Mini Normal 1817 - Dank Meme Mafia (Game Ended)

[Aristophanes]

Yoooo oooo

Imma be here after I catch some pokémon

[Aristophanes]

Yoooo oooo

Imma be here after I catch some pokémon

[Aristophanes]

I am a Miller.

Fucking Beeboy.

VOTE: Luna Fox
Hi! =D

[Aristophanes]

Luna what about me

I've played a bunch with you ^_^
The others are ppl i havent played with in ages, specially Art, havent played with him in months.

Indeed! I'm very excited to play with you again!
Howe you been?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aristo
Hasn't been back

I'm back! Drama happened last night and...yeah.

Anyway,
VOTE: Random
What compelled you to vote the Miller claim?

[Aristophanes]

OK serious vote now. I clearly stated that I wasn't allowed to talk about it. He's trying to get me modkilled so that there is one less townie for him to deal with.

Lol I figured you were just saying that. Regardless, I didn't ask you to explain your secret reasons, I asked you why you would vote him with his Miller claim. I have never and will never bait a Mod kill, as that is just shitty. Nice to know you think so highly of me though.

[Aristophanes]

I will now give no attention to Kraska all game. This should be fun !

[Aristophanes]

Did somebody say something? XD

[Aristophanes]

I would expect nothing less from Dwlee "the legend" 99's brother

:O

Welcome, Dragon!!

[Aristophanes]

I think Aristophanes is pretty towny and I'm wondering how seriously to take beeboy's miller claim

What has given you these feels?

[Aristophanes]

Okay time for serious content

VOTE: Dragon of the West

Tell me why you think I'm scumreading you.

What kind of question is that!?

But whatever, don't answer. I'll just be in the way. Will follow up after this is answered.

[Aristophanes]

^_^

This is the happiest face!
How is it making you nervous Postie?

[Aristophanes]

Also wtf is bastard?

From my EM experience fool is the role that wants to get themselves lynched, I assume jester is the MS equivalent.

In the "Normal" Queue, only certain roles are allowed. Jester (or Fool) is not one of them. In the "Themed" Queues, many roles which are not considered "normal" are allowed, but some are restricted. These roles make the game a "bastard" game and are called "bastard" roles. Jester is one of these roles. If a game is going to contain bastard elements, it cannot be considered "normal" and it must be announced at signups that the game has bastard elements present.

[Aristophanes]

Plus i also liked your vote and question towards Dragon.

How?
This question was bullocks!

[Aristophanes]

Or do you think it's scum not knowing what to ask.

This mostly.
The question is an easy one for scum because the answer is so easy to manilplate into either a townread or a scumread. It also asks the player to look at their own play objectively, which many find hard to do, then find what others think I'd a scum motivation, which is harder, and people are reluctant to do.

[Aristophanes]

Cool

[Aristophanes]

Dierfire maybe town

Oh shit!
DireFire's in the game!?

[Aristophanes]

He has 3 posts, none of which are very remarkable. The last one is decent, but I wouldn't say "likely town" yet.

What makes you so sure on this, Beebs? I like the enthusiasm, I just don't get it.

Luna, no negative implications were meant! I had forgotten he was in the game at all, given his low post count and unremarkable posts.

Saru, is this one post being similar to a past town game reliable enough for a read? If so, why do you believe it is worth putting stock into?

Ninja'd
I'm actually liking Beeboy for all this. You're cool, man.

[Aristophanes]

Saru, is this one post being similar to a past town game reliable enough for a read? If so, why do you believe it is worth putting stock into?

Nah, wasn't a read.

So, "probably town" isn't a read then?

[Aristophanes]

Why are you questioning beeboy's townread and not mine?

I skipped that part of your post somehow.

I don't see him having given enough to be read, so why do you agree with BeeBoy's townread on him?

(Thanks for mentioning that btw)

[Aristophanes]

Saru, is this one post being similar to a past town game reliable enough for a read? If so, why do you believe it is worth putting stock into?

Nah, wasn't a read.

So, "probably town" isn't a read then?

Not a comprehensive one, no. Just a starting point.

Cool, I can deal with that.

[Aristophanes]

Lol that's okay. They exist and that's good enough for now. I will want to see them later though.

[Aristophanes]

Lol that's okay. They exist and that's good enough for now. I will want to see them later though.

Sigh I guess I will have to type up my reasons now.
Why can't you just assume I am town!

Sorry BB! <3
I don't like to make assumptions like that!

[Aristophanes]

Ok so that amounted to nothing onto Aristophanes!

You're gonna like my answer even less... :S

I looked at the playerlist and realized I have about half the game at a solid null at this point. The rest are creeping into towny territory, but none have gone the other way. I'll do some Isos because that's actually really bad. So thanks for making me realize it!

I

suppose

I'd shoot IV as he has the most votes and we can go from there.

[Aristophanes]

Wait I'm the second oldest player in the game. Wow.

I don't think so...
I'm 25 you know!

[Aristophanes]

Feels like we're finally making some progress here.

UNVOTE: IV
VOTE: Aristotle

Autocorrect has spoken. You shall henceforth be known as Aristotle.

You're not the first, and won't be the last! Aristotle was cool too, so I shall embrace it!
You do know Alexander the Great, who's bust is my avatar, was his pupil, yes?

Anyway, on to more frivolous matters, why the vote on me? I am ever so curious!

[Aristophanes]

Everything Dierfire has done is null so idk where these townreads are coming from.

Luna, I need some links to your past scumgames ASAP. Thanks.

Uhh i only have like one non marathon game where i rolled scum, sure.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63492

I remember that! You steamroller us,, didn't you!

[Aristophanes]

Art is a nice guy, don't vote him!

