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No, you can't have hydras in normal games.
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He sounds like he thinks he knows what he's doing.In post 31, Town Mafioso wrote:
On what grounds?In post 29, iraonavp wrote:Are you sure? What made you make that vote?
I think that Trivium is slightly town-aligned.
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Should I be reading you as scum-aligned?
I don't understand what your problem with me is, or what "appeal" is.
And it is a good reason to read you as town-aligned! It means that you are to some extent confident and self-assured, which in my experience is a town-aligned trait. In any case, I'm town-aligned and I don't see how "having bad reasons" would make me scum-aligned.-
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I have 7 completed games on this site, I have played some more on other sites.In post 41, evilpacman18 wrote:iraonavp how many games have you played?-
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None of those are scum-aligned at all, you just described things that I did!In post 45, Trivium wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Don't like voting the same person in RVS
Don't like the way he responded to pressure
Don't like how he casually mentioned his town-read on me
You're saying that you think I appear scum-aligned in this game, yet you're voting me under the pretense of trying to get a read on me. That's a scum-aligned way of reasoning a vote, kind of.In post 56, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp
I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
It's not exactly that, but there's something about the way this post is phrased that I really don't like.
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That's a really simplistic way of looking at things. My read on Trivium does have basis.In post 58, JaeReed wrote:VOTE: iraonavp
Wagon, yo. Also, don't like early townreads with no real basis. Generally comes from scum.
It's not even a strong read, I hate how I'm being forced to defend something that was just an offhand vague feeling in the first place.-
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Do you actually think this makes Town Mafioso scum-aligned?In post 70, Trivium wrote:
Early game townbloc is the stupidest idea since the backwards toilet paper roll. Sure, it would be nice, but you don't know who's town and who's not. Or at least, you shouldn't. Also, please back up your statements with reasoning and stuff. VOTE: MafiosoIn post 68, Town Mafioso wrote:If its a scumtell vote me.
Based on what you said in 61 you dont support a lynch on your current vote.
Stop hindering my way of getting an early game townbloc
If you think it's a stupid idea, why is it more likely to come from a scum-aligned player than a town-aligned player? Scum-aligned players aren't just going to openly pursue things that are anti-town in the thread the majority of the time, I hope you realize this.
These questions aren't entirely rhetorical, I'm having trouble working you out.
Personally I don't really care about the idea but I think the way it was presented is town-aligned.-
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Disregarding this, are you still reading his play as scum-aligned?In post 129, Trivium wrote:UNVOTE: Town Mafioso Purely because of the amount he's posted. I don't think at this point it's very likely that maf would post so much in the beginning.
This is a trivial (ha) reason to unvote someone.-
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The way this is phrased sounds like he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned, look, he's basically expressing anger towards JarJarDrinks being misrepresentative, not him being scum-aligned. There's no reason for him to be upset if he actually thinks JarJarDrinks is scum-aligned anyway, he would think that he's a scum-aligned player trying to lynch him and not be bothered by it.In post 142, MURDERCAT wrote:Holy shit are you for real? Like how are you twisting my words this much as town.
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Mafioso, do you know me?
MURDERCAT is scum-aligned and "caught for the wrong reasons". His outrage at being accused is genuine, but only made more so by the fact that he is scum-aligned. He actually thinks that JarJarDrinks' argument is stupid, yet in his eyes it infuriatingly comes to the correct conclusion.-
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I don't trust this. You haven't explained how you came to this conclusion, and if you were scum-aligned with MURDERCAT it would be easier to just read him and me as town-aligned together than to just say that MURDERCAT is town-aligned. You already said I was town-aligned, so I don't see why it's even necessary to mention me here.In post 151, Bacde wrote:$5 says both iraonavp and murdercat are town
Otherwise I feel like you have been vaguely town-aligned so far, but I'm wary of that because you seem experienced.-
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I don't see how? If you think they're scum-aligned then you understand why they're doing it, it's not like they're really dumb and stubborn or something.In post 222, Accountant wrote:@iraon: That's a ridiculous case. Of course MCAT would be cheesed off if he thought scum!JJD was twisting his words to get him lynched. This is an example of what I mean when I say scum likes to justify their shit with tons of made up logic.
That's not even the main point of what I wrote.
