Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like Titus and Infinity were talking in scum chat and said let's get murder to vote chilled and then we can pressure nero into it.

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Like if they wanted chilled lynched they could just do that/push that, they are doing the proxy thing to make me trust them.

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Or am I paranoid?

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I will solve this game tomorrow, I swear it.

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Scum will regret not killing me when they had a chance.

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Chilled who is scum

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I'm thinking of voting Titus.

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I think Infinity is town.

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I'm still going to reread every iso later.

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Convince me to vote chilled

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I feel like no one in this game is trying to win right now

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I need the two townies to obv town it the fuck up for me.

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I feel like Titus might be bussing dead weight chilled.

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Thoughts on that Nero?

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why

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I want you to give me literally any reasoning at all. That goes for everyone. Titus, doc + bp can't exist isn't good enough.

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Fuck it let's lynch chilled.

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I think if chilled were town he's have done something useful or replaced out. And the claim is shit.

VOTE: Chilled

I don't remember when I started caring about this game.

[MURDERCAT]

No idea where the votes are? L-2? L-1?

Sorry to Dunn and Chumba if Titus is scum but I just don't care.

[MURDERCAT]

I think Infinity is town. Infinity if you are not town I am impressed.

[MURDERCAT]

Murder, if one of infinity/titus is not scum, we have lost this game. It is that simple.

Sorry for not replacing out of a game which spanned a whole 140 pages + when I lost interest. Also, don't give a damn at this point to either defend myself or scumhunt.

What do you want me to do if this is all you post.

[MURDERCAT]

Chilled if you are town why aren't you trying to convince me of that.

[MURDERCAT]

There's a reason I'm not

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I actually did reread the isos of all the important players.

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UNVOTE:

Talk to me about Titus Nero, I'll be around tomorrow. I thought you were town.

[MURDERCAT]

Nero is town. Nero think about Titus/Chilled for me.

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Infinity, RB makes Chumba irrelevant. I think it is Titus/Chilled I'm almost sure now.

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Aren't you on Titus now? If I vote a quick hammer is open.

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Infinity is proxying me and we have Chumba.

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Infinity I think you are town. If you believe Titus is town then now is the time to convince me.

Titus no more AtE please it isn't helping you.

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I want a post on Titus too.

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Show me how he's scum with chilled, I don't care about anything else.

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Let's see what happens

VOTE: Titus

[MURDERCAT]

Post something that's not a hammer please

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Word

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UNVOTE:

I'll think about stuff tonorrow

[MURDERCAT]

Titus/chilled scum I'm almost sure

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Do the same thing for Titus and Chilled please.

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No but all the other shit is

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Lol, true though

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Ok so Infinity is not scum unless he is scum with Titus. Nero is not scum unless he is scum with chilled.

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I'm thinking you are both just town though.

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Actually if I can prove that neither of you are scum with your potential partner we can solve the game.

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Nero I want to see your best Infinity/Titus scum team case.

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I think I trust Dunn's reads. Titus/chilled.

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Titus busses Chilled who is dead weight anyway and then rides the town cred to a win tomorrow. Anyway we should probably still lynch chilled today, I'll let you guys figure out what to do tomorrow.

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VOTE: Chilled

I'm ok with this.

[MURDERCAT]

I trust you infinity

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If you are scum though I want you to know we aren't friends after this.

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I've been told Titus is actually radiant cowbells and I've heard stories from people about RadiantCowbells doing unorthodox things as scum.

Hahahahahaha

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We should do the no brainer lynch today tbh

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When would you have been lynched infinity?

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I think you are right that Titus should have been lynched yesterday.

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Titus's day start today mostly.

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Idk I thought she looked towny until today.

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It just felt like such a sudden change, like she was suddenly willing to lynch chilled without any thought.

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I think Chumba has a legitimate reason to scum read Titus.

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Titus != RC

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Infinity I will vote whoever you chose between Titus and Chilled.

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If you are scum we lose anyway so I don't mind. You couldn't be scum now though, not after I said we wouldn't be friends.

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So that's game?

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Oh lol I just saw Chumba's post.

[MURDERCAT]

Onwards and upwards, I suppose.

[MURDERCAT]

Titus == RC is kodak moment of the game btw.

[MURDERCAT]

Lynch Nero tomorrow I think.

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I trust Infinity.

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Give Chumba credit please.

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I messaged KTS

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Infinity I think we get to be friends after this, I really do.

[MURDERCAT]

Titus wouldn't troll.

[MURDERCAT]

Chilled is flipping scum, we have enough people claiming town still to confirm.

[MURDERCAT]

Seriously, I know that to be true.

[MURDERCAT]

Chumba if I die tonight instead of you ask yourself why they didn't kill the confirmed townie.

[MURDERCAT]

Good night all. I fear I may not be with you in the morning.

[MURDERCAT]

If Nero is scum and we lose this game I will be very disappointed in you.

[MURDERCAT]

GG scum

This is a scum claim, IMO

[MURDERCAT]

Infinity is way too in my head to be scum

[MURDERCAT]

Why am I still reading this. Good night.

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks N. I think it's Nero.

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By the way, infinity is conf town because if he were scum then he had a chance to win yesterday and didn't take it.

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Yeah you could have flipped Titus yesterday and won, IIRC.

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I mean I knew what you were doing, it's just that it would make sense as scum and town.

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Yeah. We are 3-1 so we can all safely vote except for infinity.

VOTE: Nero

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah will do probably tomorrow.

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Clearly my plan yesterday was to confirm infinity as town so he would have to do all the work to win the game

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We are either going to feel really good about being right about Titus being town or we are going to feel really fucking stupid for not listening to everyone else.

[MURDERCAT]

Titus you may as well vote Nero

[MURDERCAT]

Murder, why did you think it was titus/chilled before?

Also, what was your read on blackstar? KAAG?

Nero, does titus usually moonlogic as scum?

Also, have you used WIFOM for your late game kills as scum in the past, or have you only killed people that suspected you?

Titus, can you answer my other questions too please

I'll probably do through the game more tomorrow, but I always thought blackstar was town going off and being upset he was lynch bait and KAAG was null, but townlean by poe.

I thought Titus was scum yesterday because it seemed like Titus was expecting me to vote chilled and by giving her vote to me, removed herself from the process. If she was scum, that would be an easy way to avoid having to explain suddenly wanting chilled dead, while still being able to vote there. Then I was paranoid so I thought that she was bussing a useless teammate to try and win the next day but I don't really think that makes sense.

[MURDERCAT]

I reread it yesterday, it looked like a fairly whatever catch up and a push for an easy mislynch. I'll reread it knowing chilled is scum though.

