Mini 1440 - Unoriginal Mafia - Endgame

[Klick]

Ohai everyone! Haven't played in awhile (played in one just recently, but only lived for a couple of days).

@Rach: Who's scum?

[Klick]

@Phenenas: Can you put replacements' names back in the dead list? Sorry, that's just a major pet peeve of mine.

[Klick]

So, Rach is town, unless there are only two scum. Which means she's not today's lynch.

So my options are rmp, Beli, and Monty?

[Klick]

Just saying Rach, Goodbar should have been really obvious town to you.

[Klick]

So reading it over ISOs a bit, I get a strong feeling of two things:

1. rmc is probably town.
2. rmc and Monty probably aren't partners.

I currently want to vote Beli, and I suspect a Beli/Monty team.

[Klick]

Actually, rmc/Beli isn't too likely either, mostly because of 308 and especially 310:

I agree that it did seem scummy but I don't see him as scum.

Nero and Nunez are both Lazy. HOWEVER. Babboon was also stupid. Yes I know it was one post but don't you find it odd that his replacement would come in here and be lazy? It just seems a bit off to me.

Is he really talking about both partners in this post?

[Klick]

Whooop!

Anyway just finished reading the thread, reads:

Scum

MontyWhittaker -

Psyche's attempt at moving the town along was fake as fake can be.

Nero

Scumish

Belisarius
rmpeacoc

Null

Goodbar
Bomberman

Townish

Demon
SafetyDance
petapan

Town

ArcAngel9

Discuss.

LOL

Jacob was killed because he was right. All of the possible suspects are in the bottom 4 of his list, with Nero. He wasn't threatening otherwise.

My slot is obvious town.

[Klick]

I'm really fine with voting Monty or Beli today - pretty convinced they're the team at this point.

[Klick]

Mostly because of the JacobSavage thing. When my slot was higher on his town list than a lot of the players that were left, what motivation would my slot have to kill Jacob? Any team without Bomberman in it would have reason to kill Jacob because he basically called their team, but Jacob wouldn't have been a threat at all to Bomberman-scum.

[Klick]

Not really. It's logic.

[Klick]

It's the natural progression of the game for the scummiest players to be alive at the end because the scum kill the towniest. The fact that someone was suspicious of people who wound up surviving is completely unsurprising and in no way clears anyone. Your "logic" is shit and if anything now I'm surer that my vote is in the right place.

Getting heated up for no reason much?

I feel better about a Beli vote. There's a very slight possibility of Beli/rmc IMO, while I feel pretty confident that Monty/rmc isn't the team.

[Klick]

Your "reason" is shit.

[Klick]

(I was just copying the wording from what I disagreed with in your previous post)

[Klick]

Your reasons make sense, rmc, and honestly, Monty is probably scum via PoE. However, there are two reasons I'd rather lynch Beli:

1. He's more likely to flip scum from my point of view. There's still a slight possibility of a rmc/Beli team for me, and really if you're scum, that's most likely who you're scum with. It's a safe lynch for me.

2. If Monty is scum and we lynch his partner today, there won't be a kill tonight (unless Phenenas replaces him before then)

[Klick]

So basically we're in the same situation. If I'm scum, it's more likely with Monty, while if you're scum, it's more likely with Beli.

[Klick]

We actually can't be a team, since we didn't hammer Monty.

[Klick]

Basically, if you're town, you have two options - lynch Monty now, and go to LyLo with us and Beli; or lynch between Beli and I now, and go to LyLo with me being confirmed town and choosing between you and Monty (unless you lynch me today).

I also have two options - lynch Beli now, and go into LyLo being confirmed town and choosing between you and Monty; or lynching between you and Monty now, and go into LyLo pushing the same thing tomorrow.

I'd rather make my decision now.

[Klick]

Er, no. I'd rather make my decision tomorrow.

[Klick]

Connection tells to Nero are unreliable, because from what I understand, he was trolling.

