couldn't respond. You don't know if I'm telling the truth, you can choose to or not. But that is why I took so long to respond.

I wopuld like to see quotes for the other players though and reasons with the posts. I would also like you to show me your read of Gregory.

[MattP]

Daykill: Venmar

Easy fuckin peasy

[MattP]

Wait. Lol, did you actually just kill me or what?

Yeah

[MattP]

Who are your top 3 scum, Venmar?

[MattP]

Aw, c'mon, if you had to guess

[MattP]

Why?

[MattP]

@Venmar

I just did what I intuitively felt was right

[MattP]

Welp. Woops.

[MattP]

Note to self: Never play with Venmar again O.o

[MattP]

Well, the good news is that whoever replaces in is obvtown. So that's a win.

[MattP]

LOL

[MattP]

@Near: Yes

[MattP]

Baby, the mod has a real life.

Is Near referring to Mafia daytalk?

Yeah, he thinks me and Venmar pulled that as a stunt to disassociate ourselves from each other.

[MattP]

Still, how can anyone be said to be dead if the host has not confirmed it?

I pretended to daykill Venmart to see his alignment, knowing he has never been in a game where someone fake daykilled someone. He responded as town.

[MattP]

Obviously true. You would not have day killed Venmar based on info, regardless of day vig or day kill goon. Agree?

Please reiterate, I don't follow.

[MattP]

Yes, and I did not kill him, I pretended to because I knew it would be an easy way of figuring out his alignment.

[MattP]

Also, I would have considered killing him as a dayvig since I had a scumread on him. Probably not, but had the conversation continued I would have very possibly done it. But let's say no because I'd like to see your thought progression.

[MattP]

Baby, Venmar did not roleclaim, in fact I think he would have been more likely to had we faked it, because it would have seemed more authentic, but rather Venmar was wary.

[MattP]

It's fine, I'll replace. You can continue playing. I'm not going to ruin the fun for a player.

[MattP]

Near, Venmar has roleclaimed scum before when pressured in a game I was in with him, and that is why I did it and I will happily provide you with a link before I replace.

[MattP]

Okay, i will admit i am scum. One of the three goons.

I started out this game very excited, It is and was my very first game as a mafia. Never playing as one, i admit i probably slipped more than just that once time Mattp pointed out. To be completely fair though, i adopted a very familiar play style of that of my first game. In my first game i had very similar inconsistency as i had in this game. If BK can confirm anything, he can say that when i played in my first game i played very scummy and yet i flipped townie. I am still learning and i hope to learn from the mistakes i made in this game, such as inconsistency.

@ BK201

- I can't and wont tell you who i think is scum because I obviously know who the scum is and who isn't. In the risk of blowing my teammates's cover, i wont say anymore on this.

Been a good game. Good luck to to all.
To speed things up:

Vote: Venmar

PEdit: This "turtle nonsense" was me being a retarded. Just joking around.

[MattP]

Ok, but I'm just saying that there are a lot of other, bigger personalities than me on this forum and if you had an issue dealing with me you will have an issue with a lot of people outside of the Open forum. However, good luck and I wish you the best.

[MattP]

Near, I didn't particularly care to wait because Venmar was giving me scum vibes and I felt strongly enough about them to pounce at that moment. I'm a fairly impulsive person and I trust my reads a lot, so I pounced.

If you can't tell, I go from a town to a scumread on someone very quickly so if you think my thought process was faked you're wrong.

[MattP]

Venmar, I'm talking about other people, people like Kuribo or Umbrage, etc, but it's fine, I don't want to go on about this. If you want you can PM me about our interactions (outside the scope of the game). Otherwise, it's been nice getting to know ya.

[MattP]

Yes stay and get lynched. BabyBlue stop ignoring me.

Who me?

Also, I have intent to hammer Baby so next vote and she is done. Therefore, it's time to claim, Baby.

[MattP]

Matt, Baby, Venmar, you guys need to stop posting about non-game stuff. We have 2 and a half pages of fluff thanks to you.

Baby, if you don't understand something, it's usually better to observe rather than talk. You made at least 9 useless posts in the last 2 pages, not counting new ones.

Spoiler:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4116330
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4116342
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4116349
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4116356
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4116363
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4116371
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4116394
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p4116396
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4116408

Matt and Venmar, you're derailing discussion. I don't care if either of you want to replace out, but just because the game may no longer matter to you, there are still 10 other people who still want to play.

