Mini 1474: Desperado's Revenge (Game Over)

[evilpacman18]

/confirm

[evilpacman18]

In other news, I think Device's excessive formality on his confirm is characteristic of scum, hence my vote.

No it's because he's new. I checked his confirmation post history because I thought the exact same thing.

[evilpacman18]

Also you idiots, Jester isn't even a normal role, RC is obviously joking.

[evilpacman18]

Themoaner looks pretty bad. What better way to fake scumhunting than go hardcore tunneling on someone based on something universal and obvious?

This is a good point...

theomoaner... have we played together?

[evilpacman18]

How many scum are in a typically in these kind of set up, by the way?

Almost certainly 3.

[evilpacman18]

I started reading the game over from page 2 and the first thing I noticed was that I don't like lucky2u's post 26 where he leads off immediately with a suspicion of RC and THEN makes a random vote which is pointless and contradictory for someone who comes in with an accusation 11 posts after the game starts.

I'm not really sure what I think about theomoaner in 34 and 35. I didn't like him the first time I read that. On one hand it's a terribly opportunistic and bad-looking vote, but on the other hand, the half hour space in posts and the stream of consciousness feel to them tell me that this is a town player who's thinking about the game. Of course, he could've just decided to take the opportunity to mislynch pretty obv-town RC. IGMEOU I guess.

mnemonic device, how old are you? Serious question.

by page 3, jon_h61 made two "hello, I'll post eventually" posts. Usually when people keep apologizing for their posts, I tend to lean scum if there's really no reason for them to be apologizing. There wasn't even space of page between the two posts, it's unnecessary to justify lurking and promise eventual content so frequently.

Right now I think everyone's reads are aimed in the wrong direction and people should stop recklessly voting.

[evilpacman18]

I also agree with JJ that Flench could be scum.

[evilpacman18]

If anything, you guys should stop throwing your votes around so compulsively so that Desperado's job doesn't suck.


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The Fourth Votecount

RadiantCowbells - 3 (mnemonicdevice, theomoaner, Flench)
Feel It - 3 (Lucky2u, Radioactive Wolf, JJcoolPants)
theomoaner - 2 (N64Lord, Feel It)
jon_h61 - 1 (RadiantCowbells)
Not Voting - 4 (sthar8, tybalt, jon_h61, evilpacman18)

With

13

players alive, it's

7

to lynch

Today's deadline is

Saturday, July 27th at 11:59pm Eastern Standard Time

Spoiler: Player Voting History

N64Lord: evilpacman18 > theomoaner
Radioactive Wolf: Feel It
sthar8: evilpacman18 > Unvote
Feel It: Flench > theomoaner
Lucky2u: Feel It
RadiantCowbells: mnemonicdevice > theomoaner > jon_h61
tybalt:
JJcoolPants: mnemonicdevice > Flench > Feel It
Flench: RadiantCowbells > JJcoolPants > RadiantCowbells
mnemonicdevice: RadiantCowbells
jon_h61:
theomoaner: mnemonicdevice > RadiantCowbells
evilpacman18:

Spoiler: Voting History

On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

RadiantCowbells

votes

mnemonicdevice

in Post 15
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

mnemonicdevice

votes

RadiantCowbells

in Post 16
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

N64Lord

voted

evilpacman18

in Post 19
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

Feel It

voted

Flench

in Post 22
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

theomoaner

voted

mnemonicdevice

in Post 23
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

Lucky2u

voted

Feel It

in Post 26
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

Flench

voted

RadiantCowbells

in Post 31
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

theomoaner

voted

RadiantCowbells

in Post 35
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

sthar8

voted

evilpacman18

in Post 41
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

Flench

voted

JJcoolPants

in Post 61
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

Flench

voted

RadiantCowbells

in Post 73
On Sat, July 7/13/2013,

JJcoolPants

voted

mnemonicdevice

in Post 74
On Sun, July 7/14/2013,

Radioactive Wolf

voted

Feel It

in Post 91
On Mon, July 7/15/2013,

N64Lord

voted

theomoaner

in Post 92
On Mon, July 7/15/2013,

JJcoolPants

voted

Flench

in Post 93
On Mon, July 7/15/2013,

Feel It

voted

theomoaner

in Post 95
On Mon, July 7/15/2013,

RadiantCowbells

voted

theomoaner

in Post 101
On Tue, July 7/16/2013,

JJcoolPants

voted

Feel It

in Post 119
On Sun, July 7/14/2013,

RadiantCowbells

voted

jon_h61

in Post 124

[evilpacman18]

^ is town

[evilpacman18]

Right now I think everyone's reads are aimed in the wrong direction and people should stop recklessly voting.