[MURDERCAT]

Pushing you out the gate to please infinity would have been a higher percentage play and I think Titus would agree. She could even have said something like chilled and nero must be scum, let's lynch them both, but she clearly avoided doing that. She avoided trying to set up any lynch at all other than the one on scum.

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I'll go look at some KAAG scum games, I know there is at least one.

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Respond to 5104 Nero.

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Wait shit, I mean 5101

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Yeah she was not hard town reading you. Mollie died because she was forming a town block and doing a damn good job at it.

[MURDERCAT]

I think she had a town lean, but that's not why she died.

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Fair enough, we can check the scum PT in post game.

[MURDERCAT]

right

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VCA coming tomorrow

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Eh I kinda just wanna say fuck it, lynch Nero, but I think I owe this game more than that. I will do my VCA and ISOs tomorrow.

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Why are you sighing Nero.

[MURDERCAT]

To be fair the site was down for a day and it was marathon weekend.

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Spoiler: I'm better at this than infinity

Votecount

MURDERCAT

(2)

: Titus,

KuroiXHF

RachMarie

(1): Nero Cain

chilledtea

(1):

pirate mollie

TehBrawlGuy

(1):

Infinity 324

pirate mollie

(1): MURDERCAT

Chumba

(1):

Pants98

Titus (1):

Dunnstral

Currently not voting (5):

Chumba

,

Mathblade

,

chilledtea

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

Votecount

Titus

(4/7)

:

TehBrawlGuy

,

Infinity 324

, MURDERCAT,

Pants98

MURDERCAT (3/7): Titus,

KuroiXHF

,

Mathblade

RachMarie

(1/7): Nero Cain

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

Currently not voting (3):

Dunnstral

,

chilledtea

,

RachMarie

Votecount

Titus

(3/7)

:

Mathblade

,

Infinity 324

, Titus
MURDERCAT (1/7):

KuroiXHF

RachMarie

(1/7): Nero Cain

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

Infinity 324

(1/7):

TehBrawlGuy

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (4): MURDERCAT,

Dunnstral

,

chilledtea

,

RachMarie

Votecount

Pants98

(2/7)

:

Infinity 324

,

TehBrawlGuy

chilledtea

(2/7):

pirate mollie

,

Dunnstral

Titus (1/7):

Mathblade

MURDERCAT (1/7):

KuroiXHF

RachMarie

(1/7): Nero Cain

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (4): MURDERCAT,

chilledtea

,

RachMarie

, Titus

Votecount

chilledtea

(3/7):

pirate mollie

,

Dunnstral

, Titus
Titus (2/7):

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

Pants98

(1/7):

TehBrawlGuy

RachMarie

(1/7): Nero Cain

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (4): MURDERCAT,

chilledtea

,

RachMarie

,

KuroiXHF

Votecount

Titus

(4/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

Chumba

,

TehBrawlGuy

Pants98

(2/7):

Dunnstral

,

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

RachMarie

(1/7): Nero Cain

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (4): MURDERCAT,

chilledtea

,

KuroiXHF

, Titus

Votecount

Titus

(3/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

TehBrawlGuy

(2/7):

Chumba

, Titus
MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

RachMarie

(1/7):

Dunnstral

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (4): MURDERCAT,

chilledtea

,

KuroiXHF

, Nero Cain

Votecount

Titus

(5/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

, Nero Cain,

chilledtea

TehBrawlGuy

(2/7):

Chumba

, Titus
MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

RachMarie

(1/7):

Dunnstral

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (2): MURDERCAT,

KuroiXHF

Votecount

Titus

(5/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

, Nero Cain,

chilledtea

TehBrawlGuy

(2/7):

Chumba

, Titus
MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

RachMarie

(1/7):

Dunnstral

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (2): MURDERCAT,

KuroiXHF

Votecount

Titus

(4/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

,

chilledtea

Pants98

(3/7):

Dunnstral

, Nero Cain, Titus

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Currently not voting (2): MURDERCAT,

KuroiXHF

Votecount

Titus

(4/7)

:

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

,

chilledtea

Pants98

(3/7):

Dunnstral

, Nero Cain, Titus

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

chilledtea

(1/7):

pirate mollie

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Infinity 324

(1/7):

KuroiXHF

Currently not voting (1): MURDERCAT

Votecount

Pants98

(5/7)

:

Dunnstral

, Nero Cain, Titus,

chilledtea

, MURDERCAT
Titus (3/7):

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

Mathblade

(1/7):

Pants98

Infinity 324

(1/7):

KuroiXHF

Currently not voting (1):

pirate mollie

Votecount

Pants98

(6/7)

:

Dunnstral

, Nero Cain, Titus,

chilledtea

, MURDERCAT,

pirate mollie

Titus (3/7):

Mathblade

,

RachMarie

,

TehBrawlGuy

TehBrawlGuy

(1/7):

Chumba

MURDERCAT (1/7):

Infinity 324

Infinity 324

(1/7):

KuroiXHF

Currently not voting (1):

Pants98

Votecount

chilledtea

(3/6):

Dunnstral

,

Mathblade

, Nero Cain
MURDERCAT (1/6): Titus

Mathblade

(1/6):

pirate mollie

Currently not voting (5):

KuroiXHF

, MURDERCAT,

Infinity 324

,

Chumba

,

chilledtea

Votecount

KuroiXHF

(4/6):

Mathblade

, Titus,

chilledtea

, MURDERCAT

chilledtea

(2/6):

KuroiXHF

, Nero Cain
Titus (1/6):

Dunnstral

Currently not voting (5):

KuroiXHF

, MURDERCAT,

Infinity 324

,

Chumba

,

chilledtea

,

pirate mollie

Votecount

KuroiXHF

(3/6):

Titus,

chilledtea

, MURDERCAT

chilledtea

(2/6):

KuroiXHF

, Nero Cain

Infinity 324

(2/6):

Mathblade

,

Dunnstral

Currently not voting (3): MURDERCAT,

Infinity 324

,

Chumba

,

pirate mollie

Votecount

KuroiXHF

(6/6):

Titus,

chilledtea

, MURDERCAT,

Dunnstral

,

Chumba

,

Mathblade

chilledtea

(3/6):

KuroiXHF

, Nero Cain,

pirate mollie

Currently not voting (1):

Infinity 324

[MURDERCAT]

1. Did Titus and kuroi slots both vote me alone? (1)
2. Did Titus slot bus chilled? (5)
3. Did chilled bus Titus slot? Was Nero slot voting with scummy buddy? (8)
4. Which jump onto pants was scummier? (10)
5. Did Nero slot bus Chilled? (14)
6. Did Titus help bus Kuroi? (15)

[MURDERCAT]

I will now answer those...

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Fun fact: we were playing this game during the last server crash too. Or at least I was, maybe you guys weren't.
Another fun fact: If we win this game it will have been with 0 help from our PRs as our cop was shot n1, our doc didn't protect anyone, and our vig shot obv town.

