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I mean, that'sIn post 55, ThinkBig wrote:
I generally consider the RVS to be over after the mod posts the first official vote count.In post 54, PenguinPower wrote:
Can you show me where it ended?In post 53, ThinkBig wrote:The problem with this is that we are not in RVS. RVS was long over. Random voting is used to break the ice and shouldn't be taken seriously.yourversion.
My version is once something has happened worth talking about.
Like people agreeing or disagreeing on whether or not we're in RVS still.
Based on that definition, we're now out. So by saying it, you made it so.
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If it's anything at all, it's a baby tick in the direction of scum.In post 59, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not sure where you got that from TB.
Anyway, 1-Shot's opening post and his second post look like RVS silliness to me, wouldn't read too much into it. His third and fourth post however seems like an attempt to prevent discussion and that worries me a bit.
His 4th post is actually adding to the discussion - he's saying don't read too much into RVS silliness.
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Disagree.In post 60, Dark Horse wrote:Agreed. "Letting it flow" is a good way to get town to hold off progressing pass the RVS stage-
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I'm scum reading you for your '!' and '!!!' in the above post.In post 51, drealmerz7 wrote:no-lynch haters love to hate on no-lynch!
all the RVS votes of stupidity and meaninglessness, and ppl just want to KILLLLL the person who has a peaceable approach, even in RVS!!! I generally tend to look for scum in the ppl who are trying to make an issue out of an RVS no-lynch vote -
now, saying that, no-lynch is GENERALLY a bad idea for town on D1 and scum know that and don't draw themselves into attention by doing that, so there is just a ton of WIFOM there anyway and I think the simple "attention draw" about it has me lean town about it rather than scum
I love to throw out a no-lynch vote for reactions on occasion. Or sometimes I do want it because of reasons (no good scum reads and being a cop, for example.)
Seems like you're trying to pretend to have a reaction here.
*shrug*
Anecdotally, I won my first scum game by suggesting a no-lynch D1 and intentionally playing it off like I was newb town. I knew exactly what I was doing and it worked like a charm so it is a viable strategy if you know how to pull it off.
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Spoiler tag due to length. Sorry for the wall lolIn post 65, Dark Horse wrote:
WhyIn post 63, nn30 wrote:
Disagree.In post 60, Dark Horse wrote:Agreed. "Letting it flow" is a good way to get town to hold off progressing pass the RVS stage
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Read my post 66 please.In post 67, Pine wrote:
Bad logic. No.In post 43, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Only scum want to murder.
I don't want to murder because I'm town.
Vote no lynch for a peaceful tomorrow, today!
RVS is now over for me. Serious vote -
Vote 1SVT
No lynching robs Town of its primary weapon, and rejects the agency of Town. NLing outside MYLO and specific unusual mechanics is an anti-Town action. And I could make an argument against NL even in MYLO.-
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@Pine - I find your vote on 1-shot to be town motivated.
I'm fairly certain you failed to realize that post 43 was a joke from 1-shot.
I believe that scum would be more careful with their vote than this. Therefore, town read.
p-edit: @Joshz hah! We had the opposite reaction to his vote. Let's talk.
I think that scum wouldn't be so bold as to vote on such flimsy ass reasoning - especially so early in the day when a wagon based on this is unlikely to secure a mis-lynch.
pp-edit: @Pine - I agree with your logic on the no lynch in a Mylo setting. Whether or not your or my logic wins out is predicated on if we believe scum to take the approach you take here. I'll have to add this to my scum play-book...
I'd like to add that a no-lynch in MYLO is also bad if there's a conf!town player around that scum can pick off.
ppp-edit: @Pine - I will continue to disagree. Feel free to shake however. Let me know if a cat falls out - mine went missing a while back.-
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VOTE: JoshzIn post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie. That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
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I could forgive post 50 as being an RVS (which I very clearly think it is).In post 70, Joshz wrote:See? Still not out of RVS. Stop bitching about him voting no lynch, that's not scum indicative it's newbie indicative. Not newbie townie, just newbie. That post you quoted, Pine, is a clear joke, and trying to build a serious argument around it is awful. And you can't make an argument against no lynch in Mylo because sometimes it's a good idea and sometimes it's not, that's a game specific situation, there's no blanket answer.