=D <3

[Aristophanes]

I remember that! You steamroller us,, didn't you!

I kinda barely did anything other than feed off RC's wrong reads.

Hmm...I'll have to reread that.
You're always town to me, so I doubt I'll come out with a scumread anyway.
I have a tendency to townread friendly people.

[Aristophanes]

I have a tendency to townread friendly people.

Please townread me on play instead of friendliness.
I am always friendly and nice to others because i like making friends, that doesnt make me town however.

I realize this. I try really hard to make that the basis of my reads.

I do think you and Beeboy are very likely town via discussions and flow, and how you look for info.

[Aristophanes]

I have a rare day off today, so I'm gonna go catch some Pokémon!
Once I get tired and need a break, I'm gonna come back and Iso a few people to get a better footing in the game.

#TeamMystic! XD

[Aristophanes]

Why aren't you scumreading me/voting me for this, if you really think I'm faking. If I'm really lying, am I not basically auto-scum?

Or you're trying to get reactions by claiming Jester. Which is mostly NAI.

[Aristophanes]

Hence your entire posts wrt Jesters is NAI, and ill just read you off your other posts.

Oh lol, I guess we agree

[Aristophanes]

asses

[Aristophanes]

I am having a lot of trouble parsing Luna and IV's post to get a read on them which is odd given they have probably given the most thoughts so far >_>

Their posts make more sense what the other's is taken into account.

[Aristophanes]

As much fun as I am having talking to Luna I kind of want to play a mafia game with more people and want other people to start posting.

I mean, at least it's town talking with town.

[Aristophanes]

I can't say what I want to say right now because it may make things worse. But like, shit. Lol

I'll do this after the weekend. Tired as fuck atm.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, so townreads On Postie Bee s and Luna. This is a solid sgart

[Aristophanes]

Unsure on Random. He trying too hard.
Dragon maybe, but unconvinced.

[Aristophanes]

Who else id's here..? I

[Aristophanes]

I have a feeling this is gonna be a slow game.

Then let's speed it up! Who are your top 3 scumspects/who would you prefer to lynch?

[Aristophanes]

Wow, I forgot.about half the playerlist. ..this aknt gonna be good.....

[Aristophanes]

I forgot you had a list already.

I'm pretty much jn agreement. What knocked IV na d Kraska off tho, and Postie onto the list?

[Aristophanes]

No wonder I forget 611 exists every time...

[Aristophanes]

Gotcha

Ninja'd
Yeah, I'm guilty too I know.
But like, there's little to go on and some people are too new to have a solid read on, sadly.

Who would you like gone the quickest?

[Aristophanes]

*sigh*
That's a good answer. I was hoping to sheep you for pressure.

[Aristophanes]

Cool, this is one I could feel anyway!
VOTE: Random

You dont need to sheep me for pressure, i play my way, if you want to apply pressure to a player you're free to use your vote to do so.

I feel like you are more grounded than I, thus my current shitty play. I'll be beer as we.go, don't worry.

[Aristophanes]

Cool, this is one I could feel anyway!
VOTE: Random

You dont need to sheep me for pressure, i play my way, if you want to apply pressure to a player you're free to use your vote to do so.

I feel like you are more grounded than I, thus my current shitty play. I'll be beer as we.go, don't worry.

I hope you aren't just sheeping me for the sake of sheeping.

Only partially.
He has also been off all game.

From calling me out as a "serious vote" then saying he was joking to calling Random a Nerd for checking with the mods,to his vote on you, nothing has felt natural about him. It's a good spot to be, and possibly scum.

Ninjas...

[Aristophanes]

I could do Postie too!
I just wanted to see what Art would do.

Now ya see. Thoughts?

[Aristophanes]

I'm disengaged atm. I did a quick Iso after I voted because I knew u felt this, but couldn't remember why. I was quickly reminded upon reading it.

@Saru
Was I already on him? :S

[Aristophanes]

randomidget (2) - Aristophanes, Postie

Oh Yeah he was...
I had a derp lol

Welp, I'm a dumb ass lol

[Aristophanes]

Oh I remember that interaction where we spoke about your read changing.
Sorry this game is becoming a bit of a blur

Good thing i still got my head on it then.
Tho not in enough to realize that Art was already voting random.

I mean, I forgot too...

[Aristophanes]

That's sad.

I gotta sleep tho. So I'll maybe do things tomorrow I guess?

[Aristophanes]

town reading Dwlee

[Aristophanes]

Believe it or not I'm townreading Alpaca

[Aristophanes]

I want Saru to scum hunt.

After a quick Iso on the slot, I totally agree. Too coasty

[Aristophanes]

I still don't feel as though scum murdercat comes out of the gates scum reading you Luna unless you are both scum o.o

I don't think either is scum. Do you?

I think I missed some posts...

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes

Believe it or not I'm townreading Alpaca

May I ask why?

You may.



Oh! You want me to say why! You should have said so!

He is a low poster no matter his alignment, so that is NAI. But when he does post, there is content and intent to figure things out it does not feel like ScumAlpaca.

[Aristophanes]

This game has too little power players for this to be relevant in all honesty.

It's actually the opposite, little power players mean easier to convince people.

Do you mean too few? Because I don't think there are any miniature power players here...

[Aristophanes]

You guys are confusing me...

[Aristophanes]

^ That's what I was gonna say!

[Aristophanes]

Assume i actually did the mistake of scumreading postie while assuming she was town on her interactions with you and im town and she's scum, what do you think scum would just let it slide? No.

This is one of the most convoluted sentences I've read recently.

You're saying Postie, as scum, wouldn't let you off if you had accidently crossed your read,correct?

[Aristophanes]

Assume i actually did the mistake of scumreading postie while assuming she was town on her interactions with you and im town and she's scum, what do you think scum would just let it slide? No.

