Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

[havingfitz]

VOTE: horrordude
Welcome back?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: horrordude
Welcome back?

Fitz my main man!

smh..

Hello Hans. Please don't vig me

[havingfitz]

if cooldog is scum i am quite confident that he genuinely thought it wasn't a joke.

What if Cool Dog is town?

[havingfitz]

UNVOTE:

[havingfitz]

*i meant from scum.

So you're saying implosion is town?

[havingfitz]

nai

[havingfitz]

Have you had a few Hans? You seem a little feisty.

Mod...weekend v/LA. I'll post as I am able to.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: CooLDoG

[havingfitz]

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

His first couple posts were just RVS nonsense. What did you "really" not like about them?

And what rough spot? All the votes (zero) he got?

[havingfitz]

Really didn't like Darklyns first couple posts... cmon man you put me in a rough spot

His first couple posts were just RVS nonsense. What did you "really" not like about them?

And what rough spot? All the votes (zero) he got?

I'm good thanks

Great. But could you answer my questions?

[havingfitz]

good point. you can fit Desullys ISO on the back of a teaspoon

That's NAI.

[havingfitz]

OK...from the start read through catchup:

Page 1 misc RVS crap (plus a claim?)

Is DRK being cheeky scum here?

I'm considering the Eddie "lovers" claim legit. Just saying.

Not a fan of Imp's Post 47. IAWS has done virtually nothing (i.e. most of his wagon at this point is RVS I assume) and yet Imp is giving CMM some shit for moving off IAWS.

CoolDog....oh me oh my....LAMIST post 51? A quick ISO makes me think CooLDoG is more a TR than a SR for me.

UNVOTE: CooLDoG

I definitely see the point of others who think CD was trying to come off as town with his reaction...but I'm going to believe it. If I'm scum and someone claims early unnecessarily (and if I believe them)...then I'm just playing it off and I'll consider how to handle it that night. Like I said...it does come across a little LAMIST to me but I'm choosing to believe it for now.

Townreading Hans so far.

IAWS was at l-3 before he had even made his first post.

Kind of feeling Desully is town.
Kind of feeling horrordude is town.

@ Imp...Why are IAWS and Boon scum?
Imp shines a little shade (IMO) on Hans...

OK...so imp is probably calling Boon scum for OMGUS (yes?)...but decides to get off his scum!IAWS wagon and hop on the wagon scum!Boon just exited. Also happens to be the largest wagon.

@Hans...I think at this point in the game we had been out of RVS for a bit.

Liking horror a bit.

implosion makes nice well-reasoned posts but I'm not sure that they are getting anywhere. Kind of like a butterfly just flittering around looking for a good spot to land.

Kind of TRing DRK from her "sheeping" exchange with Hans. Still TRing Hans as well btw.

204 by Eddie is a compelling case for CooLDoG. Whether I believe Cool or not...I can't find too much fault in those that have voted him.

So Eddie... 222are you definitively saying the lover claim with you and Boon is fake? If so...I need to relook at both of you. I still TR you but I would need to look Boon over again. And when you are saying CooLDoG attacked you are you are referring to his indignation that could be construed as coming from town...yes? Not attack in the sense that he wanted to kickstart a wagon on you or Boon...yes?

I really didn't like WhemeStar's posts 227 and 228. Nor his response to me asking him about it. I left it alone because 1) I didn't think questioning him was going to get any further and 2) I assumed he was saying Darklyn was claiming fruit vendor....hence the rough spot. But as the role is NAI regardless of whther my assuming is right or not...I'm not going to consider it.

@Boon...the trouble with joking (or in this case fakeclaiming) is that bad shit can happen to town. Fakeclaims can result in real PRs claiming. Fakeclaims can get the ire of town and result in TvT wagons/attacks. Sure...there could be instances where scum could be baited into NKing a no-low PR townie that fakeclaimed...but anything that interjects unnecessary WIFOM is an unnecessary pita.

Nice observation by Eddie....making me rethink my rethinking of CooLDoG.....

@Hans...I do not recall seeing you ask me a question about CooLDoG. If you mean the general question horror answered....because it was a general question and horror answered it.

@imp...why does having nothing to do with your vote make you happy? If I'm being "opaque" ask me a question. At least I am (was) voting someone I suspect. More than what a few can say atm. I voted CooLDoG initially on the tails of a good post by Eddie that made sense to me + pressure. On closer reread this morning I am less sure about Cool though. I've gone back and forth on him. As for my questions...not a lot. Mostly just clearing up others comments so I would better understand them. In the case of the question I asked you...I asked it out of context and once I realized it there was no reason to ponder it more.

@WhemeStar...do you have any completed scum games on this site? If "dat's how you play" describes your play so far in this game and others...you are going to continue being scum's best friend every time you don't roll scum. Which is TBD in this game.

@WhemeStar...so CooLDoG is scum for voting you, the player you were voting (DeSully) I assume you'd still like to see lynched, and horror is scum for trying to push a PL mislynch. And so you decide to vote me. WTF? And how are two questions you didn't provide any response to AI towards me? smh....

VOTE: WhemeStar

Other persons of interest at this point are IAWS, CMM, implosion....and CooLDoG.

@Hans...did I need to give you special attention?

Also...if I post anymore today it will be short phone snippets as I will be traveling most of today and another game (and RL) needs my attention before I leave in a few hours.

[havingfitz]

I'm getting ready to board a plane Hans. I'll respond asap....might be tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

I haven't read anything since Tuesday. I'm on vacation until next Tuesday so finding time to post might be a bit difficult. Will try to post as much as I can.

[havingfitz]

Fitz is scum also

[havingfitz]

Below are notes/comments I did yesterday while waiting for this game to open:

Catching up from week long AWOL...starting at post 322 and with the hindsight that Cooldog is town.

@Whemestar...WIFOM.

@Boon...well hello to you too. My post-v/la read on you is TBD (and I do not recall what it was before my v/la.

@imp...why is Whemestar probably town? Because of the page 1 FV softclaim? As for the opaque thing...asking me a few questions and seeing how I responded before calling me opaque was what I was getting at. And as I answered your questions I obviously noticed them. Also...the bottom paragraph of this post was spot-on. NAI but spot-on.