I have made THREE posts not in reference to the game, the other shit was all in reference to my fakekill on Venmar and Near's reaction to it, so before you go being the thread savior reread.

I want to know your opinion on the matter. What do you think of Venmar's reaction, of BB, and of Near's statement about it?

[MattP]

VOTE: Babyblue

Someone else can hammer, I'm heading out for the night.

[MattP]

Near, do you think that town would NOT say that?

[MattP]

Honestly I completely forgot that anyway lol

[MattP]

Near, if you do a find search in Baby Blue's ISO for the word "sense", you'll find it a GOOD number of times, so I think BabyBlue is playing dumb and has been this entire time. She FOUGHT to be put into a game and argued herself by saying she was not at ALL a newbie, yet she has constantly went on an on about how senseless everything is. I think she is a liar.

[MattP]

Baby, how about a deal. If I flip town do you agree to join a Newbie Game?

[MattP]

That doesn't go against the rules. I am making a deal with you and I am not referring to anything that can jeapordize this game. Maybe I will flip scum. BUT if I flip town you will agree to join a Newbie Game, yes?

SH: BB has done a lot of complaining and saying the same things over and over again and it's a pain to read through. I've been ignoring her posts recently but it really ruins a game for me, and I've had to do this in several games recently. I would honestly just prefer to step out of the game if this continues because it really is no longer enjoyable for me.

[MattP]

In several games as in games where there were people I didn't like that I had to ignore.

[MattP]

No, because I think she is scum for reasons I've stated and I cannot COMPLETELY ignore her due to that. It would be easier if I had a VI read on her.

I think she is scum because noone can be this clueless for real. I'll quote myself as I said previously:

Near, if you do a find search in Baby Blue's ISO for the word "sense", you'll find it a GOOD number of times, so I think BabyBlue is playing dumb and has been this entire time. She FOUGHT to be put into a game and argued herself by saying she was not at ALL a newbie, yet she has constantly went on an on about how senseless everything is. I think she is a liar.

Also, it's funny how EVERY post she makes she is trying to force your vote somewhere when you've already stated you haven't read me yet.

pedit: I've actually tried to be helpful to BB and help her matriculate more easily into the game with advice but she refused to take it and called me scum.

[MattP]

Baby is a troll. I have finally realized.

[MattP]

SH, she reads as someone PRETENDING to be that way.

[MattP]

SH, my trolldar is even more superb than my gaydar, and I am telling you that she is trolling.

[MattP]

Because if she's trolling she is then trying to cover up her mistakes by saying, I'm a newb so Idk what I'm doing. The only reason she would be trolling is if she is scum.

Baby, if you're so against it then replace out because I will not stop saying you're a troll. And take it as a compliment, it means I think you're smarter than you're letting yourself off to be.

[MattP]

NS baby how ya been?

You're playing to your town meta already and combined with Venmars reaction I think you're obv town woo!

So let's make babies and vote BABYBLUE yes?

[MattP]

Near is town for his out of left field questions to baby about her avatar. It's so weird that only town would do that.

[MattP]

Baby, you have about twice as many posts as anyone else. Do you think you could post less? I don't mean this in a rude way, it's just hard for people that have been gone for awhile to come back and have to catch up on a bunch of pages, especially when a lot of your posts are just observations, like your last one.

[MattP]

Baby, it's a useless observation to say, "we can't seem to agree" what does that do to move forward the game?

[MattP]

It's a useless observation to say my post is a useless observation. You're getting on my case over nothing.

Ok, cool so you admit it was useless. That's all I wanted to know.

[MattP]

Echo, what is your current read on Baby.

[MattP]

I was rethinking Baby today, and now I'm not certain...

There is NO way to know if he is trolling or not and he will be our demise if he makes it, and he will, to lylo, if we have to come to lylo.

[MattP]

wierd, the fact that Baby is not at ALL offended that everyone is calling her useless says something. She says she's not useless so why does she never defended her usefulness when called out on it? It's because she is trolling and she knows it. Either that or she knows she is an idiot, which would at least make me feel a little better because the first step to recovery is admittance.

[MattP]

Arugula, I honestly don't even give a shit if Baby is scum, I want her dead regardless for being the most annoying play I have ever played against (and she will turn this into me hating on newbies when I actually just hate her sub-human intelligence and anal retentive attitude). You should too.

[MattP]

blablabla

How fascinating!

Matt, do you think Venmar is town?