So real vote: VOTE: pine
That said you basically took my reasoning as the gospel in post 70. Not even a question of my motivations - you just use it to attempt to skewer Pine.-
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This is exactly why I don't want to scum read 1shot bp for something so flimsy.In post 82, Pine wrote:
That post is fine. I concur with the sentiment. I generally find RVS to be useless, prone to Town vs Town squabbles.In post 81, Dark Horse wrote:
This post sucksIn post 77, gerryoat wrote:Okay so the beginning is basically just a bunch of dumb votes like always. good to know-
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I don't think 1shot was trying to stop the progression of the game.In post 48, 1 Shot Vanilla Town wrote:Stop trying so hard off the bat, just let it flow and work it from there.
I think he wanted the game to progress at a rate that actually allows scum reads to develop naturally and more accurately than slamming someone for a single post during RVS.
I looked back at his no vote and following joke post.
Either he's scum who had a response planned in case he got scum read... Or he's just town who knew he was joking to begin with.
Applying Occam's razor makes me think 1shot is just town (or at least null) here.-
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The natural next step is to explain what you've learned. Please do that.In post 100, Joshz wrote:I've been scum read every game on here, this is nothing new. My vote on 1 shot was to see if people built the wagon. People did just that, when in reality trying to read into a nl vote and a clear joke post during RVS is awful and destined to fail. My vote on penguin was a random vote on one of the only 3 names itg I remembered (1 shot and gerry being the others) as a placeholder before my post on pine immediately after.
And I vote with no explanation all the time, sometimes with a following explanation, sometimes reaction gauging, and sometimes reaction gauging on what I truly believe to be scum to test relationships. That's just how I play.
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So the question is whether or not it's scum bs.
Honestly, I don't think I'd ever reveal that I do this IF I was a player who actually does this. It just calls into question whether or not you're lying about it. It won't help your game, as either alignment, to admit to doing this.
Admitting to this goes against both win conditions no matter your role. I don't think the type of player who abuses the rules in this way would admit to doing this.
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Hey I recommend you come back and play again if you're telling the truth. I've thought about employing the strategy myself but decided against it. I've had the 'dark thoughts' like this. I don't blame you for employing it. Anyone here who demonizes you for it should should realise we're just playing a game and not take it so seriously.
All's fair in love and war right?
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@Pine - I'm really liking LUV right now. I'll come back and back that up with something other than gut tomorrow when I'm not tired.
I'm really liking you Pine. That's a level of analytical reasoning that's difficult to fake as town. Not only that, the only other time I've seen it faked so effectively was by a scum player who never ended their 'analysis' with a vote. I picked up on it (because I was their partner) but nobody else did.
What makes Pine's behavior and my ex partner's behavior different is that Pine is actively moving the discussion somewhere (and following it up with a vote) while my partner was more conservative.
I'm heavily town reading Pine right now.
I'd like to point out that he is actively trying to solve the game while ThinkBig is more or less just throwing shade. Look at 210.-
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I'm telling a story from a previously finished game.In post 213, ThinkBig wrote:
Pardon?In post 212, nn30 wrote:What makes Pine's behavior andmy ex partner's behaviordifferent is that Pine is actively moving the discussion somewhere (and following it up with a vote) while my partner was more conservative.-
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@Garmr / Pine - Your conversation reads like town v. town to me.
I like Garmr's theory on TB being town. Pine, if you want to continue this conversation, start with either agreeing or refuting Garmr's theory on why TB is town.
Right now I agree with Garmr and am putting TB as a slight town read for it.
@Penguin Power - Please explain your vote on TB.-
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Another wrinkle - Drealmer throws some shade on TB for his vote of Josh.In post 111, drealmerz7 wrote:are you his buddy warning him, TB?
TB is townier for it IMO.
Once the Josh wagon got run the hell up, there were a few people who stuck around and kept trying to discern Josh's alignment. LUV, Pine, TB, and Garmr were speaking in terms of uncertainty while Drealmer was pissed the wagon had 'died.' The continued attempts by Pine, TB, and Garmr and LUV to decide the motivations of the Josh wagon feel town to me. I'm open to being disagreed with here of course.
The following 3 posts from LUV ring townie for me.
The first feels like confused town
The second feels like an attempt to solve the game.
The third feels like he's happy to let the Josh lynch fade away due to the slot being replaced. Feels like he wanted to reset Josh to 'null' and sort it later. Feels townie.
