Mini Normal 1897: Chocolate Mafia - Game Over

[TwoFace]

Hey TB. Who we power lynching?

[TwoFace]

Well that's stupid. I thought we were going to be a power couple

[TwoFace]

VOTE: arona

[TwoFace]

TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

That's stupid

[TwoFace]

More TB votes pls

I'd vote you over him based on what's happened so far

[TwoFace]

I'm runner and you're glue. Anything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you

[TwoFace]

Rubber. Stupid auto correct

[TwoFace]

hope ur marathon goes well

Thanks but that's not til the fall. How did you know?

[TwoFace]

DS im town dw, lets lynch scum together i think ur town because ur jovial attitude and internal humour is reflective of town mentality

"Dw" please clarify

your avatar is broken

Probably means "don't worry"

[TwoFace]

I said I was a runner...

[TwoFace]

Scum claiming Miller day1 happen, rare but happen.

[TwoFace]

Damn now I want some cake

[TwoFace]

Not even talking about that. Just a quick google search led me to a game from 2009 where kubla khan did it in his first post. If I had the cares,I could probably find something more recent but I don't.

I'd rather pretend the claim never happened and judge him based how he actually plays. If he looks like scum, I'll lynch him. If he doesn't, I won't.

[TwoFace]

And don't remind me of that game. A shit storm of the holidays and a good player having one of their worst games ever basically screwed me with no hope of recover. Even the best scum player couldn't have gotten out of that with a win.

[TwoFace]

Meh, he stays in the null column for me

[TwoFace]

Ok instead of cake, I'll just go to bed. Deuces

[TwoFace]

VOTE: transcend

[TwoFace]

where does it say there's a miller?

somebody has claimed miller

[TwoFace]

Hey guys I'm a miller

VOTE: aronagrundy

[TwoFace]

so you don't believe him? cause if he is miller, proper play IS to claim in their first post

[TwoFace]

I actually don't have reasons to scum read anyone, because as you should already know, being stupid isn't AI.

[TwoFace]

More TB votes pls

I'd vote you over him based on what's happened so far

This very clearly shows a read. It's not RVS.

no it doesn't actually. learn to play scrub

[TwoFace]

Nothing Transcend is doing is alignment indicative. He's clearly trolling to anyone bothering to read the thread.

btw I disagree with this, but unfortunately I can't go into details because it will either A. out my main or B. violate ongoing rules.

Quote fixed. -BV

[TwoFace]

@mod, can you add the ] to the above post so the quote shows properly? Thanks

[TwoFace]

nah, twoface is an alt

[TwoFace]

yes, how did you guess?

[TwoFace]

just saying that if rb ends up being town, hap is probably scum

[TwoFace]

Did not know that. Who's your main? RadiantC? /joke

Would explain the Boon vs 2F arguments. RC is the person I've argued with the most on site.

Play better and I won't have to argue

[TwoFace]

I think he's scum faking a post restriction

[TwoFace]

I mean that's basically implied with my vote and my disagreement with you. i guess people are losing the ability to come to logical conclusion these days.

[TwoFace]

Well every time I've seen one on site, the person was scum.

[TwoFace]

Btw y'all do fake post restrictions weird. I'm the master of fake restrictions

[TwoFace]

My only issue is that why would scum fake a post restriction in a normal. I could see it as scum overseeing that rule, and just going for it.

I think they think that they will somehow be able to coast without having to contribute but it never works that way.

[TwoFace]

Yeah let's lynch Transcend

[TwoFace]

the fact transcend is l-1 already means he's probably town

He wasn't and it absolutely doesn't mean that.

He needs rope

[TwoFace]

I've literally seen that scenario but it was a legit claim.

I don't but whatever it is he's selling cause if you're a PR you don't play like that.

Also lol at desperado talk. I put that into my game cause it almost never gets used despite people fake claiming it a lot

[TwoFace]

Sure

But if town knows what's good they should unvote

I'll give full thoughts after work

I know what's good. Faking a post restriction isn't good. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say now you've been caught deceiving town?

[TwoFace]

You've also seen it when it wasn't legit-- remember Dunnstral in Space Mafia?

Yes I remember

[TwoFace]

That was my most favorite game and role of all time

[TwoFace]

TwoFace why do you think transcend faking a post restriction (in a normal game) was scummy

What's up with people on this site asking questions that have already been answered?

