Mini 1706 - Pula Mafia (over)

[Lalendra]

Ohai. I'll be reading after work.

[Lalendra]

Welp, I'm in a lot of games again.

Does that mean you're setting up a pre-emptive excuse to lurk? o_O

VOTE: Grib

[Lalendra]

Mala and Atum are town.

I'm...not immediately townreading elusive. That could be something.

If catboi tries to fly under the radar, I'm going to kill him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lalendra

Eat my omgus.

Also, I remember you. I think I was 100% convinced you were scum in a game where Aronis was outed and then I was completely confused when you flipped town.

The OMGUS was expected. And yes, I couldnt remember the exact circumstances of that game, and was too lazy to look it up, but that sounds familiar.

[Lalendra]

Grib, you should know by now I'm always town

Bella, as per request.

These RQS questions are not for any purpose but a bit of socialization and friendliness. Town would probably answer them out of love, kindness and because town is beautiful in nature.

1. Sweet or salty?
2. Favorite word of all time?
3. Who have you played with before and describe them in one word.
4. Link to the most recent complete town or scum game

Thank you

1. Sweet
2. I have too many (English major)
3. Grib - surprising
4. I am far too lazy to look for it atm and am on my phone. But I will look it up and post it tomorrow.

[Lalendra]

Catboi grib has a bunch of exp with me tbh so the early read on me doesnt bother me that much

I gathered as much, it just doesn't really matter because there's no way hose reads come that quickly from a legitimate thought process, whereas they would come quick from someone looking to get their foot in the door and seem town

Actually...when you play a lot with certain people and they are devious then you can figure that out. Maybe. So, I want to know why you claimed miller with no pressure. What is the thought process? Where\when has this strategy been useful? Why?

Same here, I don't understand the reasoning behind it. It's very suspicious, and yet I see no benefit to doing this as scum, which is the only reason I'm holding off on voting.

[Lalendra]

Just out of curiosity, as someone who doesn't have much experience with millers - what is the benefit to claiming miller right out the gate? That makes you a target for the first NK so why do it at all? I'm inclined to believe he is town and not scum, based on his response and the fact that, holy shit he's right, that is an accepted strategy; I just don't get it.

[Lalendra]

As far as I'm concerned, the only logical time to claim miller is if there's a wagon building on you and you're trying to convince town that you aren't scum; as Catboi pointed out, you're less likely to be believed then, but it seems to me that claiming early is more likely to result in a mislynch than doing nothing.

[Lalendra]

The benefit is that a cop doesn't waste an investigation on you and doesn't have to out himself for getting a guilty. A miller isn't useful to town, as he has no other abilities, so losing this PR is not really a bad thing for town.

It could result in a mislynch, yes, but if there's a cop, he will remain safe this way.

Will he? or will this just out the fact that there is a cop in the game, which scum might not otherwise have realized D1?

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, where is your vote and why?

Vote on Grib was semi-serious RVS. I don't have a scumread on him at the moment. I tend to believe Catboi's miller claim. As for the rest, y'all are sketchy AF.

[Lalendra]

I don't know why but I start to get sleepy whenever I read Lalendra's posts, I thought I should just mention that. But yeah besides this

semi-serious RVS

Which made me cringe, nothing jumping out at me, so null.

Why? Because you see it as an oxymoron, or for some other reason?

Also not understanding how catboi's objection to the flavor nonsense makes him town, both town and scum are equally likely to get annoyed by a given modding style.

In regards to your question about the miller claim, I understand the strategy behind it to some degree, but it still isn't how I would have approached it.

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, where is your vote and why?

Vote on Grib was semi-serious RVS. I don't have a scumread on him at the moment. I tend to believe Catboi's miller claim. As for the rest, y'all are sketchy AF.

would you kindly elaborate on, "y'all sketchy AF"?.

Joking.

[Lalendra]

vote:Grib

I guess

@mod: Votecount pls

Why vote before getting the vc? That seems a little reckless.

Scorp was riding catboi awfully hard, and I am inclined to believe catboi is town, so this makes me suspicious of scorp. Yet I would hate to lose a power role like that, and I can buy the noob argument to an extent. At the same time, if he really is town, he's dead tonight anyway.

[Lalendra]

@grib

: I can't find a scum-game of yours.
Help please

What's your follow up on this?

thanks for the link though, even if i didn't find much useful

the game was oldish and I didn't find anything relevant either way.

@elusive: what are you thinking about Lalendra so?
I was considering voting her due to little content but thought the stuff she did provide seems kinda town.

I hate hate hate lynching people due to activity level. I just really don't think it's alignment indicative. But I am not the only one who hasn't posted much, so what made you want to lynch me over others?

P-edit, @super: RVS vote was mostly joking, hut also a commentary on how people are so quick to lynch based on activity level, as above.

[Lalendra]

I don't really like Lalendra. I just went and ISO'd her. I'm not really seeing much scum hunting on that end. More so noise about the miller claim etc, not much reads, pressure etc.

