Mini 1379 - Game Over!

[Axxle]

VOTE: Maestro

OMGUS, Making me get my only town game loss, stealing my former favorite pokemon as an avatar, take your pick.

[Axxle]

Fuck. Reread the RVS. BB claimed town. BB never claims town, he always claims self lyncher or some shit.

VOTE: BBmolla

[Axxle]

BB obviously didn't seriously claim doctor first post. He usually makes joke roleclaims really early like that in the games I've played. However they're usually really implausible claims so this one throws me for a loop. BB hasn't done anything to indicate town to me so I'm fine with my vote where it is.

Fitz's play reminds me a lot of his town play in Mini 1351 where he also got caught up on silly semantic things. He's not someone I want to keep around to LYLO, but I think he's more likely town than scum.

Rob's #99 looks pretty scummy to me. His read on Trollie seems incredibly weak at that point, yet he mentions that he'll jump on the Trollie wagon if it starts growing, seems like hedging to make sure he doesn't look scummy if/when he jumps on. I don't understand how he can have a town read on BB, but ok. His "hey guys look at this" comment on UN's comment on the "come on guys" post seems a bit scummy since he just calls it "intriguing."

While I'm fine with the BB vote, I think Rob is behaving more scummy and his wagon is going places.

VOTE: RobertMontana

[Axxle]

Axxle was making posts without content, and was also a good choice. Now he's made a good post with a good vote attached. That was after I changed my vote, but I don't give a fuck.

Well this is a lie. I had two votes near RVS and that's it, it sounds like you're just dicking around with your vote as scum.

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Robert's sheeping of BBmolla bothers me. He votes fitz with a blatant bandwagon, but later says he has a gutread on him? Sounds like backtracking a bit.

Also erring on the side of reading too much into things:

All of 3 of his votes have been delicious.

Trollie has only voted twice. Did you even reread his iso before pushing the wagon?

I also find out of context replies like in post 131 to be scummy, you're making more work for the town and obscuring your iso.

Now I very highly doubt UN and Robert are scum together, but my scumread is much higher on Robert I'm sticking with him.

[Axxle]

Venrob, TheTrollie, and Verity have been prodded.

Venrob's VLA

[Axxle]

Meant posts, not votes.

Hmm, a likely story!

Actually that does make sense.

[Axxle]

BB, what is UN doing this game that makes him scum instead of just townUN?

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@Robert, I still don't really see your case on Trollie. Why keep your vote on him and move to UN?

To answer your question: I think one of the afk players (Maestro, FancyPants, Venrob, Verity) are probably more likely to be your scumbudddy than BB or some of the more town looking players.

[Axxle]

I'll post later today but for now: Mastin reads town and wtf bb?

[Axxle]

All this lampshading shit is really fucking annoying BB. It makes you a lot harder to read. Therefore I can only assume that's what you're trying to do: make yourself hard to read. I only see that coming from scum.

Vote: BBmolla

[Axxle]

What? Fancy-Pants wagon seems to be based on "Let's see where this leads." Doesn't sound worth my time.

[Axxle]

adorkable, hydra of InflatablePie and esuriospiritus, replaces Venrob

Hahaha, I wondered if they were adorkable or someone who made a random alt. My curiosity is sated.

[Axxle]

posting since the deadlines coming up.

want to lynch:
2. BBmolla
8. RobertMontana

willing to lynch:
12. adorkablereplaces Venrob
13. Pinereplaces Verity
9. Slandaar
10. TheTrollie
3. CooLDoG
4. Fancy-Pants
7. redtail896

won't lynch:
6. mastin2replaces Maestro
11. UberNinja
5. havingfitz

@Robert: I've asked before, I'll ask again. What is the basis for your read on Trollie?

[Axxle]

I'm super burned out on mafia. Don't expect me around for another day or two.

@ mod: V/LA

deadline's in a day or two :/

[Axxle]

The BB wagon was already there before the FP wagon was...

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And the FP wagon exploded. It seems like a lot scummier wagon to me.

[Axxle]

One of them is leaning scum. But you're not willing to bus FP, are you? Near the bottom of your "willing to lynch" list, and all.

The list was not in order.

[Axxle]

It was late, I was just randomly going through isos to verify things. Copy and paste moving the list around to the sections wasn't accurate. Bunch of reasons.

