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[Drone]

It's VCA stuff again.
He was the counterwagon to rb if I'm not wrong..

I still doubt VCAs

[Titus]

Gerry is confirmed town practically.

plz explain "confirmed town practically"

Counterwagon to scum, weakass push day before deadline by scum.

Plz explain why you are not voting Shad or SSM.

[Drone]

Cause he might believe that Kyouku can still be saved..?

[Titus]

It's VCA stuff again.
He was the counterwagon to rb if I'm not wrong..

I still doubt VCAs

Grublmes...my vcas in larges I had the scumpool 8 times in a row a year or so ago.

I may not read word choice, but I do read votes well.

VCA is applied social psychology to the situation at hand.

[Drone]

It's delicate stuff I see.
I might study this.

[Titus]

To do an effective VCA, ypu need claims, knowledge of good scum play, detailed vote counts and ideally 1 scum flip not caused by a guilty.

I will explain more in our hood.

[TTTT]

@Titus
Your VCA and set-up spec might be successful in larges
but have you seen that elo thread on Newbie games?


what don't you get about my stances on ssbm and shad?
I will not lynch ssbm
I will lynch shad
I get you're pissed I haven't moved to shad
but maybe that's what's giving me second thoughts

[Titus]

So basically, if I didn't care, you're claiming you'd lynch Shad. Poppycocks.

If you're referring to MD, yeah. Vote analysis is much easier in larges. More data points.

What do you not get about needing to reach a consensus? I will not lynch Gerry.

[TTTT]

Gerry is confirmed town practically.

plz explain "confirmed town practically"

Counterwagon to scum, weakass push day before deadline by scum.

Wait.
You TR gerryBFF for being rb's counterwagon?
plz explain why the way gerryBFF's wagon formed or the composition of that wagon indicate gerryBFF is more likely town than scum.

this is actually really important to me.

[TTTT]

also "weakass push day before deadline by scum"
which day?
a link to shortcut me there would be appreciated, too.

[Titus]

VC 1.01

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Transcend, rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

rb (1)

: ironstove

Transcend (1)

: Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, drealmerz7, Drone, TTTT

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.02

Sesq (3)

: ssbm_Kyouko, Transcend, rb

rb (2)

: ironstove, drealmerz7

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.03

rb (3)

: ironstove, drealmerz7, Transcend

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

shannon (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Drone, TTTT, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Transcend is V/LA until the 26th.

Drone is V/LA until the 26th.

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.05

rb (4)

: ironstove, drealmerz7, Sesq, TTTT

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: rb

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

Drone (1)

: Kohai

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

TTTT (1)

: Drone

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.06

rb (2)

: ironstove, TTTT

TTTT (2)

: Drone, rb

Impoetic (2)

: Kohai, Sesq

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7 (1)

: shannon

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Transcend, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Nooooo my pagetop!

VC 1.08

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, Transcend, ironstove

drealmerz7 (2)

: shannon, Lil Uzi Vert

rb (1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, rb, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

VC 1.09

Impoetic (3)

: Kohai, Transcend, ironstove

drealmerz7 (3)

: shannon, Lil Uzi Vert, rb

rb (1)

: TTTT

TTTT (1)

: Drone

Lil Uzi Vert (1)

: drealmerz7

Sesq (1)

: ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai is V/LA until the 28th.

Look at these wagons. Kohai is Gerry. Impoetic Shad.

Rb jumps on every counter in sheeptastic position BUT Impoetic. Look who is leading Impoetic. Gerry slot.

Today Gerry is a counter to scum and weakass push by SSSM and Shad.

[TTTT]

So basically, if I didn't care, you're claiming you'd lynch Shad. Poppycocks.

I think you could be scum
I think shad could be scum
but probably not together
so yeah, I don't like voting with my scumreads
especially near deadline

[Titus]

So basically, if I didn't care, you're claiming you'd lynch Shad. Poppycocks.

I think you could be scum
I think shad could be scum
but probably not together
so yeah, I don't like voting with my scumreads
especially near deadline

Yeah, this has zilch to do with how forceful I am but that you're still head in sand scumreading me.

