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How do we know if you really are innocent?In post 4, I Am Innocent wrote:Might as well point out the Black and Void are both scary, just like Mafia...
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In post 22, Hoopla wrote:You actually have better odds of not being rolled now that you've already came up once.
I'm not math expert. Certainly no statistic expert but pretty sure he has the same % chance his number comes up as anyone else does.In post 22, Hoopla wrote:You actually have better odds of not being rolled now that you've already came up once.-
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Why didn't you sign up for a newbie game?In post 41, CloudKicker wrote:Ohhh Sonia i didnt know youre right, hi girl . Im happy at least i know someone on the table. Sonia feel free to help me out about the difference in scumhunting in forum maf vs em. Like if i out a read on someone and im completly off based off forum scumhunt meta then just tell me, i am here to learn too <3-
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can you please link me to where you have outed reads, I have trouble locating them when looking over your iso.In post 66, CloudKicker wrote:Havent outed a single read-
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if you want to lynch gm, why the vote change?In post 62, Hoopla wrote:I can't believe we're letting goodmorning off the hook...
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eh, this comment was unnecessary cause omgus as a valid tell died years agoIn post 72, Raskolnikov wrote:And yeah, omgus. Bite me.
p,edit - you're right, i didn't-
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your name sounds familiar so maybe we have played, but I also like to read games.In post 81, Raskolnikov wrote:Well it would help with meta but the assumption is you made an alt exactly to prevent that.
But the fun is, if I have played with you, in somehow figuring it out because it's a mystery just like scumhunting. But this is getting offtopic.
If somebody actually correctly guesses my alt, maybe I will out it but yeah let's not clog up the game with it.-
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he doesn't have a point though. who cares if I haven't outed any reads. on page 3/4 that isn't scummy at all.In post 87, Raskolnikov wrote:
Have a bit of an issue with this. He does have a point on you although you deflect it to him. The deflection doesn't make sense either, he did out reads from his first post even, and his iso is full of analysis.In post 69, TwoFace wrote:
can you please link me to where you have outed reads, I have trouble locating them when looking over your iso.In post 66, CloudKicker wrote:Havent outed a single read
Now I don't think this is necessarily terrible as it could just be antisocial/lazy, but I do think you should give an opinion or stance at this point now like what he said.
he outed reads? I didn't see any which is why i asked him. I will look over his first post again. thanks
his iso is full of analysis? if you say so-
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In post 126, CloudKicker wrote:My initial post had more content than all of yours combined,Spoiler:-
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Why would hoopla be a lean scum when what she said is accurate? You haven't really given reads. You claim to have 2 town reads but won't share those and you said 2 people are good votes.In post 179, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
HooplaIn post 177, Hoopla wrote:
I'll get back to you when you declare some reads punctuated with something other than variations ofIn post 175, VictorDeAngelo wrote:What do you think of the reads I have shared?"...is a good vote".would also be a good voteis now a lean scum read.-
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Nah not buying it.In post 192, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Hoopla is fussing over semantics rather than asking why I would vote either player. That's not a townie move.
You claimed you gave reads which you didn't. You asked hoopla's opinion on your reads.
Hoopla's response while humorous, was appropriate because you didn't give any
Saying you'd vote people arent really reads-
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Cloud. I'm confused why did you post this? Nobody accused you of lurking so your response doesn't make senseIn post 126, CloudKicker wrote:-> And how am i lurking really, at the time you posted that i already had 3 posts as of today, one like 4h before yours and others players has posted less than i did-
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Because you just told me you did.In post 200, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Also, Hoopla wasn't the only player not to ask me about my votes. Why do you think I singled her out instead of other people?-
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Btw my first vote wasn't rvs because I coin flipped and it was tails which meant no rvsIn post 199, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
Your votes were:In post 198, TwoFace wrote:Case in point. I've voted 2 people this game without any reason. Why didn't you ask me why?
If I use your own logic I could assume you aren't doing what you think a townie should do
1) rvs
2) sheeping onto a wagon to get the day going
I didn't ask because I didn't any reason to expect a useful answer.
However, I notice you haven't been voting anyone since 107, why not?-
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Says he can't decide on youIn post 119, Sotty7 wrote:Other scum reads, Cloud maybe? I can't decide on him. We'll put I am Innocent as a scum read for now just for lurking. Like what the hell dude?
Says I am innocent is scum for lurking.