What do you think about Arugula?

Venmar's reaction read town to me. I also know him from other rounds so it especially read as an authentic reaction from him. Then the replacement is an alt of NS, a player that I can read like a book, and his first post fitted his town meta. So yes, he is town.

Arugula is a null. I usually pounce on people the second they give me a slight scum read and I generally glorify people the second they give me a slight town read. Arugula has done neither.

Matt, I agree that Baby is very irritating. I am not a fan of policy lynches, though. Lynching someone I think is town just doesn't sit right with me, but I'm still considering it.

There are strawberry flavored candies involved if you help me.

[MattP]

For town read, lemme correct that. I usually get very strong town reads on people from one post, I don't glorify people for slight townreads. Like, you practically townslipped with your questioning on Babyblue, and Parama did that town unvote of Baby, and finally Venmar and NS did those town things I mentioned.

[MattP]

That made me so happy Arugula I can't even.

[MattP]

wah wah wah cry cry cry

Then replace out

[MattP]

No. I'll be damned if I'm going to be bullied off this forum because you're too arrogant to take on a new player fairly.

Then enjoy being policy lynched

[MattP]

4

[MattP]

unvote

someone else can feel free to put her at L-1

Parama is town for asking someone else to put Baby to L-1 when he has been pushing her this entire time, he would stick to his town play by continuing to tunnel her and insist on her lynch if he were scum trying to look like town, but instead he did the "I'm town and idgaf what I look like" move, which he would only do as town, not as scum playing town.

Venmar gets kicked out of the town club for his laziness and audacity to ask for a recap when he says he will be reading up himself, looks like scum asking a stupid question to seem like he's doing the scumhunting thing.

BabyBlue is on my "I am ignoring every post she makes for now on until she rolls over in her grave" list.

Matt
To be 100% honest
I was trying to get the opportunity to hammer

But since that's screwed up now

vote: Baby

It's a combo of my first line of thinking combined with the honesty of his response, Near.

[MattP]

I think he is wonderful. I think you need to stop bullying older players, Baby

Additionally, I can't understand a word you say, nothing you say makes any sense.

[MattP]

Kill US? So you just scumslipped? Or slipped that you're a hydra?

LOL MOAR VOTES PLS

[MattP]

Who says he is older?

And now you're just trolling, not that you were ever being serious. Go ahead, kill

us

. I'll get the last laugh.

That has nothing to do with your ability, that has to do with a SLIP, admitting you are either scum or that you are a hydra, and therefore not a newbie, and therefore you have been LYING about your newbiness and LIARS ARE SCUM SO STFU AND DIAF

[MattP]

Oooh, so now you wanted me to pick up on hints you've been dropping when all along you have thought I was scum. OOOOHHHH OK

YOUR SLIP WILL NOT BE EXCUSED

[MattP]

I don't want your hints, you're at L-1, claim if you want otherwise shut the fuck up. Now your claim involves explaining your slip so if you have any brains you'll fucking do it

[MattP]

There is NO role that would explain the "us" Baby, but please, cater to me. I'm intrigued!

I also already have the youtube link ready for when you die

[MattP]

Unvote

I get to hammer, it's only fair. Someone put her back to L-1. I won't hammer until after she claims, or after she refuses to claim.

pedit: So you're the Good or the Bad Brother???

[MattP]

So TWO good brothers? Yeah ok lynch this NOW. This is a mini normal round, that would NEVER happen, Baby is lying.

[MattP]

I don't believe you, that is not a mini normal role.

[MattP]

No, I caught you in a lie.

According to the rules of a mini normal there can be only ONE new role. You are insinuating TWO, a sort of good brother role and a role involving you getting killed with something happening as a result. You are trying to prevent your lynch with threats but you scumslipped TWICE in the process.

[MattP]

Nope, you've scumslipped twice and now you die, pretty straightforward, and if the mod did do that I would be pissed.

[MattP]

What about me?

Echo, Baby wants to be your playdate

[MattP]

I hate you.

[MattP]

A two person tracker that you called an investigative role?

Near wanna see a magic trick? Vote baby and I'll show you

[MattP]

Lol you slipped again about your supposed mason status

If you were mason then you would have thought of your mason buddy vouching for you but you conveniently forgot.