This is one of the most convoluted sentences I've read recently.

You're saying Postie, as scum, wouldn't let you off if you had accidently crossed your read,correct?

What is convoluted about it? As I said is not incorrect of me to think that scum postie would use that to attack a townie's midjudgement in order to drive a mislynch?

Well either way, this is why i dont tend to scumhunt much.

Gotcha.
I just mean I had to rephrase it because it took 4 reread to comprehend it. I don't think it is an incorrect assumption, no. On the contrary, it's rather true.

[Aristophanes]

Saru hasn't done shit all.
611 has done even less.

I like that he calls me Aristotle though.
And I don't think scum just "forgets" they are in a game...

Ninjas for every post...

[Aristophanes]

Well, English isnt my first language, im doing the best i can >.<

It's not?? I wouldn't have guessed!
Not trying to be a jerk about it

Sorry for being a jerk tho.

[Aristophanes]

Why aren't you guys voting Saru >:(

predit: I too would like to be a 4-shot day vig.

Meh.
VOTE: Saru

[Aristophanes]

And I don't think scum just "forgets" they are in a game...

Why?

pedit: 611 please, I thought they have done even less.

Because I just don't expect it from scum. I feel I have more riding on games as scum because I have a duty to my scum team.

Iunno, I guess I'm just projecting.

[Aristophanes]

Let's wagon them both!

Precisely what we are doing arm.

[Aristophanes]

Because I just don't expect it from scum. I feel I have more riding on games as scum because I have a duty to my scum team.

Iunno, I guess I'm just projecting.

Yeah but scum lurking is a thing that happens quite often.

I know. I am a scum lurker.
But I never forget about the game! I read it, I just don't post!

Because I just don't expect it from scum. I feel I have more riding on games as scum because I have a duty to my scum team.

I forget im in games when im scum more often than not, because i literally hate rolling scum.
It's player dependant mostly.

I'm getting that sense. I withdraw this reasoning.

[Aristophanes]

Besides as postie said, he could be scum lurking, just forgot to post on time to avoid the prod.
We can't really verify whether he's lying or telling the truth about forgetting being in the game, so it's NAI.

FTFY.

But yeah, I agree it's NAI after all.

[Aristophanes]

Saru seems noobie though

He's not really.
Did nobody else read his Wiki when he was questioned about his experience before?
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... With_Mafia

[Aristophanes]

Although I am town reading like all active non Postie players which feels very wrong >:(

Yup, me too...

[Aristophanes]

611 how much XP do you have? I've been assuming you are an alt, is that correct?

What makes you assume this?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: IV

Serious vote.

I'm fool come lynch me guys

Reverse BBB gambit anyone?

This, plus prein'd for the game and no noob games.

Oh shit, that all makes sense.
Carry on.

[Aristophanes]

I am scum reading Dwlee now because of that.

[Aristophanes]

With that being said:
UNVOTE:
VOTE: 611

If 611 is a preflip associative which requires my scum flip first, why the hell are you voting him and not me??

[Aristophanes]

Classic.

Now that the fact your vote is pressure has been announced, does it not diminish the effects of the pressure?

[Aristophanes]

Classic.

Now that the fact your vote is pressure has been announced, does it not diminish the effects of the pressure?

No. Pressure is pressure. Someone who refuses to respond to it will most likely end up being policy lynched.

I honestly think you did it for your own survival moreso.

Can we get more votes on Saru please!
He was tied with 611 at 3 votes each, has me as his top "probably scum" read, and yet voted 611 for "pressure," making him the lead wagon, instead of pushing me. His interactions with me don't feel like I'm someone he's scumreading either, so I'd bet it's fabricated.

[Aristophanes]

Meh, maybe I'm pursuing the wrong line of things. Iunno. Not feeling it myself.

[Aristophanes]

read 611's iso

I have. Don't think it's changed.
He ain't done shit!

[Aristophanes]

Wait wtf am I doing.
UNVOTE:

Sheeping.

[Aristophanes]

Hahaha oh Dwlee

[Aristophanes]

I've gotten so many pms about this. No, I'm not modkilling beeboy. That was a dank meme.

Hahaha oh Dwlee

[Aristophanes]

*popcorn*

Intent if the claim is shit.

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE: 611
Will come back to this.

@Aristo, any reason you ignored my question?

Any reason why you're not feeling it Aristo? What has got you thinking that you might be off here? Besides what other people are saying.

I forgot lol

I'm just not seeing a sorting of the game from you, nor am I seeing the array of interactions I expect.

I'm at work, so I'll see about making an actual case later.

[Aristophanes]

I'm just not seeing a sorting of the game from you, nor am I seeing the array of interactions I expect.

I'm at work, so I'll see about making an actual case later.

So I'm assuming you felt my reads list wasn't an attempt at sorting in the game? If so, why? Also, why haven't you put out a real reads list yet?

If you want to make an actual case on me, then does that mean you now feel that you'll actually be pursuing the right line of things, in contrast to 645? If you do, what changed your mind from 645?

As in, I'll review you and see where that gets me.

I'm not as big on readslist atm, so don't hold your breath.

[Aristophanes]

Oh, that reminds me:

@Aristophanes

I had a question for you in 359 as well.

Imma have to do a quick reread and let you know. Sorry yo!

[Aristophanes]

Shit, I forgot to return here. On it now! Thanks for bumping the thread Postie!

[Aristophanes]

But if you think postie is scum, isn't this scum starting a counter wagon?

MurderCat, asking the deep questions.

[Aristophanes]

I really want a 611 lynch today. I'm not sure he's scum but if he is the Luna and Ari both look very suspicious to me.

I'm intrigued. How?