Reading is a big part of this forum migration buddy-
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You said you were scum reading her for not asking you why you had your reads so really your questions to me are the ones that don't make sense.In post 208, VictorDeAngelo wrote:That makes no sense.-
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If that really worries you, mafia isn't the game for you.In post 208, VictorDeAngelo wrote:What does worry me is you didn't answer the bolded question. Tut, tut, tut.-
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What am I supposed to be reading?In post 214, CloudKicker wrote:I know i just messed up with the innocent thingy, i didnt think it was a person but a read/check, again if you actually read twoface-
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So wait. You admitted you realized that I am innocent was a player before you made this post. This post you are still under the impression sotty accused you of lurking.In post 205, CloudKicker wrote:TF proved that he didnt read scotty or my post when he asked why i said that. I literraly quoted scotty in the very same post when he said i was lurking-
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if me trying to understand your posts better, irritates you then take a break or something.In post 221, CloudKicker wrote:
Dude, are you fucking serious im really getitng irritated here. It was a misunderstanding -> i thought he said i was innocent AND lurking, it thought he had both reads on me. Then you asked me where did anyone asked me where i lurked ? When you asked me this, YES I KNEW HE DIDNT TALK ABOUT HIM, but the post ure refering to where im saying i didnt lurk, I DIDNT KNOW. So no, by saying that he said i lurked after explaining myself isnt me saying that i thought he DID JESUS. IM JUST SAYING THATS THE POST AND WHY I TOUGHT THAT.In post 218, TwoFace wrote:
So wait. You admitted you realized that I am innocent was a player before you made this post. This post you are still under the impression sotty accused you of lurking.In post 205, CloudKicker wrote:TF proved that he didnt read scotty or my post when he asked why i said that. I literraly quoted scotty in the very same post when he said i was lurking-
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how am I being anti-social? I am having conversations with people which is the exact opposite of that. I also don't think I have given off an FU vibe to anyone other than maybe cloud and that's because he said he can't read me. I don't care if people can read me or not, but people can at least make an effort to. Cloud hasn't been asking me any questions or trying to get my opinions on things. He criticized me for not giving any reads but never bothered to ask if I even have any or not.In post 225, Raskolnikov wrote:Twoface being like antisocial and giving a "fuck you" vibe doesn't get any points but it's hard to judge it from style from an alt without meta available. Him not voting anyone despite seeming to have problems with people is kind of weird to me. Would think he'd vote victor or maybe cloud at this point given the things he said.-
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I find it funny that on a site where people are sort of role playing, they complain about people role playing while role playing. You aren't the first to complain about the coin flip and I'm completely baffled why people have an issue with it.
The "I don't care what people think about me attitude" is the attitude all players should have. If you worry about how you are perceived you can't play honest. You hold back saying things because you worry about how somebody might perceive them. If people want to think I'm scummy or even think I'm scum, let them. As long as I keep playing my game and taking my time to develop reads, I know I'm doing the best I can.
If I turn things back on people, it's because they deserve to have it turned back on them.
Cloud can't sit there and complain about me not giving any reads 1. Because it was way early in the game to have any and 2. He never took the time to even ask me if I did.
Victor deserved to have his logic turned back on him cause he's using his own logic as a reason to scum read somebody.-
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Smh.In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:No, I mean your 201 doesn't make sense. Did you not understand my post or do you need to rewrite it or something.
You asked hoopla her opinion of your reads
She basically said you didn't give any
You scum read her for that
You say that she didn't give reasons instead she used semantics
I pointed out that others did it
Now you are asking me why you singled her out instead of others.
The answer is in the chain of posts already. You singled her out cause you didn't like her response to your question.
I feel dumber for having to rehash this for you.
Sorry I wasn't counting post numbers. I didn't know that a vote had to be placed before a certain number of votes passed. Can you point out that post number requirement for me? I can't see it in the game rules.In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Blah, blah, blah... just answer the question already.
I'm not voting anyone right now because I don't have anyone I want to vote right now.-
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Well sorry I'm not a mind reader. If you want reads from somebody, ask them for them.In post 240, CloudKicker wrote:i put on vote on ur ass for not outing any reads and criticizing you for other stuff, ofc im implying that i would like you to out some contents.
I didn't give any reads on page 3, because I didn't have any to give.
See I thought the tortoise and the hare reference would have cleared things up for you. Since that's an elementary level story.
The tortoise wins the race by going slow and steady.