[Axxle]

Rereading and looking at the arguments I'm going to have to agree with UN here. FP seems to just be timid new town trying to do things but ends up not being very vocal, feels like he doesn't know what he's doing, and thus tends to fall into sheeping. Most of his posts seem to indicate that. The U-Turn on BB was admittedly bad, but not damning enough for me considering who's on the wagon and how the wagon formed.

@Mastin: Why the hell would I organize my lynch list and then turn around and say it's not organized? Especially concerning one of the leading wagons?
Also, I usually don't have heavy reads Day 1, that's why I'm willing to lynch more than half the town.

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I don't know what else to say. I've layed down my thoughts on both wagons. I've said who I'm willing to compromise on.

I guess I'm bothered by the people on neither wagon so close to the deadline.

@Slandaar: Can you elaborate on your reads on FP and BB?

Trollie already said he's going to elaborate on FP in a bit, so waiting on that.

I assume Adorkable's post is coming soon.

@CoolDog: when you get back to us please give us reads on BB as well as me/Fancy

UN's already discussing things regarding the wagons.

Fuck you mastin. Some people take a while to post. I'm at work so I can only look at the website every so often during downtime.

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Yeah, more than a bit frustrated. Reposting:

I don't know what else to say. I've layed down my thoughts on both wagons. I've said who I'm willing to compromise on.

I guess I'm bothered by the people on neither wagon so close to the deadline.

@Slandaar: Can you elaborate on your reads on FP and BB?

Trollie already said he's going to elaborate on FP in a bit, so waiting on that.

I assume Adorkable's post is coming soon.

@CoolDog: when you get back to us please give us reads on BB as well as me/Fancy

UN's already discussing things regarding the wagons.

[Axxle]

I never left here. I don't know how the site thing works but it's wrong. I never logged out.

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@Slandaar: Can you elaborate on your reads on FP and BB?

[Axxle]

He softclaimed in the same way in post 356 too:

I could just claim, it'd most certainly stop my wagon.

[Axxle]

VOTE: Fancy-Pants

Better than a no lynch and I won't be around before deadline.

[Axxle]

Forgot to mention I put FP at L-1.

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Do you always answer questions with a question?

[Axxle]

I would have thought scum-mastin would have stuck hard to his guns and pushed for the BB lynch he set up yesterday.

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UN, you might be right.

VOTE: BBMolla.
Wagon him, Trollie; apply pressure. We'll deal with Robert later, after we get answers.

BBM, I suspended my policy of "hardclaim or die" because I gave you the benefit of the doubt, due to a townread. No more. You're not going to get away without fullclaiming

NOW

.
UN knows

precisely

why softclaims are anti-town and will back me up, with the only difference being he thinks you're scum.

Redtail: Entertaining it, though my thought

was

one of/both of Pine/adorkable being scum, and RM/UN being the final member.

Mastin seems to have nailed the scumteam... yet votes for someone off it.

I'll reread more later. I'm deciding whether mastin-scum or redtail's theory of UN-RM being scum v scum is more plausible. I remember thinking the RM-UN fight was genuine while it was happening though.

[Axxle]

I do not see Pine lurking except for the days where he lost internet

[Axxle]

Mastin: Pine has had no internet access since this:

Speaking of giving content before the lynch...
Pine, notice how I didn't remove your name from Axxle's list of "willing to lynch"?
Yeah, there's a reason for that. Your entrance was strong, but you've been coasting ever since then, and are defending FP. You dropped from near the top of my townlist to null, because you've also done nothing, except for your early BBM attacks. Step it up, or you're dead.

What changed to move him from null to scum?

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Bah. Just lost what I had on my case. Was up to 228. Will point out possible scumslip, though:

To answer your question: I think one of the afk players (Maestro, FancyPants, Venrob, Verity) are probably more likely to be your scumbudddy than BB or some of the more town looking players.

"

one

of the afk players likely to be your

scumbuddy

."

So where's the third?
RM's scum, great. An afk player (singular, not plural) is a scumbuddy to RM, great. But he specifically says it's only one scumbuddy afk, and yet, says the other isn't BBM or any of the "more town looking players".

