Mini Normal 1890 - Endgame

[ZZZX]

Yoyoyoyo guys

Your favorite

lurker

player is back again.

Boonskii whats uppp man long time

I will need to read through this game within a few minutes. Lets get the game rolling

Holy too many placements already in 10 pages

Anyway to read I shall go~

[ZZZX]

Pages 1-6:
Mini Normal 1890 Spread la sheet V1
Playerlist:
1. Jaack
NULL

2. Cooperative Sheep
52: Nice post makes sense I guess


3. MagnaofIllusion
41: Too calm. Wayy too calm. But ill leave it as null for now. Still its weird
91: I don't think that the attack for someone hiding his main is really a fruitful idea.
While I dont like what you are going with so far I dont get why people are hating so much on you compared to
uhh.. others?
93: If you did that I'd avoid you in all future games instead
If a player is well known for it enough it can shift the game balance and make the game more interesting. But affecting
current game to check? Not in my fucking game. I'd rather vota ya off at that point to leave you guessing if its true.
97: .. Idk that post was pure null. Explain it otherwise?
120: Defend by redirecting the attack doesnt work that great...
135: I liked the first half of your post yet hated the other half. huh


4. Elena Fisher
73 First post i noticed of urs. U've been a little... passive?


5. BlueBloodedToffee
12: BBT got much nicer in the few months I missed.
In his defence he was always nice but he loves to push me hard as scum (Heh) so I get an agressive vibe when
I am directly playing with him. It is probably some confbais. Anyway I am feeling a genuine post here. Minor added town points
92:




6. Barleycorn Lycanfire
43 :(tf seems like tf) I found this weird because both are newish players so unless they played together alot that wouldnt make sense but the guy freaking replaced out so
I cant ask that. Uhh Null?
53OMGUSSSSS reincarnated minus points
57: Oh god. My favorite argument of the day...
68: Turn around is really.. null I cant see why you would do it as both scum and town (diverting attention vs re-read)
77: Ugh I am not sure what to make of an alt reading an alt without knowing thier mains heh
96: I am happy you are letting stuff out which makes reading you slightly easier. But I will avoid "emotional" posts like those
like the plague. early to misinterpt them.
99: If you "REAALY" want to hide your main just stop talking about it. Trust me.
100: Um Chill. Mate
102: Don't like the answer. Also I have most comments on you than the whole game combined holy shit.
115: Honestly. Since I dont know the situation behind the person I cant judge but.. that was an overreaction wasn't it. But whatever man.


7. Boonskiies
90: Boon man... Why are you so... inactive?
Its so not like you
124: Booon... PLEASE
125: You are not helping. Scum points. You sound too calm and logical while not making any sense. Thats bad buddy.
141: Sigh...


8. mattblackguy
NULL

9. -Grey-
21: Chill bro lol
138: Grey are you a secret alt of mine? Your gameplay is nearly identitcal of mine 1 year back
I cant explain it but i am 80% sure ur town.


10. TheRealGin-N-Tonic ZZZX
THATS ME FOLKS

11. TwoFace
#40:
https://youtu.be/TQwGjhwPEik?t=5s (watch 2s)
Minus points. I dont like this.
#44: Oh I can ask you instead

Have you played with that guy before or anything?

. Last time I got called "ZZZX is ZZZX" is by someone I played for 10+ gamess
oh and my playstyle is uniquely horrid trust me. (In many ways)
76: Interesting, It is coming up with a full cycle
134: Sorry man thats shit logic. Town will always be as scared of being lynched as scum. Anyone acting otherwise is bullshitting as either allignment.


12. cchengshi momo
NULLL
13. keyenpeydee
103: Minor town points for reaching the exact same conclusion I did (Its confbias but I write my readlist out of confbias anyway) so no your analysis are fine hes just that.. confusing



I am tired will continue later

[ZZZX]

I knew that nobody was going to get hammer on page 8 of the game. We were just out of RVS and those votes rarely ever stick. Now though, its a different story.

It happens more oftened than I'd liek to think it does..

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX - oh, hi there! oh, what a game you replaced into. I went crazy. But I think I had some merit, and I stand by it. I'm still Boonie.

Oh so you picked up activity later on. Thats reassuring

[ZZZX]

Same invitiation is extended to Elena / BBT / ZZ / Lycan. I would very much like to hear your thoughts.

You'd have to wait for a day or so

[ZZZX]

Gin / ZZ

My slot was being discussed for lurker kill before I even lurked Fate is funny

[ZZZX]

i have read last 5 pages and first 5 pages, 14 pages to go. Can answer questions within those pages.

[ZZZX]

One thing I am disappointing in is that the guy in my slot had no reads/posts because that'd be a nice thing to have since i'd get reads from a confirmed town slot fmpov

[ZZZX]

@zz - your first 2 comments to me the post numbers link to different games.

