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In post 20, Revenus wrote:RVS is supposed to get us information, not to be a big joke that gets us no where.
RVS IS a big joke and the fact that you pretend like you're able to get information from it is stupid; anything gained from RVS is negligible at best. Don't be retarded.
And to director; you can call me scared, but you're wrong.
You CAN get information from it, that is the idea of RVS to get us information that we can start the game from, You pretending it's just a big joke is terrible.
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The vote isn't a joke, there is a vote there, how is that a joke?
But i find it funny you only addressed that part.
P-Edit: So being a prick is gonna help the town?
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In post 44, Josh Lyman wrote:Hush, you're dead.
He's not fully dead until the mod confirms it.
Revenus wrote:Don't tell me what to do scum.
Ok so your saying there is 2 scum teams (mafia + werewolf from the name of the game) of which one has a day vig?
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@MOD: Was Revenus actually DayVig'd in post 32
If that isn't the case (which i now highly doubt considering a VC was posted) then i think Josh has some serious explaining to do.
Read the next part
@Everyone;
In post 11, evilpacman18 wrote:First post: joke about RVS voting to avoid RVS voting
Second post: This vote is not random
Third post: Says the vote is random even though it's not random, sets up future target (probably gonna tunnel him by the end of D1) and also attack on intelligence for good measure
This post does not read town to me for the following reasons.
- Firstly, there is nothing inherently scummy about avoiding the random voting stage. There is a large segment of town players who do not see any value in the random voting stage.
- Secondly, I think Revenus's second post clearly was a random post or quasi-random post. I can understand one misreading of it, as the director may have done. However, especially after Revenus pointed out it wasn't a serious post, I think most people reading that should see it was not intended seriously. This has two consequences - firstly that actually Revenus did enter the RVS, nullifying evilpacman18's first point and third point, and secondly that the vote was not fully rational and was at least partially informed by chance, nullifying evilpacman18's second point.
- Thirdly, as town, if you think someone is setting up a future target at the start of D1, you don't shout all about it. When you think "Player X is going to target Player Y", that's a hypothesis. You find out if this hypothesis has any truth or not by testing it. You do that by waiting, and seeing if Player Xisactually targeting Player Y. What evilpacman18 has done is prevent his hypothesis from being tested at all, and put forth an assertion with no backing, in a single line.
- Fourth, although I wish it were otherwise, it's not the case that town = polite and scum = rude. There's no particular reason why Revenus insulting people necessarily makes him scum, it could just make him a rather unhelpful town player. There are rather a lot of unhelpful town players.
Firstly, Who gives a shit, that wasn't the bad part
Secondly, so he's allowed to be against random voting and then random vote? Even though he see's no point in it? I honestly don't see how it nullifys ANY of his point's other then the fact that you are willing to bypass them by any means nessecary.
Fact, clearly he is against RVing, Also Fact, He RV'd.
Call me odd but most of the time i don't do something i am against.
Thirdly, It doesn't stop something look like it is going that way.
Forthly, Being a prick doesn't make him anything but anti-town i agree, but the way he is RVing makes him seem anti town.
In post 14, the director wrote:The only random vote in RVS is the first one. Everyone else then reacts to that vote and makes a decision with some (albeit very small) amount of knowledge. You reacted to that first vote by deciding to not vote, then voted on someone who didn't jump on a quick wagon, then went on the attack.
There are elements of this I agree with and elements I disagree with. I mean, the first vote, if you look at it, wasn't actually random. Someone voted for GoldenMean because they dislike maths. They didn't throw a dice or consult an RNG, they formed a reason and moved from that reason to a vote. We call it random because the reason was irrelevant to the actual game - the reason for our vote will produce no better an outcome than random. As such, there are definitely more random votes than solely the first one. If I am the first poster and just say "I'm voting Player X because I dislike consonants", then the next poster doesn't really have that much of a relevant reason either in the sense that reason is strongly likely to produce any particular outcome. The more information we get, the less random our votes will become, but it isn't an instant process.
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His vote wasn't random but in the sense of information it was.
In post 17, evilpacman18 wrote:Also from a read of other games of yours, you're not nearly so hostile or pretentious of town. You sound like being in the informed minority is giving you a superiority complex.
I dislike this post because it isn't even true. Take a look at Newbie 1156 in ISO. This is exactly how Revenus plays as town. I don't like it. I think it's poor play for town. But that doesn't change the fact that's how Revenus plays as town.