[Aristophanes]

Why anyone has a strong town read on Luna just because she is chatty and active is seriously beyond me.

Because im literally unmislynchable as town ^_^

It's in her contract. Don't ya know!

[Aristophanes]

Ari your interaction with the 611 wagon is weird, you gave an obviously fake intent and 611 did not react to you asking for a claim. I take that to suggest you are scum with him and he was comfortable knowing you wouldn't hammer, iff (if and only if) he is scum.

Hmm...interesting thought. I mean, it's wrong, but I may have to rethink my read on you here.

Hmm maybe im overthinking it... or rather now i think murdercat's busing 611 so im just gonna help him do that.

Vote: 611

Is this L-1?

[Aristophanes]

Oh...
Who wants to poke Dwlee? A VC would be amazing right now.

[Aristophanes]

Lol did you update your Sig? It used to be #freeShotty, right? I just noticed. #RIPShotty

Hahaha yessir!

I have come to realize he will likely not be allowed to return, thus I pay homage to his plight!

[Aristophanes]

Right! So, 611 does seem like way too wasy a lynch. I agree with Luna there.
Gimme a few minutes (like, a lot of minutes) to read through some Isos and I'll make a case if I find one more compelling.
I need to do this anyway to get myself better situated in the game.

[Aristophanes]

Vote count (tonight ??)

Coolio! Much appreciated man

[Aristophanes]

I've been burned by this thinking recently. Sometimes the dynamics of a wagon suggest it can't possibly be on scum. This is not one of those times. 611 still has done literally nothing. The wall was crap. That was not 'disengaged town getting back into the game' it was scum trying to look busy. Please don't let up the pressure for shit reasons.

I s'pose. I'll see what I think in a bit.

[Aristophanes]

I can't believe that's still all 611 has done.
Wow.

Kraska ain't done shit either. Damn!

Actually I think some of your later posting was ok.

*puts down pitchfork* k but im watching u

@MurderCat, what was likeable in her later posting? Because I see nothing helpful or AI.
@Kraska, this was enough for you to just deadstop any line of questioning? Really??

Random currently has a vote on Dwlee. WTF!
His posts are all about/to DotW and Postie, and he doesn't look like he's trying to sort anything. What he does say he's already decided upon, and there is no branching out from it.

I'm still hung up on Saru's lack of commitment to his reads. In 177 he clearly shown a townlean on Dire, but he quickly retracts it as a "starting point" when wuestioned. This is the first thing that set me off about him. He continues to undermine it in 290 as if he's trying to keep all options open. Throws easy townreads on Luna and Beeboy with little reasoning after 60 posts without having any real reasoning or commenting on anything else from the thread. Weird DotW interactions. Bad 611 vote.
After making a readslist, he seems to commit to those reads. I've seen this from scum. Heck, I've done this as scum! You play it vague until you are forced to commit to something, then you stick to that or fear of looking wishy-washy.
I'm now confident in my scumread here. It was gut and feels, now it has substance and I am happy with it.

Alpaca seems to be trying to sort people, but not going out of his way to fabricate things. He doesn't have scumreads yet, and he's honest about it. I also like his serious-joking about Dwlee being town, and how he kept it up within his posts without letting it distract from his posts. He's town if you ask me.

Those are the slots I have time for tn. Sorry i can't do more!

[Aristophanes]

@Aristophanes

Oh, that reminds me:

@Aristophanes

I had a question for you in 359 as well.

Imma have to do a quick reread and let you know. Sorry yo!

You never came back!

Putting it off once more.
From memory, Luna was towny AF, but IV didn't stand out. I'll do them in my next round, aight?

[Aristophanes]

There is so much to parse in that so I can't do it this morning, but that response did nothing positive for my read on you, Saru. I'm fairly confident this is scum.

[Aristophanes]

Okay fine.
VOTE: 611

[Aristophanes]

Wait, that's L-1

[Aristophanes]

Lmfao

[Aristophanes]

Lmfao!

I'm the Vig and I shot Kraska! XD

Get your fucking votes off me please

[Aristophanes]

Lmfao!

I'm the Vig and I shot Kraska! XD

Get your fucking votes off me please

The way I see it, with a mafia doctor and two NKs, he is either town vig OR SK. Let's not forget about the SK. A town vig claim is easily lynch-able in this scenario because then there is only 1 scum left. We have a 50/50 chance on hitting SK here, and then going after the last scum.

Either way, we don't lose much if we lose the town vig in this scenario. It's worth it.

Are you fucking serious??

How about we don't, okay?

[Aristophanes]

Lmfao!

I'm the Vig and I shot Kraska! XD

Get your fucking votes off me please

The way I see it, with a mafia doctor and two NKs, he is either town vig OR SK. Let's not forget about the SK. A town vig claim is easily lynch-able in this scenario because then there is only 1 scum left. We have a 50/50 chance on hitting SK here, and then going after the last scum.

Either way, we don't lose much if we lose the town vig in this scenario. It's worth it.

Are you fucking serious??

How about we don't, okay?

How about you actually try to refute my point? Oh right, because you know I'm right. If you were town vig, you would agree to this plan. A sacrifice is worth it if you're town vig. Even if you're town vig, then it confirms that there is no SK in the game and we only need to kill one more scum. Your unwillingness to sacrifice is noted.

Umm, no.
The correct route is to let me live and let scum deal with me at night. They are just as afraid of me as you are, if not moreso, and I've already taken one out. You could at least say thanks!

How would you like me to refute this. By saying "No, I'm town, not an SK!" over and over? Because there's no way to prove it unless I flip, and I don't think it necessary to flip me today, if at all.

[Aristophanes]

lmfao omg please just stop random. If he were vig, he would have shot me because I was his only real scumread D1. There is no indication of him ever scum reading Kraska D1 that would make him want to shoot her.

