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Anyone who uses emojis is scum, that's why.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 15, Garmr wrote:mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.
VOTE: mattp
@aero
What's slightly scummy about it?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 20, iraonavp wrote:
Yes, my name is clearly an anagram of "nova pair"! Congratulate yourself on this revelatory discovery.
I thought it was Pirao van, personally.
In post 21, Garmr wrote:In post 17, MattP wrote:In post 15, Garmr wrote:mattp has a slight scummy response going to serious vote him.
What was that?
The fact he asked why over something rvs that didn't need much explaining. I don't know how to put this into words but was there any reason to ask why for something rvs like. Just seems a bit you know.
Makes sense, let's do it.
VOTE: Mattp2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 57, iraonavp wrote:In post 49, MattP wrote:Forgive me, I'm on ambien that I swallowed a few minutes before this wagon started
I don't know how I should feel about this, considering that he has mentioned his usage of Ambien in previous games and it probably affects his judgement and behavior. It may not necessarily account for what he has posted here, though. I would definitely like to retain the pressure on his wagon and hear more from MattP once he becomes unaffected by his medication.
I'm going to go with that the medication is null. Honestly, I'd personally prefer people don't talk about that sort of thing because it messes with our perceptions, but I don't think it's indicative, really.
In post 78, Frozen Angel wrote:RC you mind confirming that we need 7 votes to lynch?
I'm curious why you even felt the need to ask this question.
In post 83, Garmr wrote:dwelee let me bitch slap you for being dumb there we go.
I don't think matt is town. But taly is treating matt like they are town with no reasoning and defending them by distorting facts this is white knighting the wagon.
In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked
I also never said I thought matt was a downie. Also scum defend there buddies to ;/
I feel like white knighting is more of something that scum does when they know the person being strung up is town; because then it gives them towncred later on. Your definition is... different.
In post 90, MattP wrote:Also, I've brought up my state of mind in many games in the past.
And that's why it's null.
In post 91, Dierfire wrote:Hello everyone! It's nice to see some familiar names, and nice to see some new friends as well.
VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
I don't like that he took two hours to read the game and still went with a random vote in 60 without commenting on anything that he read.
@MattP
Why in 11 did you ask Dwlee about his vote and not Garmr?
I've mixed feelings on Taly and the Miller claim, but his approach seems sound and I can see clear motivation to read other players in his interactions with Frozen and AlwaysInnocent.
I like Aero's activity level interaction with Garmr and his activity level. I'm still trying to decide whether I trust that enough to also trust his read on Frozen, who thus far hasn't said much of importance and seemed a little off in 34. Specifically the time stamps don't really support her claim to have had something written up when Garmr posted 28.
What do you mean by our "activity level interaction"? I have no idea what that even implies.
This whole post feels weird and awkward to me.
In post 103, MattP wrote:
It's very tryhard to overexplain to someone why an avatar change isn't inherently scummy
If you don't think it's weird in essence I don't really know what more there is to it.
It's sort of a weird post, but it's nothing to write home about. There's only like a sentence about the avatar thing, which honestly is really exactly the kind of thing that starts off little and turns into this overblown thing that you'restilltalking about, that in the long run doesn't really matter.
In post 104, MattP wrote:In post 32, iraonavp wrote:
I am fairly sure that Dwlee99's comment about Garmr's avatar was not implying that it was indicative of a scum-aligned player, it was an RVS vote no different from several others.
And really, what answers would you honestly expect from this question? An avatar is very clearly not indicative of alignment.
Like if we're talking about taking RVS nonsense seriously being scummy, it's weird that ira took Angel's post so seriously.
To be fair, you took a very non-serious RVS wagon on youjustas seriously.
In post 105, Lowell wrote:Wow you guys move fast. 5 pages. Oof.
I believe, and love, the miller claim. I remember years ago doing the same thing as miller and having a long and dumb philosophical discussion about it. Point is, haters gon' hate. Claim is smart, if true, and almost certainly true.
I also like Gamr as town.
VOTE: AI for trying to draw out a reason Taly would fake claim. Grasping at straws, as if trying to set something up.
Isn't there only one real reason for him to fake claim? Like the only reason to do that if he'snota miller is that he's scum. Those are the two options.
In post 113, Albert B. Rampage wrote:In post 110, iraonavp wrote:In post 88, AlwaysInnocent wrote:Would Taly claim if he is scum?
I have not encountered a d1 miller claim before, and I am unsure how they are usually handled! I suggest we (except for the cop) ignore it, since Taly could be either scum-aligned pretending to be a miller, or a real miller.
Mathilda hasn't posted yet? Vote is becoming more legit.