I love how people use the meta defense, if you are gonna seriously defend people with meta prove that he doesn't do it as scum as well.
In post 31, Revenus wrote:And to piggyoff that; the director's reaction to evilpacman's claim is townish because A. it implies he went through and glanced at the games and B. came to a good conclusion.
Not really. The name of this thread implies there are two mafia teams. piggyoff could be scum, and B. would still be a useful conclusion because from his perspective lynching enemy scum actually makes the odds much better for him than lynching enemy town.
Gonna bang on a bit of theory here, Killing the enemy scum team is only actually good for either scum team if you feel the scum team is gonna kill one of you, more kills on town= game over sooner= less slips
On more general thoughts, I'd like it if people started putting slightly more elaborated reasons in their posts. I'm seeing a lot of "you've done X, therefore you are scum", without explaining why doing X necessitates that someone is scum. As for me, I'm going to put my vote on VOTE: evilpacman18 because I'd like to hear why he decided that using incomplete meta was valuable and why asserting someone is creating future targets on the basis of a single post is of any use.
OK let's turn this around, why is using Revenus's uncomplete meta valuable?
It goe's both fucking ways your using only his town meta, does he do it as scum?
If yes then this defense doesn't actually make the tell town, it makes it null, in which case he still could be very easily scum.
In post 56, JacobSavage wrote:In post 53, Revenus wrote:^ brilliant town post by hume
It's just so beautiful -sniff-
Hey what is your opinion on everything else Jacob?
Or are you gonna be a useless anti-town pain in the ass?
Xegarus wrote:In post 60, Hiraki wrote:He's saying that it's a waste because he doesn't care if it's town or scum. Either way this is a good kill.
If it was a good kill, therefore by definition it would not be a waste.
Kill the lurker is a good kill but can easily be made out to be a waste.
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In post 80, the director wrote:
- Jason wall (#63). An attack on the Hume wall, clearly an attempt to undermine the post with respect to its defense on Rev. Attacks Jacob for Providing no content and just posting anti-town fluff.
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In post 95, the director wrote:In post 94, Hiraki wrote:Because at least Jacob has given out some reads and is honest.
Please tell me you are drunk. Because that would explain why you are defending a player who has literally posted nothing of substance. In fact there is literally nothing he has posted that can be manipulated into a potential read.
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In post 128, YOLO wrote:In post 119, JacobSavage wrote:On a "serious" note, Xergus why the sheeping Jason, I agree he's town (his play here matches how I've seen him play in other games as town, See Mini 1397 (he replaced out Day 1/2 but anyway) and Micro 104 to give you some idea of what I mean.)
Did you also find games where he was mafia and played noticeably different? Because otherwise 'Jason plays like Jason' tells us absolutely nothing about his alignment.
I swear i (and a few others) just finished saying this about Revenus, are you actually reading the game?
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In post 134, evilpacman18 wrote:Jason don't be such a prostitute with your vote, it's annoying.
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In post 136, evilpacman18 wrote:I'm saying it's more effective to scumhunt without throwing your vote around every time you have the slightest suspicion.Voting so often is antitown.
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In post 144, Navarre wrote:
Jason are you voting YOLO just because he doesn't understand points that have been made? Because to me YOLO seems more towny then a lot of other players in this game.
Because anyone reading the game and actually scum-hunting would have seen the same argument like 10 posts before and not just repeated it.
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In post 139, evilpacman18 wrote:As long as your vote comes back to Revenus at some point.
Least he is one of the ones that is scum hunting and not just hiding at the back atm.
Put it like this, he may be scum, even scum can be useful to the town for now (2 scum teams means that scum have to find the other team at least)
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In post 148, Hiraki wrote:Josh wrote:I do not like this at all.
Not at all.
Navarre still needs to die nowish.
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In post 159, YOLO wrote:In post 129, JasonWazza wrote:In post 128, YOLO wrote:In post 119, JacobSavage wrote:On a "serious" note, Xergus why the sheeping Jason, I agree he's town (his play here matches how I've seen him play in other games as town, See Mini 1397 (he replaced out Day 1/2 but anyway) and Micro 104 to give you some idea of what I mean.)
Did you also find games where he was mafia and played noticeably different? Because otherwise 'Jason plays like Jason' tells us absolutely nothing about his alignment.
