Mini 1414: Mafia and Werewolves - Game Over

[rapidcanyon]

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Hiraki

- 5/7 (Xegarus, Josh Lyman, Navarre, Aj The Epic, JasonWazza)

Navarre

- 3/7 (WT Snacks, JacobSavage, Hiraki)

Revenus

- 1/7 (evilpacman18)

Aj The Epic

- 1/7 (the director)

evilpacman18

- 1/7 (Hume)

Not Voting (2)

: YOLO, Revenus

Deadline

: February 6th, 10PM, PST.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-02-06 22:00:00)

[Hiraki]

Mod: I have 5 votes, no?

Yes, fixed.

[Revenus]

As far as Hiraki goes; he is scummy right now, but he's given us a LOT of content; right now instead of sitting on his face with our butts trying to convince him he's scum, we should be pressuring some of the people who are flat out refusing to give content (like WTSnacks)

Vote:WTSnacks

My vote is sitting here while I examine the rest of the players and I encourage the rest of you to at least ask this dude to contribute more.

Ok, onto Xegarus

Post #6: RVS
Post #29: Asks me who I think is most likely to be "faking" that I'm scum on my wagon (null), Asks Navarre why he isn't commenting on anyone (null/town)
Post #49: Questions Lyman on his usage of language (null)
Post #51: Oh, his RVS vote was actually serious (null/scum)
Post #62: Argument over semantics (null)
Post #113: Vote on Hiraki out of nowhere (scummy)
Post #115: Asked for reasons on Hiraki vote, tells us he'll give them "later" (scummy, because he still hasn't given any; looks like he was hoping other people would construct an argument for him right now IMO)
Post #147: Talks about Navarre not commenting on a vote (even though he's done the same thing????) and that voting without a reason would tick someone off (even though he's doing the same thing????)



Ok nevermind, this dude is far scummier

Vote:Xegarus

[Revenus]

Yolo

Post #82: Intro post (null)
Post #118: Explains why he doesn't like the meta case against me (null/town), questions Hiraki on who he thinks is dishonest (null/town)
Post #128: Tells us he hates votes without reasoning (townish), questions jason meta (null/town, due to continuity of logic)
Post #159: Calls Jason out for "being inconsistent" (null), argues more with Jason (null), calls JSavage out for using past game meta (null/town for continuty of logic)
Post #187: Warns us not to jump to conclusions about setup (null/town). Lectures about scumhunting and reading the game more carefully (null/town) Warns the director about quickhammering (null/town)

Ok, this dude is probably town, but I'm taking away some points due to his only interacting with about 5 players in the game and also not voting. Would like to see more activity from this slot particuarly since I think he's been pretty lucid so far.

[JacobSavage]

Just on the point about theDirector wanting the hammer. Its something that I've seen him do as town so its not really something we can get reads off so yeah.

Also everyone on the Hiraki wagon. What makes you think that he is scum.

Everyone off the wagon, what do you think of Hiraki and his wagon?

[rapidcanyon]

Xegarus has been prodded.

[Xegarus]

Sorry, been a little busy.
Will post more starting tomorrow.

[Hume]

I'm really sorry, guys. I've had one of those days that ended up metastasizing and turning into one of those weeks, pretty much. I'm basically through it now, but I'm absolutely knackered and it's late-ish where I am and I need some sleep. This is basically just a prod dodge post but it comes with the guarantee of a decent post tomorrow. Hope that's okay for now.

[the director]

So Revenus is data-dumping ISOs in an attempt to look like he is scum hunting in order to weasel out of his horrific opening play.

And Hikari isn't doing much to sway my read on him either.

[JacobSavage]

Well this game has stalled...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiraki

That's L-1 folks.
@Hiraki, who do you think is scum and.why. What do you think of the directors hammer threat on someone (possibly Revens? )

[Hiraki]

the director hasn't done anything significant and thinks he's a boss. You've unfortunately left a nice opening for the radical which I don't like.

In addition, there's really no case placed against me.

AJ keeps talking about me addressing my own scumtells.

thedirector literally is criticizing my reads because of my methods and calling them scummy.

Which effectively means that the director thinks I'm calling my "buddies" town while making horrible moves to do it.