Vote near we have heard enough

[MattP]

Some call that role fishing which is anti town and people generally do it as a last resort to getting lynched

[MattP]

Parama put your vote back on him

[MattP]

VOTE: BABY

[MattP]

YES I HAMMERED YOU YOU STUPID LITTLE NUISANCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OQwGr-5wI

[MattP]

Baby is trying to wifom us with Echo so just ignore everything that comes out of her big fat fucking mouth from here on out

[MattP]

So basically I was right about you being scum?

So I caught scum with their first post?

So essentially I fucking rock?

Ok cool moving on.

[MattP]

Doctor obviously protect me since I'm pretty damn obvtown.

[MattP]

Don't be sore Baby

[MattP]

Baby is playing anti town by outing her allies. I request she be immediately blacklisted from all future games ever on the forum kthx.

[MattP]

And I did scumhunt you and just because you're a sad little bitch doesn't mean it's not true so go away now you little witch.

[MattP]

No, Near, she is ACTUALLY this bad

[MattP]

Baby, when everyone involved with a game is saying you suck that says something.

[MattP]

Actually, I can. Because you didn't figure out my role. You pounced on a new player who you were mad joined your game and admittedly lynched them for that reason. Your victory means nothing.

If you didn't suck ass I wouldn't have pounced on you, get your facts straight.

[MattP]

Yeah, we're all out to get ya!

[MattP]

I recommend we stop giving her stuff to play with until the KP when she can't post anymore. Hopefully she is site banned for her behavior this round. That is all.

[MattP]

VOTE: echo

[MattP]

Someone vig gregory tonight kthx

[MattP]

I will make a case against him when I get a comp but he is probscum

[MattP]

Scum hunters reads on echo and baby seem very genuine after doing an iso reread of him so I am going to pin him as town. He defended baby very sincerely yesterday.

I have to say that parama me scum hunter and shattered viewpoint are obvious town and I bet I can find a bunch more from interactions with baby since she is pretty much an open stupid read an anyone she argued with is probtown

[MattP]

Hey, that's really rude. I told near both times that we shouldn't talk about this, and now you are acting like I was responsible? And for the record, most of you have at least a post or two that is off-topic.

We can't just vote for nobody. Matt's random attack on Ven and his reasoning behind it made about as much sense as all the other stuff he has said, like why he thinks I'm Mafia. And then, after all that, he immediately starts pushing to get me lynched again. His behavior is just way too suspicious.

This was in response to toon fighter which makes me think toon is town along with toons previous behavior. Then we have this ding ding ding post:

I hope Gregory unvotes me and votes for someone else. I'm VERY close to death here.

Hehe why Gregory and why does Gregory unvote RIGHT after this? Because Gregory is scum.

[MattP]

Baby calls mykonian ridiculous. Mykonian is town. This is like playing marco polo against Helen Keller

[MattP]

I have six town reads and two scum read so far. If the last two are town we have game and just vig and lynch for game.

[MattP]

I'll do the same. I've stated my suspicion of him and Parama. I'd rather have Parama out, but Aru is fine too. Both have been acting weird this whole phase. No reason to keep my vote where it is right now, either.

Unvote: Gregory
Vote: Arugula

This is . . . . really bad. You'd rather have Parama lynched, but when I come through with a decent point, it feels like you are jumping on it to save yourself. I've still got huge newb vibes, but this post was the first to seriously give me doubts, probably because it's so blatant a bandwagon and if you are scum I really don't want to lead your escape route.

I'm still keeping my vote on Arugula, but this is noted.

Reads town.

It's interesting that you aren't sure how to describe the setup, since you are clearly familiar with the titles of the various roles and mechanics of the game.

To be completely honest, even though I don't see how the case on you makes you more newbScum than newbTown, I'm ready to policy lynch you.

Going further, I don't believe you are a new player. For whatever reason, you are choosing to play this game faking being a newb. You have managed to make almost every single newb mistake possible, a feat that very very few actual newbs manage to do, while avoiding making the mistakes that would directly get you removed from the game (trying to prove yourself via language in your role PM comes to mind).

I've played Mafia games before that require creating a character to play as, and then role playing as that character throughout the game. Some of the tricks that were used to create a character were giving yourself these weird little quirks to set you apart from everyone . . . like always capitalizing every game-related word . . . or insisting on calling players by the incorrect gender, even after they've repeatedly corrected you. The fact that you've gone to great lengths to continue these things are huge red flags that this is an act, as are your vague answers to getting questioned on your background.