I swear i (and a few others) just finished saying this about Revenus
/care
The voting rationale in the last few pages really seems off. Josh, in post 73 you literally say Revenus is scum, you call for more votes on Revenus in 103, and yet you're now voting Hiraki because you don't like a certain post of his? That makes no sense. If you're as deteremined as you seemed to be that Revenus is scum, you wouldn't be swayed so easily by a single post. I'd like you to explain yourself or keep your vote consistent with your attitude.
Since i'm assuming you fucked up the name between me and Josh (which would make sense)
The simple fact is this,THERE IS MORE THEN 1 SCUM PLAYER
If you can't comprehend this GTFO.
With Revenus scum hunting he is more useful then almost half of the players in the game (you included) to the town and yes scum can be useful to the town.
In post 146, JasonWazza wrote:Put it like this, he may be scum, even scum can be useful to the town for now (2 scum teams means that scum have to find the other team at least)
No. By this logic, we shouldn't vote anyone since townies are useful to town by definition and scum can be useful for finding opposing scum. That's not going to get us anywhere. If you find scum, vote scum.
No by this logic we don't lynch people who would be useful to the town ie. Pro-town, meaning we lynch people who are playing anti-town.
You are either stupid (possible) or just trying to misrep me (highly likely)
Hiraki why did you avoid this
In post 149, JasonWazza wrote:In post 148, Hiraki wrote:Josh wrote:I do not like this at all.
Not at all.
Navarre still needs to die nowish.
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In post 176, Hiraki wrote:Because he's not?
Seriously you just avoided the question completely.
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In post 206, Hiraki wrote:Oh I misread your question--that was a my bad on my part. For some reason I keep translating it to "Why is Navarre the only people who needs to die"
Don't ask why.
Anywho.
Hiraki wrote:Vote: Navarre
for addressing nothing
Add in 3 Votes for 4 Posts, a nice OMGUS in the last post with some nonsensical logic gets you to a nice newbie scum status.
But really--that should've been obvious. Did you read his ISO?
He hasn't been all that scummy imo (that "reaction test" is scummy as hell but whatevs)
In post 219, evilpacman18 wrote:Hiraki's probably not scum, he's just stubborn. Anyway busy weekend. Catching up.
Why stubborn =/= Scum, i think he has been pretty scummy so far.
In post 231, evilpacman18 wrote:It's not EvilPamCan
This is now your nickname
In post 241, WT Snacks wrote:In post 188, Revenus wrote:WTSnacks seems content with my wagon even as he sits on his RVS vote; oh wait, that's because the only thing he's commented on is me.
You can chalk this up to confusion between hydra heads; we're kinda new at this.
Who's the hydra of? >.>
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In post 244, Hiraki wrote:
Which is why I've been watching him.Josh wrote:(that "reaction test" is scummy as hell but whatevs)
Bullshit he only just did it(btw why do you keep quoting "Josh"?)
Because that's stupid?Josh wrote:Why stubborn =/= Scum
Scum can be stubborn, and sometimes it is in there best interest to be stubborn
Even AJ has more of a right to say this. What the fuck?Josh wrote:Anyway why is Hiraki still living?
If you're making it out to the mistake I've made, and noted on, but you don't agree with my logic, you are being dumb. I'll admit I made a mistake but I eventually answered your question. It's not like it was a hard one to answer.
Also Navarre's post makes just about no sense and really sounds like a drunkard. Needs to die, now.
Your scummy, i have already noted that, Navarre seems town, noted that as well.
You saying he needs to die now isn't helpful, you've said that like at least ten times already.
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In post 272, WT Snacks wrote:This quote:
In post 232, evilpacman18 wrote:Any Revenus is doing a better job of looking like town.
Followed by 4-5 posts calling the director scum says to me that you think the director is scummier than revenus. Gauging whether or not the wagon is going anywhere reads like scum trying not to make waves.
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Not only this but he then says this
In post 271, evilpacman18 wrote:I figured I'd gauge whether or not the wagon is going anywhere. Like I said I'm not the type to vote often and don't believe votes create pressure.My vote is still on Revenus whose lynch I still wouldn't mind. If it becomes likely that director will be lynched then I'll vote him
If you think someone is actting town, why would you still be willing to lynch them.