Xegarus, Navarre, Josh Lyman (not 100% sure but pretty close to it) and X.

X is either Jason, AJ(doubtful), or the director(doubting).

Pretty sure it's in that zone and everyone else is town.

[Aj The Epic]

_You might want to claim now if you have anything to say. It sounds like director is prone to quick-hammer...

[Hiraki]

I'm not claiming until I get an intent to hammer.

[the director]

intent

[evilpacman18]

Skimmed page 10 and 11 cuz I was eager to get into the way my reads changed from page 6 to 9. I'll read em more carefully later. I quoted some posts that interested me. I'll point out now that I really like AJ but think he's wrong about some things including the fact that he's voting Hiraki. Not saying it's impossible that Hiraki is scum or that I have a town read on him, but I haven't disliked him so far and I think there's better lynches. I think that one of Revenus and Navarre is probably scum, a lot of people have posited that Revenus is just VI which seems likely to me, and same for Navarre. Maybe the only reason for my theory then is that I really hope there isn't two idiots on the town team.
Also I hadn't noticed that there was probably two teams until it was brought up by someone. Idr who. Btw this reminds me that YOLO is also town. I think between AJ, Hiraki (hopefully), YOLO, and I, we could have a pretty strong and accurate town going. Anyway onto posts.

Once Revenus gets to l-1 I will hammer.

You are scum.

I'm not about to be lectured to by scum. I have my reasons.

You are scum.

@yolo if town had the stones revenus would be dead right now.

@rev your wagon is ... not dumb ... as you so eloquently put it.

YOU ARE SCUM.
I swear if somebody's like blaaaah you can't just post and say this post is scummy waaaaah reasons... come on really like hopefully everyone can see how those posts were written by scum. Also possibly a bad teammate of Revenus' who wants to distance by heavy early bussing.

You see I can't give any fucks to pressure when:

A) The person says "let's give him pressure"
B) The person says that I change opinions but I do not change votes but literally just says what I do rather than giving context.
C) The person replaces into a fairly decently contented game for 8 pages and writes maybe 10 sentences and calls it a day and even says that he's written enough.

You need to do some fucking work AJ.

In addition, AJ's scumlist is pretty close to mine so...yeah.

So your next post will be thanking me.

Yeah, dunno where the Revenus virus got in you but you can fuck off because if my town cred was as bad as you said, I'd be pretty worried by now.

I only quoted this because it's a good post.

@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night and people are harder to read day 1 because of the many arguments that people may have. This seriously effects my reads and day 2 will help me provide clearer reads which i will out tomorrow. Get me? or is this really confusing? because it seems to be really confusing when i type it.

Lol you're an idiot.

@Hiraki. Little to no content helps me stay alive at night and people are harder to read day 1 because of the many arguments that people may have. This seriously effects my reads and day 2 will help me provide clearer reads which i will out tomorrow. Get me? or is this really confusing? because it seems to be really confusing when i type it.

That's seriously dumb and antitown.

Ah beat to it.

By the way, please don't put Hiraki at L-1 yet, we have like 5-6 players who have a bare minimum of content, so even if we lynch scum today, we're going to be lacking in the information department tomorrow.

Probably the scummiest thing I've read all game.

No. It's stupid sure, but it's not necessarily scummy. At least not as bad as blurring the line between the two. Soooo yeah. Let's kill thedirector instead.

[evilpacman18]

intent

WHERE'S YOUR STONES YOU SCUM

[evilpacman18]

Unfortunately director setting up an "excusable" instalynch of Revenus but hesitating on Hiraki is very possibly a sign that they're together.

[Revenus]

Can we not hammer with a week left and people like Navarre/WTSnacks running around giving 0 content? Thanks.

Also, thedirector, I thought you were the "only with with enough stones to hammer someone"

You think both me and hiraki are scum

yet you imply you wouldn't wait for my claim
and you're wiating for hiraki's.

why the difference?


and as far as my iso's go; Do you have a problem with the content or are you just calling me scum and ignoring my content...oh wait, rhetorical question

/shrug.

[rapidcanyon]

Josh Lyman has been prodded.

