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Wait...you think both me and karnos are scum?In post 1659, Lowell wrote:I'm here. Briefly, since I'm running to a meeting (and am old). I agree with Math's 1550 in response to penguin's "why would I do this" post, for the reasons he stated. After that we can sort it out, but I'm relatively sure iron and saru are town. I lean town on bji, and I'm not quite seeing the nero case yet. My guess is the other is Karnos. I'll check in on this once more this evening if I can, and then tomorrow.
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^In post 1634, Saru wrote:Penguin might say "well maybe the scum just happened to kill arona by coincidence" to which I would reply...no.
Calling this out for endgame.
Either this is what happened, scum have an investigative PR, or what I mentioned earlier happened.-
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K, I'm still new and all, but I checked the wiki for normal roles and didn't see anything that requires one to die (except for bodyguard, but that's not what you are alluding to) for the role to activate.In post 1657, ironstove wrote:Yes, arguably so because I need to be die for it to work and I want to stay in the game-
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Well done, bji.In post 1691, bji wrote:Spoiler: For everyone except Penguin
For Penguin:
I don't think Iron should claim his role.-
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Maybe not you, but there are two of you left.In post 1744, karnos wrote:How on earth would I be setting up 2 miss-lynches? If we lynch you and you come back town, do you think anyone is going to be listening to me tomorrow?-
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GAH! I'm the scummiest and you took your vote off me! I don't get you.
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Oh, and just want to recall this from karnos:
In post 341, karnos wrote:Sharing town reads gives scum a road map to victory.
Now, he did say he looked forward to providing his full read list eventually, but he was going to wait to do that to find the last scum by POE. We still have two scum...so, yeah.In post 357, karnos wrote:That is dead wrong. I shared full reads lists, had multiple "scum" reads, confirmed town as confirmed town etc. And I was scum, that is the one thing you do remember correctly.
And as scum, I won because town sharing full reads gave us an easy path to victory, we just killed the people who scum read us the most and kept town alive who had poor reads.-
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Yes. I don't think Nero would have tried to start a counterwagon as scum unless Saru was also scum (meaning I'm wrong about karnos, which I doubt). I don't think that all three scum would be on mal's mislynch D1, and Thor and karnos were on it, with karnos being the last to join. I don't think that two scum would be pushing for bji on D2. I think scum!Nero would have wanted to hop on Thor's obvious lynch D3 for towncred.In post 1757, bji wrote:@Penguin: Are you town reading Nero for any reason other than just to disagree with those who are scum reading you?
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I'm not defending Nero hard. He just doesn't work as scum with how I'm reading the game right now.In post 1759, karnos wrote:Tinfoily speculation: maybe Nero isn't actually scum, while Penguin is. Penguin thinks that by defending Nero hard, we will lynch Nero tomorrow after Penguin flips red today, and give Penguin's actual partner an extra chance to win.-
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Nero and Saru. It would explain what Nero pushed the counter wagon D1, and why Saru wasn't on it. It would help explain the no lynch D2. They have rarely been voting the same person outside of D1 start.In post 1764, ironstove wrote:Penguin if karnos is town who do you think is the remaining scum and why?-
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That would involve me believing that karnos is town. That's hard for me to do right now.In post 1768, ironstove wrote:I agree. Now would you please be willing to vote Nero so we can progress the game?-
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No, but it does rely solely on tone and previous experience; and, requires much more complexity of action than in the case of Nero/Saru.In post 1773, karnos wrote:And this is all because I voted an IC, before the IC was mod confirmed?
Fuck it. If you're scum, I'll let you have this one.
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It is a dumb case. As scum, I would want to keep aron alive since he townread me, FA townread me, so everyone that aron added to the neighborhood could more easily be convinced that I was town. What did I gain by killing him? Oh, that's right, my current situation.In post 1778, Lowell wrote:I still think math's case on penguin nails it, and I don't see anything he's done in response as town.
Dumb case is dumb.
Please point out said attitude change.In post 1778, Lowell wrote:Even if you buy his argument that the aron death was random, his attitude change today has been a 180.
Bolded for emphasis: I think this might be the dumbest thing you've said.