Though i agree with the reasoning for the JS wagon i also know that in another game i played he was town andacted the sameacted as lurky looking at an ISO he looks even more scummy.
UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Jacob Savage
Xegarus wrote:Spoiler: Cause i don't want this massive wall
Everything in my post 147 was to explain my vote. And I was talking about hiraki.
I said hiraki has not commented on my vote of him, i said that me not giving a reason would have ticked him off.
And he still hasn't said anything about my vote on him, This strikes me a really odd becuase he is on L-1.
I have been busy and still am, but i will try to post more from now on.
Why only address one vote out of 6 others?
Especially one with no reason that is basically 0 to defend against anyway.
Also @YOLO you have no grounds to attack based on activity so don't even go there, and btw 2 bandwagons day 1 isn't that big a deal really, you usually get at least 2 bandwagons in any game (this includes 5p micros) it's how people get reactions.
If we did it your way we'd have nothing
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In post 289, the director wrote:
I've also noticed that there is always dual wagons going side-by-side, first it was Revenus/Hiraki, now its EPM/Jacob. With two scum teams, this makes sense.
Have any of you people actually played mafia before?
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First thing is first
Viomi, you are awesome, just saying that is the best replacement wall i have ever seen.
And finally the walls break out i'm so happy right now
Hiraki wrote:Now, I'm not going to repost AJ's ISO for the fifth time in this post. I realize that if you've actually gotten here (EPM/Jason), you deserve a prize. I have no prizes.
FTFY
In post 310, Viomi wrote:
In post 129, JasonWazza wrote:In post 128, YOLO wrote:In post 119, JacobSavage wrote:On a "serious" note, Xergus why the sheeping Jason, I agree he's town (his play here matches how I've seen him play in other games as town, See Mini 1397 (he replaced out Day 1/2 but anyway) and Micro 104 to give you some idea of what I mean.)
Did you also find games where he was mafia and played noticeably different? Because otherwise 'Jason plays like Jason' tells us absolutely nothing about his alignment.
I swear i (and a few others) just finished saying this about Revenus, are you actually reading the game?
UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: YOLO
Jason no! You were headed in the right direction and everything ;~;
I still don't think it's a wrong direction, I think there are multiple scum i vote who i feel is scummiest (or vote to show this person is being scummy) doesn't mean that i stopped seeing Hiraki's scumminess.
Jason wrote:
He's dancing, what the fuck does it look like he's doing?
Once the game is over this is going onto my wiki and possibly my Signature.
Jason wrote:He hasn't been all that scummy imo (that "reaction test" is scummy as hell but whatevs)
Reaction tests scummy?
Tell me, have you even played mafia before?
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In post 311, Viomi wrote:Oh forgot to add my scum reads:
Hikari - Good player, Scum as fuck
EPC - Medium player, Constant defense of hikari = scumbuddy?
Navarre - Lurker, probably scum, besides nobody likes lurkers
Xegarus - Same as above, lurker.
Wait you think that there is 2 teams of 2, one with Hiraki/EPM the other with 2 lurkers, sorry but i slightly doubt the chances of that, and noticing the deadline i think i will put my vote back on JS (i thought we were down to like 2-3 days damn 10 day deadlines screwing with my system >.>)
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In post 338, evilpacman18 wrote:You were supposed to come the logical conclusion that I also think he's town and based on meta knowledge, I'm more likely to be right.
meta =/= more likely to be right.
That is retarded.
In post 339, JacobSavage wrote:Also can we easy up on the walls, I barley read them normally but when theres so many of them.
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In post 352, Viomi wrote:
The fact that they are defending eachother a lot means they're scumbuddies, right?
You don't often see this kind of chainsaw defense, and when you do it's almost always scumbuddies.
How does that not make sense? Yes it's a completely stupid tactic for scum usually, but since most scum bus they might've agreed on defending together since it's not a very common scum tactic.
But anyways that's just a bunch of WIFOM, but answer me this:
Why else would they defend eachother so much?
I get a little bit defense of a friend you've been playing with for a long time, I've sure done it, but this isn't just defense. It's CHAINSAW defense. He's defending everything about hikari he can, and that gives me really bad vibes.
Defending =/= scumbuddies, Town defend town reads (i have done this as town).
Also i wouldn't call it chainsaw defense, unless your honestly telling me that EPM has like 7-8 scum reads.
