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You wouldn't vote with me and d7 yesterday you betrayed us for gerryIn post 2189, TTTT wrote:
you just hurt my feelingsIn post 2184, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:shannon sesq you can be the new townblock with me.-
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Oh so I'm Ascetic and shannon is the 3rd scum. So the plan was to wait for someone to bite when you didn't give out the name, later conveniently say that you targeted that player, then claim shannon is the 3rd scum. And you also think that from a balance standpoint that it makes sense to have an Ascetic scum in the same game as a Follower? What is the point of the Follower in such a setup?
Now you're saying that an Ascetic did the kill which means it's probably not a strongman unless you also thing a strongman ascetic would be balanced, so you think it's a roleblocker I assume? This is rich.-
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If your target can only have 1 partner why don't you just out your scumteam theory and tell us your target later at least? Give us something because you sound exactly like TTTT says, scum waiting to see which way to take the narrativeIn post 2217, Titus wrote:
Waiting for evidence of town Drone before trusting him.In post 2215, TTTT wrote:
what was the purpose of waiting until this point to tell Drone your target?In post 2166, Titus wrote:Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.
I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.
I get why town!you doesn't give it up at night
but why not at day start?
This just looks like scum waiting to see which way to take the narrative
explain town reason for this
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How can you imply that Titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result would be something that a townie with the information we have would support?In post 2218, Raskolnikov wrote:Here's what I don't get, shannon how are you against titus saying her target is scum based on a no-result without knowing who the target is?
I can see people's problems with just the attitude, who HAVEN'T seen town-titus before but you remembering that from your game we literally went over yesterday and you admitted it was the same.-
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You could argue it's NAI, but she's still withholding information from the town by not revealing. She's also not leading the discussion anywhere else, so what do you think her motivation is for keeping it to herself? It doesn't look like there's anything in particular she wants to discuss before she outs the claims-
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Hey Drone, look at this VC. Sesq is town so don't even think about it.
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@Drone - Because the votes in that count don't point to that. Why would I assume shannon is town from that?
@Titus - I already colored all of them and was waiting for you to do something with them since I know that's something you like to do. See 2153.-
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That's the point, if you're scumIn post 2244, Drone wrote:
You really can't confirm such a thing..In post 2241, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:@Drone - Because the votes in that count don't point to that. Why would I assume shannon is town from that?
@Titus - I already colored all of them and was waiting for you to do something with them since I know that's something you like to do. See 2153.
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What makes you think this isn't enough investigative power? Could be a low power game on both sides if all the mafia has is something like a roleblocker. Plus there's the neighborhood claim from Drone/Titus. You could argue that if one of them is town and the other is scum that it serves as investigative power for the town neighbor to discover if their neighbor is scum through a PT.In post 2213, Raskolnikov wrote:So overall I'm not sure that JOAT + 2-s follower is enough investigation tools.
1 jailkeep, 1 gunsmith and 2 follows altogether is maybe 1 cop's worth of investigation power.
UB isn't really invest but I'd still count it towards that from the longer lifespan it'd give either.
Then there's either strongman or RB confirmed via n1, assuming transcend BP'd (which the JK claim 100% suggests) which is scum power on the other side.
Unless there's an invest CC I wouldn't even consider titus lynch here.
Titus coming to the conclusion of Ascetic rather than RB does not make sense to me. She is supposedly known for being good at setup spec so I don't think if she had a genuine motive to crack the setup that she would arrive at Ascetic after seeing the LUV flip.In post 2216, Raskolnikov wrote:That said it's more likely titus was roleblocked than targeted ascetic.
Ascetic COULD exist and fits JK (not unreasonable) but follower flip suggests against it. Makes follower almost a non-factor and titus being roleblocked as claimed pr feels more likely than out of all targets she hit an ascetic.-
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I considered that yesterday which is why I pointed out there was only one kill again and that I was starting to wonder if we even have a vig, because I was thinking it was entirely possible we had a vig who wasn't sold on you or LUV N1, or even that you or LUV were the vig and that's why neither of you died. I still thought it was possible you were the vig and LUV was scum that got lucky in claiming you went nowhere when you chose not to use your shot(s), but I didn't say anything because I didn't want you to use it as fakeclaim to incriminate LUV if you were scum.