Wow. You're really struggling to pin something on me aren't you. You don't think if I was scum I'd intuitively know exactly how many mafia there was? To be clear: I've played games on the smaller side on this site so I'm used to there only being 2 scum (outside of Great Idea and SoL Invitational). Why don't you give context for the quote? You don't even link it (post 163). In any case, I'm not going to magically find a scumteam of 3 that early in the game.

I think I'm about ready to do this:

VOTE: mastin2

I'm thinking a BB/mastin/RM team.

PEdit: I see mastin's put out a bigger case on me. I'll respond to it later.

[Axxle]

(since I have to get back to work)

[Axxle]

Disclaimer: I have not caught up since my last post, and don't plan to till tonight.

-Suspects disappear from Axxle's radar when convenient. Examples: 132, UN, suspect, but less than RM. 159 and following, UN no longer "scummy, but not scum with RM", and is somehow upgraded to town.

I asked BBM this question because he *always* votes for and suspects UN. I'm trying to get him to explain his vote so I can determine whether he thinks UN is more scum than normal or not.

BBM, pre-163 is a suspect, but in 163, is not likely scum with RM.

... so?

-Leaves doors to backtrack through.

If by this you mean I don't have strong reads Day 1, you're right. I do this all the time as town.

-And uses them, backtracking. 347 and 350 come to mind, in regards to his 331. Also, see section on sheeping.

This was true, not backtracking.

-Related, Undevoted to reads and lacking certainty.

I do this all the time as town.

-Also, not voting for thinking people are scum. Example--260, Axxle votes BBM not for being scum, but for being "confusing" and "hard to read".

I also say that "I only see that coming from scum." In that same fucking post. Stop blatantly lying in your case against me.

-And related, saying he's thinking someone looks like scum, but having words following which suggest that suspicion doesn't exist. As just one example, see 483. "Mastin may be scum", followed by him looking into the validity of my scumteam theory? The two contradict each other.

The fuck? I never say "Mastin may be scum", don't fucking quote it. It's a valid paraphrase though. I fail to see how I'm contradicting myself here.

-Blatant sheeping. The infamous 228 is the best. Everyone said I was town, so stating it wasn't necessary. Reaction to BBM came a page late, and everyone had already said it; the "wtf BB" is extremely forced.

Yeah, that was a bad post. I had those thoughts immediately after BB's post 217, but I wanted to flesh things out. I didn't have enough time and ended up posting that instead.

Then, there's the heavy buddying up to UN,

who was once on his suspect list

. (132, in suspect list. Buddying...) 369, sheeping. 394, letting UN do the work. But worst, 483, backtracking on 480 where he says I'm not scum, in order to buddy UN.

besides that vote explanation, UN has been reading town to me.
369 wasn't really sheeping, I came up with a ideas in that post that UN didn't mention.
I don't see anything in 394 that's "Letting UN do the work"
UN brought up a good point in 482, and I decided I shouldn't dismiss it.

-Heavy defense of Trollie.

I never defend Trollie, all I do is I ask time and time again for a good case on him from Robert and get absolutely nothing.

-Defense of Pine.

You say he's lurking, I disagreed, that's the extent of it.
Now I agree he's lurking. He hasn't posted since his apology.

-Shows concern for his life at multiple times.

Sure.

-General lack of original content. Most of his words are generic, general and highly-unoriginal accusations. He lets others do his work for him, rather than contributing his voice. He's been largely coasting by, with minimalistic posts that contribute very little to scumhunting. He's been blending into the crowd, rather than sticking out and planting a firm foot down.

It is true that I haven't been very active this game and do not have strong reads on anyone.



While you have some valid points against me, a lot of what you say is just false crap filler, something I suspect someone with a strong wallpost meta like you would do as scum.

[Axxle]

Why Slandaar? Why not me?

Looooool. I can think of one good reason.

What? Fancy-Pants wagon seems to be based on "Let's see where this leads." Doesn't sound worth my time.

Axxle: don't know if you remember, but when you posted this did you think the FP wagon would succeed?

I remember that now. At that point I thought the wagon was going to just fall apart before it got as far as it did since it had very little basis.

Mastin, it's easier to address things directly to the person saying them. The rest of the town can see what I'm saying in either case.