Except that when we had a fusking Scumflip D1, I went back through, Iso'd you, Kraska, and 611, and found enough associatives to make me shoot him instead of you.

[Aristophanes]

lmfao omg please just stop random. If he were vig, he would have shot me because I was his only real scumread D1. There is no indication of him ever scum reading Kraska D1 that would make him want to shoot her.

Except that when we had a fusking Scumflip D1, I went back through, Iso'd you, Kraska, and 611, and found enough associatives to make me shoot him instead of you.

lmfao what. What associatives? Please quote them for me, because I'm obviously blind.

You're relentless.
I'll see what I can do, but you are distracting from the actual scumhunting we need to do here.

[Aristophanes]

Saru if you thinks it's a reaction test then why would you out it
Anyway people who are not luna, beeboy, postie, 611, dragon, aristo and iv need to do more stuff so I can have more appreciable reads

611 had said nothing to this point. Literally no content. Barely any posts! Possible scum ties.

I'm reading some awkwardness from two players so far. More talking from everyone pls

Curious who were/are these people


So far I've been liking Luna and her fun reasons and faces. I also don't know seriously to take Bebboy's claim

^ so is that why you scumread him postie? Tbh I'm not a fan of asking people why you scumread them and I thought your first two posts were awful if that makes you feel any better =P they read like tryhard contribution.

@alpaca iv and 611 so far

Once again, no posts to read awkwardness from.

^ so is that why you scumread him postie? Tbh I'm not a fan of asking people why you scumread them and I thought your first two posts were awful if that makes you feel any better =P they read like tryhard contribution.

@alpaca iv and 611 so far

I must misunderstand the last sentence. Surely you are not saying you have a read upon me at this time.

yours and iv's posts are my least favourite so far...i put postie in the same tier as you two at first but her later posting seems more ok. So yes this isn't really a proper read and it's subject to change, also about half the players have yet to provide something I can read them off of so I'm taking availability heuristic into consideration

WTF put 611 and Postie in the same tier!? How in god's name! Nope!

And they just felt off. Kraska wasn't really trying in the thread and it felt like he was posting just to post. Mostly filler. It felt right (and was).

You seriously don't see it?

[Aristophanes]

@mc
Well after the dwlee episode, you should just ignore that post bc it's not fair that aristo can't reply to it
Have you got anything else on me m8

If 611 flips scum then you're ok in my book

How did you arrive at that negative association

Also, I just saw this in the Iso...

[Aristophanes]

I actually left out another possibility which is why I think some people are confused.
It's not that he can ONLY be vig OR sk. He could also be scum, which means that a vig or SK would still be around if Aristo was lynched.

If he is vig: he shot Kraska who he scum read after the flip. I don't see this.
If he is SK: he killed Kraska because she had no real opinion on him, which makes her a safe kill overall.
If he is scum: makes sense with the evidence from Kraska and 611 that I pointed to. If he gets lynched and is scum, then that means that there is still a vig or SK around. I'm curious to see if anyone will actually cc his vig claim here.

So I don't mean to say that he is only vig or SK. That was my mistake in haste after seeing his vig claim. He could still VERY WELL be scum. Knowing that there is a mafia doctor and two NKs, all three possibilities make sense. This means we have a 66.6%(repeating of course) chance of hitting a non-town player here. I'm pretty sure that's worth it.

Nobody is gonna CC me because that would be a scumclaim.

I don't care if you believe it or not, it's the truth.

I really want to vote you, but I don't think scum would be this adamant about it.

[Aristophanes]

If he is scum, then that doesn't mean that there is NECESSARILY a vig in the game. So I really don't think the "real" vig is going to CC, because there probably isn't one. Unless the SK wants to draw attention to themselves by CC'ing? I doubt that.

The possibility of him being scum or SK is worth it. 2 positive flips for town beats 1 negative flip. Even if he is town vig, then that confirms no SK and only 1 scum left(I've never seen 4 scum in a mini normal). What is the point of being so hesitant in this case? I really don't understand. It makes 0 sense to me. How can you possibly argue this!?

Are you seriously saying I could be Scum fakeclaiming Vig and hoping the actual Vig is actually an SK?

I can't deal with this.

VOTE: Saru

If you aren't lynched, I'm shooting you tonight.

[Aristophanes]

Are you seriously saying I could be Scum fakeclaiming Vig and hoping the actual Vig is actually an SK?

I can't deal with this.

VOTE: Saru

If you aren't lynched, I'm shooting you tonight.

Are you kidding me!? SERIOUSLY? Of course you would fucking claim vig in this scenario as scum. You're the last fucking scum left in that case. Of course you're going to take the risk and hope there is an SK instead of a vig. What else would you do as scum!? Huh!? Both you're partners would be dead if you're scum. You would be desperate and hope you made the right call. No shit sherlock.

Keep talking. You just sound like an idiot.

As scum, there's no way I'd do this! It would be so fucking stupid to make a gambit like this!

[Aristophanes]

Yup, I'm going to bet you're scum and not SK. If no one CCs you later on, then that means there is an SK around who is obviously hiding. I'm 100% certain about this.

And yes, scum WOULD make a gambit in this scenario. WHAT ELSE COULD THEY DO!? They saw their partners dead and that they were at L-2 and hoped for the best. Stop denying that, that is a possibility.

Maybe some scum would, but I would not.

I'm a Vig and there is probably no SK.

Deal with it.

[Aristophanes]

Also, I like how you didn't vote me at first because I couldn't possibly be scum because I've been too crazy about getting you lynched. But now you're voting me because I'm scum because I'm being too crazy. Sounds like you were trying to appeal to me to get me to back off. Not doing it.