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If you weren't the IC, I'd be seeing scum. That wasn't an attack on Lowell, that was a defense for me from his post. That wasn't a naked vote on Nero, I explained why I thought Nero was scum if karnos wasn't scum in previous posts. Please start reading before writing. It's the responsible thing to do.In post 1789, MathBlade wrote:Still with attacking Lowell. Then naked vote of Nero.-
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You are really killing my confidence that you are actually paying attention to this game.In post 1790, MathBlade wrote:Which list do you believe in more. What you posted or assuming Karnos is town?-
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I read karnos as not scum based on what I previously said. If karnos is not scum, then what I said about Nero/Saru must hold true. Thus, I vote Nero.In post 1796, MathBlade wrote:Explain to me why you are reading Karnos as town.-
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Again, I DON'T THINK KARNOS IS SCUM. There, that should call it out for you. I don't think this because THE ONLY REASON I DID WAS BECAUSE OF META, HIS TONE, AND THE WHOLE COMPLEX BUSSING/HAMMER THING THAT I REFERRED TO EARLIER. I READ NERO/SARU AS SCUM BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE PRECEDING POSTS THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THEM.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:Why do you think Karnos is town?
Ahh...ok. Now that I answered your question, let's break it on down now:
I actually find it quite offensive that you can dictate what is/is not healthy for the site. There are many different play styles across the various players on this site, and for you to call one out as "unhealthy" to the site is an attack on character.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:If either you or ironstove are town that is not the way to have a healthy site going forward. Let's assume my intelligence is that of a rock. The appropriate thing to do is explain it in further detail. Not insult the player suggesting you are scum for it.
Um, yeah, maybe...I was previously an IC (funnily enough, in a game where karnos was scum) and made it to endgame. You don't know scum motivations.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:Furthermore I will be dying tonight so "laying it all down on me" would be ridiculous as I would be dead.
And, yet you are.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:As I told ironstove earlier I don't respond to threats or insults.
Don't give a flying flip.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:While you believe you have adequately answered the question I however do not.
I said I scum read him for tone, past experience ("meta"), and complex actions. You're being pedantic.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:You have said the only reason you scumread Karnos was meta.
Actions Karnos have not taken are not "meta".
You scum read him for the quick hammer. Assuming it is a "complex" action (which typing a vote is not complex) it does not qualify as meta.
Don't give a flying flip about your opinion.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:Therefore you are in my opinion contradicting yourself.
See above.In post 1806, MathBlade wrote:So explain it again to me. Why do you think Karnos is town?-
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Holy crap, that was all bad.
Explains this specifically, because that post had nothing to do with me, and you're calling me out for a "deliberate lie."In post 1822, MathBlade wrote:However Penguin was the one who was caught deliberately lying about the state of the policy lynch 1089 This would make bji the counter wagon for Thor and make him town.-
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This why ICs who think they are awesome are bad. None of these teams make sense...except IS and karnos in a far-off-land world.In post 1822, MathBlade wrote:Penguin Power + Lowell
Saru + Penguin Power
Saru + ironstove
Karnos + ironstove
Hard town reading : bji, Nero
Light town read: ironstove
Waffle House: Karnos
Light scum read: Saru (by night actions only by posts he seems townie)
The likely scum team: Penguin Power + Lowell
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That wasn't directed to me at all. His spoiler title was in reference to my earlier complaint about a wall...he's been doing it ever since...have you not noticed that? Show me my lie.In post 1829, MathBlade wrote:Nero said it wasn't a policy and it was but it was specifically directed towards you as well
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Why?In post 1840, Nero Cain wrote:PP's "case" that requires Karnos to be town and Saru to be scum is silly by itself but if he actually believed that he'd be voting Karnos.-
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*DING DING DING*In post 1891, karnos wrote:Or do you also think both scum are voting on the town wagon?
Considering I think it's Nero/Saru right now, and they are both on me.-
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We'll, that's not true. His scum buddy is too.In post 1895, MathBlade wrote:
Only I am which makes him a mislynch.In post 1884, ironstove wrote:idk how everyone is town reading nero, he's really fucking scummy.-
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No, I was. His list was backwards from everyone else's, but I see the qualifier following now.In post 1898, MathBlade wrote:
Surely not Saru who said they were scum reading Nero.
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No you won't. You should probably replace out.In post 1930, Lowell wrote:prodge, weekends are bad. still would prefer penguin, but will catch up.