Textbook TwoFace...sadly.

378...from IAWS felt town to me.

@TwoFace...ffs...do you always tunnel/push mislynches on people who in some warped distorted corner of your mind committed the mortal sin of lying? Which in your case = said something you disagreed with or couldn't comprehend as being genuine/accurate/true?

@Eddie...why don't you like the post by IAWS?

@TwoFace...When you say "fitz was the only Wheme vote I was satisfied with" do you mean his vote on me was the only vote you liked or my vote on him was the only one you liked?

@imp...Wheme wasn't the person who first indicated his role was a Fruit vendor? It was his predecessor.

612...not a fan of Kop's entrance/vote on iaws. Hasn't caught up but opts for the trending wagon anyway. Why not catch up completely and have all the facts when you place your vote?

618...not a fan of imp's non-scumread vote on iaws. Also...you are comparing iaws to cd when your vote is on TwoFace. wtf?

629...Wheme thinking he deserves to be considered as confirmed town for a fruit vendor claim is BS. At no point other than his flip will his alignment be confirmed. No matter how many times people may confirm that they received fruit from him. Worthless NAI PR. Absolutely still a consideration as scum.

631...annnnnnnnnnd once again TwoFace's reads are crap on "so obviously scum" who get pushed for multiple "lies"....smh

689...not a fan of Boon jumping off an L-1 wagon on iaws to be the only person on Hans. Comes across as trying to avoid being on the mislynch (assuming iaws is town). Though he immediately moves to CooLDoG wagon which does wind up being a mislynch.

ok... 701 is the first post I can recall by Horror that I do not like. He is on the L-2 wagon of someone he suspects (iaws) but moves to another L-2 wagon on someone he absolutely doesn't want to see lynched. Why not make a final push for support on the iaws wagon? smh....bad Horror.

"o shit rekt" lol....

2F is annoying as fcuk but I think he's probably town in this game.

@Eddie...does the fact iaws is not a beginner change your opinion on his wagon?

So...as of the start of D2:

Townreads - Hans, probably TwoFace (despite consistent shit reads...aka his meta) and.......maaaybe horror (though I didn't like his end of D1). I think I was tr'ing DeSully too but can't remember why. Can't remember much of anything they did D1.

TBDs - DeathRowKitty, IAWS, imp

Suspects (inpo) - Kop, Eddie, Wheme

VOTE: Kop

[havingfitz]

seriously stop saying I have shit reads. My scum reads are on people who play like scum. If my reads are shit stop criticizing me and criticize the people playing like shit.

Plus saying my reads are shit implies you know I'm wrong which confirms my suspicion of you.

Um...your reads are consistently shit.
And I do know they are wrong wrt at least two players in the game (CD and me) and atm I suspect they're wrong wrt Horror.

[havingfitz]

also fits why is hans town

Meta. Feels town. We recently finished a game as scum partners and this feels different. Subject to change I suppose but nothing he's done so far has me sr'ing him.

[havingfitz]

Anyone get fruit?

Really? You're interested in fruit?
How about this question.....

IAWS....did you get any result last night?

I'm guessing if Wheme's fruit delivery was effected N1....the same thing could have been applied to iaws ability given scum didn't feel pressed to nk him.

[havingfitz]

Also...since I missed all/most? of D2 I played catch up while it was night.


Day 2 posthumous catch up.

#824...agree with this IAWS post regarding Wheme.

@Wheme...and you're wrong.

@imp...who are your 2 biggest scumspects?

@Eddie...my scum game with Hans was Open 669 (karnos modded). Look in my topics if you want to peruse it. I looked at some of his town games during 669 to see how he tended to play. He only had a few iirc and he was typically getting lynched early, again...iirc. Not sure why. I rarely look at other games for meta details but did so here because I was perceiving him as a detriment to the scum team and I wanted to see if there were areas I could help him with. It never got to that point. I'm not going to try and defend a gut read based on my perception that Hans' posting feels differently here. You can believe my read or not. IMO...the Hans slot is town this game.

@TwoFace...my bad. I got your avatar mixed up with Eddie's. That comment should have been directed at Eddie.

Feel free to answer it Eddie.

@TwoFace...why is that funny? You are giving the reason I'm giving for TR'ing Hans while shading that I'm not giving reasons. smh...

@horror...why are you focusing off the CD wagon? He was a mislynch you know? There just might have been one or two scum on his wagon.

Annoyed that Hans replaced out.

@Stone Cold...why are you using one of TwoFace's crap D1 reads (on CD) to question him on his inability to see that Hans is scum?

@Stone Cold...hmmmm (positive hmm).

@Stone Cold...is my Hans read as "absolute garbage" as your iaws read?

#1021 - @ Wheme...why...if scum had a roleblocker...would they use it on a worthless pr action such as giving fruit? Especially when the act of giving fruit would in no way indicate your alignment. even if the fruit delivery was successful. I would think scum would be more interested in RBing most anyone else other than a weak NAI pr of a player of limited experience.

Caught up. Awaiting D3.

[havingfitz]

New guy has posted.
What about Hans?

[havingfitz]

Or rather, look like they

could

be a signal

That could be a good lead actually

No good lead unless you think DRK was any better at picking out scum than the rest of us.

[havingfitz]

don't understand why fitz seems to have such a strong town read on superhans considering it seems to be based on pure meta, and considering even I would be voting for superhans if I didn't know better.

Is my Hans read accurate?

[havingfitz]

689...not a fan of Boon jumping off an L-1 wagon on iaws to be the only person on Hans. Comes across as trying to avoid being on the mislynch (assuming iaws is town). Though he immediately moves to CooLDoG wagon which does wind up being a mislynch.

1) I find this comment strange considering boon was not alive at the time.

2) I'm also curious as to why stone was killed instead of IAWS.

1 - it was written before he was killed and I don't edit in those situations (similar to my Stone Cold comments this morning).
2 - either he was a threat to someone or they thought he was a pr.
3 - ???

P.edit. Traitors know who scum are? I've never been one so I don't know.

[havingfitz]

I stopped at Mafia traitor.

[havingfitz]

I think it's imp and fitz personally

Imp perhaps....me no.

[havingfitz]

so to be clear, you think hans is town but aren't interested in defending him?