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I follow this YT channel that talks a lot about the psychology and stuff. He has a video where he talks about the biases which cause us to mis-read things in the first place. It's fascinating actually. You might find this video interesting.In post 232, ThinkBig wrote:
Missed that, I apologize.In post 230, nn30 wrote:
I'm telling a story from a previously finished game.In post 213, ThinkBig wrote:
Pardon?In post 212, nn30 wrote:What makes Pine's behavior andmy ex partner's behaviordifferent is that Pine is actively moving the discussion somewhere (and following it up with a vote) while my partner was more conservative.
Note to self: Never mafiascum at 1:30 AM in the morning after a 10 hour workday.
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@Penguin - I dunno, I'm unconvinced. Flipping between 'scum read' and 'policy lynch' seems like something a towny could do. They aren't exactly super concerned with being consistent from post to post in the same way that scum are. The flip-flop leans town to me, not scum.
Not sure about the rest but that's the biggest point I wanted to contest you on.
I'll post this for clarity:
Town reads:
Pine, Garmr, LUV, TB
Null:
Everyone else.
I'd like to focus on my null's.
1-shot VT - I want more posts from this guy. His 'no lynch' from RVS spawned a couple pages worth of discussion and I don't actually think 1VT himself ever weighed in.
Dark Horse - He seems to be adept at discussing things with people but, at least on D1, he was happy to let town do what it wanted. On D2 he hops on LUV for reasons of his own which says town to me. His D1 seems at least a bit scummy (never takes a stance with his vote that says he's willing to stick his neck out) but his D2 removes this worry for me (by voting for LUV). I'd like to see what his thoughts are on the current game state but for now he's still a null.
Secret Agent - Needs to post more. Not much to go off of.
Penguin - Needs to post more. Not much to go off of.
Flubbernugget - Needs to post more. Literally nothing to go off of.
In summary, if you're on my null list GET IN HERE DAMN IT. 4/5 of you haven't posted enough for me to be confident in anything at all in regards to you. If you don't get in here I'm going to start advocating for lurker lynches because I'm town reading most of the people who are actually talking.
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It's also that I think Dreamer's interactions with him weren't distancing.In post 239, Pine wrote:nn30, you're being way too forgiving. You can't extend the benefit of the doubt to someone in Mafia. It's pretty antithetical to how the game is played. I feel like giving TB that benefit of the doubt is the only reason yo have for TRing him.-
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Thank you for posting content Penguin. I'm sorry to say that I found it unconvincing and I think you've got conf!bias goggles on.In post 237, PenguinPower wrote:Um...so I post content, and instead of talking about it - like you want us to do - you comment on a portion of one of my bullets with a poor response. And, then you tell us to get in here and talk.
How about this. Talk to me about why TB is town, and why the rest of my bullets have no merit.
I town read TB for the same reason that Garmr does - the interactions between TB and Dreamer feels like Dreamer is attempting to throw shade on him. There are two explanations for this behavior - distancing, and FoS setting up a later mislynch. I discount the distancing explanation so as a result I find TB to be town.
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So I guess the question is how new is TB?In post 243, Pine wrote:It's more Drealmerz's actions and general impressions than specific things about TB. However, Congratulating the Doc is a classic newbie scumslip though, and congratulating the Vig is an entirely fluent translation of that.
He's been here for over a year and has numerous completed games.
I think that means he's not going to make the 'newb scum slip'
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Let's say we have 2 types of evidence.
Smoking gun evidence
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Circumstantial evidence
Obviously, a smoking gun is more convincing than circumstantial evidence.
I think that his interactions with Dreamer are always circumstantial while an analytical reading of TB's posting will be closer to a smoking gun. I also think that his interactions with Dreamer are devalued because of the WIFOM associated with it (I think he was distancing! No, I think he was throwing shade!) Since we will never know Dreamer's motivations beyond a shadow of a doubt, we have to rely on something else.
If you want me to be convinced by you, I need you to make a case which stands up on its own meritswithoutthe inclusion of his interactions with Dreamer.
p-edit: he's been here since oh shit I mis-read september 2016 as September of LAST year. MB.
But Jesus Christ who HARD DEFENDS THEIR SCUM BUDDY.
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You really should have taken something other than a fence-sitty stance here.In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?
You're basically throwing out some bait and hoping another townie will latch onto it.
If you were town, and you believed at all what you just said, you'd be voting for me yourself instead of asking for someone else to do it for you.