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[TwoFace]

@twoface

Eh I've never considered faking post restrictions part of any accepted scum meta so I think it's a little dangerous to use that logic

Well if he's town he has to convince me by his actions. Right now though he's a player who's intentionally tried to deceive me and the rest of town and there is no town motivation for it

[TwoFace]

Mostly. If somebody is going to jokingly fake claim a day vig or something obviously not, but a lie designed to intentionally deceive people absolutely.

Town doesn't need to deceive, thats scum's job

[TwoFace]

sounds pretty crazy to me tbh. Why would scum willingly sacrifice a member for an easy nk, which doesn't even take into account the possibility of a protective role. That would be a terrible move for scum

Sacrifice a goon for a pr is a win for scum any day of the week. This is like chess. Sacrifice the pawn for the queen or king.

[TwoFace]

Sacrifice a goon for a pr is a win for scum any day of the week. This is like chess. Sacrifice the pawn for the queen or king.

Also if you get do this WITHOUT getting lynched d1. That's whipped cream and a cherry on top

[TwoFace]

Well let's see how the day progresses but for now he's the top scum read for me

[TwoFace]

[TwoFace]

If you're reading my ISO I'm putting this here to remind you not ever ever ever lynch rb before d4

Unfortunately that's not how the game works and he's not started the game very good.

[TwoFace]

Btw 200+ posts since going to bed? Damn

[TwoFace]

Look townie to me

[TwoFace]

I don't think miller makes sense because that would mean there's a cop, plus a watcher, plus a backup watcher

Hopefully somebody told you how stupid this thought process is.

[TwoFace]

has anyone been in a game with a miller without a cop? like just to fuck with the setup spec?

i agree that cop, watcher AND backup watcher is pretty ridiculous

Took me 3 minutes to find a game with Miller/watcher and no cop

[TwoFace]

yeah. that's flawed. I believed the claim too page 1, and now that I know this is a power rich environment, I believe it even more.

This. Rb's attempt to discredit tb way back at the beginning was bullshit. Scummy as fuck even.

[TwoFace]

More to come when I get to work

[TwoFace]

Ah....as a mod myself who's main route is to push the limits of normal games, I salute you, BV.

Wish i could run games like that under the normal que. I suck at coming up with themed games

[TwoFace]

I AM YOUR KING

<--------- as demonstrated by the avatar

NEW RULE

SS IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED D1. EVEN IF HES SCUM, THERE WILL BE SO MUCH SETUP SPECULATION AND ROLE CLAIMING THAT WILL LEAD UP TO HIS LYNCH.

SO JUST CEASE IT.

VOTE: TwoFace

hop on this

Voting the most townie person in the game isn't going to improve the bad perception people already have of you.

[TwoFace]

shit son. I've basically caught the entire scum team.

[TwoFace]

yeah. that's flawed. I believed the claim too page 1, and now that I know this is a power rich environment, I believe it even more.

This. Rb's attempt to discredit tb way back at the beginning was bullshit. Scummy as fuck even.

What's bullshit about it?

the entire thing. All tb did was say he also believed the claim. You went into a world of speculation that nobody could make reasonably.

Saying he's just appearing to believe it because somebody else did is completely bullshit cause

1. You don't know what he's thinking
2. The claim on the surface seemed believable especially since others also agree it seemed believable

You basically grabbed something that looked easy to attack which is why I called your post dumb.

[TwoFace]

tbh when ur playing a pretty bad game and proclaim urself "the most town player" it's pretty sad to see regardless of alignment. just terrible

Except I'm not playing bad at all. I helped catch scum Transcend. I have a pretty good feeling your scum also and hap makes a trifecta.

Slam dunk

[TwoFace]

Gonna start looking for town players tomorrow, everyone do town stuff while I sleep

I'll help you out. I'm town, Eager is probably town also but stupid, TB probably is.

Oh wait my list is wrong. Hap/RB aren't scum together.

Ugh that means RB is probably town just playing really poorly

[TwoFace]

i'd venture to say rb's the most obvious town this game zzz

Not even close. But you're confirmed scum so you're opinion doesn't matter.

[TwoFace]

Blame my phone. Apple sucks

[TwoFace]

I don't see what's so obvscum about tb still

He's not even close to obv scum. He just looks like an easy target to scum. His posts feel town to me though so he shouldn't have anything to worry about.