Kind of feel like trying to sort the miller claim, and therefore understand and evaluate everyone else's reactions to it, particularly when there hasn't been jack else to analyze, is about as scum-hunty as you can get. What scumhunting have you done thus far? What makes your approach more towny than mine?

[Lalendra]

Why vote before getting the vc? That seems a little reckless.

This is an odd question..

Odd how? If you're asking for the vote count, it means you're not sure where everyone is at. Why would you vote without knowing if you were about to hammer someone?

[Lalendra]

Yeah well I have way more experience than you SB9, not to be insulting or anything there.

I am really reluctant to lynch the 'weak doc' on d1. Because that is (kinda) super strong, but if it's true that's our protective AND our investigate role it one shot. The miller and the WD CC's each other sadly. So if one flips we can reevaluate the other.

If IF IF Susp does flip scum then I'm thinking mafia likely has daytalk & we have an experienced player coaching him because it pretty much looks like he called catboi out from the start. I mean Susp could be an evil mastermind scum player too, but I like to think all of the above.

hahahahaha there is no way this is not attempting to line up chain lynches on town

UNVOTE:

Did I miss something? If mala is lining up chain lynches on town why not vote her??

[Lalendra]

Ok,catboi so I make a mistake and remedy it.. You still have problems, yes I find your claim bullshit..

I think you are scum, I think claiming miller makes it super convinient for you to install a defense. If you get investigated you can just be like "see, I claimed miller". If they even investigate you.. Frankly I dont understand why all scum doesn't do that.

Scenario A- the potential cop buys your claim. Leaves you alone and you skate.

Scenario B- they investigate you,you come up guilty,but have your fake claim installed as a defense,its lazy..

Now you just use shitty piss poor excuses to vote me..

so now its a legit vote.VOTE: catboi

Why did you vote him, then unvote him because you were pressured to, even though you thought he was scum, and then vote him again? If you were so confident, why didn't you keep your vote on him? Someone else already mentioned that scorp seems fairly pleasy, this is just weird.

VOTE: scorpious

[Lalendra]

@catboi - Didn't realize I had quoted it before, it jumped out at me on reread. I think my progression on your claim was pretty logical and natural. Not sure how defending myself against a scum read due to activity level is scummy. I'm still town reading you though, no omgus, I think you're genuinely trying to suss things out and that's fine.

[Lalendra]

Ugh, I really want scorpious lynched, but I will take a gray lynch over no lynch. Not my biggest scumread, but has posted a whole lot of nothing. Like I said, I dont think inactivity is alignkent indicative, but gray's iso reads like active lurking.

Was there a recent vc and deadline? If not can we get one?

[Lalendra]

Ok nvm, last one was 306, definitely outdated now.

@mod, vc plz.

[Lalendra]

Definitely would not have seen that coming. Grayfoxxx was my second scum read.

Mala, why elusive?

[Lalendra]

Ughh, Mala was looking scummy to me too, but then so was Foxx, so now I'm just not sure what to think. EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE

[Lalendra]

lalendra, selectively quoting my iso is remarkable

Wait what? When did I do that?

[Lalendra]

well tbh i don't exactly like the fact we are risking lynching a pr that's a variant of a doc and a cop in one shot.

i mean feel free to strongarm my lynch D2 if he flips scum, but i'm sure as hell not going to support that lynch

I'm feeling Mala over elusive, for this and other reasons. Someone convince me otherwise.

[Lalendra]

I have no idea how to read that. What are you trying to say?

[Lalendra]

Being wrong doesn't mean you're scum.
Mala was only trying to protect a possible PR. I don't see why that is scummy at all.

It wasn't just that. It was a combination of that, soft-pushing wagons away from scorp, 370 reading very much like a bus, her pushing me and catboi while continually defending scorp, and the weird elusive vote without any explanation besides "interactions and stuff", as well as the post I quoted above. My scum reads previously were scorp, gray and Mala, in descending order of confidence; I was right about scorp, wrong about gray, and on the fence about Mala.

[Lalendra]

Also noteworthy was Scorp's 368 which is a fairly lengthy attack on mala, thinking that reads far more like a legit attack on her rather than a bus, contrasts strongly with him basically ignoring elu, typical mistake of inexperienced scum is to basically ignore their partners

I can buy that. These two points, combined with the lack of any real defense, are enough for me to vote.

VOTE: elusive

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, what's your case on Mala exactly? You claim you had a scum read on him on day 1, but I can't find any reference to it.

You're right, I don't think I mentioned it d1. I was focused on analyzing the miller claim, and once I decided it was legit, lynching Scorp. I typed up all my points against mala during N1 and then fucking lost it all, so I'll type it up again later.

[Lalendra]

Welp, I'm in a lot of games again.

Does that mean you're setting up a pre-emptive excuse to lurk? o_O

VOTE: Grib

Uh okay. <____< remind me later when I'm not hyped up on caffeine if I don't like this post the way I do now then.

Never explained why she didnt like this.