Hello EPM. Nice to be playing with you again.

... and I suspect you drew scum this time around.

That last post pretty much said close to nothing (not taking a clear position on the theo wagon is most notable). In particular, I don't like the sentence I quoted since I pretty much read it as a way of shutting down discussion.

Also, I can't help what kind of modding decisions Desperado's making and I'm certainly not going to alter my play style because of them.

Remind me when we played together

[evilpacman18]

Well if you've played with me, especially recently, you'll know that I'm a conservative voter early in the game and encourage other people to be as well. I think it's far more effective to use our words than throw votes around as a scare tactic. I don't like to vote until I would be fine with that person being hammered right then and I wish more people felt the same.

And I'd urge you to consider my comment that everyone is aiming wrong, not an attempt to quell progress, but rather a promotion of more discussion, as I urge people to think about their reads differently because I disagree with votes on the likes of RC, Feel It, and Flench.

[evilpacman18]

4 posts in a row of random thoughts is town posting, unrestricted stream of consciousness.

[evilpacman18]

Also opinions changing from the 2nd to the 4th post is not scum, who always try too hard for consistency.

[evilpacman18]

It's not a pressure vote if you
1. Don't even list that person in your scumreads
2. Say it's a pressure vote
-_-

That's actually super anti-town. Hmm.

[evilpacman18]

He's scum! I was like hmmm suspicious, lemme read this dude's posts. So I scroll up and I see 126 and I'm like hmm, that's really long I bet scum wouldn't make posts that long so early. I almost just didn't read it but then I did. IT'S ALL FLUFF! I'll get back to this...

[evilpacman18]

Yup sthat8 and theomoaner are scum buddies. I'll get to this whrn I'm not phone posting.

[evilpacman18]

sthar8
when
*
ok
bed time

[evilpacman18]

^he said everything I need to on why "pressure voting" is the stupidest
Theomoaner, the only one of those 3 I actually think is town is RC, because I think scum would play more conservatively. Feel it and Flench, could still go either way, the reason I disagree with voting them isn't that I think they're town, it's just that they're not as high on my evolving lynch priority as you or sthar8. Feel it is null and like I said, Flench COULD be scum but could is much less convincing than is probably.

[evilpacman18]

Jon, I like how you post, but if you could stop making promises and just do work when you do work, it'd make it a lot easier for me not to be paranoid about you

[evilpacman18]

4. Teach basic mafia game theory to epm and jon (I've given up on RC)

I can't wait.

[evilpacman18]

^I'm sure you'll learn something as your current stance seems to be "contributing nothing to town gives you maximum town cred".

It's interesting that you suddenly have that opinion now that your buddy sthar8 has voiced it first.

[evilpacman18]

Let's talk about this. I'm on a computer now.

My first little red flag was 59, where he says he doesn't like outing town tells because of the info it gives scum. I appreciate that to a certain extent, I've been mad when people will say someone is town because in certain contexts it can seal the death of someone useful (this happened in my last game). It's hard to say whether this is consistent with sthar's meta because his last game was 5 years ago, but I do think that it's a bit FAR to say that as a rule, one doesn't approve of outing town tells. By this logic, he should be accusing people who do like to out their town tells, which is like everyone, but he hasn't even mentioned it since.

Another thing I'm noticing about him is just what he talks about. I'm just on page 3 and already most of his talk is about game theory, not actual scumhunting. He spends a bunch of time talking about how RC shouldn't be breaking the rules, but never mentions anything alignment related. He talks about good and bad play. He talks about meta. He asks people questions. He talks about game theory more.
What he never does is say "X post is <good/bad>, here's why, I'm leaning <alignment> on this player" or something along the lines of, you know, finding the mafia. It's the easiest way to fluff and look helpful.

As for a connection between him and theomoaner, I might have been wrong. I'll keep thinking about this one, I'd love other peoples' (JJ?) opinions on their exchange between 94 and 99 and theomoaner's post 116.