[TwoFace]

Like 319 is a terrible post. Why does TB need to mention his meta when agreeing that he believes the claim? He doesn't. Why the fuck does RB think he has to? That's garbage. I'll move RB ahead of hap now based on that.

RB is back in the scum pile. No chance town makes that post, that's scum trying to over justify their bad push

[TwoFace]

Because I don't see miller with watcher and backup watcher

Do we even know there is a watcher in the game? Just cause there is a backup doesn't mean there is a watcher.

There is actual proof that a setup with miler/watcher/no cop can exsist in a game. So watcher/backup watcher/Miller is also a possibility.

If you don't believe it you need something more than "I just don't believe it"

[TwoFace]

You asked me why exactly I don't believe the claim

I told you all my reasoning was in the thread already

This was on like my 6th post or something

Miller + watcher + no cop - viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41311

Now you have evidence that such a setup is possible, what is your thought on the Miller claim now?

[TwoFace]

We have a backup watcher, which means there's probably a watcher.

You can't even assume that.

[TwoFace]

TB's statement seems that he more is just appearing to believe because someone else said they did, when I would have expected him to first ask why the first person believed so I'm asking him why he didn't

That's stupid

also getting around to TF: why's that stupid? a lack of interest in other people's motives and reasoning, with an attitude more focused on people's end conclusions, is how scum play - because people are more likely to think someone is town when they share conclusions than if they don't.

Lack of interest in people's motives and reasoning is how scum play huh?

Show me where you showed interest in his motive or reasoning before attacking him...

Oh wait, you didn't do that. You made an assumption based on literally NOTHING and attempted to discredit him. You didn't even bother to ask him why he believed it which falls into that "lack of interest" thing you were talking about.

So thanks for basically confirming you are scum.

[TwoFace]

it's definitely fair to say probably

Shall I take 5 minutes to find a game where a backup exhausted without a main role? Pretty sure I can find at least one or 2.

You can't assume full watcher with a backup. Basically you can't assume anything

[TwoFace]

Can I pick todays lynch?

No

I want to lynch SS but I would compromise on powerlynching I Am Innocent

and this is why you can't pick the lynch.

[TwoFace]

Just the sheer probability of there being all of those particular roles included together is unlikely

If you want to talk about likelihood, I don't think a backup watcher has ever been included in a Mini Normal before.

You are correct. Backup watcher has never been used. Universal backup has but no backup watcher.

Deputy has been used with no cop before once.

That's basically all I could find on my phone so far.

[TwoFace]

And Last But Not Least I Think That The Other Mafia Is Something Smart Not Of His Posts Are SCummy But I Think That He Cannot Be My Role Given That I'm Miller

Damn just spit Mountain Dew on my screen.

[TwoFace]

i only fos one person that has voted me the entire game (twoface)

Yeah cause fos'ing th person who didn't believe your lie and called you on it and was proven correct deserves fos. Gtfoh

[TwoFace]

And now I'm caught up. Transcend and RB still remain the best lynches for today.

[TwoFace]

Eager seems like a person who would fake claim for no reason, especially if he were town.

If it turns out he's town and fake claimed ill black list him. If he ever retracts his claim this game, he will also be lynched.

[TwoFace]

actually if twoface doesn't cut his shit i'm just gonna replace out and let someone who can handle his insufferable-ness commandeer my slot

What shit am I supposed to cut? Y'all posted like 10'pages while I slept so I'm catching up.

[TwoFace]

And don't be another shitty player who replaces out under suspicion. There should actually be a rule against that

[TwoFace]

actually if twoface doesn't cut his shit i'm just gonna replace out and let someone who can handle his insufferable-ness commandeer my slot

That's ok junior, I have my own ball we can play with. we don't need yours.

p.edit - I honestly don't care who goes first anymore. but if junior wants to go home to watch cartoons instead of finishing the game, we can just let him go first

[TwoFace]

I'd rather pretend the claim never happened and judge him based how he actually plays. If he looks like scum, I'll lynch him. If he doesn't, I won't.

tbh this is how we should be treating SS.

We should not ever advocate lynching him simply because he claimed miller.

[TwoFace]

I think arona is probably town

why?

[TwoFace]

rb is not obv town, especially when he is guilty of doing what he says scum does. his own definition points himelf to being scum for fucks sake

[TwoFace]

transcend didn't actually claim a pr though.

