Mini 1543--Natirasha's On Parole!(Game Over)
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So, can someo ne tell me why there are no wagons on (Idiotking, Aronis)?-
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PBPA of his ISO
187- SSK and Four Trouble are town. No elaboration, instead votes muffin without any reason behind it.
203- He lists all 3 main-ish wagons as the most likely to be scum. There's no real sign of trying to figure out anyones alignment.'
228- They've been voted most for a reason. They're just suspicious. He's changing his story and backtracking all over the place
280- Backtracks on 2 of his scumreads (at least), shares no other information, adds nothing to the game.
295- (Side note: Scum have daytalk? Looks like a scumslip imo). Defends himself without adding anything to discuss.
345- When Aronis flips scum I'm coming back to this because it looks like a chainsaw. The entirety of that post is to call Ross null.
353- This kinda looks town, I'll grant that.
391- This looks like a scumclaim imo. He's trying to blend in and do nothing to help so after we lynch his sorry ass we'll have nothing to go on. What's the town motivation for blending in?
602- Votes Selkies when he's said Selkies is suspicious all game, after he unvotes like 300 posts before.
He's hardcore lurking and trying to sit in the background and push popular wagons in an attempt to blend in and survive.-
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So, after we lynch Aronis and he flips scum?In post 650, zMuffinMan wrote:
noIn post 640, notscience wrote:Cabd after we lynch scum-aronis can we lynch the everliving fuck out of IdiotKing
but remind me to come back to this at a later stage and talk about what i think this means if any of you, aronis or idiotking ever flip scum
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In post 633, FourTrouble wrote:
The narrative you tell doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't see what's inherently scummy about trying to "blend in and survive." I think weak players often put more energy as town into surviving instead of finding the scum.In post 629, notscience wrote:PBPA of his ISO
187- SSK and Four Trouble are town. No elaboration, instead votes muffin without any reason behind it.
203- He lists all 3 main-ish wagons as the most likely to be scum. There's no real sign of trying to figure out anyones alignment.'
228- They've been voted most for a reason. They're just suspicious. He's changing his story and backtracking all over the place
280- Backtracks on 2 of his scumreads (at least), shares no other information, adds nothing to the game.
295- (Side note: Scum have daytalk? Looks like a scumslip imo). Defends himself without adding anything to discuss.
345- When Aronis flips scum I'm coming back to this because it looks like a chainsaw. The entirety of that post is to call Ross null.
353- This kinda looks town, I'll grant that.
391- This looks like a scumclaim imo. He's trying to blend in and do nothing to help so after we lynch his sorry ass we'll have nothing to go on. What's the town motivation for blending in?
602- Votes Selkies when he's said Selkies is suspicious all game, after he unvotes like 300 posts before.
He's hardcore lurking and trying to sit in the background and push popular wagons in an attempt to blend in and survive.
187 and 203 are things both alignments do, all the time.
228 - How is he changing his story? The post looked genuine to me, something town would say.
So it went from they're most likely to be scum to "they're just a bit suspicious" It's kinda like going from a scumread to a 3/4 null 1/4 scum read without any justification. It's like he came under heat and "Oh nah man it's just a nullscum"
280 - There is nothing scummy about changing your opinion. He explains the logic behind his reads, and it looks more like town given his level of competence (clearly not very high).
There was no logic behind his Selkies read yet he avoids voting Selkies altogether. Does competence level imply alignment in your opinion?
295 - We know scum have daytalk cause of the rules. It isn't a scumslip. He further explains his change in opinion, which in retrospect was a very natural and fluid change in opinion.
Oh, missed that. Okay, I can agree on this point.
345 - What do you mean this is a chainsaw defense? To me, this post was pretty town. I don't see scum responding to my request for thoughts on Ross.
Why wouldn't they? By that, I mean pseudo-attacking the person suggesting ross being scum. Hell, Ross's vote on his wagon atm looks most like a bus vote.
353 - Why does this look town?
