Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)
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Done.
page 12, blue yoshi trying to pocket triv, triv not buying it
page 13, shotty obsesses over scumtells, doesn't like votes on him
page 15, tommy struggles to contribute, bacde arrives, does better
page 17, fading townread on transcend, guy looks twitchy, equivocal on votes
page 20, bacde tangles with jarjar, is town
page 22, alpaca enters w/ read list (meh), shotty debates mafia theory (meh)
page 23, big fan of transcend's 573
vote stands onshotty. he's tame as hell in ways I don't like
fos alpacaI agree with transcend that his "reads list" post was contrived garbage. this is the post lurker-scum make to look like they're paying attention ever few pages. And let me tell you, I know a thing or two about lurkerscum.
fos jarjarI'm sheeping bacde on this. Hard to put my finger on what's wrong with him, but something's just missing. Is ISO is like watching paint dry.
Strongest townreads:
bacde, who from his entry has been clear and aggressive in ways I like.
dunn, though I'm fading slightly on this one. I want to believe in the player who earned townpoints for the first dozen pages or so and not the one who has coasted since then.
transcend, up and down on him, but I like his calling out alpaca's junkposts.-
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I'm okay with both lead wagons. Which even as I write it sounds scummy, but here we are. VOTE: jarjar who seems more flailing of the two.
Strongest townread remains bacde, followed by transcend and tommy. I like that transcend is skeptical of my townreading him (which is always my reaction too... in the rare cases when I'm townread), and I still read tommy as newbtown.-
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JarJar is scum. alpaca and raskol, probably not. I'm just not sure I see the vision in either one of them other than "hmm, lowell hasn't done much, let's vote him." which is a problem, when it allows scum like jarjar to jump in and make a viable wagon out of nothing. basically this gives jarjar an "easy" target and lets him look like he's scumhunting without having to piss off anyone who might fight back.In post 890, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:
I can't tell who you think is town and who you think is scum here.In post 886, Lowell wrote:alpaca and raskol, you need to do better. this is not a good use of your time. jarjar, you're fine. someday our wincons will align and we can be friends.
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I disagree with this. I'm a fan of the LOLHAMMER. It shows courage in my book. Now I doubt that's what he was intending to do--probably just wasn't paying attention and felt like voting (been there!). But a willingness to haphazardly throw votes without reading the room first is a towntell as well.In post 889, JarJarDrinks wrote:
none. It's either a decent scumplay or a horrible town play.In post 882, Bacde wrote:What town motivation does kush have for quickhammering?-
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Well yeah that's the point. Let's just say on the spectrum from town to scum, he's moving towards the latter. If he were my top choice I'd be voting him, but I do want to make clear he's less newbtown now than I read at first.In post 916, Transcend wrote:
then you want to vote him. not saying your 180 is scummy, just wondering how you made this conclusionIn post 857, Lowell wrote:and I still read tommy as newbtown.-
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Don't I get points for honesty? It's a gut read.In post 948, Zachstralkita wrote:seriously, that had to be the worst answer he could have given.
for some reason " i don't know " would have been a better answer than that-
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1- my timing is based on when I'm in my office. that's the only consideration.
2- I do townread him for hammering. IMO, not paying attention is usually (not always, I admit) a towntell. lurkerscum don't hammer, they just show up to make the minimal noise required and then leave. folks who show up and vote tend to be town.
3- I said my position was shifting. As it should, if someone I townread does something scummy. as I said he's not my top scumread, just moving up the list.
4- post 941 is garbage. this is true. I was struck by the moment by the bug of pure candor. I admit it doesn't have much place in this game, but I felt I was sort of humming around going nowhere with my jarjar case and figured I might as well confess as such.-
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Eh I actually didn't notice who was on my wagon. you're right, that's unlikely. okay put inspector in there instead of zach.In post 966, Zachstralkita wrote:so that means the entire scumteam is on YOUR wagon? LMFAO
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Okay you vultures, I reread... for real this time. Here's your answer.
VOTE: alpaca
Literally everyone is null. And I use "literally" literally. This is pure fluff. Not a great start, but just one post, so, whatever.In post 537, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Ok so that took longer than expected especially because I took a break part way through but I am here now.
Here are my feelings so far in a nice pretty(no actually) read list.