If she needs replacement, RC, please consider Titus
Jesus, a game with you and Titus is simultaneously such an exciting but horrifying thought.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Whaddup, ABR.In post 126, Albert B. Rampage wrote:What's up, Aeronaut.
In post 128, Taly wrote:OK, I have no clue at all what happened in my other post. I almost never make posts with 300 characters or less ABR... But I'll try to be shorter and more concise with myself.
ABR - just because you'd claim Miller as scum D1 doesn't mean the same would be done by me.
Would you rather me have not claimed and then let the possibility of being guiltied later in game fuck over the town in my mislynch?
ABR would claim anything as any alignment, in fairness.
As far as your claim, I actually feel like you're telling the truth. Don't ask me why, it just mostly looks genuine to me. Also, I feel like it'd be smarter for scum to wait until they were close to being lynched to do something that ballsy.
In post 130, Dierfire wrote:MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote for him. Aero is a good bet for Town on his wagon. His points on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia on his wagon if he's Town.
My points on Iraonavp? Just so you know, these are my points on him:
Spoiler:
In post 132, MattP wrote:I don't get the aero townreads considering the slot has done barely anything as of yet.
At the time of Dier's random town reading of me, this was mostly accurate.
In post 133, Dierfire wrote:For me it mostly has to do with his activity level and moving votes to help the game move.
What do you mean? I came on for like an hour, and voted like twice. I voted Garmr forusing emojis, so what you're saying literally doesn't make sense.
I don't like being buddied.
VOTE: Dier2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Nah.
In post 176, Radja wrote:In post 172, MattP wrote:In post 170, Radja wrote:No use for a guy who is not going to engage in the game and does not answer questions.
That's an easy vote.
Why did you vote me?
I already explained why I voted you.
You wanted to act town on page 1, which bothers me a lot. Your followup has not improved my read on you, so I saw no reason to unvote.
You are trying to play the game however, which makes Albert a better vote for now.
P-edit: You are actively not engaging in the game, while Mathilda is not around and will get replaced if it continues. That's a big difference. I have asked you a question twice and you refuse to answer. Which probably means you have no answer for it. That gives me a scumread on you.
Consider my vote also on this one.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 202, MattP wrote:In post 201, Dwlee99 wrote:I think it's the wrong word. But ABR is voting mathilda for not contributing anything so radja votes abr for not contributing anything over mathilda. Idk if that made sense.
Radja has already explained the discrepancy. Mathilda hasn't posted at all. ABR has posted to say he won't be posting. Radja doesn't like that ABR is active lurking whereas Mathilda is simply lurking.
Phone posting; I saw that whole thing as sarcasm, ABR doing ABR things. I doesn't really matter if he's saying that's what he's doing, it more matters whether he actually just doesn't do anything.
tbh I'd rather tongue-in-cheek ABR than Fakeclaim-Three-Different-Roles-As-Town ABR, as hilarious as that was2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 205, MattP wrote:In post 204, Aeronaut wrote:Phone posting; I saw that whole thing as sarcasm, ABR doing ABR things. I doesn't really matter if he's saying that's what he's doing, it more matters whether he actually just doesn't do anything.
tbh I'd rather tongue-in-cheek ABR than Fakeclaim-Three-Different-Roles-As-Town ABR, as hilarious as that was
I'm not concerned with ABR, I'm concerned that Dwlee is just jumping onto the Radja-smear-campaign by throwing out a big word like "hypocrisy" when he has no reason to justify saying that.
At this point I don't like Dwlee or Dierface (the two D's)
Yea, he sounds like a politician, using buzzwords.
Besides that, I haven't honestly looked at Dwlee, but I'll look at him more when I'm at a computer.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 189, Taly wrote:
Wtf, this is either discrediting a valid move to make the town more aware, or simply casting it off for something else later.
This is why I'm not fully OK with Dier atm, and at a lesser degree - ABR. (Though, Aero is kind of right about how ABR would claim anything.
Can you show me where ABR discredited your claim?
In post 195, Dwlee99 wrote:Radja your vote is absolute garbage. It's absolute hypocrisy.
Well, the thing is... it's really not. While Radja might be voting ABR for something that's a bit hypocritical, Radja himselfisposting a moderate amount. The real reason it's not a great vote is because there's really not scum motivation for literally announcing "I'm going to do nothing this game", yet Radja jumped on it pretty fast anyway.
However, you're doing the same thing; jumping on the Radja bandwagon because it's the cool wagon to be on, using your own buzzword reason to make it seem like you're adding something to this push, when you're clearly not. You're just riding the coattails.