Titus intends to wait a week to announce apparently, that's what she meant by midday. Middle of the Day Phase.
Drone I think means we should look into the possibility of you being scum when he says "check". I don't think he means to wait until tonight to investigate you with a role we probably don't have.
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All true, so you've found the right givens here to eliminate targets but you misinterpret something later onIn post 2258, shannon wrote: Here's what I've got about Titus's target:
It's not SSBM (see 2145 asking whether the target is SSBM's buddy)
It's not me (see 2185 where Titus says I'm scum with the target of the check. She also implies that SSBM and I are not scum together)
It's not Drone. In 2125 Titus says Drone would have shot her target. **note: For Drone to have shot the target, Drone would need to be scum and the target town.Unless Drone is a town vig - but why vig someone who is going to be investigated anyway? This doesn't add up to me**
Let's have a look at 2166 here:In post 2258, shannon wrote: In 2166 Titus is 'reasonably sure' her target is scum due to "jumping out of the wood work to attack me," and she is telling Drone who the target is.
This is actually pointing towards the general activity in the thread of "jumping out of the woodwork to attack her" as an indicator that her target is scum.In post 2166, Titus wrote:Ok, I am telling Drone my target. I am reasonably confident my target is scum with the jumping out of the wood work to attack me.
I am explicitly asking he keep it quiet until midday.
While it's true that she's said none of us 3 were her target at this point, it's still possible she thinks that you and her target are the remaining scum. I would also argue that from a town!Titus PoV that gerry and TTTT are definitely jumping out of the woodwork to attack her, and so are we. All we know is that she didn't target any of us 3 and that she thinks you're one of the 2 remaining scum.In post 2258, shannon wrote: Now we are looking for people who have 'jumped out of the wood work' to attack Titus as of 2166.
Rask hadn't posted yet.
Sesq hadn't posted yet
Impoetic hadn't posted yet
Gerry - only asked a question (did she or did she not tell Drone who was targeted) so that's not an attack.
TTTT - voted Titus ('something's not right) in 2154, but I would not call that 'jumping out of the woodwork to attack'
The only people who might be even remotely construed as 'jumping out to attack' are SSBM, Drone, and me. But she's already said that none of us were her target.
I'd say that my vote was pretty rapid because I voted before hardly anyone else had posted after daybreak. My vote is not the one in question, and neither is Drone's. It's TTTT's.In post 2258, shannon wrote:2169 "The rapid votes indicate my target is scum".
The votes to that point were:
Titus votes Shannon in 2142
SSBM votes Titus in 2144
TTTT votes Titus in 2154
Drone votes Titus in 2168
The phrase 'rapid votes' implies someone later on the wagon is suspicious, because there's nothing 'rapid' about being the first vote. The problem here is that Titus can't have it both ways. If it's SSBM who is voting Titus to defend a scum buddy, then the other votes aren't suspicious because they're genuine and the phrase 'rapid votes' is plain wrong and Titus' whole statement is basically rubbish. TTTT's rapid vote could be opportunistic if she suspects she's been the target of the investigation. Drone's could also be opportunistic, but given that Titus has earlier said she thought Drone would shoot her target, this doesn't make sense.
TL;DR:TTTT is the only possible target unless Titus was lying
People should look for TTTT/shannon team indicators if they are of the opinion that Titus is town. First thing that jumps into my mind is TTTT's first scumpool and how Transcend says that it's a good scumpool if you add shannon to it. Would make sense for scum!TTTT to make a pool like that imo, that contained one of his buddies. He also is the one that lead the Gerry wagon D1.
What bothers me is that they're pushing shannon right now and not TTTT. I'm going to do some rereading now though.
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@Titus - For the record I think you're wrong about shannon even if you're right about TTTT-
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Did you quote the right VC for this one? I don't follow
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Oh you meant he wasn't bussing during the final wagon
When you reveal your target and it's not TTTT I'll quote where you contradicted yourselfIn post 2277, Titus wrote:@SSBM, You've completely forgotten someone in your post.-
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Forewarning that a lot of the things I'm going to go over in this post have been looked at before, so you'll notice some familiar points and posts if you've been here since D1 start. Raskol/Titus/Gerry may not have seen this stuff yet though. We have the context of flips now so I think it's worth revisiting for everyone though.