I feel pretty good about rmp being town, but I'm not certain on it. And if rmp is scum, it's with Beli due to his strong push for a Monty lynch and Beli's willingness to switch to Monty. Which means Beli is scum regardless.

[Klick]

@Rach: I'm thinking the exact same thing, except about rmc.

@rmc: No. I'll literally be confirmed town because I CAN'T be scum with Beli, or else we would have already won by quickhammering Monty.

If neither of you are willing to lynch Beli today, just say so, and I'll stop wasting my breath and vote Monty.

[Klick]

If it came down to it I COULD handle a Belisarius lynch

What changed between here and now?

[Klick]

Fine. I'll wait for Rach's opinion.

[Klick]

VOTE: Monty

lol

[Klick]

Dammit rmp you didn't play along

[Klick]

Yeah, I wanted to see Beli's reaction. But I didn't really expect you to pick up on it.

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...lol.

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Regardless of who's scum, this game is incredibly unbalanced. I would have voted Rach if she was alive today, for balance reasons.

I'm in driver's ed right now, but I'll get to this later.

[Klick]

rmpeacoc you quoted me before I had strong reads on everyone. Your points are just completely butchered things I've said about you so you're either opportunistically slandering me or completely lacking self awareness.

I claim even-night Jailkeeper (EM nurse). Hooray, the first real PR! I only had one night to save and it was Bomberman (and then peta my second choice died eff me)

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Belisarius

I trust the rmpeacoc situation will smooth itself out when I'm dead. I might as well lead my own individual vote while I can and expect an explanation soon.

I will

I am an even night tracker...

I tracked Nero when I replaced in during night time he did nothing so that means his partner did the NK.

I tracked rmp last night she did nothing

not sure what my pred did before I replaced in....

that was why I was huh about the claim yesterday because 2 even night PRs seems a tad odd, and with him switching his vote at the last minute I had no choice but to hammer him there was not time enough to hammer rmp... but looks like she is town.

Actually, Beli is confirmed scum. I was jailed when Nero was tracked, which means I couldn't have killed N2. Rmc was tracked nowhere N4.

VOTE: Beli

[Klick]

Actually, I just realized I have a slight possibility of being wrong - there could be a Mafia Roleblocker, and that could lead to the possibility that rmc is scum. However, it's such a low probability that I'm not going to consider it. Here's why:

In order to assume rmc is scum, I'd have to assume that: 1. he's a Mafia Roleblocker or something of the like; 2. he happened to make a game-saving action on N4; 3. Phenenas thought it was a smart idea to put a Mafia Roleblocker in his setup when there was already a blocking role (applies if he's a Roleblocker, the most likely explanation for a scum role in this setup). And THEN, I'd have to also have a scumread on rmc over Beli to actually lynch him.

[Klick]

^_^

[Klick]

Nope. I got on and decided to look at the night actions from previous nights because I wanted to do that if there was one scum left. Tracker and Jailkeeper are both essentially cops with one scum left. And it's shown that I didn't come into the day with that by the fact that I didn't post it as my first post of the day, but my second, a whole 6 minutes afterward.

Redirector and Bus Driver are both specifically banned from Normal games. Ninja isn't, but it wouldn't make sense to have a role in that is effective against one PR but not the other, making the other significantly more powerful.

There's a very low chance of me being scum by probability alone. Bomberman would have had to decide it was a good idea to use whatever PR he would have on N2, against Goodbar, who was conveniently targeting him.

[Klick]

@Mod: Could a scum member kill and use an ability on the same night if they weren't the last scum remaining?

[Klick]

^_^

This was fun. I was likely about to be confirmed town anyway, though.

Beli, you probably should have killed rmc to leave the option of Rach lying open. Or me, for that matter. Either would have caught the other off-guard, I think.

[Klick]

I agree that the setup was pretty town sided, as shown by D5 being an unknown autowin, with rmc and I being inevitably confirmed as town. I'll call it swingy, though, as it would have been much different if either PR died before Nero.

[Klick]

Night 2:

Goodbar kidnaps JacobSavage

Wait... I wasn't confirmed town?

LOL