When I have reads, I'll act on them. Voting me isn't going to make me change how I choose to play.-
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In post 271, Sotty7 wrote:His stuff on Twoface is mostly good-
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What game are you reading? Because I can't find any of this in victor's isoIn post 281, BlackVoid wrote:and then insisting that he's absolutely right to the point where he thinks two-face is scum for misrepresenting him-
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Yeah the fact you read that interaction and get good vibes from victor is mind blowing. he's acting like we did t just have a conversation about that vey thing. See post 242 for the recap.In post 284, BlackVoid wrote:He didn't explicitly say that. I'm talking about how he was insisting that your 201 doesn't make sense and how he was incredulous that your interpretation was different than his.
Scum have to act like they believe what they are saying. My point is that it doesn't look like an act to me.-
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Plus this post implies he doesn't think I misinterpreted him, he thinks I didn't answer his question in a manner that made sense and looking at the question again maybe I didn't.In post 238, VictorDeAngelo wrote:No, I mean your 201 doesn't make sense. Did you not understand my post or do you need to rewrite it or something.
The answer to that original question (which is basically what I was already saying) is I think you singled hoopla out for the reason you gave in post 192.
I'm not even sure why he asked the question-
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Victor, what was the point of asking me to answer a question when you had just answered it yourself in a conversation we had?
I agree with hoopla though, which is why I asked why youscum read her. Your response to her should have been to explain your reads. Calling her scum because she pointed out the truth is very strange.
Think it's time for a flip. Do I vote victor?
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I actually think that's impossible.In post 302, MichelSableheart wrote:I believe the complete opposite, actually. I'm very concerned with how other players perceive me, so I make sure to make my thoughts as explicit as I possibly can. That way, players see I'm coming from a town mindset.
When you worry about how you are perceived, that could possibly prevent thoughts being posted. You may have something to say that's not so popular and decide not to post it because you know it's going to make people question you or possibly think you're scummy.
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That was good? Damn you must be a shitty playerIn post 311, Sotty7 wrote:The fact you're not voting. Again, why?
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I am using a coin flip, so who am I to judge somebody for using dice?In post 321, MichelSableheart wrote:TwoFace did notice, but decided to go into a theory discussion rather then engage in an "are you scum?" discussion in post #12 and #25. TwoFace, why did you decided to discuss the legality of dice voting, rather then the implications of Hoopla's use of it?
I asked about the legality of it because I was under the impression that provable randomness like dice rolling is not allowed on site. turns out it's a mod by mod rule and not a site rule.-
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No need for what? To call you a shitty player? You said victor asking me why I wasn't voting since post 107 or whatever number was a good post. That's literally the most useless question of the game so far. So yeah that says to me that if you're town, your opinions are horrible.
typically if a player isn't voting, it usually means he doesn't have a reason to vote. any player who has played more than 1 game knows that.
But let's rewind for a bit. You originally said "stuff victor said" which implies multiple things and the only thing you pointed to was 1 useless question. Where's the other "stuff"? There was no other stuff. Victor hasn't made a good post yet.
The coin flip actually happens. Sometimes I use a real coin, other times I use a website and no I won't use dice tags. I'll keep doing it my way until i get tired of it and then I'll start voting normally.
Not sure what you want to know about my victor scum read but him calling hoopla scum was weird. His reason for it was bad cause hoopla's reason for not answering his question was good. He then went into useless mode. He literally asked me why I thought he singled hoopla out right after he explained why he singled hoopla out. He then asked why I hadn't had a vote down since post 107(or whatever number he said) like there is some sort of requirement to have a vote down. The exchange between GM and him has him looking like scum not GM so yeah that's where it came from.
I certainly wasn't overly fixated on the semantic thing, I wasn't even remotely fixated on it. Hell I only used the word once and that was when I was giving a recap of what happened before victor asked a stupid question.
Victor's vote on GM is bad, but victor is probably scum.
Would I vote bbt? Off the top of my head but I'd say probably not. It's because I don't have a read on him. Once I go back and read the game I'll have more solid reads. But for now, no I probably wouldn't.-
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My voting had nothing to do with you.In post 357, Sotty7 wrote:But hey, you're voting, guess I'm doing something right.-
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That would require me to have actually have been pressured which I wasn't.In post 369, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Not sure if I've said it before but I'm buying the coin flipping gimmick. This vote should have come two pages ago and I don't like how it only comes after you've taken pressure for not voting.