Also, I don't like the fact that you've just thrown out an associative between two players which requires BOTH of us to be scum to be correct. This is a classic scum move IMO. It looks like you're 'trying' to solve the game but it's really an intentionally bad effort meant to mis-lead us into a lynch rather than one to solve the game.
VOTE: Penguin
P-edit: @ Dark Horse - I agree the quick lynch was not in our best interests as town. I had begun town reading Josh but I got this feeling after realizing he had already been lynched. I was at dinner with my father and in that span of time he was lynched.
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1) I find these an attempt at discussion. NAIIn post 245, PenguinPower wrote:@NN:
1.) His specific comments around RVS ending, and the ensuing interaction. Easy to find.
2.) Why do you feel it's not distancing?
3.) TB called is a policy lynch with no comment about scumminess. Later stated his that he had a scum read, but did not elaborate. How is that not scummy?
4.) Why would town want to appear scummy?
5.) I'm not sure if you don't get it, or don'twantto get it since I was pretty clear. TB screwed up his counting of the votes which specifically left out SAJ's vote, but counted everyone elses (which meant a lynch). He then proceeded to unvote. I think that was done to try and get towncred.
6.) So? Where's his explanation of a scumread that he previously said he had...none. Back to policy lynch forgoing his scumread claim.
7.) TB is fairly new. So....yes.
nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?
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TB's been here for a bit over two months, and has what....1 or 2 completed games?
2) Gut. Same as your reason for believing it to be distancing.
3) Townie's can do this.
4) He doesn't care about being town read is what I'm saying. It's not that he WANTS to appear scummy, it's that he isn't intentionally trying to cover his tracks.
5) There's an easier explanation - he screwed up the vote count. Use Occam's razor.
6) The reasons for scum reading Josh had been beaten to death. He didn't need to add his opinion to the consensus pile.
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For the purposes of a discussion of TB, that's exactly what I'm saying. Do not insinuate that the scope of my reasoning goes beyond this, please.In post 249, PenguinPower wrote:So, we shouldn't look at any associative interactions between flipped scum and players of unknown roles. Cool...you have fun with that.
I think that TB's interactions with Dreamer make TB townier.
You think that TB's interactions with Dreamer make him scummier.
We're beating our heads against a wall continuing that conversation.
I'm asking you to move into unclaimed territory (TB's other posts) and convince me there. I don't really have an opinion on the rest of that so you have more opportunity to convince me THERE than by trying to convince me that Dreamer's interactions with him make him scum.-
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That was the very logic you put in your post.In post 250, PenguinPower wrote:Um...why would I vote you if you being scum relied on TB being scum? Bad logic.
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@Town - I found a bad guy in Penguin. Help me out here, let's string him up.
p-edit - @Dark Horse - all fair points. I'll move LUV to null for now. I'm more interested in Penguin at the moment and would be more than happy to entertain a LUV discussion at a later point.
I also agree - screwing up the vote count is not something scum is likely to do.
pp-edit - @Penguin - you're more than allowed to be irritated! However your entire case on TB is based on choosing the harder explanation which, in my eyes, invalidates your case.
I am not misapplying Occam's razor.
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Way to back track Penguin.In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?-
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This:
Is backtracking from this:In post 257, PenguinPower wrote:No. TB can be scum without you...hence why my vote is on TB.
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We didn't really have any D1 cases other than Josh... So while your point that Pine didn't run any D1 cases with merit holds water, the same can be said of most of the town (since the only other 'case' was one on 1-shot vt and I believe that 'case' to be built on RVS nonsense).In post 259, Garmr wrote:Can anyone actually point out a real case that pine ran on day 1 and why it has merit?
I felt that my conversation with Pine about the no lynch vote was town motivated. Hence my town reading of him. Take a look for yourself. If you have a differing reading of that please let me know what I'm missing.-
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You're absolutely correct.In post 264, Pine wrote:
Join date 2.5 months ago, post count 368. That's about as vulnerable to newbie tells as you get.In post 244, nn30 wrote:
So I guess the question is how new is TB?In post 243, Pine wrote:It's more Drealmerz's actions and general impressions than specific things about TB. However, Congratulating the Doc is a classic newbie scumslip though, and congratulating the Vig is an entirely fluent translation of that.
He's been here for over a year and has numerous completed games.