[TwoFace]

you can basically ignore most of it. transcend and rb are caught scum

[TwoFace]

transcend didn't actually claim a pr though.

he did, he just didn't specify what pr

nope, what he did was basically claim something very vague that doesn't even remotely sound like a PR

but that all went out the window when he said Smart can't be miller because he was.

transcend isn't shit other than scum. If he has a pr, it's a scum pr.

confirmed 100% scum as far as i am concerned.

[TwoFace]

you can basically ignore most of it. transcend and rb are caught scum

Does a team of rb/Transcend/Eddie make sense at this point?

I will have to look into eddie, as I have not paid as much attention to his posts

[TwoFace]

I find it much more likely that scum are lurking away while town eats itself alive

how can town be eating itself alive when we have 2 basically confirmed scum caught?

[TwoFace]

Because your logic might not be as sound as you think it is?

why do people always want to do that? just cause we caught scum easily, doesn't mean you have to downplay my logic. I mean even if it isn't as sound as I think it is, chalk it up to scum caught for the wrong reasons.

bottom line is they are scum and anyone who thinks either of them are town, better just save their breath cause you won't be able to convince me to change it without some damn good evidence or a damn good case on somebody else.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: TwoFace

Btw hapa has bad reasons to tr him

not as bad as whatever bullshit reason you have for voting me

[TwoFace]

Well what have u done that was so townie

used my awesome scum hunting prowess and hand delivered 2 scum to everyone to lynch for starters.

1. Transcend went from faking a post restriction to soft claiming some bs pr to retracting that and cc'ing the miller and then retracting that also.
2. rb made a weird assumption based on tb agreeing with somebody else, rb told me that that scum isn't going to be interested in people's motives or reasoning yet I provided a prime example of rb not caring about tb's motive or reasoning and just jumped in and attacked him. If he were town, a simple question would have gone a long way but rb didn't want to do that. He seemed to just want to attack an easy target, and trust me tb is an easy target (no offense tb)

I also went out and did what you were too lazy to do and actually research the possibility of a miller without a cop or a backup without the main role. like if you are town and seriously outted your role because you were too lazy to do some research first, you deserve far worse than what i have already said to you.

now if you are town, put on your big boy pants and get over that i bruised your sensitive ego and vote one of transcend or rb as they are caught scum.

[TwoFace]

Because your logic might not be as sound as you think it is?

why do people always want to do that? just cause we caught scum easily, doesn't mean you have to downplay my logic. I mean even if it isn't as sound as I think it is, chalk it up to scum caught for the wrong reasons.

bottom line is they are scum and anyone who thinks either of them are town, better just save their breath cause you won't be able to convince me to change it without some damn good evidence or a damn good case on somebody else.

I just don't "get" the reasoning on Transcend. Why does a soft-claim make someone mafia? Again, you're hinting at a lot of other reasons here (out of game) that don't really help me.

Also with the RB stuff, I see townies being super hypocritical all the time, and I don't understand why it's confirmed mafia as opposed to confirmed dumb.

I really hope you aren't town. I can't take losing yet another game because people can't see scum right in front of their face.

this game is giving me a headache now

[TwoFace]

Atleast try to help me understand this bruh.

your first mistake is thinking that the soft claim is why I think he is mafia. I was pretty sure he was mafia before the soft claim even happened. I was pretty sure he was mafia when I voted him the first time. When he made the mistake later by cc'ing the miller claim and then tried to play it off like he didn't, despite actually posting that he was

I Think That He Cannot Be My Role Given That I'm Miller

[TwoFace]

also if im lol hammered vig/lynch the hammered

wish you didn't say that, now I really want to be the one to hammer you

[TwoFace]

Also TwoFace do you think Transcend seriously meant to CC miller (and then changed his mind)? After claiming that his role was both confirmable and investigative?

tbh I have no idea, in the big picture it really doesn't matter cause it doesn't change my read on him and I already suspect his claim is bullshit

[TwoFace]

sorry bv, didn't mean to take your spot

[TwoFace]

Also TwoFace do you think Transcend seriously meant to CC miller (and then changed his mind)? After claiming that his role was both confirmable and investigative?

so your turn now.

what do you make of it?

why if he said he is both confirmable and investigative do you think he said he was miller in an attempt to discredit you and your claim?

[TwoFace]

so yeah, transcend is caught scum like I have said all along

[TwoFace]

he was L-2

[TwoFace]

He didn't even have to claim. Had he just started posting normally most people would have unvoted

[TwoFace]

I would reread Eddie but by the time we lynch transcend and RB, I'll be dead

[TwoFace]

Should have posted that in your scum forum

[TwoFace]

As did I.