1. Did Titus and kuroi slots both vote me alone? (1)

Spoiler: quotes

VOTE: murdercat We don't tolerate murderous felines in this town.

Gunsling: zefiend[/v]

Thanks buddy.

Duel at high noon: MURDERCAT

Scum probably are not likely to RVS vote together like this, but it's all wifom. NAI

2. Did Titus slot bus chilled? (5)

Spoiler: quotes

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

@BlackStar:

What happened to your scumread on Dunnstral?

He admitted that he was wrong and then he took a step back and changed his read on me. I'm town and I was close to being lynch so if he was scum it would've been easier for him to just let me die.

1) You are not town.

2) You are not close to being lynched.

3) While it is true that if dunn was scum it could have been easier for him to just let you die, he would also be held responsible for his vote and scum always have this fear. You do not, however consider this and I think this is probably because you are scum yourself.

4/7 votes with the town being heavily against you isn't close to a lynch? Okay, I'll keep that in mind in the future. And if I don't consider every possibility at all moments in time, it's because I'm scum. Got it.

This reads more like TvS than SvS to me.

3. Did chilled bus Titus slot? Was Nero slot voting with scummy buddy? (8)

Spoiler: quotes

I think BlackStar isn't consistent about his reads and pushes because he doesn't care who dies as long as it's not him.

I have to say that this is exactly how I feel about blackstar at this point of reading.

He said that his point of view on me changed when people came in with cases. But there was no case. Derek basically said that my entrance was bad and fluff was bad, which was already mentioned by accountant a long time back. Transcend, I don't even remember what was transcend's case on me. Actually I just checked his ISO, he has no case on me. TBG said something about feeling bad about my post and that was it.

Blackstar later on retracts his vote on me referencing how he wanted to "pressure" me into participation or something along those lines. Which contradicts with what he said about him scum reading me because of cases.

Page 31

excuse me, what? Can you clarify this?

Clarify it how? Cases are scummy (quite a few people on this site think so and even one player believes it so much he has it as his title under his avatar)

Disagree that cases are scummy. First time I am actually hearing this actually.

The only thing that can be considered as scummy is if a case is made in an attempt to frame someone - that is if there are lies or misrepping involved in the case.

Why are you contributing so little? Serious question: I've played with you before and you were vocal. Need a reason please.

Thanks for providing proof that meta is basically useless, especially for things like activity.

The game hasn't played out in the way games play normally. Most games don't have 44 pages on day 1. The game started out with a huge burst of activity within 5 or so hours and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here since you are a replacement, you probably don't realize this. When I first opened this thread it was standing at 7 or 8 pages with an argument going on where there was no scope for me to input anything coherent.

This is why I am mostly catching up with this thread, and it is also the case for a lot of other people.

Chilled, I guess what I'm having trouble with is that in our last game you lead town (even before you were confirmed) and in this game you have a very go with the flow feeling. I realize you are catching up, but in your first post you say Black is scum, you don't take a stance on me, and say Accountant and TBG are lean town. These are pretty generic reads that represent the overall game state. You then go through the whole game and only really poke at BS some more, continue to not really take stances anywhere, and defend posts directed at you. Even without meta, it looks like you are coasting. So yeah, an updated reads list would be nice and if you could explain what about KAAG's catchup didn't look good to you that would be great too, because I thought it was fine.

Have you played with KAAG?

He catches up like that regardless of alignment. There was not much in there that you could say was "wrong" but it sure wasn't indicative of anything. Also his observations, especially on me felt a bit off.

Also black is scum. Not my fault others have said this before, that is not going with the flow. It is what I feel. His reactions to pushes from anyone didn't feel like coming from town to me.

It definitely felt like he was ok with any lynch as long as it's not him. I also do not consider self-votes as something that comes from town and frankly, such a suggestion is ridiculous. Self-votes very rarely come from town - town has no reason to self-vote. Also considering the fact that the self-vote is pretty much his only defence and it shouldn't be surprising why people might be thinking it was a gambit more than actual emotion.

As far as me not taking a stance on you, I feel you are BS's partner the way you are (hard?)defending him. I also feel that maybe you wouldn't do it as scum. So I am conflicted.

It is difficult for me to know where you stand at and this isn't the first time this has happened to me in mafia. The previous game we played with you were scummy on day 1 and actually, there were some things you did that I just didn't see coming from town. It wasn't until day 3 I town read you.

If I had to take a stance it would be that you are scum, especially given the fact that you conveniently have placed everybody who was either inactive or had little activity in your null/scum reads.

I don't have much to say regarding coasting. It is day 1, there were problems, I have caught up now. I don't see myself lagging behind now.

Suffice it to say I am scum reading you, blackstar and to some extent I feel that IAI//KAAG/Transcend could be scum. IAI hasn't really done anything and he has had real life problems and KAAG wall is at least something. Dunn, accountant, zefiend, tbg, chumba are all prob town. Transcend is something of a special case because he is getting replaced, so it is better to reserved judgement till the replacement. Derek is prob town, liked his re-entry. Rach I don't know, dunn makes a valid point about maybe she is whiteknighting but maybe she is more observant that's a possibility as well. I mean she is voting black, and there is a very low chance that black is town/she is bussing him. This applies to KAAG as well, unless he has changed his game a lot (which is possible), he doesn't bus his buddies this quickly and generally tries to create a counter wagon.

This is assuming that black is scum, of course. Which I feel pretty confident of at the moment. I was thinking of his lynch until you came in with your "I am waiting for chilled's catchup!" and now I feel worse about you because what you contributed after my catchup isn't really much other than to say I was more inactive compared to our previous game, or that I have similar scum reads to others. In fact, I knew that there wasn't going to be much anyways. I felt that you were posturing taking advantage of my inactivity of acting like you have actual reads and cases, when you don't.

You're still sore about that LyLo then, chilled?

to some extent I feel that IAI//KAAG/Transcend could be scum.

Is there anything to this read other than lack of activity from IAI/my predecessor? (Transcend I get). Also, do you think saying "X could be scum" is useful: does it not apply to everyone?

The game hasn't played out in the way games play normally. Most games don't have 44 pages on day 1. The game started out with a huge burst of activity within 5 or so hours and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here since you are a replacement, you probably don't realize this.

I did realize that, but you were online almost constantly in our last game, so I was expecting more content, even taking that into account.

You're still sore about that LyLo then, chilled?

to some extent I feel that IAI//KAAG/Transcend could be scum.

Is there anything to this read other than lack of activity from IAI/my predecessor? (Transcend I get). Also, do you think saying "X could be scum" is useful: does it not apply to everyone?

The game hasn't played out in the way games play normally. Most games don't have 44 pages on day 1. The game started out with a huge burst of activity within 5 or so hours and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt here since you are a replacement, you probably don't realize this.