What?? let me check

[ZZZX]

#40:
https://youtu.be/TQwGjhwPEik?t=5s (watch 2s)
Minus points. I dont like this.
#44: Oh I can ask you instead Have you played with that guy before or anything?. Last time I got called "ZZZX is ZZZX" is by someone I played for 10+ gamess

@mod if possible to replace the "#44"/"#40" with 44/40 would be nice. If not possible its fine

Fixed links

40:
https://youtu.be/TQwGjhwPEik?t=5s (watch 2s)
Minus points. I dont like this.
44: Oh I can ask you instead Have you played with that guy before or anything?. Last time I got called "ZZZX is ZZZX" is by someone I played for 10+ gamess

[ZZZX]

yes I said that If you look below
":#44: Oh I can ask you instead Have you played with that guy before or anything?. Last time I got called "ZZZX is ZZZX" is by someone I played for 10+ gamess
oh and my playstyle is uniquely horrid trust me. (In many ways)
76: Interesting, It is coming up with a full cycle"

Ijust hate to edit my stuff

Also I felt its fake. That is my gut feeling about that post. Whether its actually fake in reality can't be really confirmed without moving a few years into the future or mindreading.
So I will stick to my gut readings

[ZZZX]

Question @ TwoFace

do you think your playstyle is unique enough to be recognized in an anon game for example?

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX - oh, hi there! oh, what a game you replaced into. I went crazy. But I think I had some merit, and I stand by it. I'm still Boonie.

Oh so you picked up activity later on. Thats reassuring

Yeah, I went crazy. I was just really busy for the beginning of this game.

Am excited to reach that part aint I

If it turns out like I expect it to be then you'd be my town read #1

pedit: I know. I understand. But I had to comment on it for reading purposes. I know you wont take offense for it

[ZZZX]

Oh you were talking about me Lul

[ZZZX]

Question @ TwoFace

do you think your playstyle is unique enough to be recognized in an anon game for example?

I'll say probably no cause I don't play every game exactly the same. There are some similarities of course but those similarities remind me of other players on site.

That post is weird then (of the other guy)

[ZZZX]

It's not weird since I'm not anon.

People who play with me know how I sort of play

I dont think anyone can describe a gameplay by no description unless its a unique or horrid style (like mine)

Anyone who palyed more than 4 or 5 games with me can recognize me instantly within 2 posts in an anon unless I work REALLY hard to change my playstyle

[ZZZX]

Hence my 2nd quote in my sig

[ZZZX]

The Bulge: ZZZX is ZZZX

[ZZZX]

I will catch up on this today because this game needs a freakin leader to push it. holy shit is it inactive lol.

[ZZZX]

Anyway BBT speak to me. Your thoughts about whatever ur caught up with? Speak with me so I can read you.

[ZZZX]

Thats a good start if any. Lets talk and help you build cases for this game. Explain your scum reads on us in a well written case. Even if its a gut feeling try to explain that. Let me see your allignment. You have nothing to lose if you are town do you?

[ZZZX]

Ok bbt. I can understand that even though it's a bad logic I saw it happen every game I don't lurk like hell. I can prove myself as town soon enough but ill be focusing on other aspects later. I will look at the things I missed then give a readlist

[ZZZX]

I've skimmed through the pages really quicky and I think boon is town from meta (and personal experiance).
Not sure about this whole Elena vs Boon it just feels like a huge bunch of bullshit being thrown around on both sides reading it was not good for my health

Anyway I have a test tomorrow so I cant give too much details today. Maybe tomorrow or after? We'll see

[ZZZX]

What is this clownfesta shit I lost half my iq reading this

[ZZZX]

What is this clownfesta shit I lost half my iq reading this

Vote Grey then, he's the one claiming that only scum react to people making up cases on them.
Like...seriously.

I want to do an in-depth reads but I need to finish my test. Ill look at some interesting people like Elena and Jack later. Waiting for bbt to engage enough so I can read him.

[ZZZX]

Yes we are ONLY lynching boon or magna today. Idk why the fuck people aren't voting them but this is happening. There's no arguing about it.

I'm leading this lynch cause I'm dead tonight

I disagree about boon again but Idk about magma

One thing is I will cast my vote when I am ready. And I don't see a chance for that yet

[ZZZX]

Sheep vs grey is bad town vs bad town. It's horrible to read but it boils to jokish claim with an overreaction to another overreaction from the claim. So much bullhorn but I don't see scrum being dumb enough for this bullshitstorm

[ZZZX]

Autocorrect is my friend

[ZZZX]

Let me help you both.
Summarize your case in 250 words or less

Let us be the judges

Stop spamming the thread for fking hell

[ZZZX]

Oh shut the fuck up ZZZX, I've posted several times, including quite fucking recently, why Sheep is Scum.

See this is the problems

You posted too fucking much I am not reading to go puzzle hunting through the bullshit

[ZZZX]

Plus all of you and sheep's case are just knee-jerk reactions and omgus and some random shit

[ZZZX]

You know you are doing something wrong when the whole game thinks you both make no sense. So work on it instead of you are town and want to catch stun instead of causing a shitstorm

[ZZZX]

I'm not unvoting Sheep until it's dead. Period.

you called him scum for something AI. if you are town stop being stupid and vote caught scum in boon

boon is getting lynched today so just stop fighting it.