Not above stating my town read and not voting him.

[havingfitz]

2F....do you care what others think of how you play mafia?

[havingfitz]

what's your opinion of hans content wrt this game?

I'll tackle this asap. Might be tomorrow. Tied up most of rest of today.

While I'm at it...I'd ask the same of you.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Kop

I almost voted imp for the link to DRK (the potential signalling). But on second thought...since scum would have been on the lookout for a traitor (yes... I finally read the DRK flip)...the "signal" to imp may have been just as effective to watchful scum if imp was town...while at the same time not implicating the actual scum team.

Still suspect imp as DRK vote was guilty driven....but hesitant enough to prefer alternative.

One...hard not ad homing you so I'll just ignore you. Smh....

[havingfitz]

and fitz shows up and drops a vote without first responding to outstanding requests

I like my vote

I'm sorry...did I not do things in the order or timeframes you desired?

[havingfitz]

I am impressed you managed to make a post this scummy

How so?

[havingfitz]

like, why are you even voting kop?

and you were already voting kop so I don't understand what the point was to vote him again just for the sake of it

additionally

"the "signal" to imp may have been just as effective to watchful scum if imp was town..."

this makes no sense to me. why would traitor drk make a signal to town imp and how would that be helpful to scum to identify that drk was the traitor?

First off...I wasn't already voting Pop.
Second.. my initials reasons for voting him still stand.
Third.. trying to make sense to you would be futile. I gave my reasons wrt DRK possibly using imp to signal scum. It's not locked in stone...its just enough to make me continue to prefer Kop.

[havingfitz]

it's nonsensical, omgus's your town read, fency af, you still haven't answered your opinion of fitz itg

How is it nonsensical?
Town reads can be idiots. Can suspect you. Ex... I town read TwoFace.

And of course it's fency. I still suspect imp.

I've given my opinion of Hans. You want specific thoughts on his content this game. I haven't got to that yet. This game isn't my life's priority atm. I'll still do it when I can despite One being pants on head.

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First off...I wasn't already voting Pop.
Second.. my initials reasons for voting him still stand.
Third.. trying to make sense to you would be futile. I gave my reasons wrt DRK possibly using imp to signal scum. It's not locked in stone...its just enough to make me continue to prefer Kop.

1. my bad when I was iso'ing you I saw your last vote was kop, but realized that was the previous day

2. you never really explained your initial reasons for him. When you voted him in 849 the ONLY thing you mentioned was you didn't like his entrance/vote on iaws which basically looks like buddying the town cop. It certainly isn't alignment indicative and now it is day 3 you aren't really factoring in how the traitor role fits in. What specifically has kop done that makes you think he is scum? Can you point to a DRK/KOP connection?

I mean if you are going to say your initial reasons for him stand, it would be pretty fucking useful IF YOU HAD INITIAL REASONS TO BEGIN WITH...

3. yay there it is. instead of doing what you should be doing (assuming you are town) you result to insults and discreding. You act like I am not capable of rational thought. I am. Stop fucking insulting me or I will report you to the game and site mod.

1. Not a problem. You seemed confused so I'm just setting you straight.

2. I gave reasons. You might not like them but to link to the post where

I

actually give my reasons...and

YOU

list my reasons...and then say

I

didn't give reasons is stupid. Not saying YOU are stupid Mr Sensitivity. I'm saying your 2nd point was. Kind of like you did here.

3. How about this...is calling you a massive hypocrite insulting to you? If so, oh well. Saying your reads are shit is perfectly acceptable ThinSkin. smh

And iirc I haven't insulted you personally so go take some deep breaths and try to cope. As for the hypocrite comment...here are some discredit or insult examples to support that comment since you don't seem to mind doing the exact thing you whine at me about:

#73
#135

#191 - Off topic but QFT.

#325
#339
#644
#721 "F*ck off?" For shame! modmodmodmodsiteadminsiteadminsiteadmin /jk
#725
#771
#787 duck=f*ck
#789
#1091

Mostly discrediting examples but you get the point (or not).

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Havingfitz

L-1

What the fcuk.

I'm town iaws. Please remove the vote.
Playing with 2F is distasteful/exasperating enough. I don't need confirmed town piling on.

[havingfitz]

I hope you're town 2F so my opinion of your play this game isn't altered.

[havingfitz]

^ You're painfully bad 2F (as town). That =/= scum though so I hope my read on you is right.

Do you get into misguided tunneling shit shows in all your games? How can that be any fun for you? smh...

Here's the deal. I'm not going to the trouble of defending my meta read on Hans when he's been replaced by ______ One and for the sake of a scum read and someone who is terrible as town.

If there's anyone not on my wagon that doesn't like that response and would prefer a mislynch...hammer away.

I'm town btw.

[havingfitz]

oh you claim town? silly me

I suspect you so your vote is understandable.

[havingfitz]

oh you claim town? silly me

And I am a NAI pr which 2 others can confirm...but which I suspect wouldn't impact my wagon.

[havingfitz]

If you are town here(doubtful)
Your play is far worse than mine.

Something you mind boggling fail to understand is that not every player thankfully does not use your brain to play mafia. Because 2F doesn't do something the same way =/= scum.

And the fact we've played more than a few games together highlights your blinder derpy mindset.

When you mislynch someone the majority of that falls on you...not someone who doesn't play to your narrow line of thinking.

[havingfitz]

I'm calling fitz out on not scum hunting

Whether I am scum hunting or not is a matter of opinion. Which in your case as usual....would be wrong.
And even if you WERE right and I was not scumhunting....is that AI? Town unequivocally always scum hunt? Does that mean scum NEVER scum hunts? It's NAI bullshit from your narrow tiny mind.

He proves me right but pulling a bunch of posts of mine to show some sort of hypocrisy despite saying he town reads me.

What I was doing here was showing how a winy ass thin skinned narrow minded tunneler who likes to threaten the wrath of the mods/site admins anytime someone pisses in his Wheaties is nothing but a major fcuking hypocrite. You have yourself claimed you are an asshole when you play mafia (we agree) and to try to give me shit about discrediting you (which is a major part of the game of mafia btw) and insulting you (one of the worst perpetrators of this on the site) is the epitome of hypocrisy.

