Mini 1379 - Game Over!

[UberNinja]

I am not counter-claiming anything. I have my own claim which will be glorious when I give it. Which will be last.

[UberNinja]

[UberNinja]

I'm not talking about waiting for mass claim mastin. I couldn't care less about it.

I'm waiting for you and CoolDog to be lynched.

[UberNinja]

Axxle why are you defending obvscum from obvscum

[UberNinja]

-sigh-

If you're town, you're being a moron. And I say this with all possible respect for your previous awesomeness in another game.

Cooldog and mastin need to die. I don't care which order. They are both scum, and their claims together are scum fakeclaims.

[UberNinja]

So... where the hell is everybody?

[UberNinja]

Unvote; vote: mastin

If Cooldog is bussing mastin, that's fine by mua.
If Cooldog is telling the truth, mastin is still scum.

This requires re-reading though.

[UberNinja]

Actually wait,

Unvote

.

During re-reading (specifically post 201) I just got paranoid that Cooldog is scum and mastin is TOWN.

[UberNinja]

Fuck. Reread the RVS. BB claimed town. BB never claims town, he always claims self lyncher or some shit.

VOTE: BBmolla

BB will get nked at some point in the game for that comment. No need to lynch him this early.

What's your stance on this now? BB has not been NK'd.

And how come you said "no need to lynch him

this early

"?

I didn't claim anything

What was the thing you asked us to ignore? Just a little something for shits and giggles?

BB is trying a gambit, leave him alone.

Do you still think it's a gambit?

Hello mastin, make a wall for us!

This is the comment I was talking about in the above post, ftr.

I'm pretty sure mastin is town for his post on the need for a darkhorse lynch. We still have a lot of time til deadline though.

What changed about this?

I'm not convinced that Fancy pants is scum. He's not the worst d-1 lynch of all time. If forced to I will vote for a lynch wagon.

If he's not a bad lynch, why would you feel "forced" to vote for him?

I'm also pretty convinced that my early UN read was wrong. His posts are too effortless to be scum.

I'm going to do some reading on Axxle and Fancy later today.

I think axxle is null to maybe scummy later on depending on flips.

So, what do you think of Axxle now?

Mastin is correct. FP has given off some powerful association tells. Lynch lynch lynch, before deadline and all that.

When did this turn from "if I'm forced to vote him I will" into "lynch lynch lynch".

What associative tells did you get from FP's flip? I don't see anything about that in your ISO.

UN, that's a good case, but I can't get over the fact that RM was in Slandaar's list of bad lynches.

Hung up over a d1 read? This has got to be the weirdest defense ever.

My D1 reads are usually my best reads (def. not this game, but etc).

Cooldog, why do you support a Trollie lynch?

BB, who would YOU prefer to lynch?

Goes for the easy lynches with no justification, very little content all game long.

Trollie's level of content skyrocketed on Day 2. Why did you still "vig" him?

I vigged trolle last night. I am a one-shot vig

More tomorrow.

That's interesting...Why did you kill Trollie?

Read the game thread. I have basically had him at #1 or near that the entire game.

Why the shifty face?

ohh mastin, mastin. I'm half tempted not to read your posts because they reek of a mad man's ravings. I killed trolle becuase I thought he was scum. Crucify me for acting on a read if you wish...

Appeal to emotion. I'm now almost sure that mastin and Cooldog are not buddies. But at least one of them is scum, of this I am sure. Now just to find out which one it is.

Isn't it convenient how Cooldog's and mastin's claims reinforce each other's SO CONVENIENTLY?

It seems like it is over qualified to me. Only being able to stop one kill is a dead give-a-way for a vig. If the mod has that in his role PM he is truly a shit mod. I refuse to believe we have a shit mod

I really don't know how to read the last sentence of this statement... or how to respond, either.

vote: mastin

My PM mentions specifically that my shot can only protect from one kill.

^this is bullshit.