Dunno what bit your refering to but your welcome
You mean the guy with 6 posts? how exactly did he disappear? He was barely here in the first place.
In post 357, Viomi wrote:
He's a completely different player there. He's intelligent, lays stuff out.... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!
a) what game is this in? I haven't seen him act all that intelligent before (no offense Revneus)
b) How many games are you using as a sample size cause i am pretty sure i have seen this play from him as town
In post 358, Viomi wrote:
Okay what is with this game? I mean seriously, I see most of you posting elsewhere around the site and not in this thread. It's like lurkerville in here. Holy shit this game has got to be the slowest I've played yet.
I was getting there, can't always update in all my games at once.
In post 359, Aj The Epic wrote:
I think it could be EPM setting toWKoff the Hiraki... That's the only reason I've been worried about Hiraki so far and not pressuring further (besides arguing with him is basically inciting rage).
What is WK?
In post 363, Viomi wrote:
Meta being used to say someone isn't scum I don't listen to. However, when it looks like you're doing something because you're under more pressure (being scum can be a lot more pressure as well) then I look into it a bit.
*smacks Viomi on the nose with a newspaper*
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In post 365, YOLO wrote:
Town
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Revenus
JasonWazza
Null
Evilpacman18
The director
Hiraki
Slight scum
Navarre
Scum zone
JacobSavage
Josh Lyman
No read
Aj the epic
Xegarus
WT Snacks
This is kinda pathetic and looks more like an activity list rather then anything, town being highly active scum being hardly active.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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In post 401, Viomi wrote:
Jason wrote:Also i wouldn't call it chainsaw defense, unless your honestly telling me that EPM has like 7-8 scum reads.
Would you mind clarifying this for me?
Well Chainsaw defense usually consists of Player A being called scummy by players B/C and then Player D (the one chainsaw defending) attacking Players B/C for attacking Player A
Hence if EPM was chainsaw defending Hiraki he'd probably have to have 7-8 scum reads (the people who called Hiraki scum)
Jason wrote:In post 357, Viomi wrote:
He's a completely different player there. He's intelligent, lays stuff out.... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!
a) what game is this in? I haven't seen him act all that intelligent before (no offense Revneus)
b) How many games are you using as a sample size cause i am pretty sure i have seen this play from him as town
Scratch what I said. He's playing just as intelligently as he did in his town games (which is actually rather intelligent). I just didn't see it because of Hiraki bashing him and him flailing back when he was under pressure at the beginning of the game.
Here, I'll do it for you:
In post 357, Viomi wrote:
He's a completely different player there.He's intelligent, lays stuff out.... Unlike in this thread he's flailing like a fucking monkey!
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In post 402, Maenara wrote:
So, Jason, eh? Noted two things about you, as I read this here thread. First off, you've been unusually mercenary with your votes. I don't like that. Secondly, and more importantly, you have a way high words to content ratio. So I took a look at your meta.
Well, I look at the very first game I can find with you in it, and lo and behold! Your posting style is exactly the same. Cue my dismay. Until, that is, I ISO the mod, and find out you flipped scum.
Bye-bye, lad: VOTE: JasonWazza
Mercenary i assuming meaning willing to use my vote as pressure (playstyle tell)
Also using one game that i was scum in as meta and not comparing to my town games is pathetic, i tend to play extremely similar as town and as scum.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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Ok just realized you replaced Xegarus who has fuck all content, so mae, please answer me a few questions
Why did you only meta check using a scum game?
Why did you meta and iso me of all people?
Have you meta and isoed other people in this game?
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In post 408, Maenara wrote:In post 405, JasonWazza wrote:Ok just realized you replaced Xegarus who has fuck all content, so mae, please answer me a few questions
Why did you only meta check using a scum game?
Why did you meta and iso me of all people?
Have you meta and isoed other people in this game?
Why after this game just had a major talk about how meta is fucked did you just decide to use a meta tell?
1) I didn't.
2) You're scum.
3) Yes.
4) Because it's not, and I only did it after finding you to be scum.
Bullshit, if you did you would know i play similar enough as scum vs. town that meta is beyond a useless tell on me.
No i am not.
Alrighty then, how many and which players, also since you have only managed to "find" (and i use the term in the loosest possible manner) one scum i have to say that you are likely talking shit, there is likely at least 4 scum players in the game.