Meanwhile he's been asked twice to justify his town read on your slot since it's been proven already that "meta" reads aren't reliable since imp "meta read" drk as town and he wasn't.

All meta reads on Mafia.com are henceforth proven unreliable because imp got it wrong on DRK? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Wrong. Err...I mean "Bullshit!" Sometimes meta works. Using on D1 to help read someone I just played a game with is perfectly acceptable. And FYI...meta is part of the reason I'm town reading you this game. Zoinks!

Fitz should be expected to either A. Abandon his town read because he should now know "meta" isn't a good reason anymore (which he hasn't)

Or B. Justify this town read with actual game content (which he's now avoiding doing)

Typical faulty TwoFace logic. Your A and B don't apply because A) meta "can" work. "isn't a good reason anymore" is just a baseless stupid narrow minded conclusion that helps you justify your shit read on me and B) I'm justifying my Hans read on meta. Deal with it.

@imp. Where I'm at right now is fitz/you/hans has the last 2 scum.

Fitz needs to go first imo cause he's been less useful than the hans replacement and he's been here since day 1.

mindlesstunneltunneltunneltunnel........

Fitz is currently top wagon getter and is not acting well. If we lynch hand replacement instead I'm ok with that but I really think evidence points to you/fitz and hans replacement is a frame job

Excellent post. I have one more vote than 3 other candidates so I must be scum. Just like CoolDog had the most votes D1 and was scum. TwoFace logic! Works evertime! Not...

If fitz flips town, hans replacement will probably be lynched tomorrow

Line those lynches up. So if you push my mislynch through today your switch to someone I town read. Because my ulterior motive as town would be to townread scum!Hans. Perfect. Me town means my town reads are scum. Got it. TwoFace logic!

Fuck forgot about horror. Damn see this is why lurking sucks. Horror is still a scum read so out him in there somewhere

So essentially you suspect everyone in the game except the essentially town confirmed Cop IAWS and........I assume Wheme and Eddie? For whatever reasons. So with that wide a net of potential scum your bound to be able to look back after twon loses and say it wasn't your fault because you had ID'd scum. What are your current reads on Eddie and Wheme by the way? If you suspect them as well your success rate of suspicion will be at 100%.

Why not voting implosion?

because fitz fitz as a partner with pretty much everyone in my lynch pile, and impo has been less completely awful than fitz today. fitz's post that I voted him for sold me on it.

he has still neglected to even talk about hans itg, it's pretty much a manufactured towmread that mag be buddying and may be partner.

Not true. I've said I town read Hans based on meta. I haven't ISO'd his content because 1) I think he's town and therefore not suspect enough for me to spend my time ISOing him and 2) those asking me to support him as town without using meta are a scum read and a faulty logician. Neither of which is worth my time appeasing. If I go to the trouble of ISOing anyone it will be my scum reads.

I actually think fitzs recent reactions have been moderately town. I'll justify that and talk more about Hans tonight.

Why is kop not in your list of suspects?

Ignoring scum hunting and refusing to answer questions asked by 2 people to point out my hypocrisy is town reaction?

Wrong. See points above.

Vote parking on a lame non AI reason from early day 2 is a town reaction?

"Lame" and whether something is "AI" or not is a matter of opinion. Kind of like my opinion of your shit reads.

And to be honest...the first person I ISO when I get the chance will be Kop to see if my current suspicions towards that slot remain. It's not a tunnel by any means.

He needs death and it should be way before mylo/lylo which means next 2/3 day phases. If he was actually trying to be helpful maybe that would make sense but he isn't.

Opinion. A misguided one at that.

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There's no posts from drk that show a drk/fitz connection which makes me doubt a drk/fitz connection

Exactly. You give me crap for not looking at DRK associations and then your main push today is on someone with no DRK associations. Awesome.

[havingfitz]

but replacement scum reads me so they can get mislynched

Where did I say this?

[havingfitz]

so to be clear, you think hans is town but aren't interested in defending him?

Not above stating my town read and not voting him.

?

[havingfitz]

When did it become preferable to lynch people for doing nothing aka policy lynching instead of doing something scummy?

Isn't doing nothing the main point of your "mountain of hard evidence" against me?

[havingfitz]

Pine/Kop:

Pine was pretty much a non entity this game and he seems to have site flaked...so I do not think his lack of presence in this game is AI.

So Kop...as I mentioned in one of my catch up posts, I didn't care for his lazy vote on IAWS D1. He chose to put IAWS at 3 votes while completely ignoring/commenting on the most popular wagon...CoolDog. And aside from the vote his first to posts seem to be focused entirely or directing fruit. IAWS calls Kop out with a good point for his understanding the logic but still voting it disconnect.

Kop has 3 posts D1 and then doesn't appear again until D3 (9 RL days later).

In Post 1107 Kop points to buddying between DRK and imp. While I'm not sure the posts show a lot of buddy...the last DRK post he quotes (390) looks a bit buddyish and actually looks a bit incriminating towards imp. He ends this post stating his vote preference is between imp and me though he provides no reasons for considering me.

1108, 1109 and 1111 don't really provide much. Just cop theory and an imp vote.

D2 was Apr 6th @ 6:62pm EST to Apr 8th @ 11:34pm EST. Kop made no posts on the site between those hours.

I've played a few games with Kop and I've been pretty good about reading him. He is very inactive and gets a lot of heat for that. So his presence in this game is NAI for me as well.

What I don't like, as mentioned above, was his lazy vote on IAWS (who iirc I was leaning town on att) and a bunch of theory talk. I actually did like his effort towards imp though...in particular his find of DRK's 390.

So my SR on Kop is definitely weak...in previous games where I have tr him I've stated I did not think he was the right lynch but I'm not getting that feeling here. Despite that...

UNVOTE: Kop for the time being.

On to Eddie and to have a look over DRK.

Also....

@ mod

- Kop and Wheme are both due prods.

[havingfitz]

How could you say his replacement has been scummier when literally all he's done has been to tunnel the one and only fitz?

Then he does a 180 cause fitz goes off the rails and is now basically willing to vote for whoever fitz votes.

And as Eddie has now pointed out. Now he's voting the same person fitz is voting...