Nope, you're just being a dumbass and I don't want to deal with it.

[Aristophanes]

Yup, I'm going to bet you're scum and not SK. If no one CCs you later on, then that means there is an SK around who is obviously hiding. I'm 100% certain about this.

And yes, scum WOULD make a gambit in this scenario. WHAT ELSE COULD THEY DO!? They saw their partners dead and that they were at L-2 and hoped for the best. Stop denying that, that is a possibility.

Maybe some scum would, but I would not.

I'm a Vig and there is

probably

no SK.

lmfao really? If you're vig, then THERE IS NO SK. Like, none at all. That'd be impossible and horribly unbalanced. The fact that you said "probably" reveals a lot to me.

Lmfao fuck off XD

It is unlikely, but possible that I shot the same person as an SK, should there be only 2 Mafia.

I do not believe this to be the case, so I think it's safe to say there isn't one.

[Aristophanes]

Can we lynch ME already!? Holy crap.

FTFY

[Aristophanes]

Can we lynch ME already!? Holy crap.

FTFY

hahaha ur so funny oh look im laughing

I laughed o3o

<3 u Beeboy!

[Aristophanes]

Okay, are you "informed" and know that there is an SK? Because otherwise you're flailing at me so hard I can't believe it.

[Aristophanes]

Ahahaaha Beeboy!

[Aristophanes]

Lol well fuck.
UNVOTE:

Your case is still malarkey.

[Aristophanes]

Lol well fuck.
UNVOTE:

Your case is still malarkey.

No it's not. Dude, and I'm saying this genuinely, if you're town vig, why are you so against being lynched? Like, you haven't told me specifically why my case is bullshit. You're a player with experience. I feel like you out of most people would understand this.

Please, show me why my case is crap. I really want to know. Where exactly am I off? And please, be specific. If you can show me that I'm just dead wrong, I'll stop pushing you and get to actual scum-hunting. But you've not attempted to do this, instead choosing to throw petty insults my way. I think you can see why I think you're scum.

It's been said. Beeboy and Luna said it already. I'm a Vig. If I were SK, I would claim Vig, but I'm not. If I were scum, I would not claim Vig here, and if there were an SK I think they would CC me for the townpoints.

So what am I supposed to say to get you off this?

If I am lynched, so be it. But I would rather take a second shot at Scum tonight!
Also, protectives should obviously be on Saru tn. Obviously.

[Aristophanes]

If there is a SK or another scum let's just find them first because it isn't like Ari can submit kills after tomorrow without looking terrabad. ^_^

Funny enough, I am X-shot.

[Aristophanes]

There has to be only 1 scum left. I've never heard of a mini normal multi-ball. Every mini normal I see is ALWAYS 3 scum.

Both Vig and SK can't exist because there were only 2 deaths last night. Why would vig(apparently Art) shoot someone, and the SK just sit back? The more deaths from either faction(for SK) is a good thing.

(Or both shot the same guy, but there isn't one, so it doesn't matter)

[Aristophanes]

If there is a SK or another scum let's just find them first because it isn't like Ari can submit kills after tomorrow without looking terrabad. ^_^

Funny enough, I am X-shot.

Just curious, by X-shot do you mean 1 shot only or more?

Yes.

I mean...
Didn't I already say I wanted to get another shot off?

[Aristophanes]

@Ari, why aren't you telling us what X-shot you are? That way, if you kill more than X times, town would obviously know. It might be inferior play to tell us, but an explanation of why not saying which X would be nice.

I mean, for one, if I were an SK, I could then just not shoot after that point. But regardless, if I claim the x-shot, scum know when to stop worrying about me, making me less of a targeet. I would much rather take a bullet than have a potentially stronger PR take one.

[Aristophanes]

Did you read the rest of that post? That was pretty much the only line that didn't matter.

I did. If he's SK, scum now know this. He's dead. If he's scum, the SK now knows this. He's dead. Either way, he's screwed. My point still stands that if he wasn't forced to claim, he could have still been able to win as either role. And given the fact that there might be a town protective pr somewhere, he could still win as either role if my claim hadn't happened. Basically, nothing is still out of consideration.

I'm going to stop arguing about him though. It really doesn't matter. Just hurry up and ML. This is getting boring.

So leave me alive and let me get NK'D.

All protective should be on you.

End of discussion.

[Aristophanes]

Who do you think is scum, Saru, other than myself?

[Aristophanes]

Just you.

Well then I hope you get out of this tunnel safely, and keep your headlights on.

You really need to start scumhunting elsewhere. You're not helping the town one bit! Even if I were scum, your tunnel is bad and isn't progressing anything.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Luna

Nice shot Ari

Thanks!

Why the vote on Luna though?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: IV

L-1

I dislike his defence and case and feel he's not really scum hunting.

I'll take a look at who to shoot tn and tomorrow, but I think Alpaca or Murder may be alright.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: IV

L-1

I dislike his defence and case and feel he's not really scum hunting.

What's wrong with his defense? Is his scum read on Alpaca via associates not a form of scum hunting?

I mean, barely. I'll give you that one I guess, but it all feels so forced.

I'm willing to shoot his major scumread, so I feel like it evens out.

[Aristophanes]

One of the followers / trackers is lying I think o3o

Unless a Ninja or RB exists. It really depends what the final scum's role is as to whether this is true or not.

VOTE: Luna

Nice shot Ari

Thanks!

Why the vote on Luna though?

Because if Luna is scum it means I hit all 3 scum on day 1 in a 4 person list!

I need to reread, I did have reasoning for Luna scum with 611 and I remember Kraska (I think, maybe it was 611) being like Luna is obv town so I don't have to talk about that read, which I do as scum to my buddies that are doing well. There was the Luna unvote off the 611 wagon too.

