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If town does indeed have both of those rules scum almost certainly have a ninja, however the problem is that according to what i've read in mafia discussion, NRG would have to give town a lot more power if scum has 2 PRs. As a Ninja completely negates 2 town powers, that seems kinda weird if you ask me.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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This is meant to say "those roles"In post 1023, Luna Fox wrote:those rules~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In the current situation, Scum is forced to kill the vig to prevent them from killing whoever the last scum is, unless the vig's an SK, in which case there's no more mafia because 9-1-3 sounds really bad. Regardless i think the correct choice of action is to force scum to No Kill OR we get 2 clears.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Hmm i forgot about that possibility, but it's highly unlikely, Roleblocker + Doc gives scum a lot of ability to shut down town power.In post 1026, Postie wrote:
Why do you think scum wouldn't have a roleblocker?In post 1023, Luna Fox wrote:If town does indeed have both of those rules scum almost certainly have a ninja, however the problem is that according to what i've read in mafia discussion, NRG would have to give town a lot more power if scum has 2 PRs. As a Ninja completely negates 2 town powers, that seems kinda weird if you ask me.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean, if what ari's saying is true and he's X-Shot, scum having a Doctor already nerfs him down by a lot, that shouldn't be happening to begin with, if you think scum has a Ninja or a roleblocker on top of that... well. The only thing is if Art is unlim. vig or SK.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Regardless as i mentioned before, lynching either of them today's not a good idea because we force scum to No Kill or give us a clear, if Saru and IV are both telling the truth scum is doomed, no matter what this will be auto win as long as Art isnt SK. Because scum can only kill 1 townie for 2 that are cleared and are forced to kill Art first.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?In post 1032, Postie wrote:Saru and Ari are town, yo. No need to mess with a perfectly good townbloc.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In post 1036, Postie wrote:
I mean the scumteam's already kinda fucked if two of them are dead by D2 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 1034, Luna Fox wrote:So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?
Art please vig me tonight, i dont think people are going to take anything im saying seriously until im confirmed town. Because here I am trying to solve the game while everyone is taking everyone's claims as the word of god.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Maybe?In post 1037, Postie wrote:If someone in the claims is lying that'll PoE itself, won't it?
Scum kills Art while both have to clear 2 people, then scum kills one of the 2, while we get another clear, scum is now forced to explain why they arent dead yet or we reach XyLo with scum already done for.
Either way scum fake claiming here is screwed, Scum not fake claiming here is screwed, Scum is screwed yeah.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Nah neither, but Saru claimed his role AFTER you claimed, that's the problem.In post 1039, Aristophanes wrote:I mean, Saru being town makes sense, as he can get a result on me, like he did, and either out or mislynch me. But IV's role could go either way, being able to sniff out PRs and kill them.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Regardless, if one of the 2 is town, scum is screwed due to their fake claim, and i can hardly see both being town if NRG is involved unless the reviewers decided to skip a Worst case scenario for scum in which 2 are dead by Day 2 with both of them alive.
Scum is fucked either way, and i already said im not lynching neither of the 2 claims today.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Is there something im missing here?, scum cant start shooting clears until they control the rate at which clears are produced, and even then, as long as either IV/Saru live if both are town, town will always have more clears to autowin in LyLo. The only possibility for a scum i see here is Saru IF the follower/tracker claims are to be doubted. A nice idea would be for Saru and IV target each other tonight while scum kills the vig/SK, in this way scum is forced to No Kill or they are even more screwed. While one can lie about the other, the other wont.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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And in this case we can get both invests cleared or one of them doomed while Art happily shoots without dying if scum needs to No Kill.
Now the wrench in this story is if Art is SK, but if either of them dies and there's only 1 kill Art is in trouble so... shrug~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean, if scum has a Ninja while both Saru and IV are both town then these threads are hypocritical:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67596
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67307
Read them (at least the 2nd one), and you'll come to the same conclusion~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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It's cool, I never get ML'd as town anyway so it was bound to happen eventually.