I encourage everyone to read through all of BabyBlue's posts, not just in this thread, but across the entire site. Her posts read as though she is trying to teach a class called "How To Be A Newb Player." It's all

too

perfect.

I'm not the kind of person to get absolutely furious about pranks like this . . . but I know others on this site are going to give you absolute hell for it. But if you've got the brains to pull off a scheme like this (and I've got a few guesses as to why you are doing it), you already know that. By bringing this shtick into the game, you are degrading the experience for everyone, and intentionally dumbing down your play is not playing to your win condition. To put it quite simply, if this is the case, I don't want to play a game with you.

UNVOTE: Arugula
VOTE: BabyBlue

(This all being said, if you are actually a new player who just has a quirky personality, I apologize for calling you this. If you aren't an alt, you can prove it by going through the proper channels to get acquainted with how this site works (newbie queue) and sticking around. I mean nothing I'm saying personally. This is all just a matter of improving the game for everyone.)

DING DING DING WE HAVE A TOWN READ ON FIGHTING

[MattP]

Weird tunnels baby most of the game yet tries to give her advice about joining a newbie round reads frustrated town.

I have eight town reads and two scum reads.

So yeah let's get this over with everyone vote echo now and then we can NK gregory

[MattP]

Good you'd better agree with me or next I may fake day sk you

Speaking of which we may have a sk and if we do it's myko but this is just a hunch

[MattP]

I am going to say this now because I am just assuming that I will die tonight.

Myko is the Serial Killer. My SKdar is pretty good, and I will justify it when I have more time, but I want this to be quoted tomorrow when 3 scum are dead yet the game is still ongoing.

[MattP]

Aw c'mon babe, you must know my gutreads are fairly impeccable. You should just claim now and save us the trouble.

[MattP]

Parama, can I have your reads?

[MattP]

Vig claims tomorrow in case they are roleblocked by the lat mafia tonight.

Why is Gregory town parama read my post about him.

[MattP]

I dont think that, or her second vote for Gregory, mean anything.

[MattP]

Actually, it means we have a SK who is MattP because all four mafia are 100% in the group no way they're not.
I mean Echo is confirmed mafia anyways~

There are only 3 mafia generally in a 13 person setup. Also, if there were 4 mafia no way there would be a SK too.

[MattP]

Near was a plausibility, although I personally had an obvtown read on him, but I understand why a

simpleton

could have been misled.

Arugula was the mafia kill.

[MattP]

VOTE: scumhunter

Echo NK easy

[MattP]

Near NK and not echo NK = prob sk or scum

[MattP]

Would a cop have a gun?

Additionally, WHY WOULD YOU DETECT SCATTERED VIEWPOINT HE WAS OBV TOWN.

[MattP]

SO WE GO ON WITH PLAN:

LYNCH ECHO VIG GREGORY

VOTE: ECHO

[MattP]

No. No. No. We kill Gregory next. IDGAF. His interaction with BB was condemning and it completely fits with BabyBlue's play to just outright like an idiot tell Gregory to change his vote.

Also, let's lynch Echo now. He has lurked through this thread several times now and his silence is just proof of his guiltiness. Vote him now.

[MattP]

EBWOP: Next as in after Echo

[MattP]

Also @Matt if I wanted to lurk, I'd either log in as invisible like you do or just not log in at all. Unlike you I've got nothing to hide.

Echo I am in like 9 games at a time. You have NO reason why I am invisible. And your counterattack about the invisibility screams scum.

[MattP]

Ok. Wow.

[MattP]

Scumhunter, why are you sheeping the #1 most scummy person in the game and asking him for his thoughts?

[MattP]

Scumhunter, BB practically stated that Echo is scum, and it reads very sincere. How can you ignore that just because Echo is

surprisingly

attacking the next most scummy player besides his scumbuddy Gregory? Everything he is doing fits perfectly with my read of him. Open your eyes lad!

[MattP]

Fine Gregory's claim is more believable because it came third and was not compelled by anything

But if SH flips town Greg goes after echo

VOTE: SH

[MattP]

Ok fine plan fixed

1) scumhunter investigates Gregory and if scumhunter is night killed we just assume a guilty on Greg
2) we lynch echo
3) we NK myko

Ok? At the very least we know echo is scum

VOTE: echo

[MattP]

Shattered Viewpoint, Parama, MattP: those 3 are pretty much absolutely confirmed town at this point.

Actually matt is SK but we'll worry about him later
He can still kill scum right now~

Lol you're cute when you try to sound smart

[MattP]

SH investigated Greg, right?