[evilpacman18]

vote: sthar8

[evilpacman18]

mnemonic, you should consider replacing out.

[evilpacman18]

he's a child.

[evilpacman18]

181 is such a useless post, I'm obviously not saying don't try to get lurkers to do work, that's exactly why I asked mnemonic to think about replacing out, and the same goes for Feel It, it's really early in the game, if you're already having trouble keeping up, it will only get harder and it shouldn't be tough for the mod to find a replacement at this point, either that or buckle down, read up, and play. The only thing you're saying in 181 is that I'm playing differently than my scum meta? Thank you?
What me and Radioactive are saying is that tossing your vote around like THAT is what's gonna get lurkers posting more, is straight asinine, ESPECIALLY if you make it clear that you're not voting them because you consider them scum, which is also SUPER ANTI-TOWN because you're bringing someone who you don't think is scum closer to the lynch, regardless of whether or not you'd unvote if their wagon gained traction for some reason, it's completely useless and unnecessary. It just creates inconsistencies and dissonance.

As for your defense, well I'm not unvoting so there's that.

[evilpacman18]

if anyone's being omgussy here, it's sthar. Every single one of my cases has been like brand new -_-

[evilpacman18]

I think EPM... ha

not had the most productive posting.

HOW IS THAT AN OPINION SOMEONE CAN HAVE ABOUT ME

sthar this isn't 2008, lurking isn't a scum tactic anymore. In that game, I was either swamped by real life stuff or just apathetic, either way I didn't go into the game thinking "I'm scum, let me not post and see how long I can get away with it." NOBODY DOES THAT. Sure, I didn't try very hard when I realized not playing was working decently, it's not proof that lurking works as a scum tactic. If nothing else just look at the fact that we have more lurking players than we can possibly have actual scum. Those posts ARE FROM 2006 FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, the game doesn't work like that anymore.

[evilpacman18]

also mini 1364 is shite scum meta for me. I don't really have any recent scum games to provide for meta, I've been drawing VT like mad.

[evilpacman18]

and 207 is all confirmation bias.

[evilpacman18]

sthar, what do you think of lucky2u? I'm not trying to group you together, don't worry, I'm actually wondering because I don't think you two are on the same team which means I must be wrong on one scum read and with lucky's terribly opportunistic wagon hop, I'm considering that I'm wrong on you.

also because I was thinking that confirmation bias means your logic is broken, but even though you're wrong to look for what you want to find in my posts, it means you believe something...
hmmm. If you can divorce yourself from the fact that you want me lynched and so you'll take the support, I'd be interested in what you think of the other votes on me too.

[evilpacman18]

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[evilpacman18]

unvote

This doesn't mean sthar is no longer a scum read.

[evilpacman18]

Mod, VC please and I noticed you placed one in a post of mine... If you could not, for the sake of easily ISOing you for VC analysis, that'd be nice.

[evilpacman18]

This game is borderline unplayable. It feels like a newbie game without anyone actually designated to direct the weak players so they're kinda just wandering aimlessly.
Still waiting for sthar's player-by-player, although maybe that was just a false promise to give him an excuse to indict me.

[evilpacman18]

Oh shoot that one's my fault. I assumed PBPA was player-by-player analysis, not post-by-post analysis. That's fine then. I would still like opinions from sthar on lucky2u and I guess I do look forward to that N64 post.

[evilpacman18]

Wth lol.
I'm leaning more Lucky than Flench but I can see either.

[evilpacman18]

Ok I'm back on a computer for the first time in a bit. I wanna compare the two probably best lynches for today, lucky2u and Flench, and put my two cents in on which would be better.
But first I'd like to say that, with jon's weird appeal to authority that makes no sense in the context of his win/loss ratio, I have to point out that I have been one of the most productive and active players in the game and I think I've earned the right to critique the play of some of the most inactive people here when it's fairly obvious that some people either don't care or literally are incapable (by being too young, for instance) of playing this game sufficiently well.

[evilpacman18]

actually you know what, I'm curious what everyone has to say first. I guess I shouldn't just decide that we're either lynching Flench or lucky2u today although it seems positively agreeable to me.

