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Gorgon wrote:I am usually pretty careful about rules, but if this slipup makes me townish I'm not going to beat myself up over it.
In post 127, Nobody Special wrote:In post 126, TheConman17 wrote:It's just ikariam plays a little different where it is all spam and second day it gets down to buisness
Then go play there and stop trying to change the way we play here. If we wanted to play that way, we'd go there.
Seriously, if you don't like it here, just replace out.
havingfitz wrote:@StKerrigan. What did I mean by "failing scum?" Well...first off, I meant to say "flailing scum"...not "failing scum"...but they are basically the same. I meant the same thing I assume qwint and aceofspades meant when they refererred to Conman as "flailing scum." What do I mean by it? I think he's flailing scum. Look at his ISO. Are you interested in why qwint and aceofspades used that description or just me? If not...why? If yes...why haven't you queried them on it?
Gorgon wrote:Did I miss something, or is there no stated reason for that vote?
In post 461, Nobody Special wrote:If Conman does indeed flip scum, I'd be pretty convinced that SK just bussed the hell out of him.
In post 461, Nobody Special wrote:If Conman does indeed flip scum, I'd be pretty convinced that SK just bussed the hell out of him.
In post 568, Nobody Special wrote:I no longer think SK was bussing Conman. I am certain that SK is town at this point.
In post 646, d3x wrote:I'll respond in full tonight, but for the nonce...
Either Slandaar or myself needs to die Today, because I don't see either of us letting go {and if it's me, he can follow Tomorrow}.
In post 654, d3x wrote:I'm not trying to be a dick even though I know it'll sound that way, but did you read my p639? I clearly have another suspect listed there. It even has a stand-alone case against the player irrespective of my thoughts on SlandaarScum {but it also throws nice points to reinforce them as Buddies...In post 652, SaintKerrigan wrote:At the very least try to come up with someone, anyone else that is a suspect.}.
In post 655, d3x wrote:I definitely hear what you're saying with the 'it's too early' stuff, but this shit in MyLo/LyLo with both of us being Town {again, Ihighlydoubt} loses the game. At least now, it's not as finite. It'll also give the remaining Town solid reads and stances to go off of if it goes down.
In post 678, Kthxbye wrote:In post 676, Nobody Special wrote:Prod received. I just read the last 2.5 pages and 75% of it was noise.
Really, now.
I'm going to have to carefully reread SiN because I think the interactions there with Conman need to be examined.
Ignoring d3x's thoughts on slandaar/dun completely then? Ugh! Why is everyone so damned scummy?!
In post 680, Kthxbye wrote:SK: Cuz it's a solid case worth talking about maybe? Maybe if more than qwints, slandaar, and myself added their imput on it, it may work itself out? Maybe cuz we have no pressure on anyone and that case is just as good a place to start as any? Maybe because ignoring posts is scummy (at least imo it is). Also, why pop on just to say random crap (p679) and not really do anything other than say what's being done is 'noise'?
In post 706, Gorgon wrote:Wow, I missed this earlier ... it pays to reread thoroughly.
In post 553, d3x wrote:@Kthx, If you want to bring up my meta, how about bringing up my Scum meta? Have you ever known me to hardline defend a ScumBuddy like this? I pretty much always bus the hell out of them whether they are under fire or not. It sounds so much more convincing that way. If I'm not bussing them, I'm usually ignoring them. Why would I take such a hardline stance against someone who tied for the highest Wagon when I replace in and is the obv Lynch of the Day?
This is just as much WIFOM as Slandaar's defence. I really hate this sort of rhetoric as again, there's no discounting the possibility that the player simply purposely went against meta in order to be able to point out that they are going against meta.
d3x wrote:How would it have looked in your proposed scenario- absta flipped out regarding the Conman Wagon & requested replacement, his replacement would've then lurked to deadline, and Conman would've still been Lynched flipping Scum? TerribadScum, that's how. This cannot be preferable to losing a Scum Partner, can it? He'd have lined himself up for a D1 noose just as easily as Claiming Scum.
In post 699, Nobody Special wrote:This game needs more activity.
In post 712, Malakittens wrote:Still there is other reasons to think Absta is scum regardless of the replace out and those reasons are actually quite strong.
Malakittens wrote:1. He told Conman to replace out because of the self-vote.