@BBMolla: yesterday you implied that you were a PR hardcore. Why drop the act now? If you wanted to draw the NK, wouldn't it be best to claim a PR?


I think the case on Pine is crap (clearly site flaking, not just this game).

I think the case on me is crap. You come up with these "tells" that are clearly not tells.

Mastin is pushing these lynches that seem good on the surface, but when you go into them they're bad. His refusal to back down even when presented with the reasons why read scum to me. BBMolla's blatant sheeping of mastin the entire game also reads scum to me. I'd be fine with either lynch but would prefer mastin who insists on spreading disinformation.

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I don't see why mastin keeps insisting that scum killed Slandaar because of his reads. He wasn't pushing his reads at all so killing him would just bring more attention to them.

did some mastin work. like to wait for more action from these other peeps before i really dig in...robert...u got any leads? reads?

Where did your mastin work go?

Vote: RM

RM today and mastin tomorrow then?

[Axxle]

UNVOTE:

[Axxle]

AngryPidgeon just drastically changed gears. He goes from yelling at people to let him catch up:

Seriously requesting that you guys let me catch up. Only on P7, I really want to get through this all before the end of Day. I'll be done before I go to sleep tonight.

To yelling at BB to get on the Trollie wagon.

Im on P8. >.>

up to P10

Seriously BB, get on this wagon. And when he flips scum you can award me MVP #2.

In a matter of hours. No way he's caught up to now. It reads as hyper aggressive scum trying a last ditch effort to save his RM scumbuddy.

VOTE: RobertMontana

Back to L-1. I would also be willing to lynch AP.

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I explicitly said the only reason I wasn't on RM was that he was at L-1, and if I got the chance, I'd be on the wagon.

I unvoted him a while back, why didn't you vote for him then?

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AP: we're all thinking it, Trollie's just saying it.

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I've seen that come from town and scum somewhat equally.

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AP, you realize RM is lynched already right? And he hasn't posted *anything* since his lynch to help us tomorrow. Which really indicates we got the right guy.

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Also:

I explicitly said the only reason I wasn't on RM was that he was at L-1, and if I got the chance, I'd be on the wagon.

I unvoted him a while back, why didn't you vote for him then?

Because I forgot who you were voting

, and was too wrapped up in other things to check. In fact, it was your vote on him where you said you were bringing him back to L-1 which made me think, "Wait, wasn't he already at L-1?", and I thought (until I checked) that YOU had hammered him.

This explains his "lie". I'm not entirely sure I buy it at the moment, but the fact you're ignoring it seems scummy to me.

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I've just been milling about since I thought RM was hammered for some reason...

UN: You are being ABSOLUTELY contradictory in what you think mastin did.

MASTIN VOTED ROBERTMONTANA BUT HIS POST WAS THREE MINUTES AFTER MINE SO IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN A NINJA

SO EITHER HE WANTED IT TO LOOK LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO HAMMER ROBERTMONTANA (FOR "CRED") OR HE WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO UNVOTE SO HE COULD VOTE ROBERTMONTANA WITHOUT BEING THE HAMMER

WE ARE VOTING MASTIN. TROLLIE IS ALSO ACCEPTABLE.

HIS SCUM MOTIVATION IS THAT HE STARTED FLAILING AFTER UN CALLED HIM OUT ON TRYING TO QUICK HAMMER ROBERT.

THIS

Explain.

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Yes Mastin, Im not allowed to change my reads after Kimor makes back-to-back bullshit posts. Factor in the fact that my initial 'scumread' was a pre-admitted PoE read.

And Kimor is scum for tryingto link us together. And for saying that his scum read on you is waning because of my case on you.

what do you think of mastin's push on Pine, the guy Kimor replaced?

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AP, are you claiming Vig? If so I'm dropping you from my to lynch list so you can prove you are one.

Kimor hasn't pinged my radar at all, what exactly is the case on him? The thread is a bit too long for me to go back.

I would like to see RM lynched. I think there's a very good chance he's scum, and I don't trust him in LYLO tomorrow if he's town (Assuming 4 mafia)

I still feel like UN is acting like his town self.

I have extreme suspicion on anyone who calls RM town. There is no reason other than being on the scumteam to have that much confidence. (Trollie comes to mind) This is the only thing that gives me pause to the RM wagon.