[evilpacman18]

Thanks for the exhaustive post, Flench. I wanted to say about Radioactive that the two posts you quoted felt to me like he'd posted the first one before fully reading but by the time he was caught up his read on me had changed because of my later posts. So he's seemed town to me, just for being so quick to admit he was wrong and actually allowing his reads to evolve. It's not the strongest town read but it makes me not wanna lynch him any time soon.
Jon, I'll get to your post later.

[evilpacman18]

Ok my other game finally went to night 1 after 2700 posts or some shit. I think that game is pretty much won, so this is my primary game now.

Catching up but I want the mod to comment on this.

[evilpacman18]

Ok my other game finally went to night 1 after 2700 posts or some shit. I think that game is pretty much won, so this is my primary game now.

Catching up but I want the mod to comment on this.

It's true. Apparently it's the longest day in a mini and third longest on site or something.

So it took up a lot of my time and concentration.

The point was this is discussion of an ongoing game and could warrant mod discipline. I would probably force replace for that post as a mod.

[evilpacman18]

Ok my other game finally went to night 1

after

2700 posts

or some shit.

I think that game is pretty much won

, so this is my primary game now.

The last bit is the kicker. Anyway stop distracting me, I'm trying to make a real post.

[evilpacman18]

You basically just told us your alignment in another game.

[evilpacman18]

Ok well first of all I'm excited to have AJ an Impetus in the game and leaning town already on both, moreso AJ than impetus. I'm absolutely behind the lucky lynch for today,

vote:lucky2u

and in my read from page 10 to here, the only thing I noticed is that N64 might be scum, his posts all make sense to me, idk why people are complaining about their inability to understand him, but all his posts come off as having very null intent to me.

Also someone was wondering if I was gonna get to 327, but I've been reading Flench as town since then so I don't really feel the need to compare the benefits of both lynches when I really want to lynch lucky, and I'm not as interested in Flench as our first lynch. That's why I was modkill-fishing though, it might make our job easier, provided the mod didn't end the day if he had modkilled, which isn't specified in his rules.

[evilpacman18]

seriously everyone not voting for either flench or lucky needs to vote in their next post.

[evilpacman18]

mod: can we request a deadline extension based on the two very recent replacements?

[evilpacman18]

you should probably put that in bold

[evilpacman18]

What town self votes?

VOTE: lucky2u

[evilpacman18]

Sorry, I didn't really notice that there, or maybe I didn't think it was as important then as it is now to answer it. Either way, it's important now.
First of all, I think Flench is doing a lot better than he was earlier in the game, and it feels scum-led to me when a wagon picks up on someone and carries on but nobody thinks it's important to pay attention to the fact that a player has improved as time passes. Especially since scum typically play worse as the wagon builds on them, isn't that the idea behind "pressure voting" (which is stupid for other reasons than that but this isn't that conversation)? The inability of the lucky2u wagon to gain any steam when he's a pretty dirty scumbag screams scum-led Flench counterwagon also.

I also like the consistency between his posts 351 and 376 where he says that he's focusing on another ongoing game more than this one, and then his posting gets better as the day in that game winds down and ends. Also if we assume that 320 is true (and he didn't care about this game because the other is more interesting) regardless of his alignment, then it looks really good that in 329 and 376, he actually tries to contribute more than he has been because if he was scum, he could probably get away with weak contribution based on his not caring about the game.

Sooo yeah I think Flench is town.
In other news, I'm not there yet but it might be possible to pull me over to the Radioactive Wolf scum read side with enough convincing. BUT I'M NOT THERE YET. I'm just closer to null than the start of the game when I had a pretty strong town read on him.

[evilpacman18]

@EPM: Don't you think it's reasonable to assume that he could have said "busy with another game, I'll more involved later" at the start rather than wait until his iso post #26 (nearly two weeks after the start of this game) to reveal this? That is the problem I have with this line of reasoning.

I can't speak for him here but in this position I would probably be in denial for a large majority of that time, promising myself that I would get to the game soon, etc. before just admitting to myself that I really don't care about it and my other game is better. Haven't you ever had a game that you just don't wanna play? You don't tell everyone you don't want to play it the second you realize that, you wait and say maybe I'll feel like playing it tomorrow, or maybe I'll feel like playing it this weekend, or in his case, maybe I'll feel like playing it when my other game hits night.

[evilpacman18]

N64, lucky or flench?

[evilpacman18]

Ugh... extension, not done much with it though.