I did realize that, but you were online almost constantly in our last game, so I was expecting more content, even taking that into account.

No, it doesn't apply to everyone. One of the most classical scum moves is to lurk in background while town fight it amongst themselves. I don't think others are guilty of this.

That was regarding your predecessor and IAI.

Regarding content, my content always differs with situation. A situation like lylo is different to day 1.

MC is probably town. His case on blackstar is bad though. It feels like it is full of confirmation bias.

VOTE : Blackstar

I think this is best choice for lynch today. I disagree with MC regarding this but I feel MC could be town because of his defence of blackstar seems sincere. Further I find it really difficult to believe that scum would defend their buddies in this manner, and MC is probably not experienced as scum (I don't really know this) to use wifom at this level.

For what it's worth he did something similar in our last game so unless he is trying to fool me here, in which case he is successful, I think he is town.

MC is probably town. His case on blackstar is bad though.

It feels like it is full of confirmation bias.

VOTE : Blackstar

I think this is best choice for lynch today. I disagree with MC regarding this but I feel MC could be town because of his defence of blackstar seems sincere. Further I find it really difficult to believe that scum would defend their buddies in this manner, and MC is probably not experienced as scum (I don't really know this) to use wifom at this level.

For what it's worth he did something similar in our last game so unless he is trying to fool me here, in which case he is successful, I think he is town.

That describes the vast majority of the posts that you and accountant have made

4. Which jump onto pants was scummier? (10)

Spoiler: quotes

Transcend/Pants:

Just got home, I skimmed the game when it was at 2 pages while at work. I came back and there's already 11 freakin' pages.

Not gonna lie but I have a nasty headcold, and I don't really want to read this right now, however tomorrow is my Friday and I have lots of time to read and contribute after work.

Alright, I lied. I did read the game.

Brawl's vote on chumba was bad. Potential scum there. I didn't like his reason for voting it and his intro post looked a bit fluffed up.

Dunn/murder prob TVT. If one is scum it's Dunn. They're not MVM.

BlackStar has been very bad and has made a few scummy votes and a few potentially forced lines.

All I know about Accountant is that in the game I played with him, he wasn't as headstrong and dominant as he is this time. This behavior switch is NAI to me imo. I personally think using metagame is really stupid, because I along with others don't play the same way every game.

I can elaborate on any of these reads if necessary.

VOTE: blackstar

I can rest happy with my vote on this dude.

It's not the "I lied" that gives me the scum vibe, it's the 20 minutes between these two posts. Is that time to read the game properly? No. Scum don't read the game properly, they have no need to hunt. Reason for throwing shade on Brawl is a total nothing, no elaboration on BS (who I didn't mind in pages 1 - 10), comment on Accountant contributes nothing. Vague promise to elaborate later. It's a scum post.

VOTE: Accountant

BlackStar let's go

300ish posts had occurred between his last post and these two. Also, he was scum reading BS, but is now asking him to get on a fresh wagon with him. No sign he's kept up, it's just busy posts, to look like doing something.

I'll longpost if I really have to, but I just want everyone to analyze Accountant's pushes. They look so ingenuine and fake.

Another example of someone who isn't reading, but simply knows what end result they want. "Make my case for me", essentially.

[Transcend, Chumba, MURDERCAT, Dunnstral, Derek12]
[zefiend]
[BlackStar, TehBrawlGuy]
[chilledtea, Accountant]

Leave aside that I disagree with 3 of the bottom 4 at that stage, this post came 5 minutes later. If I didn't think he was up to date before, how did he make reads in 5 minutes?

his interactions and pushes with you/blackstar look bad.

This is regarding Accountant in context: again, just "bad" as a reason, no analysis.

I think the push on me was fine because it started the game. I thought the push on blackstar was fine because blackstar did some scummy things. Do you not?

it started the game but his push on you did not feel sincere.

So was this (about Accountant). Getting a wagon going is my favourite way to leave RVS: to use it as a reason to scum read Accountant is nonsense.

I don't think TBG will get lynched because I think town is smart enough to not lynch obvtown.

this doesn't feel genuine either being truthful.

I don't even understand this. TBG doesn't need white-knighting, so he can't think Accountant is doing so. So does he think Accountant is defending a buddy?

Ok but why are you town reading them like that is what I'm saying

There was a line he said that was really genuine lemme find it.

I have a hard time reading MURDERCAT. To be blunt, shit like 108 makes it hard for me to distinguish.if.he's scum or just playing poorly now. :3

People are rightly asking about his read list: here is his full reason for having Derek top tier (which seems unlikely to me at that stage). His reads are made up.

By the way, I ISOed accountant and I don't think that he's scum anymore. I think my biggest problem with him was that he was death tunneling me but his posts from before that were pretty decent. And rereading everything made me see where he was coming from with his scumread on me

Man...

Yuck.

He replaces out then.
Blackstar:
Post 452 (a repost with fixed typos) contains yuck, such as

OMGUS is a normal reaction and you're being scummy for acting like it isn't

No it isn't, and no. You should vote because someone is scum: if town votes for you, convince them you're not. Note that there is more yuck here but this the most egregious: it's a long post to quote it all.

Chumba I strongly believe you should take your vote off TBG. There is very little chance he is going to be lynched at this point so it's essentially a vanity wagon. Your vote is your weapon; put it where it can do you, and us, some good.

We're only a couple of real life days into day 1. Why would you act like there's almost no hence for his wagon to gain steam?

Because I have faith that this town is smart.

They're close to mislynching me and they're letting half the players get away with barely posting...

A 101 scum tell: calling a lynch on them a "mislynch", rather than just saying "lynch".

BlackStar, can you explain clearly why you called Dunnstral's post a classic scum move, then went on to assert that people who use the phrase "classic scum move" are scummy?

Because I was mad and being sarcastic. And then later on I noticed that brawl had said that like 3 or 4 different times and felt like he was trying to manipulate people's opinions

I

AM

trying to manipulate people's opinions, and I said as much. I don't know why you see it as scummy. If I find scum and can't persuade the town I'm not going to be terribly effective - why wouldn't I use every tool in my kit to do so?

Townies convince people. Scum manipulate.

They're the same damn thing. You just said one with positively charged words and one with negatively charged words.

con·vince
kənˈvins/
verb
1. cause (someone) to believe firmly in the truth of something.




ma·nip·u·late
məˈnipyəˌlāt/
verb
1. 

control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.

Meaningless post, trying to look like he's contributing.

I don't think you were behaving in an unethical manner.

That's because you're white knighting him

White knighting is when scun defend newbs/timid folks who are struggling to defend themselves. Brawl has no such issues. He can't surely believe this is WKing?

Accountant, do you believe in meta?