I think I've seen it before but not here at MS. Has anyone else seen it?

I agree it's suspicious. I'm really wary that there's some bussing going on but your last few posts have just been ridiculously anti- you/mastin.

Good point on the CoolDog AP vig claim stuff.

CoolDog?

This is going to sound like bullshit okay, but brace yourselves.
Number 1: I haven't read the end of d2 yet in much detail at all.
Number 2: I honestly did not see a vig softclaim.
Yes, that sounds like bullshit, but it is the truth.

This statement in and of itself convinces me. Mostly because I am in the exact same situation against Mastin. His reasons that I am scum are airtight compared to my reasons that I am not.

I am ready to lynch mastin.

Vote: mastin

Basically let's lynch trolle now.

He thought trollie was scum whats not to understand here

Thank you... for stating what everybody should have already known.

It WAS pretty riduculous you have to admit. If you ARE a vig (which I now mostly believe due to the dichotomy of you/mastin as opposed to your unity) then it was a terrible shot to take. But it makes sense if you weren't paying attention.

And the way you responded sounded genuine.

UN you really think Mastin and CooLDog could coordinate this shit during the start of this day.

To be fair, we could have coordinated this over the night.

And admitting this only makes me more sure.

On the no lynch: The no lynch would lower the lynch pool by one. I'm not really sure how much that would help. I really don't care if we no lynch today or not, as long as mastin gets it for his fake claim.

I would much prefer a mastin lynch of course. Killing off a townie would do nothing but help scum because of course they are going to kill off the townie that's most useful to town and most hindering of their own ends.

@mastin....I haven't poured through your walls today yet. The fact CoolDog claimed his action before you is actually a point in his favor and sets up the possibility of you fakeclaiming doc on the heels of his claim.

This makes so much sense now that it hurts to look at earlier today when I thought they were together.

Ok town. Seriously. AP basically claimed he was targeting UN tonight. AP died. UN is scum. The End.

Do you understand how stupid this is? This is mega, mega wifom sense AP was a hider. There are sooo many differnt possiblites as to what could happen.

This.

mastin/Axxle is beginning to make a little more sense. mastin is great at bussing/distancing. And I know Axxle is far from stupid.

@UN, okay, we can lynch me tomorrow and lose the game, but could we lynch mastin today so this game is a 100% failure on my part? I would feel really bad loosing two perfect scum wins in a row... I really need to work on my town play.

What? No.

You're town and we're not lynching you.

Mastin needs death.

[UberNinja]

tl;dr Cooldog is town mastin is scum

[UberNinja]

cool story bro, but Cooldog just basically confirmed you as scum (and so did __________)

[UberNinja]

I can't explain that obviously. But I know I'm town so etc.

On the other hand, now that you've reminded me of that post...

AP, are you claiming Vig? If so I'm dropping you from my to lynch list so you can prove you are one.

Lol

I still feel like UN is acting like his town self.

Lol

I have extreme suspicion on anyone who calls RM town. There is no reason other than being on the scumteam to have that much confidence. (Trollie comes to mind) This is the only thing that gives me pause to the RM wagon.

Lol

[UberNinja]

Actually if I haven't mentioned it before mastin/Axxle seems particularly more likely given mastin's bussing abilities

[UberNinja]

You won't want to miss it.

Redtail, thoughts? You said you wanted to see what Cooldog said before you "jump on that" ... well, now he's responded. And so have I. lol

[UberNinja]

So... where the hell is everybody?

[UberNinja]

So... where the hell is everybody

whose name is not mastin

?

FTFM

[UberNinja]

Hey Matt. I'm voting mastin too, obviously.

[UberNinja]

Hey guys.

Great idea.

Vote mastin.

He's scum.

[UberNinja]

Great.