MURDERCAT literally said "how are you being so misrepresentative as town"!-
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I don't think we have the same idea about what he meant...In post 225, Accountant wrote:Don't play word games. You and I both know what he meant.
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This is very scum-aligned.In post 159, Accountant wrote:Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon
This is also basically why I think TM is town.
It's using WIFOM logic to read someone as town-aligned, because he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned and what he sees reinforces this to him, even though it is null.
I don't have a read on JarJarDrinks currently, but if Accountant is scum-aligned then he is very likely town-aligned.-
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That's stupid, and makes the assumption that MURDERCAT is town-aligned, which he probably isn't...In post 164, Accountant wrote:Yeah, iraon is scum, everything about him screams fake to me. Pushing on MURDER is easy, plus I feel like he's only interested in defending himself and doesn't want to engage.
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Literally the entire thing I have been doing this game is trying to make reads, I'm not only interested in defending myself!-
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"townslip" is just ridiculous, put this in context!In post 176, Accountant wrote:
Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on
you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??
"townslip" is when someone slips information that confirms them as town-aligned, not just someone who votes without reasoning!
I don't even see how voting someone without reasoning would even be town-aligned at all. What you said is 100% WIFOM.
Your defense of JarJarDrinks is obscene and you are scum-aligned.-
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I don't like this attitude towards me. It's like you are trying to avoid pushing me because it will make you look suspicious for taking the easy target or something.In post 186, Bacde wrote:basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias-
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This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.In post 187, Accountant wrote:That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT
Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town
"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.-
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Read this, it's ridiculous!In post 190, Accountant wrote:
Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.In post 189, Trivium wrote:What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.-
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Maybe, but I doubt it. Little is certain in this game.In post 415, MURDERCAT wrote:Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.-
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Also, this isn't talking so someone who you think is scum-aligned.In post 415, MURDERCAT wrote:Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.
This is talking to someone you know is town-aligned and you are trying to convince them to change your mind about reading your partner. No reason to try and change my mind if MURDERCAT already thinks I am town-aligned.-
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I never claimed that I could objectively 100% prove any claim I made and this ridiculous strawman only convinces me further that you are scum-aligned.In post 420, MURDERCAT wrote:No. Don't write off that post.
"Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please."-
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No I'm not... If I don't answer him then he will continue to spam rhetoric and people will start listening to him, apparently you already trust him.In post 426, JaeReed wrote:Ira you are doing literally the same thing you're accusing Murdercat of doing. You're talking to him like he's town.
All you're doing is making noise that is easy to shut down. You took the post out of context not because of the quote but the way you were pretending like Accountant was talking about their own reasoning with the easy lynch stuff. Accountant was talking to someone else who made that point and you twisted it to make it seem like it was Accountant's view.
No I didn't. Accountant was talking about Bacde's read on me, I know. I don't think you read my post properly.-
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It's wrong because it's not true...In post 427, MURDERCAT wrote:"Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with."
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I literally just said at the top of the page. You obviously don't care about my answer and are just trying to make me look bad.In post 430, MURDERCAT wrote:why don't you think it's true-
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If you genuinely believe that someone sheeping a vote makes them confirmed as town-aligned, then you are delusional. I think you are lying about your opinion because you want evidence to justify opinions that you have already stated so it makes you feel more right.In post 431, JaeReed wrote:
Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.-
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The two statements aren't related.In post 433, JaeReed wrote:
I did read this post.In post 408, iraonavp wrote:
This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.In post 187, Accountant wrote:That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT
Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town
"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.
You said Accountant is not confident you're scum aligned because Accountant literally said "just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town". This shows theexact oppositeof what you're trying to say it does. Accountant believes regardless of you being lynchbait or not that you are mafia. Accountant has a scumread on you regardless of you being lynchbait.
Accountant has not previously acknowledged anything about this before and just agrees with Bacde, like "oh yeah he's naturally suspicious but not necessarily town".-
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No.In post 435, MURDERCAT wrote:No, you said anyone can sheep. You have not directly answered my question though. Do you think that mafia is more likely to provide reasoning than town or not?-
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No, I don't think that obviously in response to the first question. The second and third questions are strawmen.In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Why not. Doesn't that make sense? Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?