Brilliant analysis of the post immediately prior. Did you have anything to actually add to what Eddie also uncovered? Lol....

[havingfitz]

OK...so I decided to ISO DRK before bothering with Eddie. I didn't read all of DRK's post-flip role info at first (admittedly not until TwoFace gave me crap about it) so thankfully this ISO is done with the knowledge that

1) DRK knew who the scum team were and

2) the scum team IMO is more than likely only two players, with daychat, and probably at least suspected there was a traitor based on the fact they are only 2 in number.

So DRK is most likely trying to get the hint to scum and scum very likely has their radar on looking for a traitor.

It's hard not getting caught up by wifom when reading DRK....his first 3 or 4 posts could definitely be construed as trying to signal imp (as others I think have pointed out). Or implicate imp by being super obvious.

Post 97 comes across to me as a fake DRK signal to DeSully...who we now know was town.

Post 103 could be construed as a bit of defense to the CMM/Kop wagon. Looking to deflect it to anywhere else.

Post 111 could be a knock towards Eddie. DRK picking up on the "speak of the devil" comment (devil being akin to scum) and joining Eddie on the CD mislynch wagon.

Post 131...the first line of this post looks like signalling to me. Saying she felt like she was in an alternate reality. Kind of how I would think a traitor would feel until recruited.

Post 184...makes a harmless vote on Hans born out of frustration towards the slot. Not enough weight to clear Hans by any means. So null action by DRK.

Post 293...another harmless vote (this time on TwoFace) but for some reason this feel more genuine than the Hans vote. So town points to TwoFace. Also says she hates everyone in the game but imp and Desully. All the imp stuff is bothersome.

Post 390...smh at DRL imp lovefest. Either imp is scum or DRK is really trying to f him over by association. Ends by saying she agrees on Wheme but a quick look doesn't tell me what she is talking about.

Post 560...apparently DRK was suspect of Wheme and also is giving town points to Hans for his reaction to the Wheme claim stuff. Votes IAWS....probably means IAWS is town.

As an aside...do we have any way of knowing whether DRK was brought into the scum fold N1? If she was successful in getting her message across that would have effected her pre-guilty posting D2 IMO. If not recruited DRK would be frustrated and trying to get a message across to scum. If successfully recruited...she would be idgaf mode and just playing like normal scum.

I think DRK was recruited. Not seeing any D2 incriminating content. Has an exchange/debate with Eddie but nothing AI toward Eddie IMO. WIFOM's a Wheme reference on the way out the door.

That's all for DRK.

I really think the imp stuff has merit. The other two players I think could be linked negatively to DRK are CMM/Kop and Eddie. Looking back at the "speak of the devil" comment by Eddie it really had no reason for being made. He's dropping a vote on town in response to DRK's request to get off the CMM wagon. Could def be some signaling here.

Eddie next....then probably imp.

[havingfitz]

Well that's a shitty position to be in. She couldn't even win if scum goes first.

[havingfitz]

"DRK picking up on the "speak of the devil" comment (devil being akin to scum) and joining Eddie on the CD mislynch wagon."

lmfaooo

Why is that funny?

[havingfitz]

do we have any way of knowing whether DRK was brought into the scum fold N1?

I think DRK was recruited

(yes... I finally read the DRK flip)

so you didn't actually read the drk flip did you?

To the point where it said traitor and that she knew her team. Missed the no recruiting bit.

[havingfitz]

I can chalk a lot up to omgus but this is hilarious

Nice dismissiveness/defensiveness calling content hilarious. Please elaborate.

And what omgus are you referring to?

[havingfitz]

@Eddie...

Regardless of your alignment I understand you would not be receptive to any comments meant to incriminate or shade you.

I do think as town though you would just call the "speak of the devil" mention as being a stupid suggestion or just flat out say something "akin" to "no...you would be wrong." As scum I think you are more likely to act the way you have. Casually dismissing it as a humorous...not worth consideration comment.

As for the omgus comment. You make no mention of omgus when you vote me. And a few posts prior to voting me you actually had me listed 4th behind "imp > hans > horror." And between this listing and your vote I only made one post (my vote on Kop) which did not even mention you.

That doesn't add up to an omgus vote. Maybe a chainsaw vote?

What are your current thoughts on Kop?

Where is the omgus origins for your vote against me? That apparently weren't strong enough just 13 hours earlier to make me no better than 4th for you? Especially when imp was at 2 votes when you voted me and hans/One was at one? So two people you suspected more than me actually had wagons in play.

[havingfitz]

I don't like how he suddenly switches from fitz to kop.

Why? Weren't you just advocating a Kop wagon?

What's wrong with One leaving a wagon he's unsure of (i.e. town me) for a different suspect?

[havingfitz]

That didn't answer my question iaws.

P.edit.

VOTE: Eddie

P.p.edit...why the vote iaws?

[havingfitz]

Town has a mislynch and even if I'm not 100% confident you're scum, it honestly can't hurt to use it on you.

Why this attitude? I'm carving out time today to address this game and I get this bs? I thought your game, from most of what I've seen so far, was better than this. smh

P.edit @Twoface....thats a stupid question. I town read you and think you do wrong all the time. And iaws is confirmed but playing stupid. So sure to head scratching and no to "can do no wrong" monikers imo.

[havingfitz]

To this \/\/

Fitz, can town reads and confirmed townies still do things that make you scratch your head or do they just get a "can do no wrong" moniker and you give them cart blanche to do anything they want?

[havingfitz]

Eddie ISO:

Day 1

RVS vote on CMM/Kop (his partner?)

Claims to be "lovers" with Boon. Boon who is VT, not lover, plays along with this "claim". Some people take it serious and some dismiss it as a joke. I'm surprised Boon played along as long as he did. I don't think it was definitely determined to be a fake/joke claim until much later D1.

I hate fakeclaims because they inject confusion into the game. Whether this was some gambit or just in jest...it got a reaction from CooLDoG that resulted in CD coming under suspicions and eventually becoming the D1 mislynch. All courtesy of Eddi...who never actually gives his reasoning for voting CD btw.

#124...dismisses a CD wall post as bad. No reason why.