So, here's where we are:

1. Axxle

2. BBmolla

3. CooLDoG

5. havingfitz

6. mastin2

7. redtail896

11. UberNinja

13. Kimor

Or in order of town-to-scum:

11. UberNinja

3. CooLDoG / 5. havingfitz

7. redtail896

13. Kimor

2. BBmolla

1. Axxle

6. mastin2

By PoE, it is probably BBmolla who is the third scum. Due to his overall level of lethargic/apathetic play, and because his gambit day 1 was probably double purpose: to either get a doc to counter-claim, or to have an excuse for not being nightkilled (because everyone assumes it was a gambit and thus scum wouldn't kill him obviously).

It maaaay be Kimor seeing as he was on Trollie's scum list as well and has continually been ignored by mastin in his walls, whereas mastin was on Pine like white on rice, when he was lurking. After he started posting content mastin began to largely ignore the slot with the exception of putting him into scum lists just because Trollie did. And today he's been ignoring him almost entirely.


Now where the fuck are you guys?

This thread should be blowing up

[UberNinja]

Why redtail?

[UberNinja]

Hold on, let me quote everything you and Cooldog just said and put my replies inline in the quotes...

But I'll write in

LARGE PURPLE TEXT

so that everybody can differentiate...

HAHA

[UberNinja]

Oh, I read it. I just decided to poke fun at the new trend I see developing.

Those posts are both good, but you should both feel bad about making them.

[UberNinja]

"I read it" should have been "I'll read it" which is now "I've read it"

Fucking A. I should have picked apart mastin's walls long ago. They are full of contradictions.

[UberNinja]

This is one of the main reasons when BBM claimed VTown, that I dropped my case against him;

if he were scum, I'd have expected a doctor claim or something of similar nature.

I find your words above in bold (by me) ironic and potentially prophectic.

I can't believe I didn't see this part

myself

, in my mastin re-read (which was torture btw).

This quote alone proves that mastin's claim is fake.

LYNCH THE BASTARD

[UberNinja]

tl;dr

[UberNinja]

Your claim is obviously fake. None of your actions make sense as town. All of your actions make sense as scum. You're scum.

[UberNinja]

Stop weeding and vote.

And you spelled "fucking" wrong too.

[UberNinja]

It matters not who the third scum is.

But if you're

not

his buddy, then why the hold up?

[UberNinja]

I haven't read much of your interactions with mastin, btw

That was mostly me spitballing who the last scum might be purely by independent tells and PoE, obviously

[UberNinja]

I haven't read much your interactions with mastin, btw

That was mostly me spitballing who the last scum might be purely by independent tells and PoE, obviously

[UberNinja]

Hmmm. Why mastin? Why not me, after RM flipped town?

[UberNinja]

And why didn't you claim right away? If you're only one-shot it wouldn't matter to you.

That seems like a scum fakeclaim to me to try to pull a buddy out of the fire.

[UberNinja]

Actually, this makes perfect sense as a scum fakeclaim.

1. Claims to have targeted mastin (who agreed with Trollie on just about everything) instead of me (who pushed the RM lynch), or one of Kimor/havingfitz (who Trollie suspected heavily before his death) or even Trollie himself.

2. Has the earmarks of a fakeclaim such as a disclaimer like "I didn't want to reveal this until I had to..." which shows that he is trying to add something on to it to make it appear like he's a reluctant power role, which is BULLSHIT because as a 1-shot PR he wouldn't care about staying alive or being sneaky. If he was town he would have claimed right away, confirming both himself and his target.

3. Revealing only AFTER cooldog's, my, and havingfitz's votes on mastin is COMPLETE BULLSHIT, , and would have revealed his results right away as he would now effectively be a VT. And he should have (and WOULD have) claimed much earlier, thereby avoiding so much "useless" discussion.

It all makes perfect sense. Axxle is trying a last ditch attempt to pull mastin out of the fire

Probably because mastin is the only thing holding their team together at this point.

Also, I know for a fact that Axxle knows how to use night actions well, because of our last game together when he vigged 2 scum in a row.