Bacde (null+) - I have never played with someone who bases reads off of tones and emotion so I want to see how that works out. Overall I thought his jump on JarJar at first was iffy especially because not doing anything explicitly town doesn't make you scum it may just make you a bad town, but than later he explains everything nicely and his jump makes a whole lot more sense, however I would love to hear your thoughts on more than just JarJar even if its to say you think everyone else is town since you have basically only talked about JarJar so far (well never mind he just explained his other reads) (null+)
Shotty (null-) - You don't seem to have done that much this game with your only seemingly real vote being for pressure but that was it. You do say that it isn't your playstyle to post reads until later but its always nice to know what other people are thinking and also just not posting much of anything of substance is kind of iffy in my opinion (null-)
Dunn (null++) - Liking the content here, questions for days and some nice analysis, love the spoiler tags over large quoting and analysis so I think wow this page isn't long than BAM! double the length, a truly good surprise. I am getting town reads from him in the way he has been looking at the other players (null++)
Scout (null+) - So if it helps if I were scum and it were night right now you wouldn't even make the short list of people I would like to kill so don't hold yourself back over posting in fear of getting night killed its important to get your opinion out there. I think that you have some flowing reads which is nice nothing seemed super out of sorts in your line of logic and your also fully willing to defend yourself instead of not responding or shrugging things off which is much more scummy in my opinion. (null+)
JarJar (null) - Ok so I might be blind since its a pretty popular opinion right now but I am not seeing super scum JarJar, apparently he is just following main flow but his latest read list seems mostly original aside from I suppose reading Dunn as town which seems to be pretty popular but than does that make me scum for thinking Dunn is town, its popular for a reason. I don't think he has done anything to make himself super town in my opinion but he also isn't super scummy either. (null)
Low (null) - Well I don't really have much to say here... Moving along (null)
Mountain (null) - So he mostly seems to talk about JarJar in a positive light and his read on yoshi being not scum that is about it would love to see more content such as views on other people. I would also recommend reading back but if you don't than I expect more from you in the future, though for now I will except your laziness as an excuse for not posting other reads, but not forever. (null)
Rask (null+) - Hey Rask long time no see! I take most of what he says at the beginning to be not serious and jokes and only when he says he is really starting the game am I taking his posts seriously. He seems to be talking a teaching role in trying to get the game started at the beginning but i really didn't like his whole "lynching me D1 is totally fine" thing but than later I liked his analysis on Shotty and he seemed a lot more town in how he actually went around things. (null+)
Tommy (null) - I am really not too sure on Tommy I am not getting much of a feel from his posts at all though I thought that his hypothesis on Zach and Dunn was pretty funny. More thoughts to come but nothing comes to mid right now. (null)
Transcend (null+) - I like his thoughts and his one on one with Rask, he stuck with his vote for a long time defending himself and I see a general town mindset here and not a scummy one. (null+)
Trivium (null) - Many posts not much substance, however not much scummy activity. He pulled the newbie card which I would buy if he hadn't joined in 2015. He is just kind of null in my books until future notice (null)
Zach (null+) - Loving the sarcastic images 10/10 please continue. I honestly don't think that scum would be this pushy and sarcastic, however in all honesty you should chill on the jokes and the snippy comments since in certain contexts it could end up seeming scummy. (null+)
Wow that took me like an hour and a half of looking through ISO's. Forgive me for not quoting anything yet I don't like massive quote walls in my read list, especially when its 20 pages worth of possible analysis, but this is my current feelings for the game. Also as you go from top to bottom I get more and more tired so my analysis of players at the bottom of my list is probably just plain bad or basic since I was just skimming ISO's at the end.
Reads like a reminder to himself "oh shit better vote or I'll look too obviously like I'm trying to hide" than to anyone else. I can sense the reservation here--as though he knew he didn't really want to be on this wagon but sort of trapped himself into it.In post 546, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Oh and I forgot
VOTE: Drmyshottyizsik
No point in saying he is the scummiest here than not vote him
Again, I've said why I disagree with this. One quickhammer does not mean he'll quickhammer EVERY time. More to the point, the difference between "scum" and "impulsive town" should matter to you. A lot.In post 731, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:In my opinion I am currently scum reading Kush since as far as I can tell he is either scum or impulsive town, and I wouldn't want either in the endgame. At best I view him as anti-town, since there really isn't anything beneficial to quick hammering if you are town aligned especially D1 when the odds are much higher for hitting town.
Everything about this is bad. "If there's scum anywhere it's here" is just about the most non-committal thing I've ever heard. Not to mention deliberately evasive. There IS scum somewhere. Many places. Again this is the wording of someone who doesn't want to overcommit to a wagon because he knows what the result will be. "I haven't put a vote down yet", just as with shotty, reads as a reminder to himself to actually look like he's trying. Though again you can sense he knows the flip already.In post 884, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:
On top of the only times he's appeared he has thrown a vote than left (though at least he had some explanation this time around) and this above post he doesn't seem too concerned with acting pro town whatsoever, I haven't put a vote down yet but I think if scum is anywhere it's hereIn post 868, Lowell wrote:wait did I hammer? haha fun. LOLHAMMERS are my specialty. It'll be fine.