I believe that meta exists. I believe that some uses of it are valid, and others are not.

I want you to back and look at a few of my games. Pick any 3 at random

KAAG's policy is that asking people to meta you is generally scummy. Not always but it's a ping.

And I don't get you're not considering the possibility that he's trying to manipulate people as scum.

Seems less likely, because why would he then admit to trying to manipulate then? Makes little sense.

@Brawl Your post didn't give off the feeling of completely not giving a fuck like his did. He doesn't care if I'm town or not. He's already acted like he's 100% certain i'm scum, so he feels he can't afford to go back on that now. If I have 10+ games exactly like this and i was town in all of those, obviously I can't help playing like this and you need to take that into consideration. Even if there's a chance that I might be scum, there's clearly a much larger chance that I'm town

Even if we were to accept a meta defense, (which would be an awful idea) from our point of view there's not really any way of verifying you play this way exclusively as town as opposed to as both alignments. One game where you were in the mafia and played well is not nearly enough for us to be like "

yup, he always plays well as mafia and poorly as town

".

That's not what I'm saying... Ugh, it doesn't feel like you guys will listen to anything that I say and you all need to look for people who are actually members of the scum team, so here VOTE: blackstar End the day, see that i'm town, spend the night analyzing people's interactions with me and their reasons for joining my wagon. Hopefully tomorrow you go after someone who is in the mafia

Either newb or scum. And his post count says he's not newb.

That's not what I'm saying... Ugh, it doesn't feel like you guys will listen to anything that I say and you all need to look for people who are actually members of the scum team, so here VOTE: blackstar End the day, see that i'm town, spend the night analyzing people's interactions with me and their reasons for joining my wagon. Hopefully tomorrow you go after someone who is in the mafia

Dude if you are town never self vote.

Why not?

Because you are voting for the one person you KNOW is town! But you have played enough games on site, are you really saying you don't understand this? Your self-vote seems like you're trying to come across as frustrated townie, but it's so fake.

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

Vote someone who is inactive (even though the thread is moving at 100mph) with the reason being "he's suspicious". Some of the people calling chilled suspicious (I think it was Dunnstral and TBG mainly) had called you the same, so how is it a good reason?

I think BlackStar isn't consistent about his reads and pushes because he doesn't care who dies as long as it's not him.

Lol okay

This was my impression too, with the benefit of being detached.

Sub me out.

I can't give this game the attention it deserves, give my slot to someone who can.

I think this is a sign that you guys were right about him being scum

How do you figure?

You presented a good case against him and got someone to join his wagon. It's possible that he felt like more votes were coming so he subbed out before he could get lynched. I mean, that timing is pretty weird

Transcend is scummy, but come on, this is yuck. "Wow looks like you guys were right, tactical replace"? If you are town, posts like this is why you get scum read.

Oh yeah, and it's not scummy to change your reads.

I agree. It is scummy to do it for tenuous reasons, like activity (chilled) and because someone else scummy (Transcend) asks you to (Accountant).

I voted BS because Transcend replaced out, but now Pants is in, I'm changing. When making Black's case, there were times in his ISO I thought he might possibly be town, though overall he's scummy. Transcend I'm super convinced on.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Pants98

Accountant, can you give reads on all players. Just a quick list; I understand you want BS lynched but I'd like to know where you currently are on the others.

BlackStar, what do you think of Transcend?

I legitimately can't remember anything that he's even said. That's kind of a red flag. Who replaced him again?

You can get a selection of his posts from the Spoilered case I posted near top of this page. Pants is his replacement.

Pretty good case. I don't like how devoid of substance Transcend's posts were. Pants needs time to catch up, but I think I'll leave some pressure on him anyway.
VOTE: pants

This could go either way. KAAG posted a case and pushed that mislynch, but Black's sheep isn't great either.

5. Did Nero slot bus Chilled? (14)

Spoiler: quotes

chilled

You were very quiet towards the end of the day? Reads?

I need to do some re-reading of my own.

KAAG, I didn't really have much to say at twilight. I wanted pants lynch and was waiting for the flip.

I didn't like accountant during the later parts of day 1 but I need to do a re-read.

Okay.

I am not ignoring anything.

I think accountant is scum and he was on the wagon.

So I am not looking elsewhere. I just do not consider the no. of scum on his wagon to be of importance at the moment because it is pointless.

If you've made a case on Accountant, can you point me at it?

@Dunn

, I was the only one who voted Pants on that wagon based 100% on Transcend's posts, so I don't get why I'm a scum read. Help me out here and actually explain you reads please. Because other than Chumba and chilled, I don't really get them.

I haven't made a case so I cannot.

VOTE: chilledtea

Accountant's obviously telling the truth about being a vig, the game is called gunslingers after all. Not to mention that he admitted to killing someone that some people (including me) thought was obv!town, even if he disagreed.

No way chilled and Accountant is TvT.

KAAG's last post can be categorically summarized as

"Yes I agree"

'No I was honest"

"Agreed"

"BS read list"

I want to know why town accountant does what he did.

It is immaterial imo what is the optimal play for an SK.

I want to know why town accountant does what he did.

It is immaterial imo what is the optimal play for an SK.

Because he honestly read TBG as scum, and wanted to be the big-bad scum hunter extraordinaire?

You've never seen a bad vig shot before?

OK, tl;dr version:

"Why would I (pm) NK Rach?"

Because you saw she was the cop.

chilled's claim isn't believable. Think he's scum.

Derek hasn't made any strong reads or held strong opinions, scum leaning him (or his slot)

Please don't vig Titus, Accountant! Prefer Derek from your choices.

I didn't disappear: my daughter had a dance show and work was horrible today, didn't take lunch.

Accountant + Dunnstral strong town, Titus lean town
Derek + chilled scum

Probably believe Kuroi's claim more than chilled.

Others in the murky middle, not sure.

I think that's the highlights.

This could very well have been a bus. It starts with a kind of lame vote which looks like distance and then after chilled's terrible claim he just kind of sticks it until he replaces out.

6. Did Titus help bus Kuroi? (15)

Spoiler: quotes

I did. She reacted psychotically, in an illogical way. That's how scum reacts.

Again, don't get personal over another player. I'm not looking to play this sort of game that ika and silet wolf played.

I say what I mean. I don't play semantics

VOTE: Kuroi

Town are not fucking robots. Nor am I. You're personally attacking obvtown who I love and respect.

I protect people who I care about, even if over the top.

You can say her reaction was scummy. Psychotic is an attack on her character and I won't stand for it.

I am. You were in my scumpool anyway before you did what you did. You just made the decision as to which scum to vote first a no brainer.

Yeah apologizing to her would be a start. You weren't attacking her arguments.

Second, I am not the word police. Almost every world has the right context.

Yet here, why did you say psychotic instead of scummy? Because you know Mollie is town.