I am really reluctant to lynch the 'weak doc' on d1. Because that is (kinda) super strong, but if it's true that's our protective AND our investigate role it one shot. The miller and the WD CC's each other sadly. So if one flips we can reevaluate the other.

Going against scorp lynch, even though I feel like we were all fairly certain that scorp was scum at that point.

eh fuck it

VOTE: catboi

Voted claimed town role.

Mala/elu why do we have to choose between the two? Haven't they both claimed a town roles?

I can lynch you instead if you like.

Used a threat instead of actually explaining her reasoning.

well tbh i don't exactly like the fact we are risking lynching a pr that's a variant of a doc and a cop in one shot.

i mean feel free to strongarm my lynch D2 if he flips scum, but i'm sure as hell not going to support that lynch

Again trying to push suspicion off of scorp and using his weak-ass claim as an excuse.

VOTE: scorp

because right now i give two fucks about anything.

the DL is coming up and the wagon doesn't want to get off of you

so i really dont give a fuck

ill lynch you over a no lynch anyday,

Finally sheeped his wagon, despite still not being convinced he was scum. If mala really believed his claim, as the earlier posts appear to indicate, this is anti-town at best.

VOTE: elusive

Interactions etc

This vote, with no reasoning whatsoever.

I'm not trying to push a mala wagon over the elusive one, necessarily, as I'm not completely convinced she is scum; I'm just explaining the reasoning for my suspicions.

[Lalendra]

Hmm, that's interesting.

Banakai, any defense?

[Lalendra]

About the Mala case:
It's pretty weak I think, but since you're not voting her over it, I suppose it's fine. Can you explain how voting Scorp's town role claim is different from voting Catboi's town role claim?

she made a big deal out of seeming to believe scorp's claim, then wagoned him anyway, which struck me as very odd. Voting catboi also seemed scummy because he was claimed (and at that point I think fairly well accepted) town, but the scorp thing struck me as defending a scum buddy, then busing when it was clear that she wasn't going to be able to stop the wagon.

[Lalendra]

vote:Grib

I guess

@mod: Votecount pls

Why vote before getting the vc? That seems a little reckless.

Scorp was riding catboi awfully hard, and I am inclined to believe catboi is town, so this makes me suspicious of scorp. Yet I would hate to lose a power role like that, and I can buy the noob argument to an extent. At the same time, if he really is town, he's dead tonight anyway.

Looks to me like you had the same reasoning Mala had at this time, only to vote Scorpious later.

VOTE: Lalendra

I think I might pursue this for now.

P-Edit: right on time, I guess? I have no interest in elusive.

The difference between my vote and hers was that I carefully considered his utility and the likelihood of him being scum, and eventually my initial caution have way to me being convinced of his scumminess. You can see a pretty logical progression in my posts, I think. Mala, on the other hand, seemed to be defending him right up until she wasn't, with no explanation for the sudden shift.

I don't think even if elusive came back that she'd have much to say, she gave up defending herself, which is not great for town right now.

[Lalendra]

If she was town, that is, and this is another reason why I don't think she is. Sorry, tired, that post was poorly worded.

[Lalendra]

I have to reread maxous, I don't remember anything super scummy, but I don't remember much he said at all, which is a problem in and of itself.

Maxous - U scum, bro? Defend yourself, plz&ty.

[Lalendra]

Sorry I've been quiet, work has been crazy. Will read and respond tomorrow.

[Lalendra]

Hmm, that's interesting.

Banakai, any defense?

I have to reread maxous, I don't remember anything super scummy, but I don't remember much he said at all, which is a problem in and of itself.

Maxous - U scum, bro? Defend yourself, plz&ty.

Also noteworthy was Scorp's 368 which is a fairly lengthy attack on mala, thinking that reads far more like a legit attack on her rather than a bus, contrasts strongly with him basically ignoring elu, typical mistake of inexperienced scum is to basically ignore their partners

I can buy that. These two points, combined with the lack of any real defense, are enough for me to vote.

VOTE: elusive

The combination of these 3 posts is bothering me.

How so?

[Lalendra]

Also, might as well say: intent to hammer st. constantine

Gah, you beat me to it.

[Lalendra]

Did not see that coming with Atum. I like FB's point, Mala and Maxous are almost 100% town. I believe Catboi's town claim, so that leaves me, super, bella and FB. I don't necessarily believe Catboi's argument that scum wouldn't divert from a mislynch to bus a buddy, if it was a lost cause they very well may. So I will need to take a very close look at super, bella and FB's ISO.

[Lalendra]

Really need to do some ISO scouring tonight, but I would love to hear from Bella. We are 2 for 2 with good lynches, really don't want to mess this one up.

[Lalendra]

That response feels town to me. Scum would be trying way too hard to push a competing wagon over their own, imo.

[Lalendra]

Didnt realize it had been so long since i posted. I am okay with the bella lynch, she ducked out hard and her lack of response reads like a lone scum who has basically given up on the game.