Mini Normal 1817 - Dank Meme Mafia (Game Ended)

[Aristophanes]

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My current main gripe is that if we have both a town tracker and a town follower that's... pretty much 2 clears on a killing night.

Unless Ninja, but yeah..

[Postie]

If town does indeed have both of those rules scum almost certainly have a ninja, however the problem is that according to what i've read in mafia discussion, NRG would have to give town a lot more power if scum has 2 PRs. As a Ninja completely negates 2 town powers, that seems kinda weird if you ask me.

Why do you think scum wouldn't have a roleblocker?

[Luna Fox]

In the current situation, Scum is forced to kill the vig to prevent them from killing whoever the last scum is, unless the vig's an SK, in which case there's no more mafia because 9-1-3 sounds really bad. Regardless i think the correct choice of action is to force scum to No Kill OR we get 2 clears.

[Luna Fox]

If town does indeed have both of those rules scum almost certainly have a ninja, however the problem is that according to what i've read in mafia discussion, NRG would have to give town a lot more power if scum has 2 PRs. As a Ninja completely negates 2 town powers, that seems kinda weird if you ask me.

Why do you think scum wouldn't have a roleblocker?

Hmm i forgot about that possibility, but it's highly unlikely, Roleblocker + Doc gives scum a lot of ability to shut down town power.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, if what ari's saying is true and he's X-Shot, scum having a Doctor already nerfs him down by a lot, that shouldn't be happening to begin with, if you think scum has a Ninja or a roleblocker on top of that... well. The only thing is if Art is unlim. vig or SK.

[Luna Fox]

Now there's the thing of... Saru claiming follower with Killing result on Art after Art already claimed vig, which is easily fakeable but the problem is that it's hard to tell with the Quickk wagon on Art that forced him to claim super early.

[Luna Fox]

Regardless as i mentioned before, lynching either of them today's not a good idea because we force scum to No Kill or give us a clear, if Saru and IV are both telling the truth scum is doomed, no matter what this will be auto win as long as Art isnt SK. Because scum can only kill 1 townie for 2 that are cleared and are forced to kill Art first.

[Postie]

Saru and Ari are town, yo. No need to mess with a perfectly good townbloc.

But yeah we've got this in the bag.

[Aristophanes]

But yeah we've got this in the bag.

This is what worries me.
It shouldn't be so easy...

[Luna Fox]

Saru and Ari are town, yo. No need to mess with a perfectly good townbloc.

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

[Aristophanes]

Saru and Ari are town, yo. No need to mess with a perfectly good townbloc.

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

NRG is the Normal Games Reviewers, right?

And I'd forgotten this was a normal. Something is Def off here.

[Postie]

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

I mean the scumteam's already kinda fucked if two of them are dead by D2 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Postie]

If someone in the claims is lying that'll PoE itself, won't it?

[Luna Fox]

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

I mean the scumteam's already kinda fucked if two of them are dead by D2 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Art please vig me tonight, i dont think people are going to take anything im saying seriously until im confirmed town. Because here I am trying to solve the game while everyone is taking everyone's claims as the word of god.

[Aristophanes]

Unless they claimed their own role, but as a town version...

I mean, Saru being town makes sense, as he can get a result on me, like he did, and either out or mislynch me. But IV's role could go either way, being able to sniff out PRs and kill them.

I don't think he's the lynch today, but I think it possible.

The other possibility is 2 investigatives CC each other kinda, and town mislynches one.

[Luna Fox]

If someone in the claims is lying that'll PoE itself, won't it?

Maybe?
Scum kills Art while both have to clear 2 people, then scum kills one of the 2, while we get another clear, scum is now forced to explain why they arent dead yet or we reach XyLo with scum already done for.
Either way scum fake claiming here is screwed, Scum not fake claiming here is screwed, Scum is screwed yeah.

[Aristophanes]

So you think that the NRG let town get double clears in the 2 scum dead at D2 scenario?

I mean the scumteam's already kinda fucked if two of them are dead by D2 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Art please vig me tonight, i dont think people are going to take anything im saying seriously until im confirmed town. Because here I am trying to solve the game while everyone is taking everyone's claims as the word of god.

Luna, with all due respect, I'd rather shoot scum than you.

And I'm trying to solve it with you. That Postie post was just bad.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, Saru being town makes sense, as he can get a result on me, like he did, and either out or mislynch me. But IV's role could go either way, being able to sniff out PRs and kill them.

Nah neither, but Saru claimed his role AFTER you claimed, that's the problem.

[Aristophanes]

XyLo

You're really Phone-ing it in with your spelling, eh?

Spoiler:

[Luna Fox]

Regardless, if one of the 2 is town, scum is screwed due to their fake claim, and i can hardly see both being town if NRG is involved unless the reviewers decided to skip a Worst case scenario for scum in which 2 are dead by Day 2 with both of them alive.

Scum is fucked either way, and i already said im not lynching neither of the 2 claims today.

[Luna Fox]

I'm just trying to see why would scum fake claim, what are they planning on doing unless they didnt see the tracker claim coming.

[Luna Fox]

Is there something im missing here?, scum cant start shooting clears until they control the rate at which clears are produced, and even then, as long as either IV/Saru live if both are town, town will always have more clears to autowin in LyLo. The only possibility for a scum i see here is Saru IF the follower/tracker claims are to be doubted. A nice idea would be for Saru and IV target each other tonight while scum kills the vig/SK, in this way scum is forced to No Kill or they are even more screwed. While one can lie about the other, the other wont.

[Luna Fox]

And in this case we can get both invests cleared or one of them doomed while Art happily shoots without dying if scum needs to No Kill.
Now the wrench in this story is if Art is SK, but if either of them dies and there's only 1 kill Art is in trouble so... shrug

[Luna Fox]

Of course another wrench if the existence of a Ninja, but i doubt the NRG would give scum power to shut down 2 town powers.
Anyone has any opinions on all this? As I need to go back to studying soon.

[Postie]

Thanks, Luna. I'm terrible with set-up stuff so good thing we had you here.
Yeah, Ninja is my main worry here.