In post 198, AlwaysInnocent wrote:After having re-read Radja's ISO, I think it more likely that he is town. His posts seem genuine. I do wonder why he has Garmr as a townread. I think I have an idea, but I am not sure if saying it helps the game.
UNVOTE: Radja
What exactly looks genuine to you in his ISO? Like which posts specifically?
In post 217, iraonavp wrote:
I suggest that you change your vote onto someone you consider likely to be scum-aligned, to preserve the remaining tatters of your credibility.
This last sentence looks like strong-arming, and I'm not a fan.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 234, Dierfire wrote:@Taly
In post 189, Taly wrote:Do you want a medal? This has been stated in another form. ._. But I already stated I wanted to have more time on the read, but my gut still tells me that Matt is likely town.
Are you offering me a medal?
It's true that I missed 123 by Ironavp which said the same thing, so I'll apologize for the repetition.
This is the same thing; what Taly pointed out is that it looks like you're posting just to post, not adding any real content, agreeing with other things people post but not posting you're own ideas, etc.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 227, Mathilda wrote:In post 152, MattP wrote:Well you can trust me, I'm a doctor
OK you have to know that everyone's going to notice this comment. It's too obvious for a soft claim or bread crumb and if you're townie then why would you say such a thing? Especially if you were a doctor. This is suspicious.
So, hypothetically, if he were soft claiming, you would have just brought evenmoreattention to it.
In post 231, iraonavp wrote:In post 219, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 217, iraonavp wrote:
I suggest that you change your vote onto someone you consider likely to be scum-aligned, to preserve the remaining tatters of your credibility.
This last sentence looks like strong-arming, and I'm not a fan.
I guess you're right, it does look like that. But really, is strong-arming someone into not doing something anti-town at all bad?
He's not doing something anti-town, he's using his vote to pressure people. That's what ya do. The thing about you saying "You better move your vote right now, or else" sounds weird and threatening, and it also sounds like you're discrediting him. (Which is really what you're doing).
In post 233, Dierfire wrote:@Aero
In post 184, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 91, Dierfire wrote:
I like Aero's activity level interaction with Garmr and his activity level. I'm still trying to decide whether I trust that enough to also trust his read on Frozen, who thus far hasn't said much of importance and seemed a little off in 34. Specifically the time stamps don't really support her claim to have had something written up when Garmr posted 28.
What do you mean by our "activity level interaction"? I have no idea what that even implies.
This whole post feels weird and awkward to me.
"Weird and awkward" is my middle name!
The "activity level interaction" is the result of some careless typing. I wanted to say "interaction with Garmr" and, separately, "activity level" (which still seems to have somewhat survived). By activity level, I was referring to you moving your votes around, which I find to be modestly motivated to helping move the game out of RVS. The interaction with Garmr to which I was referring occurs in 23, where you follow him onto Matt's wagon. Again, this seemed helpful in getting us out of RVS.
In post 130, Dierfire wrote:MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote forhim. Aero is a good bet for Town onhiswagon.Hispoints on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia onhiswagon ifhe'sTown.
My points on Iraonavp?
No, I was talking about Matt's points (99, 104, 127). All of the underlined are referring to MattP. I'll grant you that the pronoun use could have been clearer, but I'm not sure why you would believe that I meant that Iraonavp was voting for you and you were voting for yourself and I was reading you as Town for that?
In post 133, Dierfire wrote:For me it mostly has to do with his activity level and moving votes to help the game move.
What do you mean? I came on for like an hour, and voted like twice. I voted Garmr forusing emojis, so what you're saying literally doesn't make sense.
I don't like being buddied.
VOTE: Dier
You can't stop me from reading you as Town! I think that I explained the rest.
Yea, I'm not going to sit here and argue why you shouldn't town-read me, but honestly I think your reasons for saying I'm town were questionable, and sort of non-sensicle; for example, you're here saying that I moved my votes around and helped move the game around.That makes no sense.At the time you posted that, I had posted two RVS joke votes on the first page, both of which obviously didn't add much to the game. The only real vote I'd had was on Mattp, and even that was clearly a sheep of Garmr.
Here's what I'm getting at; it's entirely possible that scum-you decides hey, Aero's someone who doesn't get lynched that quickly, I should make a friend out of him (e.g. Buddying). Another option is that you wanted to post some easy reads right off so it looks like you're doing something. Either way, it's really scummy in my opinion.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Ok, going a little at a time, because there's too many pages and too little of an attention span.
In post 246, MattP wrote:In post 243, Garmr wrote:In post 242, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 241, Garmr wrote:In post 240, Dwlee99 wrote:I am liking Aero and Dier for town atm. Taly is leaning town, too.