2. Calls Conman scum in this post after replying to Kthx, but doesn't vote him.
3. This post destroys what looks like a reaction test from NS.
4. Intent to hammer here after only calling Conman scum back in an earlier post.
5. Keeps calling Conman scummy, but lack of vote is apparent.
6. States he will vote Conman for a Policy Lynch. Where did the scumread on Conman go? (Located here)
Gorgon wrote:Being pretty anal about my statistics, I'm not sure I would be ready to say right now that he's more likely scum than town (a pretty bold assertion considering the factors at hand), but I would be willing to bet that the chances of him being scum are better than random, which is enough to warrant a vote at this stage.
Anyway, as I said in my vote post his kneejerk OMGUS vote was a red flag. I read it as such because Kthxbye devotes the post that Conman was responding to mainly to complaining about lurkers (something that I myself feel is a problem in this game btw) and then votes Conman for lurking and not paying attention, and Conman responds to this by saying that Kthxbye is 'rather quick to try and take votes of [himself] and try to blame other people', where other people seems to mean just him, Conman. If this was really referring to Kthxbye's behavior in general, I'd have thought that Conman would have said something about Kthxbye earlier, which he never did. And the blaming other people part seems pretty weird in a game that's all about finding some fault with the other players (although it could be a newbie thing, but I get a bad vibe from it). Adding fuel to the kneejerk-feel fire, Conman completely ignores NS's question about the reason behind his earlier vote - as Slandaar has already pointed out.
Gorgon wrote:I only saw this after I posted my above comment. Seems like Conman is now at L-1 which I'm not comfortable with this early in the game with too little activity from too many players. Premature hammering is always something of a possibility in this scenario and I wouldn't like that one bit.
UNVOTE:
Gorgon wrote:I have no idea how to read Conman any more, btw. His bizarre antics, topped off with a self-vote, have seen to that. My gut says town right now though.
Malakittens wrote:I also notice that the defense of Conman by Meph/D3x slot looks bad, but also the defense of Conman by SiN.
Malakittens wrote:a) Force a possible cornered scum into claiming Mason and then having a real Mason counterclaim them.
Malakittens wrote:b) The fact the mason claiming now will decrease the scum need to search for the mason or any other PR to be exact. If they don't claim the scum have a harder job to do rather than an easier one.
Malakittens wrote:c) You're potentially asking for a protective role to protect a claimed Mason where it can be used elsewhere.
Singer is Nachomamma wrote:Polarization isn't a bad thing at all. The opposite of polarization is apathy, and apathy destroys town. If Conman did flip town, then Dunham wouldn't have lasted long enough to need replacement.
Malakittens wrote:As for the Mason claiming. I think we should have he/she/them possibly claim in the future, but not right now.
Right now is too soon and I think it's too early. I mean it gives town an advantage to have at least one confirmed town running around, but there are way more advantages to waiting than doing it today or even tomorrow.
Malakittens wrote:1. Frankly this question boils down to why any scum would fake-claim a role in any game. Main point is I have seen corned scum do some crazy things for extra time.
Malakittens wrote:You do realize if you read my prior posts before SiN that I made the exact same point as him, but it wasn't as subtle. So why are you saying he has a good point, but totally disregarding any points that I have said which basically is the same exact thing.
In post 795, Malakittens wrote:Saint, I never said the Mason shouldn't claim. I never said that. I said it isn't the best time to do it now, but claim in a day or so. Which is basically what SiN said after me. I gave my reasons all of which is basically what SiN said, but not straightforward as he said it. I really hate when players give benefit to one for saying the same thing, but refuse to give the same to someone else.
In post 841, Singer is Nachomamma wrote:In post 800, SaintKerrigan wrote:I was somewhat expecting this. Something about the way you first reacted to the Mason stuff made me think it could be possible that you were the other Mason. Unless and until there's a counterclaim...
Unvote: Malakittens
This does shake up my read of the game, though. Will need to think about this.
You expected it but you kept digging at the mason business anyways...?
Why?
In post 906, Gorgon wrote:In post 894, SaintKerrigan wrote:SiN, why am I scum?
Why do you only ask about yourself? I think the mention of me and Slandaar needs some explanation as well. Especially since SiN's rofl case seems to have disappeared today.
In post 896, roflcopter wrote:In post 894, SaintKerrigan wrote:I still think both Slandaar and d3x are town.
what makes you so sure one of these two isn't an sk?