I think that means he's not going to make the 'newb scum slip'
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Now it's a reaction test too? Rather than a real read?In post 263, PenguinPower wrote:
No, it's not. I independently scumread TB that was based on no involvement from you. My vote was on TB before any interaction with you. Why are you trying to misrep this?In post 261, nn30 wrote:This:
Is backtracking from this:In post 257, PenguinPower wrote:No. TB can be scum without you...hence why my vote is on TB.
In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?
You're taking a reaction test way to seriously, which makes me wonder if I really did hit too close to home now that you're trying to push me based on it.
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This is one hell of a high bar, one which I will regrettably not be holding myself to.In post 276, PenguinPower wrote:
Yes, please do. Take care not to misrep or twist words. Also, make sure to provide smoking gun evidence and utilize Occam's Razor in your thought process.In post 274, Secret Agent Jin wrote:Summarize why PP is scum
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It's really just this right here.In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:nn hard defending his scumbuddy? Lynch nn/TB for the win?
He's been here since June. Not sure what this says about his experience level, but he's certainly not a newbie anymore.
1) Scum rarely, if ever, hard defend their scum buddy.
2) This post is making three separate assumptions
i) TB is scum due to his interactions with Dreamer
ii) I'm scum
iii) That I've decided that it's in my best interest to hard defend my scum partner
Penguin should have been here long enough to know post-flip associations are a big fat mess of WIFOM - figuring out exactly what it means is hard.
He's been here long enough that he shouldcertainlyknow that pre-flip associations are just a load of crap.
So, he's taking his version of Dreamer's interactions with TB to indicate beyond a reasonable doubt that TB is scum. He then takes that, applies it to me, and uses it to assume that because I'm defending TB I also must be scum.
It's either bad town play or scum play.
I'm inclined to think that it's scum play - I've seen scum intentionally use associations between players (flipped and unflipped) to create 'cases' on people which should never have been there to begin with. When getting a mis-lynch fails, entertaining this many assumptions can masquerade as an attempt to 'solve the game' and earn the scum some town cred in the process.
Penguin has given me exactly 0 indiction that he's trying to solve the game. He's just throwing some low-effort crap at the wall and hoping a townie jumps on it (like the above quote - notice his lack of vote for me? He was hoping somebody else would do that for him).
@Town - Thoughts? I'm not interested in Penguin's perspective. He'll just try and talk his way out of it. I am willing to be swayed by the following people:
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Trying my best here.In post 282, PenguinPower wrote:Awesome. You are a great asset to town. Thanks for joining.
I'm doing this to sort you as well...
If some of the players, who I am strongly town reading, concur with you I'm more than willing to drop my read of you.
Until then I'm not interested in your take on the topic - you're going to disagree with my case and do so with conviction regardless of your alignment.-
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@Penguin - please see my post 64 in which I scum read Dreamer for his use of !!!!! in his post.
My read on him consisted of tone, and 4 characters (he used ! four times in his post).
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What are you talking about? I've re-read D1 three times now. There was never a moment where I felt a pine wagon was going to flair up. What are you talking about with you 'so many times' argument?In post 311, Garmr wrote:
Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.
The D1 was a joke. We disucssed some RVS crap and then ran up Josh for his bad play.
There weren't 'so many' opportunities.
I'm sold.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
VOTE: TB-
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I don't know why you're up Pine's acorns here.In post 312, Garmr wrote:
Incorrect way of trying to frame things. Stop trying to frame my argument as something completely diffrent that's scummy.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
I actually talked about what he said and did and compared them which goes beyond surface level. My argument goes into the motivation of the action not just the action itself learn to fucking argue thanks.
Your argument says nothing about motivation.
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Wait a minute.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
Wtf are you guys even talking about?
The only vote he cast all day was for Josh...
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Unrelated note, I'm fairly certain this makes Secret Agent Town.In post 99, drealmerz7 wrote:
Well then prepare to SR me, because this is a lot of the way I play the game. I play in possibilities and likelihoods of those possibilities.In post 95, Secret Agent Jin wrote:. They often write reads that are easily back tracked on which contain words like maybe, possibly, could be.