[Josh Lyman]

Hi, received my prod. Sorry for the absence, reading now.

[WT Snacks]

Evilpacman, how come you're not voting the director?

[evilpacman18]

I figured I'd gauge whether or not the wagon is going anywhere. Like I said I'm not the type to vote often and don't believe votes create pressure. My vote is still on Revenus whose lynch I still wouldn't mind. If it becomes likely that director will be lynched then I'll vote him

[WT Snacks]

This quote:

Any Revenus is doing a better job of looking like town.

Followed by 4-5 posts calling the director scum says to me that you think the director is scummier than revenus. Gauging whether or not the wagon is going anywhere reads like scum trying not to make waves.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: evilpacman

[Xegarus]

Ok, onto Xegarus

Post #6: RVS
Post #29: Asks me who I think is most likely to be "faking" that I'm scum on my wagon (null), Asks Navarre why he isn't commenting on anyone (null/town)
Post #49: Questions Lyman on his usage of language (null)
Post #51: Oh, his RVS vote was actually serious (null/scum)
Post #62: Argument over semantics (null)
Post #113: Vote on Hiraki out of nowhere (scummy)
Post #115: Asked for reasons on Hiraki vote, tells us he'll give them "later" (scummy, because he still hasn't given any; looks like he was hoping other people would construct an argument for him right now IMO)
Post #147: Talks about Navarre not commenting on a vote (even though he's done the same thing????) and that voting without a reason would tick someone off (even though he's doing the same thing????)



Ok nevermind, this dude is far scummier

Vote:Xegarus

Everything in my post 147 was to explain my vote. And I was talking about hiraki.
I said hiraki has not commented on my vote of him, i said that me not giving a reason would have ticked him off.
And he still hasn't said anything about my vote on him, This strikes me a really odd becuase he is on L-1.
I have been busy and still am, but i will try to post more from now on.

[YOLO]

Well this game has stalled...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Hiraki

That's L-1 folks.

This post is very alarming to me. The game has been going for only a week, but in that time we've come close to lynching two different players (Revenus and Hiraki), we've seen a quickwagon on Navarre, and the game itself is quite active. How exactly has this game stalled? This has to be one of the worst vote argumentation I've ever seen. And on top of that, it's a L-1 vote!

On the subject of the recent Revenus and Hiraki wagons:
It's common knowledge that in mafia games the active players garner the most suspicion while the lurkers go by relatively easily, especially Day 1. This is because the more post, the more likely it is that you post something that other people will interpret as scummy. Now I won't say that Revenus and Hiraki aren't scum, but I will point out that our two most active players are conveniently our two major bandwagons of Day 1. As for my personal opinion, I haven't seem much from Hiraki that I would interpret as scummy. Especially when I look at how much he posted, I feel he's done an ok job so far. I'd rather look at the people with few content, especially those that go into 'prod dodge' mode with a lynch nearby, like Josh Lyman is doing now (gets prodded, says he's reading 'now', then doesn't post anyway).

So Revenus is data-dumping ISOs in an attempt to look like he is scum hunting in order to weasel out of his horrific opening play.

And Hikari isn't doing much to sway my read on him either.

I'm mainly talking about thoughts like this. You don't like what you see, but you're ignorant of what you don't see.

At this point my main suspicions lie with Josh Lyman and JacobSavage.
Josh Lyman has posted nothing worth of value today. He has only been here to vote Revenus and Hiraki (the leading wagons) with argumentation such as 'I'm voting you because you're scum' and 'I don't like this'. Then when we're getting close to a lynch, he disappears and only posts a prod acknowledgement.
I have stated earlier that I didn't like the fact that JacobSavage relied solely on meta to scumhunt. Since then, he has done next to nothing except join easy wagons (Navarre and Hiraki). Then, there's that terrible terrible 'this game has stalled' vote.

I feel comfortable voting either player. I'm going to vote Jacob because I feel Jacob's behaviour is more serious. If I look at it from a different angle, Jacob could just be a very impatient player by nature that legitly feels this game has stalled. However, going through the meta of other players is something that requires lots of patience. No matter how I look at it, his L-1 vote is terrible.

Vote: JacobSavage