Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

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vote: conmanmike

for being a degenerate drunk.

Although DRK is obv scum

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Imp, rvs target =\= lynch target.

@drk, 3rd vote always scum.

Don't like boo's soft mason claim.

Booskins is the best wagon right now. More pressure would be god. Although a lot of people will probably try to get onto the cmm wagon for no reason. Lets wait and see for a little bit.

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Imp, rvs target =\= lynch target.

@drk, 3rd vote always scum.

Don't like boo's soft mason claim.

Booskins is the best wagon right now. More pressure would be god. Although a lot of people will probably try to get onto the cmm wagon for no reason. Lets wait and see for a little bit.

he didn't soft mason, we are lovers.

cmm wagon is good wagon. vote cmm now!

the page 3 fucking dumb claim. Awesome dude. Now with the hypothetical doc we have 1/2 chance of two deaths (assuming they kill one of you) as opposed to the 1/6 chance of two deaths + the 9/12 chance of one. Someone good at game theory do this calculation for me, I'm bad at math. But my gut says this was wrong, particularlly asuming that the scum could wisely choose to not kill one of you and thus secure a free kill. And if you just fake claimed, I will murder you with fire. LAL ftw.

So we know at least one of the roles now: VI goes to eddie this game.

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seriously, why the hell would you claim that?

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now the question is does that useless effort post get town cred or is it scum trying to play king

could be either, lynch me to find out.

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Eddie can be dumb town.

An accurate statement, thus why I did not vote him.

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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _All_Liars
then.

Because I'm not a degenerate who claims lover on page 3 even out of a joke.

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I have no issues with LaL, but it has to be an actual lie and not a joke. That was clearly a joke imo

I don't have a sense of humor.

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I have no issues with LaL, but it has to be an actual lie and not a joke. That was clearly a joke imo

I don't have a sense of humor.

Yet you have made posts in games you later said was a joke...

meta is bullshit and correlates with bad lynches.

oh man that cmm wagon is pretty slick

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VOTE: CMM

it is, but we don't have many cmm posts to go off of, need him to post more.

Why do people insist on making town lists ?? What value is in it??

there isn't any. It just gives scum good nk targets.

no clue, read lists are stupid and should never be done

scum lists aree somewhat useful in later days, not d1 and certainly not this early into d1.

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

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I mean, part of that advocacy is to prevent degenerate bullshit, so it seems applicable. Also the "it was a joke defense" is old as the hills.

after some contemplation, I think a drk vote will do well for setting on the fence for a good wagon.

VOTE: deathrowkitty

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I really like Desully he is COLD AND LOGICAL

I am going to buddy him a bit

so i can turn on him more easily when I have enough evidence to decide that he's the remaining scum.

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just odd that you said you would buddy someone and then say that you would change wagons to the next person who votes for someone other than you.

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have you seen cooldog's play before

meta is bullshit.

What about him saying he doesn't have a sense of humor yet when you search past games you find examples of him saying things he said was a joke.

Somebody who makes jokes should have totally seen that claim as a joke

I would fucking love for you to make this a mainstay argument for my wagon. I will be laughing my ass off in the dead thread.

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have you seen cooldog's play before

it's not even meta it's literally acknowledging the fact that different people are differently likely to be able to detect a joke jesus christ

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cooldog. why should I change my vote in 10 words or less

Voting for a town player bad? I mean, given the options, I am not the worst vote in this game if we are being honest.

v/la for 2.5 days (have to go to bullshit conference)

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On one hand sheeps are bad generally speaking, on the other hand, I think that super may be right insofar as it is unlikely that a blatantly self aware sheep would be scum. Especially this early.

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happy with my current vote, not much else to say. no real strong scum vibes from the stuff I have recently seen.

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I mean, the only argument you have presented recently is, "this post is bad", and "let's wagon", so no, I have no response other than simple disagreement.

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i iso'd u, and that's literally all that came up.

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Somebody who makes jokes should have totally seen that claim as a joke

...sometimes people miss things?

in particular i feel like cooldog is the kind of person who'd possibly take something like that literally. This isn't from scanning random games, this is from having seen him post on ms for years in discussion forums. And i certainly don't think he'd lie as scum about thinking that it was legitimate when he knew it was a joke. it's mostly moot anyway. it's not a strong read.