For the record my vote isn't moving. No one in the "Flench is town" camp saw fit to answer a simple question...

Can anyone who thinks Flench is town please explain why.

So I've nothing much to add right now.

I'm not going to bother with other things right now, tomorrow will do.

Give me a reason Flench is scum. His iso reads consistency, both in posting style, vote choices, and everything inbetween. He responded to most everyone at one time or another as has even established town reads. He's not scum, get over it.

Do you think the Flench wagon is scum-led or at least has like one scum on it or is it all misled town?

[evilpacman18]

Who do you think it is then?

[evilpacman18]

I agree. I've been known to hammer town reads in this situation, D1 no lynch < D1 mislynch I think but this isn't even a mislynch.

[evilpacman18]

hmm.

[evilpacman18]

No way. No town vig in their right mind would kill AJ over mnemonic or RC or something. Limited-shot SK for sure.

[evilpacman18]

EPM, sad thing is I actually highly doubt he's a SK for a few reasons; 1) Limited shot SK is insanely hard to balance and really never seen in a mini normal (Feel free to find me a game of it occurring because in 60 or so games I've observed there hasn't been one), 2) I don't think a SK would outright claim in the thread with no provocation since it would instantly increase the odds of them getting nightkilled by the mafia and 3) I kind of buy him being stubborn town that didn't think through his choice too much other than "I scum read him I ignore everyone!".

ugh yeah I thought about it after my post and came to the 2nd and 3rd conclusion myself. :/

theo, what an arrogant, ignorant kill. that was terrible.

[evilpacman18]

Will vote for Theomoaner, EPM (the two votes I was pushing at the beginning) or Feelit.

do you not believe theo's claim then?

[evilpacman18]

Am I the only one that really hates N64's Post 531?

Feel It, you didn't answer my question; Why did you instantly assume SK?

No, it's pretty bad, I mentioned yesterday that I was leaning scum on him after my re-read. I'm waiting for everyone to get in before I really figure out who I think we should lynch today but he's a candidate.

[evilpacman18]

525 is also an awfully scummy post that shouldn't be overlooked.
I pretty much ignored Feel It yesterday, will have to evaluate him soon.

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: RadioactiveWolf

I'm not 100% sure of his claim but I think it's too risky to lynch him today.

Why, he has no shots left

[evilpacman18]

theo, what an arrogant, ignorant kill. that was terrible.

Just because you disagree with my choice does not make it any of these.
(Good job I stepped back for ten minutes before commenting on this.)

Uh yeah, a bunch of other things make it both of those.
I'm seriously stunned at that kill, Jesus.

[evilpacman18]

Why, he has no shots left

What does this have to do with how lynchable I am?

Well I figured by risky, he was just saying killing a claimed town PR could really hurt.

[evilpacman18]

I mean seriously. How could you not kill mnemonic? He's TEXTBOOK vig-bait, like he couldn't possibly have been a more perfect kill choice. I considered saying this yesterday but decided against because of how painfully obvious it freaking was.

[evilpacman18]

I'm coaching you too.

[evilpacman18]

lol your scum reads are so off the mark I'm pretty much confirmed town now.

[evilpacman18]

Uh I gave a reason for the first one and if you couldn't tell I was just being snarky about the second one (I was just sniping at you, it had nothing to do with him) then there's just no hope here.

[evilpacman18]

blow your load on night 1 at AJ?

really

[evilpacman18]

oh wait no nvm, I shouldn't question your posting, as much as it deserves a 'that's what she said,' people might think I'm coaching you.

[evilpacman18]

breadcrumbing vig is totally useless, you as SK would, essentially, have confirmation that there is no vig.

[evilpacman18]

N64, why did you accuse lucky of "scum behavior" but not help at all with lynching him when deadline was looming?

theo, don't be so dull, even Flench got it.

[evilpacman18]

^

@lucky your scum behavior has had more to do with you not hunting and sitting on the fence when an oppurtunity to talk about a wagon came up, rather than a public attempt to distance from feel it, or for that matter, radioactive and cowbells. If you want to add that to the bad things you've done go ahead and be my guest.

[evilpacman18]

N64Lord- Just can't read him.

Has there been any progress here?

[evilpacman18]

408 isn't scummy at all.

What the fuck?