[TTTT]

Look at these wagons. Kohai is Gerry. Impoetic Shad.

Rb jumps on every counter in sheeptastic position BUT Impoetic. Look who is leading Impoetic. Gerry slot.

Today Gerry is a counter to scum and weakass push by SSSM and Shad.

this just looks like you are speculating gerryBFF!town based on a flip (Imp/shad) that we don't know yet

there

was

a gerryBFF counterwagon to rb on day1
again, I really want to know why the way gerryBFF's wagon formed or the composition of that wagon indicates gerryBFF is more likely town than scum.

[Titus]

Oh you meant day 1, yeah being the counter to scum is evidence on it's own if you ignore the Impietic is obvious scum. I will grab that wagon.

[Titus]

VC 1.17

rb (3)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7 (1)

: Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

: rb

Transcend (1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

: iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.22

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.23

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, Drone, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb (4)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7 (1)

: Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.27

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove, Titus

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb (5)

: Transcend, drealmerz7, ssbm_Kyouko, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

: rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert, Drone, Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

This is a day 1 scum are powerless to prevent this lynch setup.

The votes are static. Scum wouldn't feel powerless to swing the votes to Gerry if Impoetic was town.

In a bus, scum tend to be in the middle and do nothing to save a buddy. That leans towards SSM and Drone.

[TTTT]

ok. got it.
so 2701 was about gerryBFF being pushed Today
I assumed when you said counterwagon to scum you meant rb.

[Titus]

Well that's a bonus.

Early pushers of rb = clear.
Early pushers of Impeotic are clear.

Ssm drone. Ty vm.

[Titus]

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

[TTTT]

The votes are static. Scum wouldn't feel powerless to swing the votes to Gerry if Impoetic was town.

but I'm dumb and made it overly obvious that the gerry(notBFF at the time) wagon was in part to test the waters
scum ain't dumb and knew they'd be outed if they joined the gerry-wagon
I think

[TTTT]

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

rb wagon was slooow
rb was obvscum and had given up
no busing would be required for that lynch

[Titus]

That's the busser pool there.

Ssm is the busser though.

rb wagon was slooow
rb was obvscum and had given up
no busing would be required for that lynch

Yet, scum need to vote somewhere or not at all.

They don't want to be on the counter. Hence why I was unable to get one.

That leaves lurk, bus, or safeplace.

No scum on Gerry wagon.
Scum shad/Impoetic lurked.
SSM bussed.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

Nowhere near lynching TTTT or Rask. On phone in bed still but getting up soon. Will go back to 1441 or whatever that post was and see what I was speculating. It was probably a vigi theory if it was the thing I wasnt talking about on the morning of D2. Townblock I was referring to was Transcend, d7, me, TTTT from D1. I did say I'd vote shadonra if I was the hammer vote and the wagon composition was good.

Rask, TTTT, Sesq are my TRs. The wagons and pushes on Shannon and shadonra today have given me bad feelings.

Anyone who actually read day 1 would know I wasn't bussing rb
Also enjoying the way I've pointed out to you multiple times that Drone bailed off the rb wagon when it hit L-1 and never came back. He was trying to get other people to buy rb's fakeclaim by leading them by example

[Titus]

I do not at all get the push on ssbm
I TR ssbm based on game-solving attempts and transparency
also all the flipped town TR'd ssbm
I will no-lynch before I lynch ssbm

This shitty play is why TTT is town or scum with SSM. SSM isn't gamesolving, but TTT refusing to vote the counter anyway is pretty fucking obvtown.

Doesn't change the fact "they might not be neighbors" isn't solving and SSM has no SRs by play or that SSM is just flailing to lynch in TTT/Drone/Gerry/Titus/Rask.

Nowhere near lynching TTTT or Rask. On phone in bed still but getting up soon. Will go back to 1441 or whatever that post was and see what I was speculating. It was probably a vigi theory if it was the thing I wasnt talking about on the morning of D2. Townblock I was referring to was Transcend, d7, me, TTTT from D1. I did say I'd vote shadonra if I was the hammer vote and the wagon composition was good.