This whole conversation is based on an early rb wagon iirc. Point is, and Kohai is the one who brought it up last time I think, Impoetic's post here was contrived/WIFOMy. Then she comes back at rb saying there's no point in considering he's scum. Town do not think like this unless they are extremely confirmation biased already and I seriously doubt that was the case here.In post 211, Impoetic wrote:
you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenarioIn post 207, rb wrote:
How do u know im townie though?Impoetic wrote:It's not like I malignantly quickhammered. I joke-voted. I'm telling you there isn't scum motivation in joke-voting, and it's only bad for town because the culprit is town in the first place; if I were mafia, I'd be giving town the rope with which to hang me for... what? A tiny chance to get one townie lynched early in d1... which would require two townies messing up and doing the same thing you're saying i'm scum for?
The response to Kohai was angry and I don't think that assumptions of someone's alignment have anything to do with whether a joke-vote on that person in RVS is AI. The only way a vote on someone in RVS could be AI is if the voter was scum and knew the alignment of the person they were voting already, so I don't think town would factor the alignment of their vote target into their defense of what was supposedly a joke vote in rvs.In post 228, Impoetic wrote:
Are you seriously saying you're misunderstanding every one of my posts this badly on purpose?In post 215, Kohai wrote:
Are you seriously town reading someone because statistically they are more likely to be town? Wtf?In post 211, Impoetic wrote:you're most likely town because statistically most people are town in the game, and the argument against me is assuming you're town so there's no point in considering the other scenario
REad what i said. Read it. I said very clearly that STATISTICALLY, EVERYONE IS MOST LIKELY TOWN, and FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE HYPOTHETICAL, I was referring to a world in which RB is town, because that's the relevant scenario there, when RB asked me why I was assuming they were town when I was defending myself for joke-voting them.
AtE and discrediting rather than focusing on contributing to scumhunting, which is what she claims to be doing in her AtEIn post 232, Impoetic wrote:
Haha no i'm pretty sure you can't read me in forum mafiaIn post 229, Transcend wrote:VOTE: Impoetic
TTTT is town but avatar is disturbing
rb is also still scummy
And last but not least- drealmerz is a mislynch
Aite cya
why are you jumping on a mislynch when the person being voted is trying to contribute and the person doing the voting is half-assedly misconstruing every single thing I say and talking like I'm confscum when he's barely read me and I haven't had time to be conf-anything
you're better than this
Not sure who Roxy is here - Impoetic, who is Roxy? Also, is this scum caught for the wrong reasons? Also noting that the only rational thing she has to say to anyone is shannon and the rest of her posting is AtE. Maybe shannon does know that it's Impoetic after all?In post 407, Impoetic wrote:this vote has had resistance from exactly one person, and the justification from everyone has been
I'm defensive
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I jokevoted
the jokevoting justification is absolutely stupid and i've gone over that extensively
the "defensive" reasoning is about me going over it extensively, which is pro-town and generates content. Argument is good, isn't it? I can't go into any more detail because people can just chalk up anything i say in defense of myself to wifom
it's infuriating
i cannot believe i'm getting wagoned. i guess that's what i get for spazzing out there
I don't know why people TR drone or SR
actually i'm getting very few of the reads here. I tr Roxy but that may be bias because they're the only person i can understand at all this game
maybe rabbit but his last few posts sent him back to null
oh good someone else who isn't jumping on that stupid bw
predit:
shannon -- I typed walls of text as town because I had things to say. I'm not going to hold back what i want to say as town because I risk SRs, because I usually figure as town that justice will prevail in the end, and if people push on me, that gives more reads. I'm not used to being MLed
Her defense of her actions is WIFOM that basically says "Maybe I would do this as scum for WIFOM, but since it would be WIFOM that means IIn post 412, Impoetic wrote:like
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maybe i would ever do it as scum, for wifom
but that'd be because I also do it as town. If I get voted and I don't think it's reasonable, I will respond with why it's unreasonable, and expect the voter to engage me so i can try to figure out whether they're pushing a mislynch as scum or genuinely just mistaken town
predit: the only player i know is transcend and i'm pretty bad at reading him as far as I know. I'll get back to you on that. If I knew a LOT of them, it'd be cause for concern on your part, wouldn't it? Like, if all the people who could meta me were wagoning me...