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Hmm maybe... i need to double check something.In post 1086, MURDERCAT wrote:Would scum Saru really claim that when cop is apparently in the game? Like I don't get how scum could be confident in claiming investigative~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Looking at some Normal setups i have a feeling that this:
Could exist against Doctor + Goon x2In post 1075, beeboy wrote:Mason
Mason
Follower
X-ShotTracker
X-ShotVig
I am not feeling this at all.
I don't find it weird that the odd man out is the Follower if they are scum, after all if Saru's scum he couldn't predict the tracker claim, do you think scum IV claims X-Shot Tracker after a Follower has claimed?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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It all comes back spiraling to something.
IV thinks Dier is town and claimed his result but not his role.
After Art had already claimed, Saru claimed his result on him, this is entirely fakeable if Saru is scum, he however cant keep faking results like this, this happened BEFORE, IV claimed, in this scenario i think the most likely one to be lying is Saru. That is an IF one of the invests is scum lying.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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They certainly can, and scum is forced to No Kill, or let the vig live an extra day to kill one of the invests. Both scenarios clear the WIFOM of the invests, or at least one of them.In post 1090, beeboy wrote:The investigatives can clear each other cant they?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I mean im predicting these options:
1) Art dies, both invests clear each other
2) Art doesn't die, both invests arent cleared to each other.
3) IV dies, Saru is framed.
4) IV dies, Saru is the last scum.
5) Saru dies, IV is framed
6) Saru dies, IV is the last scum.
Also Art cannot kill either of the invests because if he's town and accidentally X-Kills with scum on them that would be very bad as he's immediately suspected of being SK, so if Art's SK he's doomed.
If 2 separate people die, Art is confirmed Town vig, because Art cannot be SK if there's mafia alive.
No matter how you look at it, following this plan the only options scum has is killing Art of killing the Invests, and killing the invests confirms Art as town, and eliminates 1 potential WIFOM while killing elsewhere confirms both invests as town, or one is confirmed as scum.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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That's exactly what i proposed a page or 2 ago.In post 1093, MURDERCAT wrote:
This is the best idea, should we make IV claim if he has a shot?In post 1090, beeboy wrote:The investigatives can clear each other cant they?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Thanks captain obvious, why do they "PROBS" killed Dragon? instead of "CERTAINLY" killed Dragon? do you think scum shot itself? This line doesnt make sense and feels like filler.In post 1097, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Scum had a doctor and a goon and probs killed Dragon there is probably one more member here~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Like idk, why but this post feels like he just said a bunch of stuff and the only thing that's worth anything is... the boldedIn post 1097, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Ok holy shit this game got really complicated really fast and I won't be getting back at my computer for another 2 days so until than this is going to be the best I can do.
Ari claimed vig and that he shot Kraska (X-shot X>1)
Saru claimed follower and that he followed Ari and got a kill action
IV claimed X-shot tracker never said who he tracked (seems inferred he used his power to confirm dier as town but it would be nice to get an actual claim since you ignored when someone asked you)
Beeboy claimed miller at the beginning but just claimed mason
There is one more mason which presumably will be claimed if they are about to get lynched.
Scum had a doctor and a goon and probs killed Dragon there is probably one more member here
Out of Dier, Murder, Luna, Postie, Random and me there is one scum and one conf town.
I know nothing of setup spec so I can't really weigh in on whats valid but unless the last scum is op af this looks a little town sided to me.
So first at this point I think it would be best for the other mason to claim just so we have another conftown to make life easier when picking a lynch option.
I am 90% sure Luna, Ari and postie are town
I am 100% sure I am town
My lynch pool right now is
Dier (who might have been cleared by IV but not sure), Murder, Random, Saru and IV
Honestly I think that the best course of action would be to clear the 2 investigatives and to vote on who Ari kills and than work on what we get tommorow since there is probably only one remaining scum member we have a day to spend on taking our time and clearing things up.
Also I am being scumread from POE which is great but isn't working because trust me I would be flailing as scum here. Throwback to Baccano Mafia.
And the italic feels like parroting, am i wrong in feeling this way?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Ah yeah, that's the word (or acronym in this case) i was looking for, thanks!In post 1106, Saru wrote:IIoA.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Yes, and IV is supposed to track you.In post 1106, Saru wrote:The only thing I got from that is that I'm supposed to follow IV, right?