I think Kuroi is scum because of the timing of his claim. He wasL minus 2 for awhile. People started to coalesce lynch Kuroi then vig Derek slot.

Then Kuroi claims doctor and asks for CC. Nope. Not buying it.

Then there's the earlier play. His position on whether Dunn should have been lynched is awkward. He said he's null on Dunn, like he wants on Pants. So no lynch. Null people aren't townie. Why defend Dunn like that?

Kuroi votes Derek and engages Dunn about it. Neither of their posting looks like they are sorting each other at all. They're talking about viable lynches but neither really questions the other's alignment. Yet, neither claim to be hard townreading each other.

People start to pick up on these patterns. Kuroi goes to L minus 2.

People coalesce more.

Ten Kuroi claims.

Not buying it.

Then there's Dunn's reads list which suggests Kuroi scum if he is too.

I think Kuroi is scum because of the timing of his claim. He wasL minus 2 for awhile. People started to coalesce lynch Kuroi then vig Derek slot.

I asked for a vote count. I asked because votes are changing left and right and I don't want to claim at L-3.

Then Kuroi claims doctor and asks for CC. Nope. Not buying it.

For all you know, ChilledTea is the CC - or I'm ChilledTea's CC.

Kuroi votes Derek and engages Dunn about it. Neither of their posting looks like they are sorting each other at all. They're talking about viable lynches but neither really questions the other's alignment. Yet, neither claim to be hard townreading each other.

You're correct, but only by a technicality. We both scum read a whole lot of other people. I think it's safe to say we are more likely to town reach each other before we town read a couple of others.

People coalesce more.

At first I thought that was a typo, but you keep using it. I'm not familiar with this term.

Ten Kuroi claims.

Not buying it.

Even the best salesman can't sell bacon to a Jew. I don't think I could say anything to convince you I'm town. I'm certainly not trying.

Snipped:

The scumteam

I was looking through various ISOs. I don't remember what triggered that request. Yet, I came across 440 by Dunn. It just felt weird. No townreads, but those look like three distinct piles. It was a

hmm

moment. How can you have enough to form into three categories, yet have zero unique townreads? Scum do indeed like to include no more than one buddy at town generally if newer. (Not an absolute rule, just a general pattern). So I decided to push on it.

Kuroi's response to me felt highly partner indicative, after his bad push on Mollie in 2142 (pushing to find scum instead of town is not scummy like at all).I asked him what he thought of a Dunn wagon in 2145. Two posts later, Kuroi attempts to associate Dunn with Pants. He says that there are better lynches in Chilledtea and Derek. Kuroi said that Dunn is a bad push

because he is null

. He repeats that null lynches are bad mantra again in 2152. He also attempts to start a Derek wagon. Chilledtea had a wagon on him at the time, so why would Kuroi get off to support a Derek wagon, when Derek had no content? Because he could get the jist that Chilledtea wasn't happening. Most town lynches were not happening, so he wanted credit for a bus and by asking the questions, I had effectively moved him to that point.

I wanted to jump down at this point and claim that Kuroi and Dunn were partners. Yet, Dunn immediately started interacting with Kuroi. Given they both nullread each other, this was an excellent place to try the sit out and wait approach to see what happens. Posts 2157 and 2160 are focused more on the viability of wagons, than of sorting Dunn. Towards the end of the conversation, they haven't asked each other about

how

they acquired their reads or anything that would help sort each other. At the end of the conversation, Dunn OMGUSes me, stating that the townread he had on Blackstar was gone. His read on Blackstar changing makes no sense. He had Blackstar as a vig suggestion before the RachMarie flip. Now the slot is solid town.

He's also highlighting and making a huge fuss over the Pants wagon needing to have scum on it. If he's scum, that's a red neon flag that the entire pants wagon was town. Combined with Blackstar stating that Dunn was whiteknighting the fuck out of the wagon.

Derek I've had no interaction but the things I've seen from him indicate that he's scum to me too.

@Kuroi, Because I'm not wrong. That's why I'm not unvoting you. You're STILL doing the Look at me I'm a wounded puppy dance. Now, I'm not playing favorites with Mollie and the implication here is resentful. If I thought she was scum, I'd pin her ass to the wall so fast your head would spin. I'm that kind of player.

You've been insinuating that players are playing for other than game reasons rather than reading the thread and then complaining that the insults are clogging the game thread. You don't get to have it both ways. You can't argue that I'm not playing the game because I hard core scumread you and then argue that it's noise completely disregarding the fact my scumread isn't over that stupid word at all.

All your interactions since I subbed in indicate that your partners with Dunn and Derek. A null read is an excellent place to push.

@Accountant, This is one semantic thing here. A town tell = unquestioningly indicates the slot is town. A town indicatior = Suggests the slot is town. A lot of people use town tell like you do, and it's a personal annoyance of mine because it doesn't convey what you mean it to convey.

You're STILL doing the Look at me I'm a wounded puppy dance.

Still? When did you first think I'm doing the wounded puppy dance? The part I really wanted people to read were my other games. Did you read those? Do you know anything about how I play my games?

Now, I'm not playing favorites with Mollie

I thank you for making that change. It means a lot.

You've been insinuating that players are playing for other than game reasons rather than reading the thread and then complaining that the insults are clogging the game thread.

I've not insinuated a single person of doing that. I explicitly said it to you and with Mollie, I expressed concern. I showed skepticism, but for all the things I don't like about Mollie, I don't consider her a liar. (Unless she's lying about being scum. I mean lying about stuff like this.)

You can't argue that I'm not playing the game because I hard core scumread you and then argue that it's noise completely disregarding the fact my scumread isn't over that stupid word at all.

That was never my complaint. My complaint was that you scum read me and compounded your scum based on my actions as a person. If you scum read be

solely

because you find that my actions are that of scum, vote me. I just don't want to be voted because you don't like me or you think I'm a jerk.
On a related note, I would really like to put this behind us. I'm sick of arguing this, and I'm sure you are too. Can you promise me right now that you are voting me 100% solely because you think I'm scummy and not because of your perceived attack on Mollie?

All your interactions since I subbed in indicate that your partners with Dunn and Derek. A null read is an excellent place to push.

I've always scum read Derek. I've scum-read Dunnstral until today. Your premise is faulty.

That's only part of it, there is so much. I think that Titus and Kuroi don't like each other and I could see them butting heads even if they were both scum. But Titus isn't attacking Kuroi on a personal level, she keeps adding evidence he is scum. I don't think this is scum theater because if it were, Titus would add more fluff and not be actively trying to lynch Kuroi.

[MURDERCAT]

Thoughts please infinity when you get a chance. ISOs coming tomorrow, I need to sleep.

[MURDERCAT]

Forgot my analysis of 3:

I can definitely see chilled and KAAG being scum buddies in that interaction.