[UberNinja]

UN brings up some

very

good points, Axxle. Mind answering them?
(Surprised? Shouldn't be. Axxle's suspect #4. He's been town to me, but still in the suspect pool, and I'm not a fan of the claim.)

and what the fuck is this distancing bullshit?!?!

BLOOOOOD for the blood gods!

[UberNinja]

I probably sounds like a fucking mad scientist conspiracy theorist rofl


But seriously, death death death death death death death death ... etc

[UberNinja]

Though I will point out to UN:
-If Axxle is town, then his result on me means I'm town.
-If I am scum, Axxle would therefore have to be scum.
-However, if Axxle is scum, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm scum.

Basically, there are three possible scenarios:
Axxle's town, and I'm town.
Axxle's scum, and I'm scum.
Axxle's scum, and I'm town.

So in 2/3 scenarios, if you doubt Axxle, the correct move is not to vote me, but him. In only 1/3 scenarios am I a good lynch, whereas in 2/3, Axxle is.

I'm waiting on Axxle's answers before I make my judgment.

This entire post reeks of scumminess.

[UberNinja]

Also I was hoping we lynch UN today and I could reveal my info tomorrow since if I did so today mastin would be more likely targeted for the nightkill.

If I was to flip scum then mastin would be almost confirmed town anyway (via me/mastin interactions plus Trollie) so this train of thought makes no sense as town.

[UberNinja]

Pssh, you were even getting supposedly vigged yesterday UN, why would I waste my shot?

So why

mastin

? Why not the other two of Trollie's/mastin's suspects, havingfitz? or

Kimor???

It makes no sense and it reeks of last-resort scum trying to save a buddy.

Explain to me why in hell I should believe you. And then explain who could possibly be scum if not me, not you, and not mastin. Redtail would have to be scum then. Havingfitz would have to be scum then. Kimor I have less trouble believing, but the other two? No. And COOLDOG? He's fucking town and that's a guarantee.

It makes no fucking sense.

The only thing that makes sense is you/mastin/buddy

Which means we are definitely in LYLO because there is no way you would double for nothing with only 2 on your scum team unless A) you know something we don't about extra kills or roles or some such, or B) you think there is a serial killer that you have on a leash via double kill on Slandaar night 1, two separate kills night 2 (trollie and AP) and AP actually DID hide behind me (which is legitimately possible) and died anyway because serial killer, and then you and mastin have either rolecopped him and/or roleblocked him or something, i don't fucking know.

The point is... a 3 man scum team makes way more sense. No way a 2-man scum team goes double or nothing.

I want redtail and Kimor to comment on this situation. Now.

Redtail might actually be the third buddy. Me being so wrong about RM and Cooldog actaully gives me warm fuzzies about redtail being the possible 3rd. Also, BBmolla's answer to my suspicion was fantastic.

mastin -> Axxle -> Redtail

Make it so.

[UberNinja]

I am done posting until mastin or Axxle is lynched. I don't care which. I will switch to either.

[UberNinja]

UN, my point is that the only way I'm scum is if Axxle is scum as well.
Ergo, if you think I'm scum, you

must

think Axxle to be scum as well.

Uh, yeah.

[UberNinja]

What will no-lynching accomplish other than dragging out the inevitable?
It won't solve anything. They'll just kill whoever people suspect least, and we'll be in the exact same spot.


BB, you know me. You've met me. You may not LIKE me, but you know me. So fucking LISTEN TO ME.
READ MASTIN'S POSTS. LOOK AT WHAT HE IS SAYING. It's not town. It's just not.

And Axxle is his buddy, and is trying to pull him out of the fire.

Look at how mastin and Axxle have spoken to each other all game. Suspicion but not enough suspicion to push each other. Or if mastin voted Axxle, he pushed him much less hard than anyone else he pushed.