While I disagree with some of your stuff I thank you for speaking logic into this situation

Like holy fuck man.

Edit: no grey it's not on this page. It's in the last 10 pages of random posts. And if I didn't have to get in a foot in there who knows who will wake up with 7 pages of back and further

@sheep ill read your post after I submit its kinda long for a pedit read

[ZZZX]

So sheep do you have any other case on grey?

Pedit: for Fucks sake

[ZZZX]

I'm not unvoting Sheep until it's dead. Period.

MoI and Boon both did shit that is mind-bendingly bad, and that kind of behavior comes from bad town more than scum an inordinate amount of time.

The reason I'm so dead set on voting Sheep is because they fucked up in a far more subtle manner, overestimating a prod dodge post that had no real heart in it as being a legitimate push and overreacting to it.

If this is the case u spent four pages in pushing then I think you need to stop get a coffee and read this again and ask if it makes sense scum-wise and if it's strong g enough

Assuming you provided no other thing it's pointless to push it further. Go start looking for scrum and stop wasting my time. Shoo

[ZZZX]

Good with lynching Sheep and ZZZX.

Back to prod dodging until town pulls their head out of their ass.

No words. I am sad because you are probably town but your play is to vote anyone who ends up attacking you. Sigh lol

[ZZZX]

Good with lynching Sheep and ZZZX.

Back to prod dodging until town pulls their head out of their ass.

No words. I am sad because you are probably town but your play is to vote anyone who ends up attacking you. Sigh lol

I don't recall you attacking me.

I recall you defending your buddy.

Me saying you both need a solid case is defending my buddy alright. Ill take that.


Didn't know you were my 'buddy' as well


Your confbias is too high I'm starting to doubt stuff

[ZZZX]

@ZZ – what happened to the conclusions from 599? That looks like a huge batch of IIoA given you never solidified down to what all that nice linking work and comments is supposed to mean read wise …

I skimmed the rest and promised an in-depth analysis tomorrow as I have a test

[ZZZX]

Whatever you say man if you can't listen to sense maybe you'd help the town more by lurking if you don't have anything of substance to say. Less shit to dig through

God it's pissing off

[ZZZX]

Half the game is very insistent on thier reads. I can't really tell why. I will give a readlist tomorrow btw I think I am ready enough with information to make one for now.

[ZZZX]

So Luckily I get to keep my slot yay.
I havent read the game in the last day with all the confusion of the ban. will read later!

[ZZZX]

I've caught up. A skim with the readlist with pbpa later (the ban fked my plans up)

Magna is town
Two face is null/town
Lycan slot was already hated by me and lycan while not as horrible looking as his older counterpart still doesn't convince me that the slot is town. Ill explain tomorrow.

Boon is still town

And bbt might be scrum I have never seen town bbt that non caring. Not even trying to enforce his scum read on me and leaving it barely as a passing comment

Mono la null

Key scum lean his presence is just too low.

I'd vote for anyone in the scum lean.

Anyone I didn't mention means I don't remember anything on top of my head for them. Will talk about wm in readlist tonoeeow

[ZZZX]

Oh and coop sheep is town as well

[ZZZX]

I like his posts. I don't see scrum intention behinds them

He is well engaged and he is not using bullshit as logic which scrum tends to use

Plus gut

Edit: yeaaa. Don't like it? Don't care

[ZZZX]

I played so much with boon I can read him without reading the game.

[ZZZX]

Magna and sheep are rather weaker reads

[ZZZX]

He is well engaged and h

Every single vote he's made has used bullshit logic. Try reading carefully please.

I see how he got to that logic. Bullshit logic for me is something made up and the person KNOWS he is making it up

F.e I want to get rid of you as scum I make up a shitty reason to vote you. I don't see him doing the same.

Read the intentions

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX: You think Magna, Boon,

and

sheep are town???????

I answered you already.

Yes to different degrees

[ZZZX]

Well you or me is wrong

I lean towards you being wrong nd

[ZZZX]

I will sleep in 5 minutes btw.

[ZZZX]

I'd vote for anyone in the scum lean.

So from reading your post I assume your “will vote” pool is BBT, Lycan and Keyen. Am I correct?

For now yes

[ZZZX]

So taking reasons that point to a town mindset and implying a scum mindset isn't a bullshit reason?

His vote for me was definitely a bullshit reason also.

Can you rephrase that I didn't get it

And if you want I can reread him tomorrow with a pbpa

Anyway good night

[ZZZX]

So taking reasons that point to a town mindset and implying a scum mindset isn't a bullshit reason?

His vote for me was definitely a bullshit reason also.

Can you rephrase that I didn't get it

And if you want I can reread him tomorrow with a pbpa

Anyway good night

Magna called Momo scum and some of the reasons provided are more likely to come from town. Yet he's saying they make him more likely scum.