[Axxle]

Was that the lynch?

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VOTE: UberNinja

I think AP was *heavily* implying he was hiding behind UN today, which explains the two deaths nicely.

[Axxle]

AP hiding behind scum: one kill
Trollie targeted: another kill

Easier to explain that then an SK who was blocked Day 1, or AP hiding behind Trollie for some weird reason.

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Of course you say you don't think that's the case UN, you're scum.

Why would have wanted Trollie dead? You come to mind.

[Axxle]

hey mastin says a lot and sounds like he knows what he's talking about, I guess I'll follow him

UNVOTE: Uberninja
VOTE: Uberninja

[Axxle]

If you believe mastin is town, which I do, then we need to explain two kills to get past the doctor.

[Axxle]

Cooldog, unvote, go back, read, then vote for UN.

[Axxle]

It seems like it is over qualified to me. Only being able to stop one kill is a dead give-a-way for a vig. If the mod has that in his role PM he is truly a shit mod. I refuse to believe we have a shit mod:

vote: mastin

My PM mentions specifically that my shot can only protect from one kill.

^this is bullshit.

I doubt it was phrased like that. I've seen PM's where it says "you may protect a person from a single kill during the night" without there being multiple ways to kill someone. I mean that's basically what the wiki says (targets a player at Night to protect that player

from a single kill

made during that Night).

[Axxle]

Axxle why are you defending town from town

Seems like the right thing to do.

[Axxle]

Ok town. Seriously. AP basically claimed he was targeting UN tonight. AP died. UN is scum. The End.

[Axxle]

I keep implying I'll vig UN

Targeting UN

AP, are you claiming Vig? If so I'm dropping you from my to lynch list so you can prove you are one.

Nope. But my alignment will be known sooner than later.

Planning to die.

[Axxle]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to claim:

I am a Universal Backup

I became a 1-shot cop when Slandaar died.
I investigated Mastin last night.
He is town.

[Axxle]

I targeted mastin because like I said Day 2 I didn't trust anyone claiming RM was too town to lynch. Out of those people I thought mastin was the best target since he's an asset as town and a detriment as scum.

I thought I didn't need to claim and that AP's flip along with mastin and cooldog's claims would make UN 100% scum in everyone's eyes. As the day went on and I saw that wasn't the case people started linking me with mastin so I was afraid that claiming would make things worse. There are too many votes on him now so I feel like I have to claim now.

[Axxle]

Also I was hoping we lynch UN today and I could reveal my info tomorrow since if I did so today mastin would be more likely targeted for the nightkill.

[Axxle]

Pssh, you were even getting supposedly vigged yesterday UN, why would I waste my shot?

[Axxle]

Pssh, you were even getting supposedly vigged yesterday UN, why would I waste my shot?

So why

mastin

? Why not the other two of Trollie's/mastin's suspects, havingfitz? or

Kimor???

Why would I investigate Trollie or mastin's suspects? I'm investigating mastin because he's an asset as town and a liability as scum. Trollie wasn't either. If we had no flips I probably would have pushed Trollie today.

Explain to me why in hell I should believe you. And then explain who could possibly be scum if not me, not you, and not mastin. Redtail would have to be scum then. Havingfitz would have to be scum then. Kimor I have less trouble believing, but the other two? No. And COOLDOG? He's fucking town and that's a guarantee.

It makes no fucking sense.

The only thing that makes sense is you/mastin/buddy

You're scum. I don't have to explain any of this to you.

Which means we are definitely in LYLO because there is no way you would double for nothing with only 2 on your scum team unless A) you know something we don't about extra kills or roles or some such, or B) you think there is a serial killer that you have on a leash via double kill on Slandaar night 1, two separate kills night 2 (trollie and AP) and AP actually DID hide behind me (which is legitimately possible) and died anyway because serial killer, and then you and mastin have either rolecopped him and/or roleblocked him or something, i don't fucking know.

If I was scum and we were in LYLO I'd just push the No Lynch and we'd win.

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mastin, why would I try to save you as scum? We're in MYLO.

[Axxle]

And these posts don't exactly sound like cop-investigated innocents.

hey mastin says a lot and sounds like he knows what he's talking about, I guess I'll follow him
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If you believe mastin is town, which I do, then we need to explain two kills to get past the doctor.
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Seems like the right thing to do.