It's fucking obvious to me because I fucking KNOW I'm town, and the ONLY OTHER OPTION is that both mastin and Axxle are scum.

So you just have to trust me on this. There's not much else I can say or do.

[UberNinja]

Stop flooding the thread with all your wordy pretentious logical bullshit, mastin.
My vote is still on you because you're both equally scum, and there are more votes on you.

And you know that.

[UberNinja]

My vote is still on you because you're both equally scum, and there are more votes on you.

And you know that.

[UberNinja]

I've been thinking.

I've been weighing around in my head what the possibilities were if mastin and Axxle were NOT scum together.
Before you laugh at me cooldog, listen to this.

It's interesting that mastin keeps trying to push the Axxle thing. Axxle's interactions today with mastin seem less like scumbuddies than I would imagine. There is some genuine confusion going on there.
Axxle actually seems genuinely confused as to why mastin keeps pushing him as scum. Either that's because he's a buddy and he's wondering why mastin is stirring shit up about him being possibly scum with a town-result on town-mastin (which really makes absolutely no sense), or he's actually town and confused as to why mastin is throwing dirt on the guy who just "cleared" him.

And then of course, mastin ... We all know that mastin is undeniably thorough... RIGHT?

...

WRONG! He's only thorough when it suits his purposes.
There have been numerous examples of this.

So here's what I was thinking.

Maybe Axxle isn't scum after all. Maybe he IS town, and mastin is a Godfather.

It struck me as odd that I automatically assumed town/town or scum/scum on them, but mastin KEPT pushing the Axxlescum/mastintown theory. It struck me as VERY odd.

Mastin being a Godfather would explain why he wants to a) claim credit over and over that "if you believe Axxle is town, you MUST believe I'm town!" and b) continues to insist that "Axxle's not necessarily town! Vote for HIM, instead!"

Mastin being a Godfather would also explain why he's been soooo incredibly verbose, but never quite worried about looking town as he pushed the Day 1 mislynch. Most scum players (and indeed, most town players too) are wary of Day 1 mislynches because if they push them toooo hard, they might end up lynched themselves on Day 2.

OR AT LEAST THEY'LL DRAW AN INVESTIGATION

I think this was mastin's plan all along.

1. Get an obv mislynch on Day 1 (on a new, new player), and
2. Be as omnipresent and in-your-face as possible while pushing the mislynch, thereby
3. Drawing the investigation on Night 1, which would show him as town.
4. Ride that town result like a fucking surfboard until sweet sweet victoryyyyyyy (insert triumphant music here)

BUT!

There were a few hitches in his plan, such as them accidentally killing the cop night 1

HOWEVER,

as soon as Axxle claimed, he brushed the dust right off his plan, and pushed it like a fuckin champ and is probably now trying to get Axxle lynched!



At least, that's my theory.

I don't want to lynch Axxle any more. Just mastin.

[UberNinja]

UN why not no lynch I don't understand.

Because we wouldn't gain anything from it. One less active townie's voice would be here (because they wouldn't kill a lurker townie obv), and it'd probably be Cooldog or havingfitz because I am under more suspicion.

And then tomorrow, quickhammering an incorrect vote is all the easier for them because it's 4:3 instead of 5:3, and it takes less votes to lynch. Instead of having to get 2 townies to vote "wrong", all they need is one errant vote and bam, 1-2-3 quick hammer.

So we're not no-lynching today because that's fucking epically retarded

Also... we need more Kimor and redtail in here. It's MYLO FFS.

QFT

However, the fact remains that axxle didn't claim like/when a townie would claim...

Bottom line, we lynch mastin today.

QFT

[UberNinja]

If you were town, then why the hell would Axxle-scum clear you, when there were 3 votes on you?

LOLNO. He would have claimed a scum result for an easy win.

You keep trying to obfuscate facts with walls of text, but it's not working. You're caught scum and flailing.