predit2: the "I'd do this as scum" was fine but then the "town points for the first person to give reasons for scumreading me" slightly leaned scum. Also i feel kind of pocketed right now but that's just me being paranoid. I don't think it's implausible that you're town but I mean, if you are, I don't think you'd lie, and it means you think people should potentially scumread you at this point; if you're scum, that means something else.coulddo it as town so clearly all of this is NAI!"In post 1324, Impoetic wrote:rb's iso was lackluster and he could basically flip either way?
i just got back and i'm trying to catch up, sorry. Titus, i thought you said you thought all town were lynching town, and i see that your SRs are not voting it, so why does wagon analysis prove he's town like that to you?
I mean, ok, lack of counterwagon. That might be a good point, actually.
But why can't TTTT be scum with him? It looks like TTTT is pushing the second most likely wagon right now.In post 1427, Impoetic wrote:well hey that wasobvious and cool
transcend i did figure out you were town while i was rereading = ( and i think kyouko's town too from what i've seen, but i'm far from finished catching up rip
rescinding the read on sesq
Impoetic didn't participate in the lynch and she's making it look like she did by saying we.In post 1432, Impoetic wrote:Okay wait I don't think I ever absorbed who D7 was. Sorry for the dumb question, but who is that? Or do you mean like, when it hits 7 people or something? :s
predit: sorry oops, that was unclear. Transcend wasobvious town and an obvious kill (in reference to the flip)andcool as in we lynched mafia. I only checked transcend's actual role after people brought it up so i didn't see he was a JOAT immediately.
When called out (I think by TTTT) she backpedals. This looks like an OK lynch to me tbhIn post 1433, Impoetic wrote:actually i'm not entirely sure what the obvious was directed at it might not have been transcend given my next sentence
i assume i said it on autopilot. I didn't really remember anything about RB, and though i thought his reaction was bad, titus resisting it made me pretty indifferent to that lynch, so i would hope i wasn't referring to that.-
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The mod was gone between VC 1.10 on post 350 and VC 1.11 on post 566. I made 3 intermediate VCs by going back manually and using ctrl+F to find the votes. All the players are listed in the order that they voted to stay consistent so she is the 5th vote on the wagonIn post 2294, Titus wrote:What posts are the intermediate VCs on? When does Shannon vote Impoetic?-
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Spooky ghost you will be missed until tonight when we will be reunitedIn post 2303, drealmerz7 wrote:oogaboogadoogadoo-
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We have 2 mislynches left before LyLo and there is a compelling case on Impoetic from D1 info imo. If we miss scum today and tomorrow I think that if Titus and/or Drone are scum and they live that long they will not win in that situation because the remaining town will be able to judge whether one or both of them are scum with massclaim.In post 2305, TTTT wrote:something isn't right about day3
I feel like I'm being sold hot diarrhea in a paper cup
@Titus
I can see scum!Imp
I pushed it day2 before you and Drone dismissed it
but I still don't get two things:
1) Why didn't you reveal your target to Droneat day start?
2) Why is mafia ascetic more likely than mafia roleblocker?
@ssbm
why acquiesce so easily to Titus after all your doubts?
it's like you were only pushing scum!Titus when you thought you were her target
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where are you?