Do you think he's scum lying about having thought it was serious? What is the scum motivation for lying about something so arbitrary when everyone else would obviously know it's a joke?

scum motivation is a free large content post. he got to type a wall early in the game and 'contribute' to town

seriously. what it allows him to do is make a case and appear to be contributing to town. he didn't actually take it seriously, no competent player would ever take that seriously IMO, and he doesn't expect to be sheeped on it. it let's him push an unrealistic bad angle hard and "genuinely" and get off from it scrape free. it also excuses him from having to take actual stances. this is scum, fucking lynch it.

early in the game you have to start the scum hunting off from somewhere, and what motivation is there to make a joke lover claim on page 3? I don't understand you point.

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you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

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you started attacking him "softing masons", which again, was an obvious joke. I returned with another joke. There's no town or scum motivation to claiming lovers page 3, there is however scum motivation in attacking it as I've explained.

Agree

cool, whatever, lynch me.

This is bad play. Not.AI, just bad play.
CoolDog u r not gonna get lynched anytime soon.

The game has been rely dead recently, and apathy is the mother of Defeat.

@whemeatar why Desully?

my point is that if this is the bar that the town sets for a lynch, then they should go ahead an lynch me for it. Meaning, if people are going to push for this type of lynch I think the rest of the town will get a pretty clear picture of the fabricated scum case on me. However, I agree, I'm probably not going to get lynched on this. It really is quite the flimsy case of: "he misred page 3 joke, got out of rvs on it, thus lynch him". And this is quite degenerate.

ALso, obviously imp is making a mountain out of a mole-hill, but I'm not sure that it is scummy. I'm still happy with my drk vote.

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And make me respond to your bullshit. If that is enough to lynch me on it then do it. also, the claim is not that I got us out of rvs, but that I got myself out of rvs with that vote/argument... don't be silly. I'm pretty sure I have responded enough for you to arbitrate upon if this case is a valid reason to lynch me or not, I'm not going to continue to talk about some scum tell you found on page 3 till the end of the day.

I could vote for you, but it depends on how long you are going to tunnel vision me. Right now I have you down as misguided town/null who thinks they struck gold when they haven't. Not worthy of my vote atm. Two face is more of a sheep, I want to see what happens when this wagon inevitably breaks down. If he follows and doesn't give much content to the next pop wagon he hops onto, then I would probably consider voting for him.

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Yes, I was probably a bit hasty in the first post, and I admit the contradiction. I think that people who vote to lynch me off of this case probably deserve some scum points. However, I can see how making this case could come from scum or town. SO yeah, you got me, I'll admit it. Still not going to vote you (depends on how far you take this tunnel), still need more info to decide on two face, still happy with my drk vote.

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horror's vote is good, let's wait for the vote-prodded response.

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^meant that at eddie, my bad. Mind has been off today... too much reading.

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VOTE: whemestar
Content less posts. No meaningful justification for vote. Rears head only when voted.

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Dats how I play.

Take your vote off me scum.

no

I realize from past games that scum are usually the ones to lead the mislynch on me. Don't do it this game please and thanks

meta is bullshit

Why am I the only one voting Desully. If someone votes him with me it will make me happy

because it is a bad vote.

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The site meta for shitposters is more than a little annoying, because it's almost impossible to read them either way. It's the only time I will ever call for a PL - you're either going to be productive to town and make good quality posts, or you're going to be lynched.

don't necessarily like this, seems like going for an easy lynch.

Says the one who's posts aren't quality posts at all lol. More like scum trying to push a mislynch by calling it a "policy lynch". It won't work so stop trying.

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VOTE: havingfitz

I'll sheep u implosion

But this is actually horrible because not only does wheme come out to play right after he only gets two votes on him, but he also shifts his vote and trys to get a buddy with the sheep comment. My vote stays.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've said meta is bullshit in nearly every game I play and I stand by it.

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I mean, the reason for your initial vote was the nebulous, "I don't like his posts" and your reason for the second vote is a blatant sheep.

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@CoolDog
Do you think your wagon is mainly misguided towny or deliberately a scum push?

Pedit what am i looking at?

I think it could be some of both. I think that, for example, eddie legitimately thinks that I am scum, I think he just tunneled too hard. I think fitz might be a sheep that could go either way, especially considering that his latest post looks good. Two face seems to just be a parrot along for the ride, and thus he would be the person I would peg as most likely to be scum on my wagon.

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oh man that cmm wagon is pretty slick
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Vote: CMM

it is, but we don't have many cmm posts to go off of, need him to post more.
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Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes
Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

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CoolDog why do you think CMM needs to be defended from votes if you're the one who voted him first???

how high are you? Seriously? There is a difference between saying he isn't scum and I need more information to tell

if my rvs vote

is actually on scum. Go back and read my reason for voting cmm, and it will all make sense... nice try, please come again.