Is that not a bull shit reason?

Ill reread that and come back to you then. I have to go to uni now.

[ZZZX]

Apologies I had some real life situation today which distracted me from the game.

I will get promised stuff tomorrow

[ZZZX]

god fucking hell this is such chaos
Should I even finish up my readlist when fucking half of it's members got replaced?

If the deadline runs out I would lynch momo instead of magna. I like magna as town so far.

[ZZZX]

so it won't hurt to make a reads list.

^ Clear Booontowniez post

but yea I will make it but ill be in a more relaxed form. It might help in a lylo/mylo if we get there to decide between two slots I guess.

[ZZZX]

@Eceryone else, why are we Voting MoI? What has he done which is scummy and deserves a D1 lynch?

They are just ignorently sticking to their intial opinion from page 5 or something.

[ZZZX]

@Eceryone else, why are we Voting MoI? What has he done which is scummy and deserves a D1 lynch?

They are just ignorently sticking to their intial opinion from page 5 or something.

What makes them sticking to their opinion ignorant to the rest of the thread? What makes this scummy?

Its not MoI who is sticking to the opinion

everyone else is

[ZZZX]

(opinion of MoI-slot being scum)

[ZZZX]

VOTE: momo

I'd rather momo than boon

Please save boon

[ZZZX]

I'd rather momo than boon

Please save boon

Momo definitely looks more survivalistic, though that's a pretty threadbare tell I'll admit.
Do you have an argument for saving Boon or damning Momo? I consider them pretty equal personally.

I like boon more

I dont think boon is scum

Thats my whole logic there

[ZZZX]

Ugh man... I will keep your last will if you are town (which I am 80%+ sure you are)

Who do you want me to hunt down?

[ZZZX]

Plus it is L-2 right now anyway.

[ZZZX]

you are correct. that's scary for me how easily you are reading me, though.

Have I ever read you wrong so far? Don't think I did (yet)

[ZZZX]

Like Frankly speaking in this current playlist you are the only one who I played quite well with and this game reminds me exactly of the first game we ever had (I forgot which one it was ill look it up) which makes me more sure about it.

Anyhow your response makes me even more sure you are town as you didn't try to make use of my read on you like scum would

Why the fuck are we lynching this..

[ZZZX]

I like boon more

I dont think boon is scum

Thats my whole logic there

I understand the basic premise that you town read one more/scum read the other more.I was hoping for a bit of meat.
Are you just calling it 'gut' basically?

Pedit - I am lynching it because the fakeclaim reads like survival not scum baiting as later claimed and feels like a grab for towncred after being called on a shifty claim rather then a representation of what really happened.

I would call it meta but I know most people hate meta.

To be more simple about it I played quite a few games with boon and he plays like this as town.
If you noticed my early reads I had him as scum until he started contributing more. Because scum boon is usually less... interactive in general. Less likely to take such risks. More likely to be passive so he is one of the easier players to read. He ain't too good at faking commitment

[ZZZX]

Plus I don't see why he would do things he did like the claims as scum. it doesnt make sense from my point of view

[ZZZX]

Last post before I sleep:

I am one of the players who believe no action is really "scummy" but rather the intent is what matters

which makes my reads in most games slightly different. If you want to convince me of boonscum for example you will need to explain why would he do whatever he did as scum and not town. as I dont see any motivation from that side other than shooting self in foot

[ZZZX]

Lmao Aristo you made me laugh out loud

[ZZZX]

Its convienent for me that the counter wagon to a person I am town reading falls within my already discussed lynch pool.

L-2

Vote: Lycan

@boon I can see your point but honestly speaking your playstyle does look scummy to like 80% of the player list of mafiascum so... Can't really scum read people for misreading you

[ZZZX]

Can't blame me man. I haven't played (both in general and with you) for a few months so I didn't see the other games =)

In fact I would say my gameplay style changed as well somewhat but who knows

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Lycan
Sorry

[ZZZX]

All the best Titus!

Also @Mod you forgot the day start PM :`

[ZZZX]

I wana see how fast Titus VCA starts pointing at me again

[ZZZX]

Prodge

I think I have injured my knee or something because Its been a day where I can't move it. Might go to the hospital tomorrow or after tomorrow if it doesnt get any better y/y

[ZZZX]

massive and Aristophanes dodge a prod for now, ZZZX is on replacement watch.

@MOD so am I being replaced ? I am confused.

[ZZZX]

my F2F game nights with BBmolla that the group we play with likes to instantly lynch me Day 1 because nobody likes it when I win as scum. -.- (i usually do win when I am scum.)

It usually ends up with you being lynch bait for the scum.

[ZZZX]

Reading up as I am not replaced (yet!)

[ZZZX]

Caught up. Got a read list which I am willing to explain on request (I am a lazy ass too lazy to type it out in depth atm)
Bold are new readss
Town:

Titus

Confirmed town?
boons
Magna

Lean Town:
Shee.eep

null:
Elena
momo

lean scum:
Massive
-grey-

I dont have any strong scum reads at the moment.