I was pushing Titus mostly out of frustration that LUV flipped town and d7 got killed, and that frustration was amplified when she was stubbornly refusing to reveal the info that we had left her alive for yesterday. Now that she's cooperating and I'm settled down a bit I want to step back and look for scum everywhere again, except maybe Sesq. It's D3 now and we have a lot of flips to work with for VCA, and we'll have even more tomorrow. Titus is also a claimed PR and I'm worried about lynching another one of those. I wish LUV would have been honest with his claim from the start because it really looked like he was manipulating his claim to be convenient for his utility to town when he switched from Tracker to Follower. I also looked at setups in the archive and 2 player neighborhoods and UB+JOAT+2-shot Follower does not seem unusual to me, especially if Maf has a role such as strongman or roleblocker.-
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I think that because town!Titus makes sense without making any huge stretches that it seems like a good idea to keep her alive today when she's a claimed PR. I think Roleblocker is most likely in this setup and if we lynch RB today then Titus still has JK to potentially stop tonight's kill and set us up for D6 MyLo with no-lynch D5. If Titus and Drone both live to see tomorrow and we miss scum today one of them has to die to see if the neighbor claim is real. D5 is LyLo if we proceed D3 ml>N3 scum NK (no vig shot, no protection)>D4 ml> N4 scum NK. We have 2 mislynches leftbeforeLyLo and Impoetic looks reasonably scummy right now. You can read my case on her, you don't have to reread her whole ISO.
She's also been coasting most of the game and if she's town she would be a terrible choice to have alive in LyLo, because she'll still look scummy and will be an easy target for scum. She will be there as town if we don't ml her - no way does scum NK her if she's town. She hasn't voted hardly at all this game either which is another reason she would look scummy in LyLo. If she's town and we mislynch her today we'll have better odds of hitting scum the next 2 days because she won't be around as an easy push tomorrow and in LyLo.
If you're town shannon I hope this reasoning gets through to you eventually even if you don't see the possibility of scum!Impoetic from my case-
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She would be L-1 if your vote was officially on herIn post 2316, shannon wrote:take my vote as though it's on impoetic-
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I'm beginning to think that with daytalk on shannon could have placed a quick vote on you to make your wagon look too easy/fast so that it would break up. Other people could reason it was my vote that did that but I know that if any vote was placed intentionally to make the wagon dissipate it was shannon's. That's when you followed up saying something like "wait don't speedlynch me guys I just saw like 3 votes" (quoting from memory) and then the wagon broke up soon afterIn post 2341, Impoetic wrote:This is a liability lynch (oops) rather than a scum lynch, meaning mafia gets a free day even though I'm still considering subbing out (have been posting without being caught up so I'm pretty sure I'm further behind than you think, Shannon -- though the potential subber-inner would be that far behind too, they'd most likely be better than me) so the fact that I *am* subbing out should be cause for unvote unless you actually SR me, which I don't remember people voicing while I was actually active (except that brief wagon at d1 which dissipated just as briefly).-
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if Titus is town she's alive because scum have a roleblocker and having her around causes dissension in the ranks. No need to kill her when they can kill off the townblock and roleblock her, rendering her powerless. They still have a couple nights to kill her if they want but even as a claimed pr she's not confirmed to anyone and she can't get confirmed as long as scum keep roleblocking her. They wouldn't be scared to leave her alive in 5way LyLo because nobody would consider her conftown under these circumstances.In post 2354, Raskolnikov wrote:The case atm from titus is impoetic is scum because titus got no result on her and shannon started attacking titus (before titus revealed). Otherwise titus herself said she'd consider roleblock as the explanation about as likely if not more.
But it is possible titus was roleblocked and shannon took it as opportunity without the explicit target being relevant.
Consider the following:why is titus alive?
If you leave a claimed PR alive you're intending to mislynch them or at least have it as an option. And you follow up on this either directly attacking them or otherwise casting shade.
The pool of people that makes is Shannon, TTTT, ssbm_kyouko and partially drone.
Of all of these shannon's stance on titus hasn't really made sense (d2 wagon) whereas I think I can follow the progression of kyouko and sort of TTTT. Drone did vote titus but his logic was entirely on other things; if you're going to leave someone alive to take issue with you don't attack them for entirely different reasons or even back off in under 3 hours (2168), so I don't think he really qualifies.
Shannon didn't vote titus (shannon's style in general seems to be coming in at the end with the "compromise" vote rather than leading anything though) but cast a ton of shade and focused on the theory and the places that make sense for this. Read 2309. Shannon throughout isn't having an independent drive or views but focuses on public opinion, what "everyone" thinks is a good idea and I believe trying to bring our focus to specific areas where it shouldn't be.