EXACTLY

[evilpacman18]

@Impetus I'm saying that feel it's posts make me suspect scum on him but *cough* one of the people who defended him did so in a way that makes me think they are a town PR *wheeze*
@evilpacman I contributed to the lynch by making posts against lucky, but he was at l-1 before I was in a state to move my vote, and I wasn't the fastest person to hammer after his claim. Who are you constantly reminding that you are "basically" conf town; the lurkers.... or yourself?
I shouldn't be listening to my imagination when I have the whole ISO of not hunting, dredging up irrelevent stuff, and taking the most likely stand on wagons without bringing anything new to them. VOTE: feel it

So Impetus, is this bussing or are we wrong on one of them?

[evilpacman18]

I could see bussing based on the tunnelly feel.

[evilpacman18]

But it also seems a bit premature.

[evilpacman18]

What the. Whaaaat? Massclaim? Wh-why???

[evilpacman18]

We have a dead jailkeeper which means no doc. If scum target him, we'll know because there won't be a kill.

[evilpacman18]

If he's an SK I mean

[evilpacman18]

Me: do you think this or that?
Impetus: yes but no

[evilpacman18]

^and to think, he could've been vigged

[evilpacman18]

Really? Can we not do this?

[evilpacman18]

Just hold the hell on, I'm gonna tunnel the shit out of whoever hammers Feel It tomorrow. Look at that voting group, it's godawful and I'm so much more sure on N64 than I was at the start of the day just based on him bwing at the head of this. If you all really need a case, I was gonna write something up when I get home before I saw the position we're in, but now I feel like I need to point out that it's of utmlst important that we don't lynch Feel It, who's a hapless VI, and go into D3 with two policy mislynches and the most idiotic vig kill since Michael shot Libby in the second season of Lost.

[evilpacman18]

Flench is scum too god dammit, look at that vote "I had a town read on you this whole time but now you're not helping so instead of ignoring you I'm gonna lynch you when we have 3 dead town in a single day"

?????????????????????????

[evilpacman18]

Also typos because phoneposting, sorry.

Being*
Utmost*
Importance*

[evilpacman18]

that is definitely what I said.

I'm so glad you agree

[evilpacman18]

Let's get this party started then

vote: N64Lord

Posts full of null intent, being at the head of a disastrous looking wagon, being kind of omgussy and inconsistent, his case on Feel It is mostly that he's not doing anything which is 1) obvious, 2) not scummy, and 3) indicative of his selection of an easy target because there's a lot of people who have "not hunted, put off commenting on wagons, given a list that assigns people as scum or town reads without mentioning posts that make them scum/town" and N64 isn't attacking them all.

[evilpacman18]

Also
"Flench = scum" in that post about Feel It is a Freudian scum slip of epic proportions and shouldn't have been ignored when it happened.

[evilpacman18]

If that's the case and N64 and Flench are town, it makes mnemonic confirmed town for 596-7. The irony would be beautiful.

[evilpacman18]

Overly paranoid that I've caught you Flench? If you'd paid attention you'd notice that I wasn't even talking about your posting, I'm saying your buddy accidentally sold himself and you both out with the slip at the end of 578

[evilpacman18]

You know what would help me associate you and him less? You helping me lynch him!

[evilpacman18]

EPM, I don't think "Mixing up names" is a scum tell when names like Radiant / Radioactive or Flench / Feel It are similar. For instance Feel It mixed up people in Post 428. Also ugh the following line from N64's last post kind of reads town, want your opinion on it though:

I'm starting to think that I was the only person who expected lucky2u to flip scum

, and I just want to know why you people won't argue against something, but assume you can take credit for knowing a player's alignment after a mislynch?

The post kinda reads town sure, but it's not enough for me. If he caught on to the similarity between the lucky2u and Feel It wagon, which anyone could do, it'd make sense for him to pull that as scum. I know that sounds kinda tunnelly and if you've completely swayed to a town read on N64, I'm happy to listen to what you'd rather do instead, but my vote stays for now.

[evilpacman18]

sigh.

I don't know what to do.

unvote
vote: Feel It

One of you is scum.

[evilpacman18]

Nope, feel it is town too.

unvote
vote: Flench

[evilpacman18]

fuck it, he can't be allowed to live

vote: mnemonicdevice

[evilpacman18]

town, help me out here.