#204...explains why he wants to (mis)lynch CD. When people fakeclaim in a game there are going to be some people to believe the claim and some who don't. To completely dismiss the possibility (especially when Boon doesn't immediately say "Uh no") that the lover claim might be believed is just a low effort way to support your misguided read on CD.

#247... #250...a little imp defense.

#369...Eddie not opposed to the occasional mislynch. Ala iaws.

#394...Doesn't like an iaws post. No reason why.

#424...satisfied with my vote on Wheme. tyvm

#469...after CD (mis)lynch Eddie wants Hans lynched. Line 'em up!

#603...Kop is scumread #3.

#615...here Eddie is approving a Kop vote on iaws. So his 3rd scum suspect from just 12 gameposts earlier votes someone he at least finds less scummy and it's a good thing. smh.... Actually...about 30 hours later Eddie calls iaws newb town which makes his support of a scum reads vote on iaws all the more suspect.

#656...ironic...

#699...iaws wagon is bad.....but but but...Kop is on it and you approve of that?

#705...every CD post oozes scum. Excellent point. Insightful. Rock solid. Wrong.

#739...jumps and scream that iaws wagon is BAD! Not sure how town could know for sure...enough to put up that much fuss...that a wagon was bad. At this point both the iaws and the CD wagons are at L-2. Not sure the wagon make up of either is that terrible from what Eddie has mentioned at this point. He hasn't really mentioned imp or DRK (both on iaws). I think he is suspect of Wheme Kop and horror (who just came off the CD wagon and returns with it to hammer. While the CD wagon has Hans on it....and "newb town" iaws. Scum would know both wagons were town so defending one if it should wind up being the (mis)lynch would be some good town cred. But Eddie was committed to CD and that ended up panning out for him.

#744...nice discredit on iaws. Actually might have a point here.

Day 2

#794...quotes a horror post that brings up a good contradiction by Eddie regarding policy lynches. Results in a horror vote. For bad posting?

#797...hans or horror are getting rope today! votesDRK8postslater......

#896...Eddie graduated the TwoFace School of Unaccountability! Awesome. Twinsies!

#922...drops a vote on the long v/LA'ed Hans. AKA the player not around to defend himself.

#985...

Eddie getting into it with Stone Cold. That explains the Stone Cold NK...right Eddie?

#1004...post DRK - guilty result....states Hans is 2nd scum and me and horror are candidates for the 3rd scum. Somehow despite neither me or Kop voting 9much if at all) since he was reading Kop 3rd...I have passed Kop to join horror in co-third place. smh....how'd that happen?

#1035 unvotes DRK following DRK miller claim and #1063 asks for people to take it slow. LAMIST? Hoping tides change away from DRK?

Why did you vote DRK in #805 Eddie?

Distancing? Bussing?

Day 3

#1153...he has clearly stated his belief that Hans is scum. Noted.

Three posts later imp and horror are the last two scum. Or wait...one of imp and horror along with one of kop, me, One. Or Fitz and One. So maybe not imp and horrow after the DRK analysis. Kop only mentioned once....right after imp in this lineup: imp, kop, fitz, one, horror. Lol...wow....way to keep your options open. Except wrt kop. He's not a good fit with anyone I guess? Despite being listed 2nd in your lineup....

Wait...here is his official order...imp>hans(One)>horror>fitz>kop. Interesting to note that he isn't voting anyone at this point. A few posts later he votes me for what he insinuates is omgus reasons despite the fact I only post once between this post and his vote on me...and I do not even mention him. omguswhat?

#1191...defends his vote on me saying my Kop vote post was nonsensical (ouch), omgusing my town read (how is inferring my tr is an idiot scummy?), fency af (um...how is voting someone being fency?) and saying I haven't given my opinion on hans (which I have repeatedly). I asked this before...does an Eddie Kop team sound good?

#1238...annnnnd Kop is now probably out of the running per Eddie.

#1243...you never mention Kop as a possibility in your post 1156 despite throwing out numerous combos.

Resorting to misreps.... says I'm not answering one of his questions because I'd be good with my meta-town read (Hans) being mislynched for scum reading me? Completely false.

And would it be a mislynch? You know that?

1261 and 1267 do not prove anything. I state that I am not going to ISO and defend my town read (by my meta read on him) because 1) his replacement One doesn't deserve my attention, 2) for the benefit of someone I scum read (Eddie) and 3) for the benefit of tunnel boy. That doesn't mean I want Hans/One lynched....I'm not going to jump up and down to defend someone like you did earlier in the game with IAWS when I do not know definitely that they are town? I won't support a One wagon but I won't fall on my sword over it either.

Scum progression? What the fcuk are you even making up? There is no "progression" shown in this post. And there was no disappearing. Unlike some I do not maintain a 24/7 presence on this site.

Eddie can see a scuim!Kop. But???? What about this?

#1313...annnnnd there was no disappearing. Unlike some I do not maintain a 24/7 presence on this site. Shitty shading/misrepping by master case builder Eddie.

This gets me to this morning where I have already mentioned or responded to several Eddie post.

I'm good with my vote on him. Eddie has conveniently suspected everyone in the game other than the 2 claim roles and TwoFace who he is shares a mislynch bond. Everyone else is a solid scum suspect. Except Kop. Or maybe Kop. But don't mention it....or do.

It really was a fun crappy ISO to read. Thanks Ed!

[havingfitz]

Several posts made while I was I ISOing Eddie.

Will get to them asap.

smh at One.

[havingfitz]

when the hans replacement made a huge post and voted you, you completely ignored it which i find odd.

I've inferred what I think of One. Otherwise the time I've had has been occupied by others. I can't argue debate ever suspicion/vote that comes my way.

P.edit to TwoFace. No. Stop bitching about them. Ignore if you dislike them so much.

[havingfitz]

He had to basically be forced to scum hunt by threat of lynch, how do you tell the difference between town motivation vs survival motivation?

This isn't true. I've said I would be isoing my suspects. Don't give yourself or anyone else credit for me looking for scum.

[havingfitz]

lol yea fitz is scum this needs rope

Lol...good stuff. Convincing.

[havingfitz]

I think fitz and one are the scum team so I'll lynch either. fitz is more of a lock though so is say him firat.

I wouldn't doubt that, especially since fitz doesn't like to bus his partners

Why hasn't anyone asked me to defend my tr on You?