If it comes to it I will vote for anyone null/leanscum. Will not in any case lynch anyone in my town pile

pedit :lol

[ZZZX]

and i forgot to bold the new reads

im dumb

[ZZZX]

zzzx forgot me

well shit.

I think you are null. Just because I cant think of anything about you lol.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX How do you feel about my case on Boon and what were the main reasons you had to tr him (this can go for anyone town reading boon)

my case for TRing him was that he does the mentioned things all the time generally when I sued to play with him and i didnt feel any scum intentions from him. reading on.

[ZZZX]

Bail Elena out from what, exactly?

Bail Elena out from what, exactly?

further pushing. Scum partners get other wagons going without associating themselves with a partner's pressure. Kind of like a change of the subject, and an attempt at putting said pressure at a discredit from the getgo. I know I appreciate the hell out of it when I'm scum and a buddy does that.

I agree with Grey here. Noone needs bailing out from one vote, Especially when you are slightly under a critical situation boon. So... yea

[ZZZX]

Add ZZZX into my scum pile. He’s clearly lurking and I now am writing off the little burst of activity on replace-in as an attempt to skirt his scum meta.

Momo clearly is the best lynch for today. The number of players saying “Oh, I think he’s possibily scum but this other player I am scum reading stronger” is large enough that there is likely a partner in there playing the “FOS Partner, Vote Town” game. Boon and Elena would be the top of my suspect list in that circumstance.

If find it a little confusing that ZZZX and Keyen both forget Aristophanes is in the game in their reads lists, especially for Keyen after he called ZZZX out for not including him on ZZZX’s reads list

I have a period of 24-48 hours where i was completely inactive whole site-wise as I was at the hospital for an injured knee. I wasnt lurking before that and I certainly am not lurking now. Can't someone get an injury for a few days in peace nowadays

[ZZZX]

Well at least that's a little more town-Magna.

ZZZX: I'll bite, why am I scum?

I just found your posts too ... generic. It feels wrong in some sense. But its a temporary read somewhat as you have like what, 10 posts or so?

[ZZZX]

Srs momo boon keyen massive ZZZX

Everyone else is probably town.

Being called a lurker, Check
Titus calling me scum, Check
Lets see then, What do you base your read of me on? Can you give me a case so I can counter it so you can counter my counter so we can have a good chat so I can know your allignment?

[ZZZX]

Actually, third scum is probably ZZZx buddying up to me. His reads list coincides well with it. MOI as a town read, but at the bottom of his town reads, and Elena as null. Would also explain the seemingly forced scum reads of massive and grey.

Less sure of this one than Elena/MOI at this point, though. MOI was straight up wrong and countered himself with his post, and Elena's leaving a lot of info out, repeatedly, and disregarding statements towards her.

Well. I don't get half of the post so I want you to clarify, I can understand you being suspicious of me for town reading you hard when everyone and their brother wants to hang you. I dont get the other half of it. I have always had MoI as a weak/medium town read since the beginning of when I replaced in. And never really liked grey too much. And you can just see from my first post how much i wanted to hang massive's slot.

I am the person who hates bullshitting readlists the most and use it as my best strat to catch mafia. I am not going to bullshit readlists as either alignments when I can just read the freaking game now will I?

Also @Whoever said lurking = mafia meta. I am one person who doesn't have a clear meta (unless I want to use it for something then I can clarify it) but here is one fact: I only lurk if real life is pressuring me to do that.

[ZZZX]

So... Any questions?

[ZZZX]

I have a period of 24-48 hours where i was completely inactive whole site-wise as I was at the hospital for an injured knee. I wasnt lurking before that and I certainly am not lurking now. Can't someone get an injury for a few days in peace nowadays

But it isn't just about a 24-48 hour period ZZZX. It's about your entrance and subsequent followup. You came in and started with a large post where you looked at everyone. You left off in the middle of that analysis and said you would finish out with reads. That followup never occured. Since that point you've been sliding by with minimalist posting.

I'm sorry if you have an injury. Real life does happen. But do you not see why I am getting flashbacks to ZZZX's scums of games past with your play since your replace in?

Well. I got lynched in one game by titus for not providing a read list i promised as town. Shit happens and I can definetly see where you come from since you mostly played with scum-me

[ZZZX]

If you want some links I can provide em.

[ZZZX]

I didnt quite get what you mean titus, Can you rephrase that?

[ZZZX]

I am generally town reading you, ZZZX. Just POE gives doubts. Regardless, I want the others lynched prior.

Yea, I understand that. And that's fine. I'd start doubting my read if you didn't do that.

[ZZZX]

@Mod, he means it should be killed with Titus. It says Titus was lynched.

Yeah! I didn't mean it that way. I'm not a bad person! I should really fix my grammar....