You don't really care about the answers to your repetitive questioning. Please stop talking to me so I can actually read the thread, I keep getting distracted.-
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Accountant said that it was a townslip, which means he is confirmed as town-aligned.In post 438, JaeReed wrote:
I have literally no reason to lie about my opinion. It doesn't make them confirmed but it does give a strong town lean. By that stage it wasn't RVS, also. At least the way I was reading the thread.In post 434, iraonavp wrote:
If you genuinely believe that someone sheeping a vote makes them confirmed as town-aligned, then you are delusional. I think you are lying about your opinion because you want evidence to justify opinions that you have already stated so it makes you feel more right.In post 431, JaeReed wrote:
Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.
Lots of people lie about their opinion in this game, even if they're town-aligned. You have no good reason to lie about it, sure.-
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How could I townslip if I was scum-aligned?In post 207, Accountant wrote:If ira actually townslips I might vote triv :^) Although then it wouldnt be for the association any more-
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Yes. Yes.In post 444, MURDERCAT wrote:In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?-
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Fine, severely strong town-aligned read, no real difference. The point that I took issue with was the strength of the read, not the way he worded it!In post 446, JaeReed wrote:
If I have no good reason to lie about it then I am likely not telling a lie. Just because you don't like my theory doesn't mean I have reason to lie about it. I want a town win as much as the rest of town.In post 441, iraonavp wrote:
Accountant said that it was a townslip, which means he is confirmed as town-aligned.In post 438, JaeReed wrote:
I have literally no reason to lie about my opinion. It doesn't make them confirmed but it does give a strong town lean. By that stage it wasn't RVS, also. At least the way I was reading the thread.In post 434, iraonavp wrote:
If you genuinely believe that someone sheeping a vote makes them confirmed as town-aligned, then you are delusional. I think you are lying about your opinion because you want evidence to justify opinions that you have already stated so it makes you feel more right.In post 431, JaeReed wrote:
Incorrect. My opinions are guaranteed to come from a town perspective. I just confirmed that my mindset was the exact same as Accountant's when reading JJD's towntell. That means that Accountant had the same mindset as I did when they noted that. This puts Accountant in a more favourable light and discounts your reasoning as to why Accountant is scummy for thinking it's a towntell because the confirmed town believed it to be a towntell, too.In post 417, iraonavp wrote: Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.
Lots of people lie about their opinion in this game, even if they're town-aligned. You have no good reason to lie about it, sure.
Accountant calling it a townslip instead of a towntell is really irrelevant. It's obvious what was meant. You're jumping on the wording rather than the intent and that's why you're getting pushed.-
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No.In post 451, MURDERCAT wrote:So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?-
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It was a slight read and it is a good basis to read someone as town-aligned. Confidence is alignment indicative...In post 213, JaeReed wrote:
Yup, that's his "basis" and it's not something to townread someone for. You had posts by that point which I would have accepted as reasons to townread you. Instead he came back with something NAI and more personality related. Hence, no real basis. The wagon came about for pressure on the slot, not to lynch him.In post 61, Trivium wrote:Well, his basis apparently was that I sounded like I knew what I was doing. First of all I don't, and second of all that's not a town tell. Scum would come up with something like this to get somebody to stop pressuring them, whereas town wouldn't be trying to get people off of them that way. However, I don't believe that that's enough of a basis to lynch someone for. I think based on how fast this wagon formed, there's probably scum on it.
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No.In post 453, MURDERCAT wrote:If this:
Why:In post 448, iraonavp wrote:
Yes. Yes.In post 444, MURDERCAT wrote:In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?
In post 452, iraonavp wrote:
No.In post 451, MURDERCAT wrote:So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?-
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Because it's clear WIFOM. If that was the case, then it wouldn't look town-aligned. Then if that was the case, it would look town-aligned. And so on. It's really simple to understand, if you were town-aligned and not just pretending to be stubborn you would've gotten it by now. JaeReed I don't have such expectations of now.In post 457, MURDERCAT wrote:That is not an answer. If scum is more likely to try to blend in and it looks townie when you provide reasoning, why is scum not more likely to provide reasoning?
You never even explicitly agreed with what Accountant said, you're just trying to make me look bad and defend Accountant because I accused both of you and you know I will react poorly to pressure. It's so obvious that those questions were set up to try and draw to this conclusion.