I'd like you to do this then.
I don't think lynching Luna is c]necessary at the moment, nor do I think it is wirth it to lynch her for the sake of your ego.

Murder may be alright.

Uhhhhh what? I fucking lead the 611 wagon into the ground, refused to let people get off the wagon, and called Kraska scum.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
I need to reread them again because I am homing associatives are set up all over the place for us.

Also,
UNVOTE:

Not sure if I trust both claims, but it's worth giving them a chance.
Unless Saru was 3P hunting...but I'll Wine myself on that later.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think there'd be any more PRs, but if we had a doctor I don't know if they should be claiming today or not. Ugh please tell me we have a person who knows what they're doing with this stuff in the game. ;_____;

K here's my thoughts. Unless there is an RB or a Ninja, one of the Investigative claims should be scum. Scum had a Goon, Doc, and ??? against (so far) a Follower, Tracker, Vig, and Miller. We have 6 unclaimed people (and a VT flip).

Odd things I note: Scum have a counter to the Vig, but not to any investigative. This includes Beeboy's claim being very odd if there is no Cop in the mix (though I have seen Miller without Cop to induce wine). Tracker seems the most likely town claim to be scum, as it can be used to find PRs and isn't immediately damning. If he is town, Follower could be as well, as I see that as being less likely of a scum role in this setup. If both are town, RB or Ninja are essentially assured, as scum

Need

a way to counter all of this. A Doc can only do so much, and can't help them once people are looking their way.

Also, Ninja could be a passive role, meaning we may still be unable to track/follow scum to their kill. This balances out their lack of ability to use their power and their kill in the same night. I feel like this is the most likely option if both Investigatives are town, but as a secondary option, if one is scum, it's gotta be Tracker.

I really hope this makes sense.

[Aristophanes]

Do we have a Cop?
(I hate asking normally, but if yes, this game is blown into another sphere, so the info is integral atm.)

[Aristophanes]

Unvote

My current main gripe is that if we have both a town tracker and a town follower that's... pretty much 2 clears on a killing night.

Unless Ninja, but yeah..

[Aristophanes]

But yeah we've got this in the bag.

This is what worries me.
It shouldn't be so easy...

[Aristophanes]

Saru and Ari are town, yo. No need to mess with a perfectly good townbloc.

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

NRG is the Normal Games Reviewers, right?

And I'd forgotten this was a normal. Something is Def off here.

[Aristophanes]

Unless they claimed their own role, but as a town version...

I mean, Saru being town makes sense, as he can get a result on me, like he did, and either out or mislynch me. But IV's role could go either way, being able to sniff out PRs and kill them.

I don't think he's the lynch today, but I think it possible.

The other possibility is 2 investigatives CC each other kinda, and town mislynches one.

[Aristophanes]

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

I mean the scumteam's already kinda fucked if two of them are dead by D2 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Art please vig me tonight, i dont think people are going to take anything im saying seriously until im confirmed town. Because here I am trying to solve the game while everyone is taking everyone's claims as the word of god.

Luna, with all due respect, I'd rather shoot scum than you.

And I'm trying to solve it with you. That Postie post was just bad.

[Aristophanes]

XyLo

You're really Phone-ing it in with your spelling, eh?

Spoiler:

[Aristophanes]

I am a mason not a miller does that help?

Wait what!?

Calling it now aristo Saru scumteam.
Saru really makes sense as scum here.
Their push on aristo was never going to go through if they both claimed PRs. They were in a nasty position and this push could make sense as a gamble.

Uhh...I shot scum? And we probably don't have 4 scum in a mini. So...

[Aristophanes]

Just read and thought about this claim.
One of the investigatives

HAS TO BE SCUM

Well, if Beeboy Mason.

Because masons are confirmable and often replace cops.
And we have 2 other investigatives.

Can anyone refute this logic!?

Also, 3 pages behind. If someone said this already, days coo.

[Aristophanes]

So, I have a limited pool of shots. Invests will sort each other beautifully!

I'm so on board!

What is Alpaca at? I don't want to hammer accidentally.

[Aristophanes]

Very good. I will gladly hammer after he has some final words, or after a reasonible amount of time. Whichever comes first since he's V/LA.

[Aristophanes]

So my shot pool is {Luna, MurderCat, Postie, Dierfire}.

Got it.

[Aristophanes]

Mc and dier are better shots out of that set.

I agree totally!

I LEAD THE 611 WAGON

And it got you town points the first time you mentioned it. It has gotten old and unconvincing now. Scum do hardbus sometimes.

[Aristophanes]

I don't mind being killed to win, I will just be personally insulted if people think I am scum.

But I always think you're scum, so no offense meant!

[Aristophanes]

I've never been mislynched and I'd like to continue that.

That is nice ^_^ me neither.

Lol I have no such luck.

I get mislynches an awful lot!

I look forward to tomorrow having 4 conftown and 3 to choose from as scum (or a full guilty game ender)!

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and
VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca
No need to draw this out.

[Aristophanes]

Nice move scum.

So, Saru, IV didn't track you last night??
That seems weird.

Also, sorry Murder. I panicked when I almost forgot to submit a kill.
Curse me all you like in the dead thread.

[Aristophanes]

VT, anyway, no it means he didnt perform an action unless you're saying that IV was a ninja (which he wasnt).

lol obviously he wasn't. I'm saying that since he died, his action didn't go through, and that I received that result to show I wasn't RB'd.

I don't think that's how NAR works..

[Aristophanes]

I I'm down.
VOTE: Dier
L-1

Anything to say, sir?

[Aristophanes]

But how could IV be role-blocked if he was killed? Scum can't use factional and role abilities at the same time. So that must mean that IV's track didn't go through because he died. Am I missing something?