Personally I don't like that matt p dropped a soft claim to doctor earlier considering there probably isn't a doctor in this game.
Wasn't he referring to his avatar?
It felt like he was laying down a fake claim for latter.
I officially think you're bad at mafia
Congrats!
Garmr is actually pretty good at this game, he just gets to where he's going in a different way than most.
In post 262, Garmr wrote:@Frozen angel and anyone else looking at matt as scum
-Mattp is scum and I'm glad how you picked up on matts role drop wifom and got a similar thought process than mine.All the things he quoted in 255.His trying to say he was trying to bring us out of rvs with his question.
Whataboutthe things he quoted in 255 are bad? Like, you didn't respond to them, which is whatever, but you can't point to them and say they're scummy if you yourself wouldn't comment on them. Explain what's bad about them.
In post 280, iraonavp wrote:In general, I think it is best not to mention real or imagined softclaims in the thread.
Unless you think they're bullshit, then it's fine. In my opinion, anyway.
In post 283, Garmr wrote:
Hey your just now starting to see why matt is scum god your slow. If matt isn't lynched today and his scum it will be all your fault. I changed my mind you can be town.
Ok Garmr, tell me succinctly; why I should be voting mattP, and like a few of your main points on him right now.
To be honest, reading the fight between you and Matt is migrant-inducing, so I need something easier to swallow in order for me to follow along, here.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 301, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
Nice white knighting here. It also looks like Dierfire is yelling that he is scumhunting without actually doing any of the scumhunting.In post 130, Dierfire wrote:MattP looks fine to me. I don't know why people want to vote for him. Aero is a good bet for Town on his wagon. His points on Iraonavp are good; currently Iraonavp would be my best guess for Mafia on his wagon if he's Town.
Now I have to dive into Taly's posts.
But let's DIVE some more into Dierfire's posts!
While I generally think that you're right about these posts, I don't really get why you chosenowto analyze this post from like 6 pages before that. Were you just ISOing Dier?
In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.I don't approve of the dier vote.
You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?
That doesn't really answer why you're not OK with the Dier vote.
In post 311, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I like threatening my perceived opponents. I think you could be scum buddies with Dierfire.In post 309, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 307, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I can also vote for you, if you want.In post 306, Dwlee99 wrote:In post 304, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
I don't think it accomplished much either, but he seems genuine.In post 303, Dwlee99 wrote:I've liked some of garmr's earlier posts but that post didn't feel like he accomplished much.
Why not? He's a better candidate than MattP or Albert B.I don't approve of the dier vote.
You don't HAVE to vote for one of those 3. Why are you creating a false dilemma?
VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
I don't like the threat.
I question your vote and you immediately attack me for it.
Please don't draw pre-flip associatives; they mean nothing and are largely WIFOM.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 377, Frozen Angel wrote:
I think ABR push is useless atm. since I think people are just making excuses to vote him.
Yea. Anyone on the ABR wagon is vote parking, ironically doing the thing he was satirizing in his post.
He's not here, so of course scum wants to vote for him, because they won't get pushback.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I think Taly is town.
@People who think Dier is town, what has he done to make you say "oh gee, that guy is town"? Because all I see is someone who's posting just enough to stay relevant, while not taking any real stances and is really sort of waiting out the day. That's how it feels to me, anyway.
I'm going to look back at the newbie game I played with him to see if he was different.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Here are some examples of Dier's postings as town in the game we played together:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6620387
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6628027
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6632359
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6640781
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6681137
In all these posts, Dier gives these long but poignant posts, is an active poster for the most part, and is like one of the main voices of the town. He playsvery thoroughlyas town here, and this is in a Newbie game. That's where I'm coming from here, is that he goes from that, to staying sort of quiet and making small, safer points this time around.
Now, given, there are some problems with this right now; for one, this is a newbie game and was his first, so things can change. I intend to look through some other stuff of his in the morning, but this is what I have now.
The other problem, is that a lot of my read here is admittedly sort of gut-based; his posts are giving me creepy vibes that he'stryingto look town instead of just looking it. I dunno. It's late, I'm probably not being too sensical, but that's where I'm at.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 449, MattP wrote:I'm claiming vig early because I'm having trouble connecting with vocal people this game and I'm not having fun with this game (I'm not saying to complain, I'm saying purely to explain my motivation here) and this is an easy way to put the resistance to me today to rest, I believe the miller claim so there's likely a cop and therefore scum won't waste their roleblock on me should they have one, me claiming incentivizes scum NKing me which works perfectly considering people are scumreading me, and vig is a common role so town will know I'm not fakeclaiming since it runs too high a risk of being counterclaimed
In post 453, MattP wrote:In post 451, Frozen Angel wrote:pedit :Wow, is vig claim normal in normal games?