JaeReed, you think both the players who are most likely scum-aligned are town-aligned, and you think I'm scum-aligned. Just horrible...-
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No, I answered every question I can. It's just that MURDERCAT pretends like I didn't answer the question and asks it again, to create the illusion that I am being evasive.In post 462, Trivium wrote:Iraon is dodging like hell. I mean wow it seems like he has the ability to ignore everything all the time. Sorry if I don't quite understand what just went down because I didn't read a lot of it, but I can see iraon dodging every question that comes to him. I've seen it before coming from flustered town though, and I think the last 2 pages were just a WIFOM bomb. I'm not sure what to make of this.
Like, this is completely out of place. I already answered myself literally 3 times before when he asked the same thing, he's just trying to make it look like I didn't answer when I already did.In post 461, MURDERCAT wrote:Iraon, I expect you to answer that, don't think you can come back on tomorrow and ignore it.-
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No, that's just what you're saying so nobody changes their mind and you lose your position. If I was really scum-aligned then you wouldn't need to tell other people to ignore me, it's just you're afraid that what I'm saying will get through to enough people and you will lose your mislynch.In post 464, Accountant wrote:Don't engage with iraon, he knows he's caught and is jamming up the thread with pages of evasive bs and accusing everyone who jumps on him.-
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I still haven't read up properly yet, people keep posting and it distracts me. I have done some reading up however.In post 468, Accountant wrote:Notice how by abusing obfuscating stupidity ira has completely managed to avoid giving any opinions on the re-read/catch-up he is supposedly doing.
Yes, it is null, that's what I said so many times already!
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS WIFOM DUDE
Because it's clear WIFOM. If that was the case, then it wouldn't look town-aligned. Then if that was the case, it would look town-aligned. And so on. It's really simple to understand, if you were town-aligned and not just pretending to be stubborn you would've gotten it by now. JaeReed I don't have such expectations of now.
Even in that case people would just say both town and mafia give reasoning so its null. This is absolutely terrible reasoning. Why do you not expect jae to understand but murdercat has to understand your shoddy reasoning or else hes scum??
Because JaeReed is town-aligned but is accidentally playing to help the scum-aligned players.-
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You do realize JaeReed is innocent child...In post 469, Accountant wrote:
Except jae also thinks the same. Is jae also mafia contributing to the illusion? Holy shit your arguments are downright absurdNo, I answered every question I can. It's just that MURDERCAT pretends like I didn't answer the question and asks it again, to create the illusion that I am being evasive.
You and MURDERCAT are scum-aligned trying to make me look bad. JaeReed is just mislead.-
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What?In post 471, Accountant wrote:
Hue hue hue poor me i react poorly to pressure, if you see me do anything bad its because of this and totally not because im scum hue hue hueYou never even explicitly agreed with what Accountant said, you're just trying to make me look bad and defend Accountant because I accused both of you and you know I will react poorly to pressure. It's so obvious that those questions were set up to try and draw to this conclusion.-
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See, you are just saying anyone who disagrees with you is scum-aligned, but you're actually the one who's wrong because of previous fragile opinions.In post 216, JaeReed wrote:Actually, not sure on Mafioso being town. The insistence that Triv is dumb town pings me in a large way.
I think that Town Mafioso is somewhat town-aligned, anyway. Probably my strongest town-aligned read other than JaeReed, I don't have many town-aligned reads yet.-
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I did already explain why, several times. You are clearly confused and not reading properly.In post 475, Trivium wrote:
Yeah OK this is a load of bull. Also I'm confused about what's going on and I want to get rid of the confusion so.In post 470, iraonavp wrote:
No, that's just what you're saying so nobody changes their mind and you lose your position. If I was really scum-aligned then you wouldn't need to tell other people to ignore me, it's just you're afraid that what I'm saying will get through to enough people and you will lose your mislynch.In post 464, Accountant wrote:Don't engage with iraon, he knows he's caught and is jamming up the thread with pages of evasive bs and accusing everyone who jumps on him.
VOTE: iraonvp
Give a solid response to the question murdercat asked you. You have like 4 people all saying the same thing, and one of them is the IC.
Only three people are saying that, and two of them are scum-aligned... That's a bad reason to vote me.-
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No, because it's WIFOM.In post 476, Accountant wrote:
then if you know giving reasoning is a standard and ordinary thing to do then it only makes sense that not giving reasoning is a pretty strong clue about someones alignment yeah?Yes, it is null, that's what I said so many times already!
That doesn't even make sense.
You are just messing with me now to find things to criticize me about, you already showed that you understood before.