Pathetic.
In post 407, Viomi wrote:Especially since the fact that we JUST had a talk about why we aren't going to use meta and now you waltz in here and use it.
There's no way you read ANY of this thread.
Bugger off. I've read the damn thread, and I actually wish I hadn't. That way, I'd've avoided your posts.
So in other words you went against what the town thinks is viable?
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Meta Tell's are pathetic
Case on me is based on a game (of which we have no evidence of, i for one don't even know which game this is) in which i was scum.
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In post 414, Maenara wrote:"Tiny, but fierce".
Now that you're done with the blatant insults, Viomi, one might question your motives for acting like a cheerleader, the way you do at the moment.
Jason, the problem is that you'renotdoing the vote-switching in a pro-town manner. If you're voting for pressure, you can't just jump offnowbecause a replacement is pestering you. On the other hand, if it's because you've got a serious read on someone, it's also questionable how two posts from a replacement is enough to outweigh that.
You're not acting particularly consistently.
Order of events
a) JS has been lurking the fuck out, i vote him for pressure.
b) replacement of someone who seemed somewhat scummy comes in and does extremely scummy things
c) I vote Scummy person
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In post 417, Maenara wrote:Surely, if I am that scummy, even with provocation, continuing to debate me would be sufficient to gather up momentum for my lynch? Whereas the pressuring does seem to falter when you, you know, aren't actually doing it.
Yes but there is a massive difference between voting to pressure and voting to lynch scum.
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In post 420, Revenus wrote:
Because guess what? I was in a game with him where he flipped scum and I have a townread on him right now.
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In post 427, Maenara wrote:
My reads?
Town: Director, Hiraki, Yolo.
Scum: Navarre, Aj the Epic, WT Snacks
The rest are too null at the moment.
Lol you know you were getting fucked and decided to stop calling me scum?
Micro 113. But I'm getting cold feet on this, 'cause he ain't reacting the way I'd expect him to do.
Cause a five player game has much of a likeness to a 13 player closed normal
The major difference in that game is if i died i lost.
In post 421, Revenus wrote:The fact that you ran in and are calling him scum ONLY because of his previous game is strange because it means that you came in, looked at the playerlist, then iso'd a players game in a previous game instead of finding content from THIS game to call him scum with.
That's A. fucking disingenuous, and B. fucking stupid.
But it's not what I actually did. I read the game, thought his logic sounded off, but couldn't put my finger on it, found him voting for wagons that I thought made little sense, saw relatively little content compared to his activity, and then decided to look up his usual playstyle. As a result of all this, I decided that I needed to drill him for more info.
As for what I think of Hume, I thought he seemed really town. On the other hand, I didn't like what I read of his replacement prior to my joining, and since my "waltzing in here", her actions have mostly consisted of being pissed at me, which is neither here nor there, and certainly not anything I can work with. I'm not willing to vote for her yet, 'cause I think I just don't get her playing style - I'm not certain enough for it to outweigh my impression of Hume, at any rate.
With all that said, I've probably got as much from Jason as I can for now, and it hasn't cemented my read the way I thought it would.
Hence, for now, I'd like to look elsewhere. WT Snacks has definitely not contributed enough, and if nothing else, owes us a follow-up on the alleged ISO of Hiraki.
VOTE: WT Snacks
Lol you need to "drill me for info" What a load of bullshit, you called me scum flat out and now you know that your gonna have players kicking your ass for being stupid your backpedaling.
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I must have a whole fucking cheer squad yeah Maenara?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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In post 435, Hiraki wrote:Can you two make two organized cases on each other?
I actually think you guys are prob all town (regardless of what I said about Xegarus before) but I need to confirm.
That is directed at me and Maenara right?
In post 410, JasonWazza wrote:
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Insta tunnel is bad
Meta Tell's are pathetic
Case on me is based on a game (of which we have no evidence of, i for one don't even know which game this is) in which i was scum.
Pretty much covers the bulk of it, not to mention all her reactions are TERRIBLE, she has back pedaled hard once people came in and she realized it wasn't going to fly, and now seems to just be picking the easiest wagon she can.
In post 443, the director wrote:Certainly not counting on Jason, who you have buttered up more than a fat kid does to a dinner roll, but that is besides the point. I can only hope the other scum team shoots you N1.
Yes you can't count on 2 people out of 13, meaning there is still what 11 for a case to be heard by?