[TwoFace]

I mean, it's not uncommon for even the best of players to come off as dumb. All town should come off as dumb at some point, based on perspective and confbias of their own role.

So eventually that'll happen to me? Ugh

[TwoFace]

I mean, it's not uncommon for even the best of players to come off as dumb. All town should come off as dumb at some point, based on perspective and confbias of their own role.

So eventually that'll happen to me? Ugh

Like in every game you play.

[TwoFace]

That has me curious how many games my d1 reads were accurate. I know twice I was nk'd night 1 for having 2/3 of the scum teams nailed.

[TwoFace]

it's definitely fair to say probably

Shall I take 5 minutes to find a game where a backup exhausted without a main role? Pretty sure I can find at least one or 2.

You can't assume full watcher with a backup. Basically you can't assume anything

If you read the entirety of my posts and not just confbias you'll see that this has been my point all along - we can't assume the truth or untruth of any kind of setup spec so early and preflip.

but hey keep being slow

Don't take out your butt hurt on me because you played bad and you and your scum buddy are going to be lynched.

I called out your bad post before I had a read on you so you can't even use conf.bias as an excuse to discredit me, So try again.

people who attack before understanding or attempting to understand look bad. I know you can agree with that cause that's basically what you said scum do. You did that. So I have to ask myself if I think you are scum doing what scum does or town doing what scum does ( which is definitely a possibility) and I was unsure. That's why I didn't have a read on you. That's why I didn't vote you and why hap called me out on it early on.

Later you finally find out why tb agreed that the claim keep looked legit and his explanation made sense. Instead of accept that, you again decided to discredit/attack him for not giving that explanation when he originally made the agreement post.

1. You didn't question anyone else who seemed to agree with the assumption the claim was legit, including the first person to say it
2. You didn't ask anyone else for their reasons why they believed it
3. You held TB to an unrealistic expectation that on page 1 he's somehow supposed to justify his reasoning unprompted by anyone.

That all adds up to suspect behavior. It's behavior I can't possibly see from town.

[TwoFace]

My love for Hapa borders on the sexual, ur only wrong about 2F really. He's skum

you skum, 2f?

Nope

[TwoFace]

Anyone who thinks I'm scum is obliged to read NY Normal 1850 for a correct understanding of my aggressive playstyle.

Oh snap. The self meta defense. Fuck now we have to believe you right?

You aren't being scum read for being aggressive. You're being scum read for playing like scum.

[TwoFace]

wait, tf claimed he was the most townie person? I cc

yeah, it's obviously me.

You have a sense of humor. That's cute

[TwoFace]

2F is scumfuck

You can say it as many times as you feel necessary but it's going to be false every single time.

Seriously if you aren't scum your play has been shit and you're read on me just proves that.

[TwoFace]

Wow this pants-on-head retarded town actually put Transcend to L-1

fucking morons rofl

This is like the third time you have used that R word. It's not a very nice word and it's offensive to me due to my mother who's handicapped and my work with special needs kids.

Please find a new word to use to show your frustration

And transcend is literally caught scum. You're taking defending your buddy to an entirely new level. Sorry though you get no town cred when he flips scum.

[TwoFace]

Yeah and I already knew all that before I began, it's just the best way to get a game moving and sort slots.

save the back pedaling for somebody who's gullible. You don't get to play like scum and later when MORE people are calling you scum say you were just doing it to get the game going.

[TwoFace]

I'll be back later. Not worth arguing with scum anymore

[TwoFace]

RB. I'll just give you a heads up that my mind is already made up about you so talking to me is pointless. Trying to convince me of anything is pointless now. You should have thought about that earlier when you were playing like scum cause that's what I think you are.

P.edit - nobody should buy it cause it makes no sense.

[TwoFace]

I need to stop doing associative tells right now. Transcend is scum. Not going to over analyze. If eager is town and actually backup watcher, whatever watcher is out there is mafia aligned.

Meh. I don't really agree with that the watcher is mafia aligned. Can you explain?

[TwoFace]

I don't believe the claim

And apparently trying to lynch my scumnreads is toxic but dropping the r word multiple times despite wing a highly offensive word almost everywhere now (and people have been warned/punished on site for it) isn't toxic?


P.edit - there could be no watcher. There could be no cop. There is no 1 shot weak friendly neighbor.