[evilpacman18]

You seem to have it all figured out.

obviously not, but hey I'm trying, when was the last time you did anything besides post fluff or defend yourself?

[evilpacman18]

fuck it, he can't be allowed to live

vote: mnemonicdevice

What is your reasoning on me being scum?

I DON'T HAVE ANY THAT'S WHAT SUCKS
I just know the longer you're alive, the more of a disaster it will be for everything.


But really, I'd prefer to lynch scum. Everyone, opinions on Flench?

[evilpacman18]

help me lynch MD, he's a much worse case of the exact same thing.

[evilpacman18]

I am not trying

[evilpacman18]

Oh. Happy scumday to me. 3 years woo

[evilpacman18]

Welp guess we're lynching MD for sure.
Two week V/LA lol.
This game.

[evilpacman18]

Don't steal my words scumbag

[evilpacman18]

vote: Flench

*shrug

[evilpacman18]

I just have this problem where I want to lynch everybody

[evilpacman18]

vote: Flench

[evilpacman18]

Oh wait I already am lol. I though Slandaar was telling me to do it

[evilpacman18]

Well. I'm alreay voting today's lynch so I guess my work is done here. See you all tomorrow.

[evilpacman18]

EPM, why Flench?

Just iso me and ctrl+f "Flench" and you'll see the evolution of my read on him.

[evilpacman18]

It's mostly based on his play today. I mean I defended him as town yesterday. Part of it is PoE because I don't wanna lynch N64 or Feel It as much anymore, and because MD just doesn't feel like a safe lynch. Part of it is trusting my town read who have scum reads on Flench.
If you want something in his actual posting, look at stuff like his 612, which just doesn't read like town play AT ALL to me, it's so opportunistic and contradictory. He's stopped scumhunting except for OMGUS and has only been defending himself lately, I think it's scummy when people lose sight of their main goal as someone who claims to be town, which is finding scum. Aaand yeah. Just vote him.

[evilpacman18]

It was the hammer, Desperado missed N64's vote.

[evilpacman18]

Actually N64 violated voting rule 1.

[evilpacman18]

This is exactly why we're not lynching MD. He's been easy mislynch bait all game.
Phone posting - bbl

[evilpacman18]

vote: Feel It

762: absolves himself of responsibility for taking long to vote Flench, but if you look at his posts, everything besides his weirdly intense (try-hard distancing) RVS vote and his actual vote on Flench yesterday indicates he thinks Flench is town.

768: Knows exactly why Slandaar died??? Except he wasn't even the one who got Flench lynched, I had at least as much to do with that and so did a couple other people.

770: IIRC Feel It has had a scum read on MD the whole game, but if that's the case it doesn't explain why he didn't vote him in either of the last two posts and instead waited until he had the OPPORTUNITY to get away with it, because a bunch of people did it in such a short time.

[evilpacman18]

Play to your wincon please. Whichever wincon you have, THAT is not doing it.

[evilpacman18]

Guise, activity activity! Imma inject some blood into this here thread

Yes please!

Titus' slot claimed when theo was in it but Titus didn't mention that all of yesterday, which I wish he had just so I could've been sure. He claimed one-shot vig after the stupidest kill on AJ. Nobody countered. That and the dead JK are likely all the town PRs.

[evilpacman18]

Also I'm disappointed in your description of me.

[evilpacman18]

I'm still down to lynch Feel It. Nothing in the vote counts says they can't be on scum. In fact, of particular interest is the lucky wagon, which has three dead town on it, me who is town but you don't know that, Flench in the scummiest spot possible, (how did we miss that) and RC who I'm reading as town but I guess could be scum. I'm leaning to Flench and Feel It being the two scum on that and then N64 being the one off of it.

[evilpacman18]

Why would weeeee?

[evilpacman18]

The question really is who needs to be policy lynched more.
I still think Feel It

[evilpacman18]

woo

[evilpacman18]

vote: no lynch

[evilpacman18]

Kill N64 if I die.
If I don't die I'll just tell you to kill N64 tomorrow.

[evilpacman18]

Gtfo

[evilpacman18]

no lynch has already been reached.

[evilpacman18]

Yeah but it doesn't count if one also says, "If I don't die, still kill X."
So basically I'm town and MD is scum with N64.

[evilpacman18]

Bodyguard and jailkeeper are never in the same setup. That's a scum claim.