As pathetic as this is
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In post 443, the director wrote:I can only hope the other scum team shoots you N1.
If this is what you mean that it's not the slip you think it is, he is refering to you as scum meaning the other scum team would have to kill you.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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In post 456, Viomi wrote:flavor wise, the town could be the mafia and the scum could be werewolves. or vice versa.
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In post 458, Viomi wrote:no, I'm just telling you that we have no way of knowing if there's more than one scum team.
No your stretching, really really far.
In post 467, Maenara wrote:
2) Me citing meta as my only reason (Which you then chose to latch onto), and you not liking this.
FTFY
In post 481, Viomi wrote:@Jason and EPM: Yeah, when Jason was talking about the whole what chainsaw defense was I was very confused because that's not what I remember it being.
I thought chainsaw defense was just when somebody was hardcore defending somebody.
Ok maybe my interpretation of Chainsaw Defense is wrong, i thought that was what it meant oh well, live and learn lols
In post 487, Viomi wrote:
Also, the case on me is:
Some of you think there is two scum teams.
I don't agree.
So I must be scum?
I don't see how that makes any sense at all. I have a different opinion on how many teams I think there are, and I don't see how that makes me scum.
The Case isn't this it's that your stretching that there isn't 2 scum teams in order to make it a reasoning for a lynch.
In post 502, Aj The Epic wrote:In post 495, evilpacman18 wrote:btw speaking of an SK, 4 scum is a lot and it seems to be the general consensus if we're assuming two teams. I'd wager that it's more likely a werewolf is on a team by himself and can't be NK'd by mafia. Or vice versa, the pluralization of 'werewolf' in the title kinda throws that off.
Werewolf, if not the Russian version, is actually supposedly a usual sole role. Having never played against one, all I know is mafia theory and research on the slot. So, should we predict that route, I'd imagine only three total scum.
I'd have to disagree usually (and this is mostly from experience) a scum team has no less then 2 members (note that SK isn't on a scum based TEAM), so i wouldn't be surprised if we have at least 4 scum, possibly 5 if there is an sk (though i think balance wise it would be too swingy for a normal)
Now here is my case on Viomi (no hard feelings over this i hope)
a) The stretching to make a viable theory, it seriously looks like it is coming from someone on the scum team and i can't wrap my head around the way she is approaching it to be logical from any townie standpoint
b)In post 310, Viomi wrote:
In post 212, Revenus wrote:But, wait, now I'm suddenly feeling conflicted on my vote because two of the scummier people in the game (Hiraki/WTSnacks) are both endorsing this lynch.
Mmmmm.
More than one scum team
Well fuck you must have changed your thinking since then ^
Until it was convenient she thought there was 2 scum teams.
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Seer is basically a cop for werewolves, Macho can't be protected at night.
It's funny how we lost a seer and a werewolf though.
So many places i want to place my vote.
I think i will start here.
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Now he is scum budd's with Maenara and Revenus.
Keep going with that theory though it's clearly working.
Fact: No one trait defines scum buddys because of the fact that people look for these pairings thus scum teams go against this.Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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In post 647, Josh Lyman wrote:There isn't a case on me.
I find it how responsive this is to anything asked of him that he can just swat away, there is a case or there wouldn't be 3 votes and this is a clear exampleReturning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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@Mod: Quit lurking and prod WT Snacks and yourself
This game is extremely slow.
Not to mention full of scum fucks.
@Viomi;
How is YOLO jumping on the biggest wagon after he just gave reasoning scum?
How is Josh coming in and jumping on a secondary wagon with 0 explanation not scum?
@YOLO;
Are you only gonna do policy lynches?
Cause if so i will put your head on the chopping block with the 3 you named
@Maenara;
Get over the Viomi shit please, not helpful to have a bitch fight.
@EPM;
How does 3 pages of town reading stuff get rid of the entire scum fest that is Director?
@Everyone;
How is Josh coming in and posting one line saying there is no case not lurking scum?Returning win rate: 4/1, 80%
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VOTE: Viomi
Reasoning;
The whole "there could be just 1 scum team" argument still seems to be coming from mafia.
Her interactions with WT consists (of what i can see as) a really soft bus and doesn't really look at WT that hard.
Could also be a partner for her hard press against Hiraki "your a good player but scum" in her first few posts
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