Titus's theory mostly hinges on shannon scum anyways but I think titus being roleblocked and having been a pre-planned target is more likely here.
Rask, have you looked back at the D1 Impoetic wagon or read my case on her? Have a comment on any of that, you're really tunneling shannon as it is. Not that it's not compelling I just think scum!shannon can't avoid being lynched in 5-way and Impoetic is a big fat question mark that we should get rid of sooner rather than later-
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UNVOTE:In post 2395, shannon wrote:I'm reading Drone's posts in the same game and seeing a lot more depth here than there. Drone is a town lean now, if I consider him independently of anything happening with Titus.
In ISOing Drone in our game, though, I want to know how this progression happened, (bold in top post for emphasis of the relevant bit). There's not even a mention of LUV from Drone in between these two posts, besides the intent to hammer.
In post 1954, Drone wrote:Titus/Uzi are not lynchable today for me.(for the clarity; Titus null/towny{ish} - Uzi null/weak scummy
Gerryoat/Rask - Strong town reads.
TTTT/Kyouko - Generally TTTTown leaning
Shannon/Impoetic - Null. I still need more content to sort
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The quote was intentional, I'm waiting for Drone to answer shannon. I'd happily lynch him because he's claimed neighbor with Titus, so if he doesn't flip neighbor, that's game. If he does flip neighbor it basically clears Titus and leaves only a few options for scum. He and LUV are the only players that ditched the rb wagon when rb claimed BP at L-1 (6 votes). Wagon was Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, Lil Uzi Vert. LUV ditched the wagon first, then Drone, but the rest of us stayed on his wagon until lynch. This should be another reason you all can clear Sesq if you haven't already. Unless you think she was hard bussing at a time when 2 others dropped off the wagon and she could have easily gotten of the wagon without drawing much speculation.
I'm also going to attach my old case on Drone for reference.
Also disregard that I was associating him and Kohai(Gerry) together because if Drone's scum it's with Titus unless he flips as a Mafia Neighbor, in which case Titus can be confirmed townIn post 598, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:ok I finished taking my notes like I was trying to do earlier. Brace yourselves
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I think they are together but it also makes a little sense to me for it to be scum!Drone whiteknighting town!Kohai, so I'll be putting my vote on Drone since he's the scum in both cases
VOTE: Drone-
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If he flips Mafia Neighbor there is no reason for the only other player in the neighborhood to be mafia. If he flips town neighbor it's still a possibility that Titus could be mafia neighbor, or she could be Town Universal Backup Neighbor. They've both already confirmed that there is not a third player in their neighborhood so there's no way Titus is mafia if Drone is a Mafia Neighbor (Mod wouldn't make a neighborhood with only scum in a game that has daytalk).-
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We lynched scum D1 so in order to even the odds scum may be tempted to make a risky play like this. It's just WIFOM. "Why would 2 scum claim a neighborhood if they would confirm each other as scum"? Because the fact we ask ourselves that question is enough to deter us from lynching one of them.In post 2409, Impoetic wrote:I don't really see the point in two mafia claiming a neighborhood if they don't have one though? Like, if one got lynched, the other would be confirmed -- so why is that a possibility?
I think it's more likely there is one mafia neighbor and one town neighbor amongst them, rather than both of them being scum fakeclaiming neighborhood-
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We have 2 mls left before 5 way lylo assuming scum kills both nights. One lynch should be one of Titus/Drone to verify neighbor claims. Drone has been scummier than Titus and isn't a claimed PR so it should be him over Titus.
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In post 2464, shadonra wrote:VOTE: shannon
I finished. I could still go for kyouko, too. I can't figure out gerry and TTTT at all. Rask looks town - I really like his case on shannon. Not sure at all what to think of Titus, but if this is her scum play, it's really... inspired. Sesq and Drone seem like town, too.
Titus, why did you start the wagon on me based on a no-result? What do you think of Rask's argument that shannon pushed back pretty much until you revealed who you targeted, and then backed off?
@Others wagoning me:
Why? Especially gerry and TTTT, who have not given motivations.