[MURDERCAT]

Also, I'm leaving my vote so if you want to put me out of my misery I don't really mind. If you have any doubt though I will do the ISOs.

[MURDERCAT]

At least give Nero the chance to respond. I'll ISO if I feel like it tomorrow.

PEdit:

Yeah I'm just going to ISO the potential scum teams.

[MURDERCAT]

ISOing...

[MURDERCAT]

First I'll look to see if Titus slot makes sense with Kuroi and Chilled

Spoiler: Through Zefiend replace

Well, I have caught up. Good thing there were no wall posts.

I would like official vote count, thanks mod!

FOS : BlackStar

till that time.

Between murder and black, I would lynch black today. He has been overly defensive and I didn't like his switch from murder to dunn to murder. Feels like deflection.

I am not sure why transcend feels good about chumba because chumba hasn't really done anything other than say that pre-flip associations are bad. Chumba is null.

Like TBG and accountant for town.

Dunn is null.

Regarding murder, we played together in a newbie and he was very scummy, everyone scum read him till day 3. He was town there though. If he is town here it should be easier to read him later on.

I would also say that active lurking argument against chumba is a bit silly since the game just started. Pretty sure there are people who haven't yet completely caught up with the game.

Just caught up. Chilledtea is like not even trying to figure out the game.

@BlackStar

@BlackStar

That wasn't really a defense. I just thought it was silly that

we were rushing towards a lynch

. I also think it's scummy that you're trying to force an association between me and him before he even gets lynched

Several of your posts are giving me bad vibes.

When do you think it's appropriate to start trying to lynch someone?

There IS an association between you and MURDERCAT now. The nature of that association remains to be seen. Also, I believe that was the first time you actually called someone's actions as scummy. Yet, you aren't pushing or pursuing discourse with Dunnstral for his actions.

All you've said is that he gives you a bad feeling, and then outta nowhere, your vote on MURDERCAT is now serious.

Your progression in this game is all over the place. Stop "observing" and start scum-hunting, please.

That's not an association. Any normal person would think it's weird that somebody was at L-2 on like the 3rd page. This game is pretty bad so far. You're all death tunneling a player who clearly seems inexperienced and acting like his mistakes can only be seen as the actions of scum.

OK we'll let the town decide what the definition of "association" is, then.

I think Dunnstral is scum, so murdercat is probably town.
You said that I didn't "pursue discourse with Dunnstral". I wasn't even here so of course I didn't. Dunnstral is trying to tie me to murdercat just because I questioned why everyone was ready to lynch him so quickly. That's ridiculously weak and it's even worse that he's trying to do this before we even get a flip. Then he said my individual actions were scummy but doesn't give any examples of things I've said that he thinks are scummy. He's earned my vote

VOTE: dunnstral

Well at least you've provided a reason for your vote. However I probably need to keep reading to see if that reason is substantiated or not.

@BlackStar, page 10

Blackstar, I noticed that despite quoting his initial argument against efiend, you haven't really given your thoughts on him. So thoughts?

Seems like another opportunist looking for validation from the town

You are going to have to bring more to the table than that if you want to cast shade on my play. I'm interested, though, so I can have a reference point.

My last post tonight will be a reads list so people can have an idea where I stand.

ConvergentConclusion - literally nothing: getting replaced.

MURDERCAT - IGMEOU: he's dropped loads in activity since getting pressured early on. I want to see some conviction and stances from him.

Chumba - lean scum, lynchpool: I of course am interested in hearing her replies to me, but if it's anything like her replies to TBG, I won't be satisfied. In addition to everything I posted earlier, I want to tack on post 464 as being nitpicky and post 504 as bad pathos appeal.

Accountant - slightly above null (townwise): I see his BlackStar trajectory as logical. The only reason he's not higher is because of his opportunism (which he admits to) in pushing MCAT and BlackStar. However, I agree with him that opportunism is just as likely a town trait when one believes he has caught scum.

chilledtea - null: only 4 posts. He needs to contribute more, for sure, but I'm not following where all this "gut" towards him is coming from.

BlackStar - lean scum, lynchpool: He has displayed scummy traits of exceeding self-consciousness and voting to pander to the current state of the game. His defense is very squirmy. His self-vote is very, very bad for a number of reasons.

NightmareGaunt/RachMarie - literally nothing: I'm glad that RachMarie replaced in to an inactive slot.

I Am Innocent - literally nothing: He needs to catch up.

Dunnstral - lean town: He displays a generally carefree attitude with respect to scumhunting and getting questioned which I suspect would be difficult to fake as scum. I have other reasons for town-reading him but I do not want to discuss them right now.

Derek12 - slightly below null (scumwise): as with MURDERCAT, I want to see Derek take some stances and contribute by actually scumhunting. Asking all the questions in the world doesn't mean anything if you have no follow up.

Transcend - below null (scumwise): Coasting. I don't label him lean scum because I give the benefit of the doubt on Day 1. But just being here and posting reads with no other information or content is coasting.

TehBrawlGuy - strong lean town: His points against Chumba have been on point. He has been poking in the right places this game. He has a healthy trajectory of reads. All signs point to townie.

chumba,
Brawl, Derek12, accountant
Null zefiend, Dunnstral, transcend
Scum lean murdercat, chilledtea

Everyone else hasn't really said anything so I can't read them. Your turn

Just caught up. Chilledtea is like not even trying to figure out the game.

This reminds me of my last game where the last remaining scum told me I was bad at scumhunting. After the game ended he retracted it.

@BlackStar:

What happened to your scumread on Dunnstral?

He admitted that he was wrong and then he took a step back and changed his read on me. I'm town and I was close to being lynch so if he was scum it would've been easier for him to just let me die.

1) You are not town.

2) You are not close to being lynched.

3) While it is true that if dunn was scum it could have been easier for him to just let you die, he would also be held responsible for his vote and scum always have this fear. You do not, however consider this and I think this is probably because you are scum yourself.

This scum team is either totally dysfunctional or blackstar is not scum, as of right now.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: Through Kuroi replacing in

Blackstar who are you pushing on

Well, I voted Chilledtea because I wanted to pressure him into posting more and he made a couple of posts but then the site went down and he hasn't come back yet. He's null so far. I'd rather save my vote for someone who really deserves it than just have it sit there doing nothing.

UNVOTE:

I guess I'll reread some stuff

If you're actually Town don't be a goddamn anchor and let some Scum/Derptown hammer you. Ever. if you're going to go down, you go down.

Man up and try to be helpful before you do so that you might actually win the game later.

That's what I'm doing. When I get hammered and flip, you can look at everyone's reasons for joining my wagon. Murdercat, zefiend and accountant seem the most suspicious

meant transcend, not zefiend

How do you mess up something like that?