[UberNinja]

I'm in favor of a massclaim as well. It's the logical step here. My role is...





*drumroll*





VT!

Unfortunately not as glorious as I'd hoped to make people think. i.e. I have no role related info on anyone. But I was hoping to make somebody slip up.

Kimor or havingfitz next. Redtail last, imo.

Unless I missed where one of y'all already claimed that is

[UberNinja]

Uhhhh did you not read

UN why not no lynch I don't understand.

Because we wouldn't gain anything from it. One less active townie's voice would be here (because they wouldn't kill a lurker townie obv), and it'd probably be Cooldog or havingfitz because I am under more suspicion.

And then tomorrow, quickhammering an incorrect vote is all the easier for them because it's 4:3 instead of 5:3, and it takes less votes to lynch. Instead of having to get 2 townies to vote "wrong", all they need is one errant vote and bam, 1-2-3 quick hammer.

So we're not no-lynching today because that's fucking epically retarded

[UberNinja]

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[UberNinja]

I am literally that annoyed. I figured if I became annoying as well, others might get as mad as I am.

[UberNinja]

Okay, here's another look at things:

We all know that if we don't lynch mastin today we are screwed. If we no lynch, scum get to pick and choose who to kill to try to manipulate us into changing our reads away from mastin.
And then one errant vote tomorrow means they can 1-2-3 quick hammer. I don't really trust anyone in this game not to make that mistake. Including myself. (Unless people intend to lynch mastin after a no lynch ANYWAY, then why not just go ahead and get it done now while we still have an extra townie?) No-lynching makes absolutely no sense in ANY case.

Axxle, if you're town. Vote mastin. I swear to you that he's scum. If you're scum w/him then vote him anyway because I will kill you.
BBmolla, you're probably town. And you know I'm town too. So vote mastin. I have been wrong before but I am not wrong now.
Redtail, you seem like you are ready to believe in mastin-scum due to my amazing persuasion skills and general handsomeness. Do it.
Kimor, you're probably the last scumbuddy which is why you're lurking and why mastin is trying to distance from you by calling you out for it.
mastin, vote yourself. You know you want to. Your time here is over and you're just annoyingly prolonging the inevitable.
Smart and pretty much conftown people (aka me, fitz, cooldog): Keep being good looking and awesome.

Also, here's

another

way of looking at things:

There are three votes on mastin. That either means TWO scum are voting him, or that mastin's scum and his buddies refuse to bus.

Why two? Because if there were three non-mastin scum, they would have hopped on the wagon and hammered already.
And it's really, really, REALLY unlikely that either cooldog or fitz are scum, LET ALONE both of them.

Ergo, mastin MUST be scum. That's the

only

other explanation.

[UberNinja]

You're either a fucking retard or you're scum with mastin.

[UberNinja]

I'm scum with Axxle.

Fixed. If you think Mastin is scum, you'd be voting for Axxle. Therefore, there is a discrepancy in your motivation. That generally indicates scum.

Have you fucking

read my posts?

Apparently not.
Which means you're either scum or stupid.


I apologize for my earlier comment though, that was out of line.

[UberNinja]

Well you make it sound worse than it is but yeah, I was pretty sure it's clear that UN is scum. I still think it's pretty clear.

Letting scum know what power roles there are without needing them to is worse for the town regardless of state. Hindsight I probably should have claimed then, but that's hindsight.

Well, I'm town, and I highly highly HIGHLY doubt that it's possible that me and mastin are both town and just both being complete idiots right now.

Which do you think is more likely, that you're lying, or that mastin is a godfather?

[UberNinja]

Why don't you answer the fucking question, Axxle.

[UberNinja]

"Based on my count this should not be a hammer"

???

[UberNinja]

This game is boring the fuck out of me and I am going into lurk mode

[UberNinja]

BBmolla states it makes sense that mastin scum has been leading him. I don't even want to try and find this needle in
the haystack but if BB recognizes it I would ask why he keeps pushing a no-lynch?