Are we partners?

P.edit...earth to 2face....your views aren't universal. Deal with it smh

[havingfitz]

I'll self vote myself right now if people promise to lynch Eddie tomorrow. 1) it gets rid of scum!Eddie and 2) frees me from the rampart idiocy that is in this game.

[havingfitz]

Offline for a bit...I mean disappearing.

[havingfitz]

kop who you voted and THEN looked at him and decided he's town

Lie.

[havingfitz]

I'm leaning Eddie and Kop.

One....regardless of my flip (town btw), scum and craptown are going to target you tomorrow. If you sre in fact town as I suspect...you might be better served not actually getti g rid of some not interested in lynching you. And your case on me is terrible (not that it could be good against town)...suggest you invite.

Same to TwoFace and iaws. I'm town. Avoid the mislynch.

[havingfitz]

@TwoFace
You think me and fitz are both scum?

How about unvoting me while you try to sort things out? Because you clearly don't based on the shit case you are using to vote me.



@iaws....I don't think you're a lost cause....why are you voting me? There's no need to rush a mislynch. Unvote and talk to me.

Same to you 2F. Take your blinders off and your head out of your was and unvote me. If you are in fact town.

[havingfitz]

In case the other scum does show up and hammer me...here are my current reads:

Town - iaws
Probably town - One, TwoFace, Wheme
Leaning town - imp.......horror
Leaning scum - Kop
Scum - Eddie

[havingfitz]

TwoFace....what has been suspicious about my play?

Whether or not I have done anything useful or not is as you say...your opinion. I would say I have.
Were you useful pushing CooLDoG's mislynch?
Are you being useful pushing my mislynch (which is what my lynch would be)?

If I see something I think needs corrected or apologized for I have no problem doing so. Example. I thought I was at L-1 and you were one of those voting me. I was wrong. Sorry. See? No problem. Otherwise I stand by everything I've said. It's possible I have made mistakes in this game but there is nothing I have said out of deceit.

As for you believing me...if you are town as I suspect...you have been in enough games with me to know how I play and the crap you are psuhing on me is NAI for me. And this exchange happens in every one of them. If you can't see that that's on you.

As for apologizing for casting shade on your ability to play...from my perspective and experience with you there is no reason to. If I'm today's lynch you'll have 2 mislynches on your hands. Just look at the last game we finished. iirc you push the D1 mislynch and then tunneled on me all of D2..while I fought to prevent the eventual mislynch and get people to vote with me (on scum). Then you push me again D3 and while not on my wagon at the end...are in lart part responsible for my eventual mislynch and town losing. A game I would point out that when I replaced in my top three scumreads were the scumteam.

So there is nothing wrong with my game and I have nothing I feel requires an apology.

I'm around all day. My only other game is not taking any of my time atm. If you want me to answer anything ask away.

P.edit....just seeing the 3 or 4 newer posts.

[havingfitz]

In case the other scum does show up and hammer me...here are my current reads:

Town - iaws
Probably town - One, TwoFace, Wheme
Leaning town - imp.......horror
Leaning scum - Kop
Scum - Eddie

You aren't even at l-1
Why are you leaning town on imp and horror

How can you still be town reading one off meta when his game contributions have been terrible?

POE. Only 2 scum left imo and I suspect 2 others more.
My current main knock on imp is the DRK stuff. Which I'm leery of. But it could be DRK f'ing imp over too. And as imp is at least a voice of reason when he does post...I wouldn't care to see him lynched anytime soon.
Horror feels town to me. My main knock on him is his activity level.

And if One had started the game instead of Hans I'd probably suspect the hell out of him. But for now I'm sticking to my Hans read.

[havingfitz]

This hard defense of hans/one is like the most baffling thing I've ever seen.

Whatever alignment you are fitz, I hope it was worth throwing your entire game in the crapper for a "meta town read"

I certainly can't understand it.

And you really need to explain this

What's so baffling? I town read Hans. See....easy! And having more suspicions towards others doesn't make trying to prove my tr wrong anything I'm interested in doing atm.

Can you summarize the points you find the Hans slot so overwhelmingly scummy for?

And if my read does end up right on hans/one...then I'm not throwing anything away.

[havingfitz]

TwoFace....what has been suspicious about my play?

Explained multiple times already

That's not a helpful answer. Thanks. I'll have to remember it next time you ask for something.

[havingfitz]

Jesus Christ why are people acting so stupid.

Piss off

Ahhhh....good ole TwoFace. Such a pleasure to play with.

[havingfitz]

TwoFace....what has been suspicious about my play?

Explained multiple times already

That's not a helpful answer. Thanks. I'll have to remember it next time you ask for something.

I'm not going to be helpful to my scum reads
I'm not going to be helpful to people who have refused to answer my questions
I'm not going to be helpful to people who are too lazy to go read my posts where I have already answered the question

Ok...you don't want to work with me but you give me crap for not working with Eddie. How does that even make sense to you? Oh right....TwoFace logic.

I've been answering questions today and have made myself available to answer others.

Asking players to summarize shit is not lazy. Are all your suspicions towards me laid out in a single post? If you've made such a great case on me you should know where it is.

But I'll go look since you aren't working with me or asking further questions.

[havingfitz]

I hate meta.

meta is bullshit

should now know "meta" isn't a good reason anymore

especially since fitz doesn't like to bus his partners

...smh

[havingfitz]

The question I need answered I can't find in the game thread

Has whatever question this is referring to been answered yet? If not....repost it.

[havingfitz]

wtf is one even talking about?_?

maybe fitz and one found some drugs in the scum thread

Is your mafia pr Comic?

[havingfitz]

wtf is one even talking about?_?

maybe fitz and one found some drugs in the scum thread

Is your mafia pr Bad Comic?

[havingfitz]

refuse to even reconsider your meta could be wrong, especially when implosion was giving a town read on drk for meta reasons and drk was scum.

Where did I refuse to consider hans/one is scum? They are by no means lock town. My town meta read on Hans is why I putting up with One's lousy case on me combined with the fact I suspect others more. So as usual...you jump to a wrong conclusion...an absolute...that doesn't exist. I asked for your suspicions towards the slot and you have failed to respond (iirc that is....I don't want to be branded a liar by you).

