In post 89, drealmerz7 wrote:ooof, are we still talking about this no-lynch stuffs? well, good I guess, but only because it created content, well done 1SVT!
it's helped me get some reads
1SVT - not serious vote in that he doesn't really want no-lynch, serious in that he did it to get reactions or at least serious RVS (knowing it's a joke), which means nothing (which I don't think scum would do in RVS, this is a case in point as to why, ppl are too touchy about even the mention of it, even in RVS) - townleany for this
30nn - view of situation is similar to mine, I think others are trying to possibly make the NL vote seem more scummy than it was and they are the ppl to look at - very townlean here
PP - bit towny after it
Pine - bit scummy after it
TB - the most scummy after it
In post 60, Dark Horse wrote: are you saying that suggesting No lynch is something that seems more town than scum
No, and I don't like to talk in generalities, if you're still unclear on my position in regards to
this
game, let me know, everything else is theoretical and a distraction.
In post 64, nn30 wrote: In post 51, drealmerz7 wrote:no-lynch haters love to hate on no-lynch!
all the RVS votes of stupidity and meaninglessness, and ppl just want to KILLLLL the person who has a peaceable approach, even in RVS!!! I generally tend to look for scum in the ppl who are trying to make an issue out of an RVS no-lynch vote -
now, saying that, no-lynch is GENERALLY a bad idea for town on D1 and scum know that and don't draw themselves into attention by doing that, so there is just a ton of WIFOM there anyway and I think the simple "attention draw" about it has me lean town about it rather than scum
I love to throw out a no-lynch vote for reactions on occasion. Or sometimes I do want it because of reasons (no good scum reads and being a cop, for example.)
I'm scum reading you for your '!' and '!!!' in the above post.
Seems like you're trying to pretend to have a reaction here.
*shrug*
Anecdotally, I won my first scum game by suggesting a no-lynch D1 and intentionally playing it off like I was newb town. I knew exactly what I was doing and it worked like a charm so it is a viable strategy if you know how to pull it off.
Town has good reason to denounce the no-lynch suggestion: the only motivations for it are scum or bad town play.
Well, I often use a lot of punctuation, caps, italics, etc, to empassion my words. It's NAI for me, and I'ma not change, of course. Don't know what else to tell you cept it's all genuine. *shrug* (hey, I *shrug* often enough too!)
In your win, did you suggest it in RVS, or later? Anecdotally, in my first game I argued a lot for a no-lynch despite the rigorous explanations of why it wasn't a good idea, and most ppl were definitely aware that I might just be pretending to be noob about it and actual scum. I was an investigative role though and knew I'd get a result and so used that to push the issue (and knew I wouldn't likely get NKed because of the controversy.) It's actually become a whole thing with me on my HS, no-lynch discussion / voting and all that. I sometimes will do no-lynch in RVS to indicate I have an investigative role, but for that reason I also do it when I don't and for other reasons, just randomly really anymore, to keep it all mixed up.
In post 90, drealmerz7 wrote: In post 88, Dark Horse wrote:What exactly is a rate where scum reads "develop naturally," nn. It seems like this is where our disagreement stems from
This question is a bit scummy to me, a little reminiscent of the question you asked me about "does that mean you think it's towny to vote no-lynch" which felt a bit like you were trying to twist what I said but I let it go then...
asking for an "exact rate" of something that "develops naturally" is a bit ridiculous
it's like asking how fast the grass grows - you can get an AVERAGE rate, but an exact rate is impossible, because it FLUCTUATES depending on the specifics of the environment/climate
reads develop naturally - case by case basis game by game, it just depends how much the scumness grows and how much that is counteracted by townness
I've caught up.
I have some more questions before I post my thoughts.
1) What are your current reads on everyone?
2) Pine, please give me your current thoughts on Jin, nn30, and PP
3) garmr, let's assume for a moment that Pine was revealed to be a conf. town. Who would you lynch next?
I still think a mass claim is the right move here and now. I'll elaborate.
Town is a mess. At least one, if not two, of the "trusted" voices are scum (nn30, pine, garmr, jin). There's no other explanation for this town death rate. If you were all town, you'd have stronger reads than "hur, dur, let's lynch the lurker" on
Day fucking 3
. Those of you who are town, should probably recognize that you're in a state of shambles and likely to lose if things continue.
I realize that the jailkeeper and remaining goon will neutralize/kill our PRs tonight, but from the looks of things, we'll benefit more from having at least two conf. town for the rest of the day and 1+ remaining tomorrow, than we would from the possible utility of one more days' anonymity.
However, I'm more than willing for our vig and rolecop to just claim "PR", unless further clarification is required. Scum would have to out themselves to force them to be more specific, which is also beneficial.
As a concession to professor nn30's book report assignment, I'll give you PP/kmd as my most confident town lean. I won't explain yet, though.