The concept of UN being scum tricking the shit out of me is too frightening atm.

Lol that's not happening. I'm not as good as you make me sound... you apparently don't remember SoL.
And besides, I didn't trick you in Newbie 1201; you had me pegged. I just had more town cred or summat

JUST FUCKING TRUST ME FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE BRANDON

[UberNinja]

Axxle the quote on that wiki page of mine is somewhat misleading. That game, he

knew

I was scum, and tried his ass off to get me lynched. In the end though, I just out-walled him and got him lynched. And I have no intention of letting mastin do the same thing.

So, what do you think the chances are that mastin's a godfather? Aside from "infinitely more likely than you lying about your results"?

[UberNinja]

@ Everyone... here are the facts:

1. Mastin pushed the FP lynch on Day 1. FP flipped town.
2. Slandaar died on Night 1. He flipped as a 1-shot cop.
3. I pushed the RobertMontana lynch. RM flipped town.
4. Trollie + mastin pushed my lynch. Trollie flipped town.
5. AngryPidgeon claimed to be a vig. He flipped Hider.
6. Cooldog claimed 1-shot vig and that he killed Trollie.
7. Mastin claimed 1-shot doc and that he docced Trollie.
8. Axxle claimed 1-shot backup (w/slandaar's cop ability) and an innocent on mastin.
9. I'm a VT, and I have absolutely no defense for things which make me look scummy.
10. For mastin to be scum, Axxle must also be scum (unless mastin is actually a GF).

Here are the facts about no-lynch

1. If we no lynch today, and there are 3 scum, it's 4:3 and one errant vote tomorrow means immediate loss.
2. If we no lynch today, and there are 2 scum, it's 5:2 and one errant vote tomorrow still means immediate loss.
3. It's 5:3 or 6:2 today, which means we are in MyLo. Tomorrow according to the above would be LyLo, today however is not.
4. If we lynch town today, it's a loss. If we lynch scum today, tomorrow will be MUCH easier (though still MyLo).

With all of that noted; I have reconsidered things. And I have come to the same conclusion.

My own opinions

:
I am not willing to vote anyone other than mastin or Axxle. They could both be of either alignment.

Axxle-town Mastin-town - Great. That would make things very simple. I would HAVE to be scum. But that's not the case here.
Axxle-scum Mastin-town- Axxle saved a townie from being lynched when he could have faked a guilty instead? .... Juuust. No.
Mastin-scum Axxle-town- Mastin is a GF and Axxle is now a VT. This is admittedly not as strong or likely as I initially believed.
Mastin-scum Axxle-scum- Everything fits. Mastin claims 1-shot. Axxle claims 1-shot, clears Mastin, and backs up his fakeclaim.

It has to be the last one.

There is

no

other possibility other than the Godfather thing.

[UberNinja]

I need to amend my claim because I lied the first time.

Spoiler:

I'm a 1-shot VT.

[UberNinja]

Kimor, hammer your scumbuddy

[UberNinja]

Unvote, vote: Mastin

Let's do this.

[UberNinja]

BB, I'm sorry

[UberNinja]

And Axxle, I feel terrible.

[UberNinja]

Well, I'm glad you don't hate me.

[UberNinja]

What the hell are you talking about, I played amazingly horribly! It's a literal miracle I wasn't lynched. lol

[UberNinja]

Damn. I can't win with you, can I?

[UberNinja]

Still don't know how I had a hider guilty on me, and I was still able to get a lynch on a claimed doctor with a cop innocent on him. That was just ... 0_0

[UberNinja]

It's pretty much that you:

1. Weren't active enough
2. Weren't convincing enough
3. Still have that defeatist attitude

[UberNinja]

It was a pleasure playing with you as well, Cooldog. <3

p-edit LOL AP </3

[UberNinja]

You should link to your two MD threads from here, Mastin.