Self defeatism is becoming a more and more prominent town trait. This post read as genuine frustration.
391 - The town motivation is surviving. He explains it in the post. It makes a lot of sense, given his level of competence.
Again, scum newbies are worried about the SAME thing.
602 - I don't see it persuasive in either direction. It's not a strong post, but his explanation doesn't really look contrived.
It looks kinda contrived to me.In post 708, FourTrouble wrote:notscience, I have a few more questions for you.
1. Why are 197 and 230 town posts? (zMuffin)
197 isn't one of his posts, which you actually referring to? As for 230, I fully agreed that Cabd was letting him off too easy. See below for my thoughts about aligned thoughts.
2. Why are 255 and 258 town posts? (Katsuki)
Go to her ISO. Any posts within 5 (of non-ISO) in there are posts that matched my thoughts at that point of the game EXACTLY. Same thoughts generally=same alignment, no?
3. Why is idiotking scum? There should be more to your answer than just, "because he's voting SSK." Is there some meta informing your read?
He's parked his vote all day, provided some IIoA walls while doing the bare minimum and parking his vote on a pseudo-PL. No meta, first time I've played with him.
4. What do you think of SSK? Town or scum? If scum, why do you have a problem with idiotking? If town, how does that reconcile with your read on Aronis?
Town, but not as strong as my Bert or muffin or katsuki. Not particularly sure what you mean about the reconciliation.-
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When you feel better I want to talk to youIn post 736, Katsuki wrote:kinda sick and forgot about game iwll post someday maybe-
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In post 792, Idiotking wrote:As for pure scumhunting, I use logic tells, POE, and NK analysis mostly. Emotion and tone are only rarely useful to me, because both town and scum are people, and will have emotional responses regardless. They may help gut reads, but since I don't like gut reads for aforementioned reasons, I don't look at them, unless they are "elephant in the room" levels of major.
The emotional reactions and the tone are both different in town vs scum. There are several people who you can catch based on these (I use them for ETL, everyone did for Sakura, people do it for Bert). I use PoE too, but Logic tells don't really work in the current meta. Neither does NK analysis (as much as I wish it did, I fucking love NK analysis)
Does that answer your question?-
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In post 793, notscience wrote:In post 792, Idiotking wrote:As for pure scumhunting, I use logic tells, POE, and NK analysis mostly. Emotion and tone are only rarely useful to me, because both town and scum are people, and will have emotional responses regardless. They may help gut reads, but since I don't like gut reads for aforementioned reasons, I don't look at them, unless they are "elephant in the room" levels of major.
The emotional reactions and the tone are both different in town vs scum. There are several people who you can catch based on these (I use them for ETL, everyone did for Sakura, people do it for Bert). I use PoE too, but Logic tells don't really work in the current meta. Neither does NK analysis (as much as I wish it did, I fucking love NK analysis)
Does that answer your question?Spoiler: Inthread Mason Chat for Bert's eyes only-
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I would be okay with a ross lynch for this line aloneIn post 967, RossWilliam wrote:That said, what if there is no neighborhood and those three are the scum team? it's a genious way to save Aronis from all the attention he was getting. I'm not entirely serious about this, just what if?-
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Moreso how it was the most badly transparently scumfucky read ever.In post 1031, Cabd wrote:
That burden of proficiency made you a scumfuck? (Because it did)In post 1029, notscience wrote:Hey Cabd
You remember what you told me about my stance on you in FEA?
If I read Ross's scumread on me correctly, he's scumreading me for replacing in.-
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He's been town for pagesIn post 1065, Selkies wrote:It wouldn't be a day 1 without some Bert paranoia. That pretty much seals my town read. :/-
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In post 1070, Selkies wrote: Notsci hasn't pestered me nearly enough about how obvtown he is.I could pester you in every single post I make if you'd like that-
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I'm making an ubercool townbloc, isn't it implied?In post 1072, Selkies wrote:heh. Why aren't you, though?
jk, not really sure why not though-
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