I will lay 10 possibilities on the table, all of which certainly CAN NOT be true, and weigh them all and want to talk about them all / hear what others have to say about them all, get reads from all of that and let that influence everything and then gauge what I think is most likely to be the case, always with the caveat in mind (and often in my ramblings) that "of course maybe not"
to me it is a healthy way to play, and then from there what you need to do is judge who is just throwing around shit to cause problems and confusion, and who is actually trying to solve the game and figure things out
Dreamer doesn't say this to his partner... he says it to a townie he's trying to get off the trail.-
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Neither were ever beyond 10% viable.In post 319, Garmr wrote:
Tell me when a TB wagon was more viable over pine during day 1? The point was no one was voting tb except the actual scum member and even through he was pushing on pine he didn't switch his vote. He had the chance to at anytime switch the vote especially when I declined him trying to buddy up to me.In post 314, nn30 wrote:
What are you talking about? I've re-read D1 three times now. There was never a moment where I felt a pine wagon was going to flair up. What are you talking about with you 'so many times' argument?In post 311, Garmr wrote:
Buzz nope your still on surface level. The correct argument and line of reasoning is if pine is town why wouldn't he just move his vote over to pine when he had the chance so many times? Super fucking simple stuff.In post 309, Secret Agent Jin wrote:So, Garmr, are you suggesting a link between Dreal and Pine? I actually think that the surface level is what you are looking at with the Dreal/Pine thing. We know Dreal was scum but do you think scum would try to move one vote off their partner when someone can easily point to that and link the two? I think it was more of a ploy so that when Dreal flipped someone would draw lines to Pine and take him down.
The D1 was a joke. We disucssed some RVS crap and then ran up Josh for his bad play.
There weren't 'so many' opportunities.
I'm sold.In post 310, Pine wrote:Surface level is exactly what Garmr's on about. He keeps talking about what Drealmerz SAID, not what he DID. He SAID ThinkBig, and then DID go after me.
ThinkBig is the correct lynch.
VOTE: TB
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This feels like a lot of grand standing coming from Dreamer...In post 184, drealmerz7 wrote:
I'm fucking devastated. Seriously. It's fucking bogus. Scum tactics through and through. He sells it well, but I am NOT BUYING IT. If he hadn't self-voted I MAYYYYYYYBE would have MAYYYYYBE dropped it depending on the rest of it, but, nononononono, that is just SCUMMMMMMMMMMM. And if he gets replaced because you guys let him go...omfg...graaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...."ohno they caught me replace me" - it's a fucking free passIn post 181, Pine wrote:
Vote drealmerz
This guy is WAY too disappointed at the dissolution of the Josh wagon. Why so invested in it? He was an easy lynch, looks like disappointed scum.
NOOOOO.
It's gotta be my HS culture. No doubt.
I already feel that he does... well... whatever grammatical catatastrophe this quote encompasses when he's trying to fake a reaction.
I also don't think that Pine scum reads his buddy in this way - it's too legitimate sounding of a read. When you throw your buddy a scum read, you do it kind of weakly. You don't give town something to actualy latch onto - and this is something worth latching onto from Pine.-
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@Garmr - please reference specific posts and instances for your 'part 2.'
A few things. Your 330 makes a lot of sense to me. Here's what I think is safe to conclude from what you are trying to say:
Confirmed scum Dreamer responds to a case on pine by FoS both Pine and TB. He lands on TB, however, with the stronger suspicion.
What does this say about TB? He's probably town.
What does this say about Pine? One of two things - he's either scum that Dreamer soft defended, or he's town.
Here's my best argument for town pine in the context of this discussion - Dreamer's actions cannot be looked at in black and white terms. He could have soft defended his buddy, yes, but he could also just be saying crap in an attempt to get town read or in an attempt to confuse town. You cannot conclusively say that Pine is scum because of this isnstance.
Which is why I want you to point to specific instances for your 'part 2' so that we can futher this discussion.
FTR - I have a strong town read on Pine because of his and I's interactions following the D1 1shot no lynch discussion. I'm willing to admit that I'm wrong here - it's on you to convince me.-
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He talked about you and he's conf!scum.In post 336, Pine wrote:Wait, how does drealmerz attacking me "link me to him"?
We're now WIFOMing about whether or not it was because you're scum or because you're town.
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So:
I am town reading the following players.
Gamer
LUV
Secret Agent
Dark Horse
Town lean:
Pine
TB
Null:
1 shot
Flubbernugget
Scum lean:
Penguin
I'd like to more strongly discuss my null and scum reads. We're going in circles Garmr. Take the tunnel goggles off.
Re: Penguin - I posted a case on him to which only he reaponded. I'd like more input on it.
Re: Flubber - post man...
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