@desully's 300, If the case is legitimate enough to lynch me then so be it, this is just a statement of fact. I fail to see how making a descriptively true statement nails me down as scum.

The CoolFog wagon is being pushed by a players who are using rhetoric rather than logic or keeping an open mind.

I can't speak for others on the wagon, but I am most definitely using logic. Logic tells me that nothing from CD seems genuine or what I would expect from a townie

I fail to see anything beyond a mere intuition or feeling in this post. No logic to be seen.

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

His first couple posts were just RVS nonsense. What did you "really" not like about them?

And what rough spot? All the votes (zero) he got?

Too all of you saying I'm sheeping to get a buddy.

This is why I'm voting Havingfitz. Him being scum and me being town makes him want to ask those exact two questions

and I agree with this point (to a certain extent) but you are not producing any content what so ever. You seem to be okay with any lynch that has a realistic chance of happening, thus the vote. At least fitz has some reasoning for his votes.

Yes, I was probably a bit hasty in the first post, and I admit the contradiction. I think that people who vote to lynch me off of this case probably deserve some scum points. However, I can see how making this case could come from scum or town. SO yeah, you got me, I'll admit it.

Still not going to vote you (depends on how far you take this tunnel),

still need more info to decide on two face, still happy with my drk vote.

see, how I interpret this is "unvote me or I'll start pushing your lynch". aka, you'll town read me as long as I unvote you. am I misunderstanding? if so, what did you mean by that?

No, it is that if you only make posts about me I will vote you. Where you vote actually lies does not matter. Tunnel vision bad, and an easy way for scum to make posts that look townie.

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I can't wait to see your reaction on my flip. Will be fucking gold.

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VOTE: whemestar
Content less posts. No meaningful justification for vote. Rears head only when voted.

good job, the person who wants people to read only read the first sentence. Most excellent sir, have your i can readz certificate:

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You cant prove that he lied tho

You can only assume

this, 100% this.

twoface has hit fools gold, not "ai" because I legitimately think he believes his read on me.

wheme is flailing, and it makes me more secure in my vote. Anyone wanna argue this point?

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the current argument on me is not that I lied and thus lynch me, it is that my "lies" are scum motivated.

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I'm hungover as fuck, so I won't post until maybe later today. My brain doesn't work, but I see that I have catching up to do, which will be done at a latter time once some form of rationality returns.

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the current argument on me is not that I lied and thus lynch me, it is that my "lies" are scum motivated.

Did you "lie"?

I personally don't think I did. However, I can see why people would see it that way.

Fruit vendor

Id have to research

Why claim though?

exactly my point about wheme. I don't see a town village idiot here, I see scum trying not to get lynched and attempting to get wagons started for the only reason of getting to a lynch that isn't him.

But to answer your question wheme. People who think you are scum aren't going to believe your role until it can be confirmed. Assuming it gets confirmed.

fruit vendor also just opens up a cluster fuck load of wifom... but generally if confirmed it is more likely to be town rather than scum.

I think you, like several others, have been tunneling on CD all day.

Your vote appears to have justification to it, but I don't agree with the case, and I think confbias has been coming into play because it's as if every single one of his posts have some sort of scumslip/tell in it.

nods, this is a true understanding of the wagon on me.

I'm not convinced on the TownWheme.

Same. I do not see town motivation for claiming a weak ass role so early. Especially considering the fact that it could easily be a scum role as well. Confirming it will not necessarily be alignment indicative. With that said, I tend to think that there is a strong possibility of him telling the truth about the roll, especially considering the fact that we will receive fruit from him. The question I'm asking is should we wait for d2 to get the confirmation of this, or will it really give us that much information.

we should decide who he gives it to, tbh.

what, no, very fucking bad. Scum gets kill, duh. Also any sort of roll that scum may have to prevent it will be used that night. So very bad. Scum points for this suggestion. Scum have an inherent motivation to get the information of where the fruit goes...

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also, writing a paper today, so I will probably be around later during writing breaks

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I devoted yesterday to writing a paper, so I did not have time to post. I will catch up this evening

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110% sorry for flaking on this. Was not my intent at all. Ran into some life issies thay rendered me internetless and couch surfing for a week or two. I'll be getting my shit back in order in 2 days, but again, really sorry, but shit was not under my control.