It took me quite a while to get what the hell he meant lol

[ZZZX]

While I am caught Up I think that at this point I need to visit back some key people

Elena for example never really stroke me out for... ANYTHING really. Which is one of the things I hate

Boon can you walk me through your last... idk 10 posts or so because I honestly don't get anything you are saying right now which is worrying me as well. I smell bullshit on ya posts. Please clear it up or dissect it so I can understand what the hell you are saying

Aristo is same as Elena: Basically Non-Existing

Grey... I feel I should re-read this slot as I feel I read it wrong in the begining. But I have no clue atm.


Those are hte people I feel like I need to discuss with/read again/analyse

[ZZZX]

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that I'd....owe 7 cents.

In reply to your previous post of your bullshit = town or something. I take you saying randomish stuff or stuff I don't get as Non-Alignment Indicative . That doesn't change that I want to understand your case. I get half of what you added on about Elena. But honestly speaking doesn't like half of the player list do the same.

Also I don't see that much pressure on Elena that would force her to like you know. Force replace as scum/town/goat/whatever. I take the replace again as NAI

[ZZZX]

zzzx forgot me

also, I think this might have been a slip that they are partners, but I don't want to push off of that. That's just something to notice post game. ZZZx forgetting to put Key in the reads list makes sense if they are partners. Too WIFOM'y, though to make a case out of it.

We never forget

We shall haunt your dreams

We... whatever I am sleepy I just wanted to make a joke here. Reading on

[ZZZX]

Boon... Aristo is third Mason bro.

[ZZZX]

Votecount 2.6

Boonskiies

:

Elena Fisher

: Boonskiies

Keyenpeydee

:

massive

:

momo

: keyenpeydee, Elena Fisher, MagnaofIllusion, Cooperative Sheep, Titus, -Grey-

-Grey-

: massive

Aristophanes

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MagnaofIllusion

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Cooperative Sheep

: momo

ZZZX

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Titus

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Not Voting

: Aristophanes, ZZZX

No Lynch

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Lynch has been achieved.

See. Key and Elena. First two on, and ZZZx there not voting.

Um. Are you scum reading people because they are on the wagon. Or because they are not on the wagon. Or what I am freaking confused now aha

[ZZZX]

I have no reads on Elena, but boon's reason is good so yeah

OK I do townread boon but I still can't read half his posts this game. Can you then tell me what you understood from his posts to prove you are not just trying to make up content right now?

[ZZZX]

Key's

Flailing last two pages

is so..


FAKKKEEEEEEEE

I hate fakes

VOTE: Key

(Yes I am voting him just for that. Plus being one of the slots that I don't find towny)

[ZZZX]

VLA 24 hours in a hacakthon competition

[ZZZX]

How is the VC currently?

[ZZZX]

Since we have time I'd say we should wait for a day or two for the replacement before doing anything? At least thats what I intend to do.

[ZZZX]

Instead let's lynch Grey.

Hmm. Not 100% in for a grey lynch. Can possibly consider it depending on situation

[ZZZX]

I am still repeating my wanting of a key lynch~ Or something

[ZZZX]

@grey well I tried interacting with her well enough but anyhow

I will stand by my last vote and go for VOTE: key

Pretty sure we'll nail the second scum here

[ZZZX]

I had to double check if I'm using correct vote tag lul

[ZZZX]

VOTE: Zzzx

I kept getting the feeling yesterDay that he was trying to derail the Elena wagon. This fit into most of my proposed scum teams as well. :/

I think this is the first time I've ever voted Zz on site.

I mean. If any of the lynches that I opposed that flipped town were scum the same could be said so... I really can't defend myself if the attack is non existent

And nah you voted me before for sure =P

Anyway I have a legit read on key that I explained since a while. Thoughts on it?

[ZZZX]

While I am at L-1 and thats why I'd usually flip out and start defending myself against your wagons... I dont fucking see any sense on it outside of "oh hey talked with elena once" or some shit like that. Reminds me of a few mafia games I might link if I don't get lazy.

at least 1 scum in the 3 voting me right now. You know where to vote people after im dead. Not expecting to survive when I hit L-1 without any case because that means scum are control of the votes

[ZZZX]

This is the start of his attempt to shift attention to Key.

Correction: I wanted to give rope to key slot since D1

[ZZZX]

This is in response to Boonskiies' 1782. [1]Is a soft defense of Elena - it translates to "you can't scumread Elena for this when other players do it too!" Which I haven't checked the veracity of but can. [2] is just factually incorrect, Elena was at L-2 at this time, and is again defending a Elena.

I breathed! I must have soft defended Elena because of it!

[ZZZX]

Next thing you know if boon flips scum ill be lynched for soft defending boon. Because I defended half the playlist for being my town reads it means that you guys can make up shit and attack me for it. Lmao

[ZZZX]

I've listed out most of Key's posting already. There was no flailing, just a tunnel on a scum slot.

It was not about the action

Its fake.

He was faking the tunnel on elena

He wants you to believe he is hitting scum. Did you seriously read that as a real tunnel?