VOTE: Lowell
tl;dr alpaca is being deliberately evasive with his reads. He's hyper-conservative with votes, only joining wagons after they've gained steam and then equivocating when he does because he knows what the flip will be.-
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Go back to scout. You're wrong on this one. The case on me is and was always lazy. Now I'm properly chastened, and participating. Do the right thing.In post 990, JarJarDrinks wrote:
This makes me wanna go back to scout sooooo bad.In post 984, inspectorscout wrote:So lets make a deal: if he flips town, we lynch jarjar/trivium.-
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FTR I don't know what I think about inspector's "self-vote if you promise to kill triv" gambit. For some reason it looks less scummy on him than on others. My problem with him had been that he seemed to have been coasting, playing a little safe in plain sight. This is... quite the opposite. I want to jump in here and say OMG SCUMMY LOL KILL but my gut tells me this may be just dumb townness. At any rate, if he's scum I applaud his commitment to his insane gambit.-
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In post 1137, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Sine the beginning of the game he has been trying to lead discussion as well as making good points and and asking questions that have started actual discussion, I didn't think his read list was scummy at all (though apaprently my list was scummy and shit so clearly I'm not an expert) but having the same opinion as someone isn't scummy as long as there is a reason, there has to be agreement for a wagon to even begin. What i really don't like is why people think he is scum like in post 1019 Zach thinks he is scum for something that I don't see as scummy at all, and a whole wagon even starts on it, now either me or Zach have misread it but I see it as him saying out of the three current wagons he would vote me if he had to but he doesn't think I am scummy. That isn't a contradiction, he is just saying he obvtownreads himself and he thinks lowel is town so if he was forced to he would vote me but given an option he wouldn't since I am not super scummy, he has already in the past posted his scum reads which some people ignore or forget quickly. If you actually read what he says he makes good posts but apparently a lot of people skip over parts of what he reads, example post 585 is an obvious example of JarJar not fully reading post 259, he probs only read the first sentence and was like oh Scout thinks 'if x than y' is scummy.
Fully agree with this. Also, this only makes sense in hindsight, when, after posting my case on alpaca (and him getting some pressure), he suddenly decided I'm town. So yeah, why does it matter what scout thinks of me... and ESPECIALLY why does it matter if you didn't even agree at the time.In post 1139, JarJarDrinks wrote:And please explain to me the logic here:
- Scout thinks that Lowell is town.
- Lowell is @ L-1
- Scout thinks that Myself/Zack/Triv are the scumteam and for some reason we decide to derail the Lowell wagon to switch to scout.
If you think scout is town because he's acting like terrible noob town then I'd say OK. But for you to townread him for "making good points" is ridiculous.
Honestly the best way we'll know if scout is town is if this is the first of several posts that lead to alpaca faux-begrudgingly joining the wagon.-
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I don't support the infinity wagon. I've liked his entry. He's a little cagey, but basically active with useful thoughts. That, and the slot was town already because LOLHAMMERs are great.
I want raskol to show up. He's one of the players I don't have a good read on.
Stronger townread from transcend. When accused of jumping on many wagons he.... said he jumped on many wagons. This is a good thing, and good on him for celebrating it.
Likewise, I'm getting a scumvibe from triv. As the game has picked up, basically his only contribution has been to say that tommy is scum because he's trying to distance from his scumpartner, infinity. Except he's not voting either, despite both (potentially) having viable wagons. also attacking tommy reads as a "safe" play here since things have starting moving. tommy is fine as a player, and could be scum, why not, but he's not the kind to really tangle with those accusing him like infinity/zach/inspector/whoever else. and it particularly reads as "safe" to attack tommy if the other person you suspect is infinity (who, again, has the larger wagon anyway).-
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VOTE: alpaca
I was here. bacde was here. dead cop raskol was here. Three people I (now) feel very good about. Also, the way the wagon sort of fizzled when it could have taken off, and instead lo and behold everyone votes infinity, reinforces my read here.
@triv, no, I'm not going to apologize for being right. Thanks for the offer, though. rask was moving up my scumlist by the end of the day. gun to my head it would have been a tossup between rask and alpaca. so, long story short, his death makes my decision easier.-
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I agree. Vote alpaca.In post 1676, JarJarDrinks wrote:I basically have scum in this group: Lowel, Tommy, Bacd, Alpaca-
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By process of elimination, zach or transcend. I'm going to be possibly crazy and guess transcend. I feel I may have been "pocketed" on this one all game. I've been saying he's town all game--I'm worried this game ends with him buttering me up in LYLO.In post 1957, Transcend wrote:
who do you think is scum with alpaca...In post 1954, Lowell wrote:Townread on jarjar and scout. I find it unlikely jarjar and tommy are partners. Could be bussing/distancing, but it seems like a pointless risk to take.
VOTE: alpaca
Somehow he manages to be both scummy and useless. Usually I can only get away with one or the other. So, yes, I'm jealous.-
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Damn that's a scummy ass townbloc. I don't respond to scummy ass townblocs.In post 2025, Transcend wrote:also, i'm entertaining the idea of a possible townbloc.
jjd's had a really good day today so.......
zach if you put scout in the bloc, i'd be willing to put jjd in the bloc as well...... then we have a townbloc of 4 people in 7 {You, Me, JJD, Scout}
it's quite a gamble to take, but honestly i've seen these blocs work in other games, really well, to my surprise.-
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I completely agree with this logic, however. Be it from scum or otherwise.In post 2035, Transcend wrote:And I'm taking a HUGE gamble 180'ing my SR on JarJar, but I'm actually quite fond of his vote on Tommy. I think initially the two were commandeering a lynch on Bacde, then Tommy said some stupid shit and JarJar honestly had no reason to bus.
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Ah yes, what a surprising reaction.In post 2052, Zachstralkita wrote:
Bullshit. The amount of resistance you've put up toward claiming and you give us VT?In post 2051, Lowell wrote:If you promise to kill alpaca, then I'll claim. VT.-
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