This is all assuming game doesnt end with whoever we lynch today anyway.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I was thinking of NL before, but why waste it? we help reduce the PoE pool by lynching today.In post 1110, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:Well actually I forgot to say it cause I thought I inferred it but my plan invokes a no lynch today and than the italicised above. Also I said probably cause I am still not sure on the existence of an sk~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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And being wrong on everything also means:In post 1113, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:I suppose but we have the time to go about not getting a lynch and a vig today because just say for example they were all wrong we would potentially lose 3 townies
Losing 2 people off PoE and 1 outside of it... vs losing 1 people off PoE and 1 outside of it.
Again, what's the issue with this?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Are you ok with the plan or do you have objections, and if you have objections, why?In post 1117, innocentvillager wrote:to clarify I did not investigate anyone last night. I think dier is town for other reasons that I don't want to elaborate on.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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You track Saru and Saru follows you while Art shoots someone outside of you 2.In post 1120, innocentvillager wrote:
8.5In post 1119, MURDERCAT wrote:IV on a scale of 1-10 how confident are you dier is town (don't say 10)
can u quote it for me lulLuna Fox wrote:
Are you ok with the plan or do you have objections, and if you have objections, why?In post 1117, innocentvillager wrote:to clarify I did not investigate anyone last night. I think dier is town for other reasons that I don't want to elaborate on.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I tend to forget things dont judge me >.<In post 1125, Luna Fox wrote:Hmm this is where i currently stand.
Strong Town
Postie
beeboy
Aristophanes*
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Dierfire
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MURDERCAT
AlpacaAlpaca
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Saru*
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I dont, but if scum kills you, then it becomes a 1v1 invest tomorrow, with a sure lynch on scum the next day if we're wrong.In post 1137, Aristophanes wrote:Just read and thought about this claim.
One of the investigativesHAS TO BE SCUM
Well, if Beeboy Mason.
Because masons are confirmable and often replace cops.
And we have 2 other investigatives.
Can anyone refute this logic!?
Also, 3 pages behind. If someone said this already, days coo.
Scum has to kill you or one of the masons otherwise they wont win like ever.
This is also supposing that beeboy isnt mason fake claim gambiting.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Exactly!In post 1143, MURDERCAT wrote:And if scum is outside the claims I don't think they can waste a night to frame~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I don't either, but i had to mention it coz it can happen that beeboy's fake claiming Masons so that we dont lynch/vig his townreadIn post 1145, MURDERCAT wrote:I don't think Beeboy is doing that lol
It's a possibility that can't be overlooked but it's highly unlikely. And staying quiet about my mind hasnt ever served me well.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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If this was mountainous i would push harder for a perfect win, but i think risking perfect win in exchange for the possibility of auto win is worth it.In post 1148, MURDERCAT wrote:So we do Alpaca who honestly might flip town but whatever RIP perfect win if that's true and then it's just clean up based on results.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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You mean like that game where we bused hiplop and you wanted to Xbus me to give me town cred?In post 1170, MURDERCAT wrote:anyone who has played in a game with me where I'm scum should know I'm town here.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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That is nice ^_^ me neither.In post 1170, MURDERCAT wrote:I've never been mislynched and I'd like to continue that.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I wanna know how did you go from:In post 1126, MURDERCAT wrote:Luna if you don't put me in the towny column...
Remember when I lead the wagon on scum and made you vote there!?In post 1159, MURDERCAT wrote:Holy shit. You are not shooting me
Then beeboy posts this:In post 1160, MURDERCAT wrote:I LEAD THE 611 WAGONAnd you change your tone regarding that:
In post 1168, MURDERCAT wrote:I don't mind being killed to win, I will just be personally insulted if people think I am scum.
(I dont mind the reasons i think they are legit coz i feel the same way, it's the tonality change in your stance that's bothering me)In post 1170, MURDERCAT wrote:Anyway, I'd rather be shot than mislynched <snipped: "due to these reasons">~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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What does this mean then.In post 1189, Saru wrote:Anyways, I wasn't role-blocked last night. IV didn't perform an action. If I was role-blocked, I would have gotten no result. This pretty much confirms a ninja, yes?~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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