[TwoFace]

The friendly neighbor role does not share any PTs, don't become masons, and don't recruit anyone.

Bingo

[TwoFace]

So basically I'm a recruiting mason that dies if i recruit mafia and conf towns someone if i recruit town.

Eddie it matters cause of this.

FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR DOESN'T RECRUIT ANYONE.

[TwoFace]

X X X

BlackVoid you're a great mod but you have an insufferable player list i no longer wish to be a part of.

SUB OUT

You got caught and you replace out? Blacklisted.

[TwoFace]

But my question is if "Friendly Neighbor" can have any variations? Or do all roles in this game follow the standardized mafiascum wiki roles?

Normal has to follow the normal variation

[TwoFace]

X X X

BlackVoid you're a great mod but you have an insufferable player list i no longer wish to be a part of.

SUB OUT

yeah, last ditch effort. weak was the best fake claim to try anyways. I applaud that claim. But it doesn't cc miller. He was about to be lynched. Subbing out literally changes nothing for him, but potentially helps his team if it works. This shouldn't be allowed.

PMd the list mod to see if it violates any site rules or not.

[TwoFace]

I asked if a player who replaces out under pressure is against rules. No alignment implied. It's happened twice so I'm
Genuinely curious

[TwoFace]

any holes?

Yes one huge one.

He claimed his role can recruit. It can't.

[TwoFace]

No it was a theme game but I've never played a game with a friendly neighbor that doesn't get a hood

retract so

Than you never played as a friendly neighbor

[TwoFace]

any holes?

Yes one huge one.

He claimed his role can recruit. It can't.

and explain how this benefits scum!transcend ?

He's past the point of redemption. He's basically throwing anything he can in hopes of a life preserver. Unfortunately this ship sailed without any.

[TwoFace]

I just assumed it based on past games. My pm actually doesn't say whether i get a PT or not.

So why would you assume you got one? I'm pretty sure your role on has to explain how your role works. The normal reviewers are kind of anal about that.

[TwoFace]

But Nahdia was the mod and gave me a PT with the person i neighborized.

FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT INTERTWINED! I think you meant to claim weak neighborizer, not friendly neighbor. That is a hard core slip.

This.

[TwoFace]

Well apparently they are given the game i posted.

Medical junkies was a friendly neighbor (not weak) chose broseidon and got conf Towned while having a hood.

lol you were friendly neighborizer in that game. Not friendly neighbor

[TwoFace]

Go scum! Woooo you can do it scum. I love you scum! Wooooo!

If you are town, I am black listing you.

He's not

[TwoFace]

This was not scum transcend at all.

He is so fucking obvtown and the replace out is pure frustration

Sup buddy. Transcend is now basically admitted he's scum.

So tell me how I'm scum and toxic again?

[TwoFace]

He isn't gonna flip scum he's literally screaming town you moron

If anyone is a moron, it's the person you see when you look in a mirror.

[TwoFace]

Yes you are.

[TwoFace]

Remember RB is day 2 lynch unless we catch the 3rd

[TwoFace]

Also TF would have just lynched town after town in this particular game

Sorry but transcend was scummy as fuck. He deserved that lynch and hopefully next time he won't play like scum.

Nothing he did was town motivated and then fucking up his own claim was the cherry on top. Like who the fuck messes up their own role like that?

I'll take the hate but I definitely wasn't wrong for the push.

[TwoFace]

How am I supposed to townread a player who intentionally deceived town and denied content? Who when under pressure instead of scum hunting soft claimed and expected that to make things better, a player who when forced to full claim botched it so bad it looked like a scum slip?

It's impossible. Transcend fucked up. You really should have been day 2 lynched. Idk what happened cause I stopped following

I'm not going to say anything about your play cause I don't want to fight but I don't have a high opinion of it especially since town lost.

[TwoFace]

imagine if discerning town or scum was more to do with the motivations behind actions in the context of the current game than the specific actions they take

Yes i used this. There is NO TOWN MOTIVE FOR WHAT HE DID. That's why I'm mad he played like scum.

[TwoFace]

I'm not going to engage in this argument you're trying to start. I stand by my opinions.

Transcend said he played how he played cause he was a powerful pr.

1. Transcend you weren't powerful at all. Technically I don't even consider your role a Pr
2. Playing different when you have some sort of role is the best way to appear scummy and draw attention to yourself.