What points you to Gerry so soon after you said you couldn't figure him or TTTT out? Also you've been scum with TTTT before, do you get scum vibes from him, being a little familiar with his gameIn post 2466, shadonra wrote:
I went back and started rereading day 1 to try to remember why I was scumreading him. I don't see it anymore. I only see more and more reasons to townread him (notably - rb tried to flip the wagon on him a few times). I'm reasonably sure the scumteam is you and Gerry.In post 2465, shannon wrote:Sorry I've not been here much, I fell ill yesterday and posting properly just seemed too hard. I'll be back tonight with a proper response for Rask.
Welcome, Shadonra. I like your entrance.
Can you tell me more about your read on SSBM? Now that you've pointed it out I feel like that's one player who has been at the centre of things but who no-one has really bothered to look at.-
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I think VCA clears Sesq and implicates Drone. Rask seems unlikely to be scum at this point but she's been tunneling shannon. Maybe he thinks he's convinced he's caught scum in her but I'm not sure. If Titus and Drone are truly neighbors they're likely to both be town, no 2 player hoods in archives contain 1 scum and 1 town. If we don't lynch one today and we do lynch town today one should be lynched tomorrow to confirm the other for LyLo. I know I'm lining lynches but I'm pretty sure I'm the NK tonight and I'm not holding out hope for a doc.
Will post some other thoughts in a bit, cooking soon-
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hmm. I'm really getting turned off by all these other wagons we've explored today, specifically shannon's and Impoetic/shadonra's. If we're not lynching Drone I'll still do Titus by deadline but I'd rather check on the validity of the neighborhood claim by lynching the one that doesn't claim to have a JK shot left in them. I believe both players have confirmed that they both started the game in the neighborhood, which means that mafia neighborizer isn't a possibility here. Will go back and check on what they said when I asked them about it, and will look at some timestamps as well to confirm, but pretty sure there's not a neighborizer. Would also lynch Gerry today as a third choice, but not above one of the "neighbors".
People should lynch Drone though, rabbit was pretty towny and if drone flips scum we can always do titus tomorrow. We already lynched a claimed PR once this game, lets not do that again-
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I was happy and wrong to lynch LUV. Titus is still claimed PR and has a chance to block tonight's kill if she's town. If she's scum, It's very likely her partner is Drone and they're faking neighbors. What are you trying to say with that post anyways? That I should ignore the consequences of lynching LUV and go on to mindlessly lynch another PR without considering flips?-
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Okay so I went back and confirmed Drone said there is no neighborizer and also that he is a neighbor, and Titus has claimed neighbor UB. No neighborizer means that if one of them flips town neighbor or town UB neighbor the other should be cleared, unless mod decided to break all traditions and put 1 mafia neighbor and 1 town neighbor in a 2 player hood this game. A 1-shot Mafia Neighborizer wouldn't be unheard of but in that case, if the neighborizer is "normal", it does not change the role flip of the player it neighborizes. This means that one of Titus or Drone would not have "neighbor" in their role pm, and both have claimed to have "neighbor" in their role PM. There is, therefore, no "normal" neighborizer in this game.
Either 0 or 2 of [Titus, Drone] are scum. If it's 0 there are 2 scum outside of them. If someone can convince me of a very plausible team that doesn't include either those 2 I'll vote elsewhere today in good faith that town will lynch one of them tomorrow if we miss scum today.
Another benefit to town: Since either 0 or 2 of them are scum, in the worst case scenario where we lynch one and they flip town, the other will be confirmed town. This means mafia will NK the other one because they're confirmed. This will leave us with 2 scum in [Kyouko, Gerry, TTTT, Sesq, Shannon, Shadonra, Raskolnikov] with a mislynch to spare. Scum can only NK one of Sesq or I in this situation (if we mislynch, again, the worst scenario) so we still end up in 5-way LyLo with 1 very probable town based on rb interactions with myself and Sesq.
P sure there was never a strongman unless it was a mafia JOAT with Ninja, Roleblocker, Strongman. Ninja to counter follower, roleblocker to counter follower and town!JOAT, Strongman to counter BP/JK.-
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