I need to think this through.

I thought I being pretty clear I had an innocent on you since my read on you changed so drastically since Day 2.

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You're scum. I don't have to explain any of this to you.

But I'm not, and I want UN's questions answered.

What questions? These ones?

Explain to me why in hell I should believe you. And then explain who could possibly be scum if not me, not you, and not mastin. Redtail would have to be scum then. Havingfitz would have to be scum then. Kimor I have less trouble believing, but the other two? No. And COOLDOG? He's fucking town and that's a guarantee.

It makes no fucking sense.

The only thing that makes sense is you/mastin/buddy


You're scum. I don't have to explain any of this to you.

He's asking who he should believe is scum. I can't give him a 3 person scumteam with him out of it because he's scum himself. It's a nonsense question.

If you're asking who his buddies are I'd say two of BBMolla, havingfitz, and Kimor.

[Axxle]

I am not counter-claiming anything. I have my own claim which will be glorious when I give it. Which will be last.

Can we get this?

[Axxle]

I thought I didn't need to claim and that AP's flip along with mastin and cooldog's claims would make UN 100% scum in everyone's eyes.

^

I also didn't want to give scum a better idea of what power roles were out there.

[Axxle]

Well you make it sound worse than it is but yeah, I was pretty sure it's clear that UN is scum. I still think it's pretty clear.

Letting scum know what power roles there are without needing them to is worse for the town regardless of state. Hindsight I probably should have claimed then, but that's hindsight.

[Axxle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

[Axxle]

I'll entertain you:

From my perspective it's infinitely more likely that mastin is godfather than I'm lying because I know I'm not lying.

From your perspective, if you're town, it's much more likely that I'm lying than mastin being a godfather. Therefore you should be pushing my lynch and not mastin's. mastin's logic is good.

[Axxle]

Everyone: Who do you think AP hid behind yesterday. Why?

[Axxle]

NO I DO NOT.

[Axxle]

UN gave me a false decision to make, neither of which I believe, but I decided to entertain it anyway.

[Axxle]

It's like if I asked you:

Kimor: Do you think it's more likely that you're scum, or I'm town?

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Which do you think is more likely, that you're lying, or that mastin is a godfather?

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Axxle: You think that Mastin is a Godfather? That is ENTIRELY incompatible with your position within this game, if you are approaching it from a town perspective.

Vote: Axxle

Based on my count, this should NOT be a hammer.

In fact, it appears to be the only vote on me. Don't scare me like that.

Just to reiterate: Who do you think AP hid behind yesterday. Why?

[Axxle]

@BB: It's happened before:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... e_New_Year

[Axxle]

mastin and Axxle are scum. I'll worry about #3 if I get the chance to.

If that's the case then we only have a one shot hider and one shot cop.

[Axxle]

mastin and Axxle are scum. I'll worry about #3 if I get the chance to.

If that's the case then we only have a one shot hider and one shot cop.

Oh, and one shot vig.

[Axxle]

He's mentioned this plenty of times Kimor, why are you just pointing it out now? He has a personal QT to sort his thoughts.

[Axxle]

If both mastin and I are scum then where is the town power in this game? it's practically nonexistent. We have a one shot cop, a one shot hider, and a one shot vig. The vig is only as useful as it's user, and one shot hider is really close to a weak one shot cop.

[Axxle]

AP hid behind UN, he breadcrumbs that time and time and time again, just read his iso. Tell me where he hints hiding behind anyone else at all?

@Trollie, I pretty much don't see a scenario where I don't vig UN (barring his lynch I guess).

[Axxle]

Scum had day chat? I'm really surprised none of them claimed a power role.

Also:

[Axxle]

MattP, the one critique is that I wish there were a bit more vote counts. Even if the votes don't change, having one every few pages it makes it easier to keep track of things.
Or maybe the next step for me is to keep notes on what's happening.

[Axxle]

And Axxle, I feel terrible.

No apologies, you played incredibly well especially after AP threw that guilty on you.

Some of the town though

My early town play left something to be desired as well. I think I had fitz and UN as obvtown on day one, and was fighting the Pine lynch for a long time.