This is correct.

[Aristophanes]

I wanted to see him squirm tho

[Aristophanes]

You guys are no fun! XD

[Aristophanes]

Uhh...you were never checked, unless I missed something Dier.

And pushing me as SK is weak AF!

That paragraph did not give me any town feels and I should have shot you last night instead.

[Aristophanes]

Another point about the reported results: if Saru is telling the truth and innocentvillager submitted no action, I believe that the most likely explanation is that innocentvillager had already used his action (on me N1) and therefore had no other action to submit. Clearly he could not have been blocked (according to 1014). Mechanistically, this is strong evidence that I am Town! There are two reasons. First, obviously if I didn't take an action N1, that means that the cases in which I am Mafia are a subset of the cases in which kraska77 made the kill. Second, since I was tracked not taking an action, that means that I'd be a Mafia Goon, and our Town roles seem fairly powerful for the Mafia to have two Goons and a Doctor.

Like, just, no.

[Aristophanes]

Well if dierfire doesn't win us the game you will have to work really hard to convince me Luna is scummier then Saru.

Agreed

[Aristophanes]

2:1:1 wouldn't work like that I don't think. It really depends what risks the scum want to take.

However, I have a thought.

Beeboy, Random, Saru, and I make a voting block.

Today we lynch Dier. One of us dies tn, Saru gets a result, and we retain majority in being 3/5. We

I just noticed my theory won't work because the VCS are incorrect.

@Dwlee
There are 8 alive and it takes 5 to lynch today, not 7 and 4.

This fuck my theory on being able to win no matter what.

[Aristophanes]

@Dwlee
There are 8 alive and it takes 5 to lynch today, not 7 and 4.

Apologies for this confusion, I had not taken AlpacaAlpaca off of the vote counts. The vote counts from today are now fixed and the threshold is indeed 4 votes.

Ooooh! Lmao!

Let me restart my theory then!

Thanks Dwlee <3

[Aristophanes]

Alright, surefire win theory.

Beeboy, Random, Saru, and I are a pseudo-townblock. We lynch Dier today, one of us dies in the night, and Saru checks Postie or Luna.

Guilty means guilty, they get lynched. Inno means we lynch the other.
If these results are wrong somehow (Saru claims a guilty on a VT), we lynch him the next day. If Saru gets an inno and we lynch the other, a VT, we lynch Saru the next day.

I cannot see any way this can fail!

[Aristophanes]

^ this is kind of a more thorough version of Dier's suggestion now that I reread it.

[Aristophanes]

Hahaha exactly! I don't see a fake Mason gambit here though

[Aristophanes]

Saru gets NKed tonight if he is town

Wouldn't that eliminate the 1 invest is scum WIFOM anyway. And that just means me and Postie would 1v1 tomorrow, which would mean I was wrong about Postie.

Right. So, in this case, it's Vig, Masons, Luna, Postie. We still have 2 lynches. We win.

[Aristophanes]

Saru or Luna is most likely the scum.

[Aristophanes]

ARISTO HELP ME I NEED YOU!

I'm here!

What have you people done in my absence?!?!

[Aristophanes]

they dont know how much of a pathetic nervous lurksack i am when i play as scum,

You too?
I wouldn't have pegged you as lurkerscum.

[Aristophanes]

But eh, i actually lied about self hammering, but i'd rather get an intent so i can get some last words.

Didn't sound like you.
I had a feeling.

Can we, like, not lynch Luna today?

Dier is still a good choice.

[Aristophanes]

I mostly don't want to screw up Luna's streak tbh.

I'm a suckered for these type of things.

[Aristophanes]

I'll reread her, but I don't think I've gotten very scummy vibes. I dont think i can shoot you tn. Dier just isn't productive and has to go.

[Aristophanes]

Can we lynch someone already?

I really just want a flip.

[Aristophanes]

Fine Beef, I won't.

I'll be patient until Dier catches up, but I don't really see a reason to wait otherwise. I won't be posting a lot of content I'm sure, because I see no need.

[Aristophanes]

Why did all 4 of you decide to become incredibly scummy?

IKR.

[Aristophanes]

Dier is actually probably town in the Ninja is -shot.

[Aristophanes]

I'd 1-shot***

[Aristophanes]

Is**

Fuck. You get it.

[Aristophanes]

But I want you two to do it *.*

[Aristophanes]

We should decide together who is town and lynch the rest.

(I mean us three should)

[Aristophanes]

I forget what the VC is at, but
UNVOTE:
to give Dier room to breathe. I hope you do keep this deadline. I'll read your post later.

[Aristophanes]

*Jeopardy theme plays*

[Aristophanes]

I figure that the worst that could happen is that we lynch me anyway and then him tomorrow, so it's a low-importance decision.

/in

[Aristophanes]

Intent by the end of my work day

(That's, like, 10 hours though)

[Aristophanes]

Fine, I forgot anyway.

Okay, but what does it mean?

[Aristophanes]

Dier would have NKed Beeboy (is what beebster is saying

But NK spec sucks

[Aristophanes]

Sure!
Do we need intent again?

[Aristophanes]

Nah. I don't think we do.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Dier

[Aristophanes]

Oh my god we did it!!!!

Kraska, #SorryNotSorry
I was so close to shooting Dier with my second (and final) shot and then blew it. Glad we came back strong! =D

This was a lot of fun, and the setup gave us a lot of possibilities for both teams, depending on who rolled which role.

Also, Dier, that wall is amazing XD
What a way it would have been to go down!

[Aristophanes]

Oh, and I'm surprised no one pointed out that miller is non-normal lol

You're allowed 1 non-normal role in a mini normal tho.