If you're actually Town don't be a goddamn anchor and let some Scum/Derptown hammer you. Ever. if you're going to go down, you go down.

Man up and try to be helpful before you do so that you might actually win the game later.

That's what I'm doing. When I get hammered and flip, you can look at everyone's reasons for joining my wagon. Murdercat, zefiend and accountant seem the most suspicious

meant transcend, not zefiend

How do you mess up something like that?

They both didn't post much and zefiend voted me at one point so I had them confused. Pretty easy mistake.

If you're actually Town don't be a goddamn anchor and let some Scum/Derptown hammer you. Ever. if you're going to go down, you go down.

Man up and try to be helpful before you do so that you might actually win the game later.

That's what I'm doing. When I get hammered and flip, you can look at everyone's reasons for joining my wagon. Murdercat, Zefiend and accountant seem the most suspicious

Where did your scumread of mine go? I haven't done anything in the time period

from where you poise your suspicion on me and from what I gather neither has zefiend? Accountant and murdercat (from your scum list) are the only ones who were posting in that time frame.

I don't remember what was going on at that point

Pretty sure I didn't say that I had a scumread on you back then

Well you did say I am not even trying to figure out the game. I correlated that with a scum read.

Well you did say I am not even trying to figure out the game. I correlated that with a scum read.

Nope. More like slight suspicion. You were null

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

If you weren't scum reading me, then why did you vote me here?

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

If you weren't scum reading me, then why did you vote me here?

This post is literally 100 posts after the first one you posted. Your questions are getting more and more pointless.

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

If you weren't scum reading me, then why did you vote me here?

This post is literally 100 posts after the first one you posted. Your questions are getting more and more pointless.

It isn't pointless because I had no activity between those two points. You reads developed on me conveniently as derek and transcend came into the picture with their reads.

So yes, it isn't pointless.

Well you did say I am not even trying to figure out the game. I correlated that with a scum read.

Nope. More like slight suspicion. You were null

Really?

Scum lean murdercat, chilledtea

That says something different to me...

And that's from after I voted him. Obviously if I voted him, he moved into the scum pile

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed

almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon,

not from anyone in particular just in general

Interesting. I haven't really noticed that, but I guess you have a point seeing as how nobody is voting him even though most of us say we think he's suspicious

VOTE: chilledtea

If you weren't scum reading me, then why did you vote me here?

This post is literally 100 posts after the first one you posted. Your questions are getting more and more pointless.

It isn't pointless because I had no activity between those two points. You reads developed on me conveniently as derek and transcend came into the picture with their reads.

So yes, it isn't pointless.

It is pointless. When people present cases against someone, it has an effect on your reads. Only a psycho would have static reads throughout the entire game. Oh no, Blackstar changed his reads after people posted why they thought chilled was scummy! Only scum would do that! Do you see how silly that sounds?

MC is probably town. His case on blackstar is bad though. It feels like it is full of confirmation bias.

VOTE : Blackstar

I think this is best choice for lynch today. I disagree with MC regarding this but I feel MC could be town because of his defence of blackstar seems sincere. Further I find it really difficult to believe that scum would defend their buddies in this manner, and MC is probably not experienced as scum (I don't really know this) to use wifom at this level.

For what it's worth he did something similar in our last game so unless he is trying to fool me here, in which case he is successful, I think he is town.

MC is probably town. His case on blackstar is bad though.

It feels like it is full of confirmation bias.

VOTE : Blackstar

I think this is best choice for lynch today. I disagree with MC regarding this but I feel MC could be town because of his defence of blackstar seems sincere. Further I find it really difficult to believe that scum would defend their buddies in this manner, and MC is probably not experienced as scum (I don't really know this) to use wifom at this level.

For what it's worth he did something similar in our last game so unless he is trying to fool me here, in which case he is successful, I think he is town.

That describes the vast majority of the posts that you and accountant have made

Chilled and Blackstar just like, aren't scum together.

[MURDERCAT]

You know what, just reading through this I've seen some of the posts about KAAG by scum and between Kuroi's nonsense town read and Chilled's "he seems scummy but I'm never going to actually push him or give evidence" I think it's clear that's he's the scum. I also think there's no no no way that chilled buses both teammates. Let's lynch Nero.

If Titus is scum I'll be mad, but everything is pointing towards Nero for me.

[MURDERCAT]

@infinity

do the thing

[MURDERCAT]

(btw, kuroi sees his partner is dead and is bussing and chilled is distancing)

[MURDERCAT]

Just sayin

[MURDERCAT]

Chumba also amazingly has 100 more posts than me, which never happens.

[MURDERCAT]

Lol exactly

[MURDERCAT]

GG everyone

[MURDERCAT]

Someone come claim please

[MURDERCAT]

No one is on lol

[MURDERCAT]

I am town claiming obviously, so we get to be friends infinity!

[MURDERCAT]

cool

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah. Yeah it was.

[MURDERCAT]

(Assuming no troll, which I don't think Titus would do)

Infinity replace in won the game, IMO. Dunn lynch was complete trash in retrospect.

[MURDERCAT]

pls

[MURDERCAT]

ok sorry for trolling, I'm actually scum, gg everyone.

[MURDERCAT]

Wow 22 players, that's crazy. I blame Accountant versus me, everyone versus blackstar, and Chumba versus TBG. It was all just walls of shit really.

[MURDERCAT]

Interesting! Who was saying something about day chat...?

[MURDERCAT]

Hahaha right.

[MURDERCAT]

GG

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks for modding Kill, I know it wasn't an easy one.

[MURDERCAT]

@Dead Thread

NLing just means Infinity would die because he was confirmed town. I needed to bounce stuff off him. Also, amazed people kept reading this game lol.

[MURDERCAT]

Accountant's shots were ..... uhhh ...... not good.

[MURDERCAT]

Also let it be know to all scum: kill me while you have the chance! I am decent when I get to the late game!

(Not that killing me over the cop or mollie is at all advisable...)

[MURDERCAT]

<3

Yes, we should play again Rach and maybe you won't die night 1.

[MURDERCAT]

BlackStar, I'm sorry you got scum read so hard, rereading your ISO today made me convinced you were town.

Also apologies to Dunn again, I think that was the worst lynch I've been part of in a game.

[MURDERCAT]

You guys can stop now, the game is over.

[MURDERCAT]

Wins a win, doesn't matter how you get there.

[MURDERCAT]

yay

[MURDERCAT]

ty

[MURDERCAT]

Infinity is not getting due credit, IMO. I think he called the chilled/nero team on the day we lynched Dunn. Not to mention he straight up turned that slot around.

[MURDERCAT]

soooooo very proud of my murdercat read and flat out wldn't let any1 touch him cos I had a feeling he was going to be town's ace in the whole.

<3