[evilpacman18]

No lynch is still the best option for today, we should absolutely mass claim tomorrow, if there's an aggressive PR (cop, tracker, etc.) then we absolutely lynch MD, I was confused on the exact definition of a bodyguard and although I still think MD is lying, it's sliiiiightly more plausible to have that. Still, I really doubt there'd just be two protective PRs.

[evilpacman18]

Well it's a good thing MD claimed scum already.

[evilpacman18]

Fuck eeeeeh idk, I feel like MD doesn't have the autonomy to fake claim. And with a vig, MAAAAAYBE multiple protecting roles make sense but god, ugh. Idk.
I know it's N64 and someone.

Nononono. It has to be MD. That can't be a real claim!

Ehdowpalabwrcvtlgcnsailqqgsbnf

[evilpacman18]

MD claim your protects for each night

[evilpacman18]

see that's such a fucking ridiculous answer that I almost have to believe it.

[evilpacman18]

oh look, N64 and MD setting up, in successive posts, to lynch me?
WHAT A COINCIDENCE

[evilpacman18]

Oh look, N64 pops in just to make an accusation but doesn't even address the legitimacy of MD's claim or how ridiculous 891 is?
WHAT A COINCIDENCE

[evilpacman18]

I had an idea. MD if you're town you have to sacrifice yourself tonight.

Alive:
N64
NSin
TIP
me
MD

So we lynch N64 today, then YOU HAVE ONE NIGHT TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE TOWN, BY PROTECTING THE RIGHT PERSON SO THAT YOU GET KILLED INSTEAD OF HIM.

I'm not even gonna get into the WIFOM of who will be killed, just if you're town use your intuition.
And then if the living three players come into tomorrow and MD is one of them, lynch MD.

TIP, thanks for seeing that reason, I didn't even think about it except for the fact that I don't wanna vote yet which I guess does prove me town in the situation. Because of the above plan, I'd rather lynch N64. Thoughts?

[evilpacman18]

It's not gonna be something that leaves us 100% sure of whether he's town or not, but I think if we lynch N64 today, which we really really should, it gives him one more chance to prove that he's town. I'm just trying to account for the possibility of you or NSin being scum.

[evilpacman18]

Not interested in allowing me to account for the possibility of you being scum?

GG.

TIP and N64 are scum.

[evilpacman18]

look at you, you're trying for every possible mislynch.

[evilpacman18]

Your lynching zeal is a total giveaway.
It's lylo and you just made two votes in 5 posts, including one where you criticized someone for voting prematurely. =\

[evilpacman18]

Of course my plan is flawed but it has potential, and coming with a flawed plan is only evidence of me trying, there's nothing scummy about it.
I'm not even flip-flopping. N64 is scum, I've been saying that, and I'm uncertain about MD, I've been saying that.
I'm a god damn paragon of consistency, you just displayed a double-standard for yourself and MD.
That's scummy.

[evilpacman18]

god damn it N64 is gonna hammer me.

[evilpacman18]

MD please unvote, I'm sorry for doubting you but I trust you now, I have it figured out.

[evilpacman18]

NSin help =(

[evilpacman18]

MD GET IN HERE AND UNVOTE PLEASE

[evilpacman18]

I guess this is the good thing about N64 rarely bein present. Time to change things.

[evilpacman18]

Well at least I was right.

[evilpacman18]

If only people heard me on N64.

[evilpacman18]

Your slot is definitely scum MVP though

[evilpacman18]

Impetus looked so town to me

[evilpacman18]

not even the playstyle of players or town fear. I hate to say it, but it was definitely the player list's general incompetence that caused it.

[evilpacman18]

Half the people that joined had no business leaving the newbie queue.

[evilpacman18]

Punish lurkers???? EVERY LURKER WAS TOWN! I was right!

[evilpacman18]

N64 and Flench were hardly the most criminal lurkers and tybalt was replaced with one of the most active players in the game.
Meanwhile, MD, Feel It, me, RC, jon, and lucky2u, the biggest lurkers (I did try, to be fair to myself) were all town.

[evilpacman18]

MD just outta curiosity, would you actually have unvoted if you'd gotten here before N64?

[evilpacman18]

uh if we're gonna assign blame, I think it should be on theomoaner. just saying.