Goodbye

[TwoFace]

Oh let's not forget he cc'd the Miller

[TwoFace]

It's called body of work.

You fake a pr to deny content - bad/scummy
You get votes on you and instead of scum hunting soft claim instead of scum hunting- bad/scummy
You continue to not scum hunt - bad/scummy
You fake claim Miller and later try and play it off despite actually CC'ing the Miller- definitely bad/scummy
You claim a role that you don't have - bad/scummy

How can anyone town read that? If you can look through all that and still see town kudos for you. I can't and never will. It plays towards degrading the site which has obviously already been degraded if players think they can do things like that and get away with it.

[TwoFace]

Cause town accidentally claims cc's Miller...

Like yes I know I was wrong about him, but you really can't blame me for being wrong. And if yo do, go read what I just outlined again and start blaming the person who did all that.

[TwoFace]

Already said there was no town motivation for any of the things he did.

[TwoFace]

Also by not taking the miller claim at face value, we got boon to make the oddnight cop claim - which actually made it really obvious to find them as a scum pair, and if we didnt vig 2 town players and rush lynches - town would win.

Nobody was lynching boon/ss clearly cause nobody lynched boon/ss

[TwoFace]

survival is a motivation for both alignments, and he already explaimed he wanted to get scum on his wagon then be able to claim and analyse the wagon

Yeah cause acting scummy on purpose as a method to finding scum is actually useful...

[TwoFace]

Let's make it easier. Transcend and RB

Stay away from me going forward
I'll stay away from you.

[TwoFace]

literally my entire 443 was scumhunt heaven you just didn't like what i concluded with.

List reads are garbage and I don't read them. Too easy to fake as scum and they really aren't useful. Wasted time that could actually be spent scum hunting/pressuring somebody which is the best way to scum hunt

[TwoFace]

every single town in the transcend lynch needs to take this as a learning experience.

No. The only one who needs to learn something is transcend

[TwoFace]

Forgive me? I haven't done anything that needs to be forgiven

[TwoFace]

I assume eddie shot me? he knows (or at this point should known) my town game and if so that was a stupid shot.

[TwoFace]

I did. I shot you for lynching a claimed pr. as weve disxussed i haven't seen your scum meta and I /often/ agree with your tunnels at least somewhat so death tunnelling 2 people I town read one of which is a claimed pr is not what is expect from town!2f.

well I don't lynch claimed PRs day 1 but 1. that wasn't a pr imo. Friendly neighbor is such a bad role, and him being weak is actually a negative utility cause we would have had no idea who he visited. and 2. he blew that claim so bad, I thought there was no way it was legit.

[TwoFace]

Personally if I was the mod, i'd have considered modkilling Transcend for blatantly playing against wincon.

what he did wasn't modkillable but he definitly was playing anti-town

[TwoFace]

Also by not taking the miller claim at face value, we got boon to make the oddnight cop claim - which actually made it really obvious to find them as a scum pair, and if we didnt vig 2 town players and rush lynches - town would win.

Nobody was lynching boon/ss clearly cause nobody lynched boon/ss

This.

I thought about nominating the scum team, or even just you but I realized this win was due more towards bad town play vs good scum play that you wouldn't win. And I'm sorry just like the oscars being nominated isn't that great of an honor. Winning is the only thing that counts.

[TwoFace]

I would've shot boon not ss. scum!boon basically confirmed scum!ss but not vice versa.

This was pointed out in our PT. I knew you were 2 shot. But you shot Hapa, which is what I kind of was aiming for.

I legitimately rngd the shot between you and hapa with 60/40 for shooting hapa

Then you didn't play the role properly. Both shots were bad but hearing this. I'm fucking pissed

[TwoFace]

lylo is when you reset your reads and reread shit. voting quickly in it in nearly any circumstance is bad play.

Didn't you just have a game where you failed to do that? And you lost?

[TwoFace]

And boon, can't believe I'm actually bragging about this but I think I was more responsible for the d1 lynch. Especially after I basically proved he was claiming the wrong role.

You played well but don't fool yourself. Scum won because of how bad we all played. Not because you all played well.

P.edit oh yeah that was it

[TwoFace]

and that was someone I scum read and tried to lynch previous days too. idk what your point is

You came into lylo scum reading screen. You didn't do what you just told others is my point. It was highly annoying town didn't do what they were supposed to in lylo. Abandoned reads and basically treat everyone equal.