Are you serious right now? It's a normal role. It's one of the roles approved for normal setups.
You're scum.
It annoys me that you're throwing shade on someone for not thinking something was normal.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 699, Aj The Epic wrote:
>Suggesting Aero is town, BUT he only 'trusts his read' on FA and then gives reason that he doesn't trust it.
Yea, actually, before this day ends here, I'd like to revert my read on FA back to null, for the record. I'm no longer really sure about that.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1034, iraonavp wrote:In post 1032, Garmr wrote:In post 1026, davesaz wrote:In post 1021, Garmr wrote:so like no one is interested in the fact I have day chat now with a potential scum power role ok then.
You're saying someone neighborized you and Matt, and you now have daychat with that player? Or was there a hood already that you got added to?
How would you know that Matt became a member? Is that based solely on what the other neighbor told you?
We got added all of us abr was supposed to have joined us as well but something blocked him from entering according to the person who made it.
Also I'm not saying anything about the person for a reason.
That doesn't sound like a Normal Role. I think that the person who told you that is probably lying.
You can have one not-explicitly normal role in any mini normal game.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1038, iraonavp wrote:I did not know this, thanks for the clarification Aeronaut. Surely this does not mean that any role could be allowed, for example, a serial killer that can stab 10 people in a single night? I presume there are at least some kind of guidelines.
Well every normal game needs to go through a review with the Normal Review Group, and generally they'd be the ones to nix something like that. But yea, having that one slot for a not previously explicitly normal role really adds an opportunity to play around with new kinds of mechanics and stuff.
I would like to hear more from Firebringer before I come to a conclusion, though.
I would too.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1054, Firebringer wrote:In post 1053, Aeronaut wrote:So is Firebringer trolling or like is this shit real?
I don't troll.
I just don't care enough to post a case on you. I am hoping others will read your ISO and come to same conclusion.
Alright, fine, we can play this way.
Can you tell me about other scum reads you have? Or town reads?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I'm not sure which direction is the right one, here. Because I had some weird vibes from Dier in the beginning of the game... I really would like to lynch Firebringer just because he's not adding much to this game, but like if I remember correctly, he just plays like this. Which is silly; if you're going to act like you don't want to play, just replace out already.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1074, Aeronaut wrote:Yea, I feel like we're just not doing well enough to justify a PL.
And by this, I mean that policy lynching should almost never happen, unless that player is literally being so stupid that the town can't move forward otherwise.
Which makes FB lynch tempting, but he's just kind of off by himself being stubborn, so idc really2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1076, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Aeronaut who are your townreads?
You, Garmr, are the ones I would call solid.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1081, Firebringer wrote:In post 1078, Aeronaut wrote:And by this, I mean that policy lynching should almost never happen, unless that player is literally being so stupid that the town can't move forward otherwise.
Which makes FB lynch tempting, but he's just kind of off by himself being stubborn, so idc really
Hold on, you saying I am town for this?
Its not a policy lynch if you scum read me dude.
This is scummy shit.
No, I'm saying that I don't know that it's alignment indicative.
Although youareproviding almost nothing of value to this game.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In post 1085, Firebringer wrote:In post 1083, Aeronaut wrote:No, I'm saying that I don't know that it's alignment indicative.
Although you are providing almost nothing of value to this game.
Thats bullshit, I have been giving thoughts since I replaced in, if anything its you who hasn't given much to this game.
When I first read first few pages of game i got a scum taste, and since then you haven't done anything to change my mind. You don't seem to be hunting scum at all.
Yea, but you just keep saying this vague-ass shit. Like ABR said, all you're doing is saying "you guy are bad!" instead of like, "here's my reasoning for stuff! Here's a logical thought process!"
^In post 1086, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You haven't done anything to erase the scummy that Dwlee left is what we're saying.
In post 1087, Firebringer wrote:In post 1084, Garmr wrote:From you alone I don't get a scum read but dwlee man was extremely scummy I can't shake the scum off.
If you think I am scum push me. You will come to see you are wrong either way.
What do you mean by "either way"?
In post 1098, Dierfire wrote:In post 1096, Firebringer wrote:Thats why it is opportunistic. He saw momentum on you, so he switched to you, then saw that going my way, went my way.
He left a larger wagon for a smaller wagon. That's the opposite of what I would consider the "opportunistic" move.
Wow, yea.
Ok Firebringerisjust pretty much flailing at this point. Consider my vote there, for now.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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