Rask, TTTT, Sesq are my TRs. The wagons and pushes on Shannon and shadonra today have given me bad feelings.

Anyone who actually read day 1 would know I wasn't bussing rb
Also enjoying the way I've pointed out to you multiple times that Drone bailed off the rb wagon when it hit L-1 and never came back. He was trying to get other people to buy rb's fakeclaim by leading them by example

That's actually more indicative of town Drone. The never getting back on is indicative of consistency. Scum don't want to be the sole unvoter.

You still can bus Impoetic. There is time for that, or you ignore that part of the analysis?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Spoiler: rb wagon

VC 1.16

ironstove (3)

: Kohai, Sesq, TTTT

drealmerz7

(2)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

,

rb

rb

(2)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.17

rb

(3)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

, Sesq

ironstove (2)

: Kohai, TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic, shannon,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Kohai has requested replacement.

VC 1.18

rb

(4)

:

Transcend

,

drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Lil Uzi Vert

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

I ate 14 jam drops yesterday and now I have none. =(

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.19

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

-- L-2!

ironstove (1)

: gerryoat

gerryoat (1)

: TTTT

Sesq (1)

:

rb

Transcend

(1)

: ironstove

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic, shannon, Sesq

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.20

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

,

Lil Uzi Vert

, Sesq

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

ssbm_Kyouko (1)

:

iamafluffyrabbit

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, shannon

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.22

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

Drone

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

VC 1.24

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

drealmerz7

(1)

:

Drone

Transcend (1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.25

rb

(4)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Drone (1)

: gerryoat

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit is V/LA until the 2nd.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.26

rb (5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

iamafluffyrabbit

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

iamafluffyrabbit has requested replacement.

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.28

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (4)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

,

Titus

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.29

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT, ironstove

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (3)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

,

Drone

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.30

rb

(5)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat

-- L-2!

gerryoat (3)

: TTTT, ironstove,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Impoetic is V/LA until the 4th.

VC 1.32

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

TTTT (1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic, Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Someone please bring me coffee. I'll love you forever.

VC 1.33

rb

(6)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove

-- L-1!

gerryoat (2)

: TTTT,

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Does anyone still play Pokemon Sun and/or Moon?

VC 1.34 (FINAL)

rb

(7)

:

Transcend, drealmerz7

,

ssbm_Kyouko

, Sesq, gerryoat, ironstove, TTTT

-- LYNCH!

gerryoat (1)

:

Drone

Lil Uzi Vert

(1)

:

Titus

Transcend

(1)

: shannon

Sesq (1)

:

rb

NOT VOTING (2)

: Impoetic,

Lil Uzi Vert

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-12-10 12:30:00)

Flip incoming.

I've highlighted my and drone's votes in purple so people can compare them for Titus's "bus zone" theory. Also put Titus's votes in yellow to show what she was doing around the time of the rb wagon (iamafluffyrabbit=Titus)

So Titus is saying Drone and I are in the bus zone and has ignored (said she'd come back to it, never did) me previously pointing out that Drone abandoned the rb wagon when it was convenient and never came back. Titus, do you really think that if I were bussing that I would not have gotten off of the rb wagon when LUV and then Drone did? If I were scum bussing him I could have easily gotten off the wagon at that point; 3 unvotes in a row would have stalled his wagon while a counter was brought about. At that point, Gerry had 3 votes and rb had 4. I could have voted Gerry, the cw to rb (the way Drone did, btw), but I didn't. I stuck to rb with Transcend and d7.

Looks pretty believable to me Drone was bussing rb and got cold feet when he thought there was a chance the wagon would dissipate. He also voted d7 when he got off the rb wagon following LUV, and for those who don't remember, LUV's top scumreads were Impoetic and d7 on D1. It seems to me that Drone might have been trying to start a counterwagon that LUV, a town player who had shown a willingness to believe rb's claim, might have gone for. This wagon was also on a player who had been consistently voting rb since early D1.