[ZZZX]

Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)


Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

[ZZZX]

While I can't remeber what that is. But in any case I know that this same scenario have played over 15 times in this site. Driven by scum all teh time. Hell I probably can find 3 games with the exact same scenario 100%

[ZZZX]

The question you should be asking, Sheep, is if ZZZX isn't scum why didn't he get hammered for the win at L-1?

because one scum is already on me and the second scum -key- wasn't on?

[ZZZX]

Also as boon said, its 7p right now

[ZZZX]

Also, I checked, and I didn't mess up my role pm, so I am indeed town.

I think the Human hates us and put together a chaotic playerlist, and gave everyone but Elena in this game a Town Role PM just to fuck with us.

(Despite all the fuckery that went on in this game, I feel this became a rather enjoyable and solid late game.)

Wouldn't wana do that in a normal haha

also i read the huge ass tower of a post. Damn thats big. I read all bazillion lines of it.

anyhow one of the things i disagree with you in key's flailing being town. It totally felt fake as I discussed prior. plus the other things I've wrote a billion times .

-Also idk man. Even though my town read on papa zito isnt really that solid (he has like what, 20 posts or something?) i'd still hope you can reconsider key and trust me on that one. Can you?

[ZZZX]

Nah, I'm only voting ZZZX or massive today.

[ZZZX]

PZ's bringing up the 4-2 seems more unlikely as scum than town, but it's really NAI. I'm wondering who he forgot was in the game.

I was going off the OP. Which you'll note has been updated.

I can't really answer for whatever MoI was doing, I'm not that guy. What I can say is that based on interactions it's super clear to me that ZZZX is scum, so I see no reason why I shouldn't vote him. I'm trying to rally people onto the wagon because that's what you do when you're convinced you've caught someone, so yes I am indeed trying to get other people to vote ZZZX. I'm not being at all subtle about it.

The rest of your post is a bunch of goofy conjecture. I think you'd seriously benefit from some Occam's Razor.

I can see a vague reason with a vague appliance to get a vague lynch on me. with a non-vague execution

doesn't make it anyless incorrect or shitty reasoning though

[ZZZX]

if the idea is that elena barely interacted with me it can be really hard to really judge. Like if we were scum I don't get why would I just be the only person elena ignores for example. And I don't get why the half-ignoring happens from one-side only. As boon said I have mentioned her quite a few times. And I myself forgot to talk to/interact with some other people. This logic is clearly just bullshit for now.

[ZZZX]

Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)


Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

This doesn't come from scum.

Yes it does.

You know what else comes from scum?

Breathing

Scum breaths

Does the thing above sound so dumb?

Because it sounds more logical than your posts recently grey...

[ZZZX]

tl;dr - Yes I'm trying to rally the town to a ZZZX lynch. Yes I think he's clearly scum enough to vote in a mylo even if the OP was wrong and this isn't actually mylo. No nothing in my post history shows me actually trying to help Cloudkicker, please take your meds.

I cant grammar this one. Also i believe you voted me when you believed the "mylo" so you are more guilty of whatever... this is saying

or does your perspective make you innocent by default so we are supposed to believe that?...

[ZZZX]

Look man Zito. I am not a really good scum hunter and wouldn't pretend to be however there is ONE thing that ticks me off more than anything

That is people using Bullshit.

It happened in Team Mafia, It happened many many times

You use bullshit, You die. If you want to attack someone for a reason try to make sure that:

1- Its valid and is readable
2- Its not bullshit
3- You didn't do the same exact thing before me
4- Its not bullshit

You failed in all 4.

I will not vote you yet because I want to see everyone's thoughts and because its quite a bit early. But I am leaning to believe in Boon's reads for a Key/Zito team.

[ZZZX]

That wasn't an attack, that was a response to Boonskiies Dam Of Nonsense breaking and Sheep deciding that why yes we should take it very seriously since there were Many Words.

If anyone can see ZZZX as town with that kind of reactionary post + things mentioned prior I can't really help you.

Your response was an attack clearly. Don't use more bullshit

also if you want to use this execuse. Read Team Mafia

Scum tried the use bullshit to lynch me

Scum lost.

[ZZZX]

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I won't lie man. I am very conflicted on you

for one I really liked your entrance even when you attacked me because if felt slightly honest. But really hated your last few posts becuase they felt bullshitty.

Plus there is the issue of boon wanting your head.

Idk what to do by now haa

[ZZZX]

Here is the thing Zito. The bullshit isn't about the read. Its about the reasoning for it. Half of it doesn't make sense to me.

How about this. Make a post in simple english of why I am scum, Sounds easy enough?

[ZZZX]

I don't really have anything else to add at this point. I can answer questions if anyone has any. But in general am still conflicted on key v PZ..

If within a few days none goes on with key I will trust boon's judgement and go on PZ.

[ZZZX]

Woo Boon's Wifom gambits

Me Gusta

[ZZZX]

Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.