[MattP]

Greg is town because SH cleared him. If SH is lying about clearing him then SH is scum and there is only one scum left, meaning Gregory would still be town. Therefore, Gregory is conftown.

And Parama is scummy as fuck for voting him.

[MattP]

wierdalexv - town
Parama
Scumhunter
Gregory - town
mykonian
FightingShadow - town
MattP - town
Toon Fighter - town

This is how it is as far as I'm concerned.

[MattP]

Ok, fine, Parama can be town that just made OMGUS votes on Greg and me.

I don't think SH would clear the other top scumread, Gregory, like that were he scum, so SH is town.

That leaves us with myko, toon, and Fighting. We should look at all three of their interactions with BB.

BB called out Echo at the end but noone else, which means that the other scumbuddy was not voting BB.

The following players were voting BB:

wierdalexv, FightingShadow, Arugula, Echo, Shattered Viewpoint, Parama, MattP

Therefore, wierd, Fighting, Parama and me are conftown.

Gregory and SH are town. So we are left with the final mafia in these two players:

mykonian
Toon Fighter

Conclusion: We lynch the two over the next two days, starting with toon.

Vote: Toon Fighter

This is the most analytical logic we can follow.

[MattP]

IF TOON FIGHTER FLIPS SCUM WE LYNCH MYKONIAN TOMORROW FOR GAME.

[MattP]

Gregory, fightingshadow was voting bb. bb only outed echo as being a scumbuddy voting for him. Therefore his other scumbuddy was not voting for him. Fightingshadow was voting for him. There very well may not be a SK, so aim for the scum.

[MattP]

We are conftown because baby outed scum that bussed her. Why would she out one scum but not another?

[MattP]

You do not understand what I am saying. Baby SPECIFICALLY called out Echo for voting her as her scumbuddy. She would have made no sense to call out one scumbuddy but not another if they were both voting her. Therefore, anyone voting Baby D1 at the hammer is town.

[MattP]

Oh babe I'm depending on that.

[MattP]

PARAMA IS TOWN BECAUSE OF BABYBLUE'S OUTING OF ECHO WHEN PARAMA WAS ON THE SAME WAGON.

LETS GET THIS FUCKING STRAIGHT.

WE ARE ONLY LYNCHING TOON OR MYKO TODAY.

IF ANYONE LEADS ANY OTHER WAGON THEY WILL BE TAGGED A VI BY ME FOR THE REST OF MY PLAY ON THIS FORUM.

SERIOUSLY DONT BE AN IDIOT. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO STUBBORN TO AGREE THAT MY REASONING MAKES PERFECT SENSE BECAUSE YOU THINK YOU ARE FOLLOWING GOD'S GIVEN AGENDA TO YOU AS SOME HIGHER BEING DOES NOT MAKE YOU RIGHT, IT MAKES YOU WRONG.

SO STFU AND VOTE TOON.

THAT IS ALL.

[MattP]

im scum

You could have just said this because that's what your post said but much more drawn out.

[MattP]

im scum

You could have just said this because that's what your post said but much more drawn out.

[MattP]

Baby would have called Parama out angrily for that had he done that!

[MattP]

weird, vote toon for end of game.

[MattP]

Seriously, there are too many conftown for us to lose a 1 v 7 setup. So just vote and make this faster please.

[MattP]

Nope, I am not losing this.

I am going through EVERYTHING again after I get back from work.

IF ANYONE PLACES A VOTE IN THE NEXT FIVE HOURS WHILE IM GONE ILL TAKE IT AS A SCUM CONFESSION.

[MattP]

On iPhone will have Internet tonight to check thread held up by personal issues

[MattP]

Why is weird not mafia

[MattP]

Oh because he is a confirmed killer right?

[MattP]

Ok cool VOTE: FC

And if game's not over weird is SK gg gg easy peasy.

[MattP]

Fighting, at least try to fight for your life!

VOTE: FightingShadow

[MattP]

Yeah lets just end it

[MattP]

Ok Parama time to vote

[MattP]

IF SCUMHUNTER MADE A GAMBIT CLEARING GREGORY I WOULD BE IMPRESSED

[MattP]

Unless I'm mafia and I've bee fucking with all of you all along with my awesome scum skills

[MattP]

FS and echo were actually playing fine D1 and neither were on my scumlist. BB effectively ruined a game.