It can be. But at times It can be the confidence that helps pin down scum

[ZZZX]

I'm re-reading keyenpeydee and got to the point where Twoface outs the masons and the immediate reaction. This is just another example of Grey pushing a non-town agenda (following Boon catching the "scum slip" on 1042, begging MOI to walk him out of reasonable explanation of masons in 1048), and another reaction from Magna that doesn't seem scum-fueled (1050)

Is that confirmation bias? Can someone else re-read that segment?

Can you reword that? I don't get what you mean..

[ZZZX]

Like. I am willing to compromise somewhat but honestly speaking I am still more into key and would rather stay there..

[ZZZX]

Well. Let's wait for the mod so we can end this game already =P

[ZZZX]

Mod give me gameday start pms =(

Also grey, might be better to hold off your vote. Even though I do find it interesting scrum didn't jump on the chance which might mean zito might be scum.

That of that they are sleeping haha

[ZZZX]

Like, your first sentence complained about not getting a start of day PM. To explain why you weren't here. Yet somehow my not getting instahammered probably means I'm scum, instead of, you know, scum also not getting a damn PM either.

I hope there's a dead thread and I hope they're screaming hate rn.

I mean, The only person not to post is Sheep, and I know I am town which means that unless either you or grey is scum there is no way for this game to make sense..

[ZZZX]

I know the math is hard but lemme help you out.

I need 3 votes to get lynched.

You've placed one.

massive said hello

I'm not self voting

Do you see the problem with this line of thought

You forgot my existence.

If you were town and grey is town there is no way this game has not ended

If you are town and grey is scum its a possibility game theory wise

The opposite also applies.

Can you help me see whats wrong in that?

[ZZZX]

By now everyone has posted and scum would have quick hammered by now if it was town zito and grey (Unless you are telling me scum couldn't make up time to put TWO POSTS IN A ROW in over 4 days by now.)

I am leaning towards Zito again, No real reason other than I find Grey better

[ZZZX]

Fuck none is doing anything

Fuck it

Intent to vote Zito (and that would probably lead to a lynch)

[ZZZX]

getting frustrated eh

Yes, With scum watching nothing happening. And none doing anything.

[ZZZX]

Well for me at least, the game has become pretty clear. You and Grey obviously share the same agenda which is "lynch Zito" and not "find scums." And now that plenty of time has passed and I've not been hammered it's extremely obvious that Grey is scum here. So I'm ready to lynch him whenever.

I appreciate you want to double down on the plan tho.

I mean, Sell me your case here may you?

Its kind of confirmed either you or grey is scum, Its a no brainer right now. Thus you both should be talking to me massive and sheep about it. Whats going on right now? Nothing.

[ZZZX]

Fuck it, I will bite.
VOTE: Zito

[ZZZX]

I mean I shouldn't have to post that really. The idea that because someone was right once makes them automatically right a second time is patently ridiculous. Anyone who's actually played this game knows this and to be quite honest I'm a bit insulted this is the route you've chosen to go to get me lynched. I'd like to think I merit a better argument than something so utterly stupid.

Well there are two routes here honestly

Either you are scum and he is town, And by that logic his argument... shouldnt really matter to you

Or you are town and he is scum

And then you would know that he is using it as an excuse to lynch you

Eitherway I don't see why you would feel THAT bad about it. Its not a great argument. And only reason I am voting you is because you are scummier than him basically

[ZZZX]

You keep saying that but you've yet to actually say why.

Anyway yes I know he's using that as the flimsiest of excuses, duh. I need the other two townies to vote him if we have any hope of getting to tomorrow so I'm kinda stuck having to point out how dumb it is. Any other phase of the game and I wouldn't even bother commenting on it.

UNVOTE:

I will wait on it. No point in rushing things

But for fucks sake ..

Sheep and massive come do something

[ZZZX]

massive vote just screams scum on so many levels god. lol
Idk man this game is annoying af

[ZZZX]

I mean.. I can do that. Since I am pretty sure scum is massive + zito. A massive lynch works

[ZZZX]

I will bet the game on that then
VOTE: Massive

[ZZZX]

Boon I'm so sorry ~

You talked about how you ain't trusting me again literally broke me inside haha

[ZZZX]

Haha, I felt it would. I was figuring it out near the end of the day, and I was kind of stuck with how far I went to making a case on Zito.

Honestly I did dig myself a hole by defending elena there, Had to get out of it somehow

[ZZZX]

Also, would just like to announce that my Large Normal, a game in my BooneyToonz series, will be going into signups shortly if anyone would like to /in for that. It has already passed review for Normalcy and Balance. I think my pre-in list is full, a few of you are even on it. It's going to have a cryptid theme with admittedly horrible flavor story, what you would expect coming from me! Thanks everyone!

I had a lot of fun with this game, and I didn't think I would look back at this game with the Friends and Enemies setup fondly. I've never played that in a closed setup. Thanks for sticking with us, Human! I know it must have been rough, especially early game. I think you did a great job handling everything!

Kinda knew what setup it is after we saw mason's flipping left and right and we had no PRs

[ZZZX]

It was a fun game,