That is why you HAVE to be scum. No town should ever completely ignore game content in lieu of weak meta

There are not absolutes in mafia until the flip. More shit TwoFace logic.

[havingfitz]

1500

More quality content by Eddie.

How do you not suspect this 2f? Whoever is town.

[havingfitz]

one can u answer my question or are you going to be like your partner and ignore the thread

Der herr....how can you say I'm ignoring the thread you crappy shader?

What question of yours that I'm ignoring would you like me to consider?

P.edit....I'm writing your shit play off as you being scum too Ed. Your effort and contributions this game speak for themselves.

[havingfitz]

Has whatever question this is referring to been answered yet? If not....repost it.

no it hasn't, you have said multiple times you won't answer it.

but ok

Please explain using GAME RELATED CONTENT why you are town reading the hans/one slot.

you can't use any meta whatsoever in your read.

I have answered this question. You just fail to accept the answer. I town read Hans because of meta. In the meantime...I have become suspect of others...for game related things they have done. So why should I expend effort defending a meta town read when my time is better served finding scum?

If I had suspected Hans and gone to the trouble of isoing him...and seen content that made me think he was town I'd provide it. But I haven't iso'd him.

Comprende? Capische?

Have you presented game related content supporting your town reads?

[havingfitz]

why. have. you. disappeared. BOTH. TIMES. I. proved. you. wrong.

Why do you keep saying disappeared crappy shader?

TwoFace...have I disappeared?

[havingfitz]

lol @ your argument being "I suck but that doesn't mean I'm necessarily scum"

What is this even referring to? Are you just posting random accusations in hopes they'll stick?

[havingfitz]

yes, I have said multiple times why I think wheme, iaws, and 2f are town, without bullshit meta. I have actively defended whwme and iaws, 2f has never been at threat of being lynched so I don't need to.

hans slot is getting lynched after you regardless of your flip. this is when you should be defending your town reads. thst slot has been under pressure the whole game and you're letting it get lynched. that's not how you treat your town reads.

ALSO you FUCKING HSWKKQLWWL
"I town read hans because of meta" is NOT TOWNREADING HIM FROM SOMETHING IN THIS FAME. YOU JUST SAID YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND QUOTED SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T ANSWER IT. you have plenty of time to do one of the most garbage pbpas I've ever seen among other things and yet you can't go through the very short iso of your town read and defend it? after earlier you said you would?

I didn't ask you about your town reads Ed. Bravo to you.

I didn't say I was town reading Hans for game related content...I said I answered the question. The fact you don't like the answer I'm giving is your problem.

There's not a chance in hell that anything I dig up on Hans' content is going to change your mind so why do you keep asking for it. A gut meta read is what it is.

And I've already said I'm not going to fall on my sword defending a marginal town read whose replacement is pushing a terrible case on me. If you guys want to vote him go for it. I know 100% that I'm town so any lynch than mine fmpov is a better chance of getting scum.

[havingfitz]

Until you give me a list of non meta reasons for town hans/one I'm not answering a single fucking question you ask me.

I'm not accepting meta as a reason. Nobody should accept meta as a read. No players should use meta as a reason.

I'm not going to try and defend a gut read based on my perception that Hans' posting feels differently here.

[havingfitz]

maybe... just maybe... it's in reply to the thing I quoted? maybe...

Nope .

[havingfitz]

I'm not gonna reply to every piece of bullshit in that wall of awfulness but I just can't ignore these two

"#1035 unvotes DRK following DRK miller claim and #1063 asks for people to take it slow. LAMIST? Hoping tides change away from DRK? Why did you vote DRK in #805 Eddie? Distancing? Bussing?"
hey buddy.

1) if I'm scum I wouldn't have known drk was traitor.

additionally, I unvoted because I didn't want a self hammer and multiple of my town reads asked as much. how can you be on the site for 7 years and have /this/ much confbias? hint: you can't and you're scum.


"#985...Eddie getting into it with Stone Cold. That explains the Stone Cold NK...right Eddie?"

2) the fuck does this even mean? stone cold hasn't even expressed a scum read on me and had multiple people on line to lynch before me... this straight up makes no sense.

if youre town this is literally the /best/ example of confbias ive seen on ms. bravo. stop flailing and enjoy burning.

1 - not known 100% definitively but with the knowledge there was a traitor DRK was a pretty solid assumption.
2 - never said he scum read you. Pointing out you guys were getting into it...which it appeared you were.

[havingfitz]

Kop

and Wheme

prodded.

?

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Havingfitz

Done flopping to delay the wagon. I'm ready for this now.

Wtf are you voting me iaws? I'm not mafia. What is giving you that idea?

[havingfitz]

OK...so TwoFace is taking a break from one of his usual meltdowns and I don't really care wtf Eddie has to say, so I'll have a look at One's case on me. See what he finds so “substantial.”

One’s first dig at me is that I was

townreading his predecessor

. Which he found hard to believe because

Amish Tell

. Also...I don't recall ever saying it was "Strong". That's a bit of exaggeration iirc.

So One

...IF you are actually town...why would the first person you choose to focus on in the game be the lone person, iirc, in the game who is not scum reading you? Virtually everybody in the game wants you lynched except me...so I'm scum. Gawd this game is frustrating. First off...I'm not "whiteknighting" anything because I'm not defending your slot. Saying I have a gut meta town read on Hans is not whiteknighting. If others want to lynch you....more power to them. If you want to call it buddying...I guess the same could be said of anyone town reading you. Which as I said before...I think is no one.

As for basing a read on pure meta...as TwoFace has shown in this game....not everyone plays with the same mindset. You don't like meta? Fine. I'm not a big advocate of it myself...but I do trust my gut and my gut was telling me Hans was town based on the short time he was here. If you are town and find that so foreign then I don't know what else to say.

As for finding

my comments on Boon strange

...I wrote that catch up prior to the night resolving and I didn't edit him out. Similar to my my catch up to N3 that had Stone Cold in them. No reason to edit them out. It let's people know what I was thinking about whatever it was I commented on…whether they like it or not.

Next post....in addition to the

"buddying"

....you suspect me for

posting filler.

If by filler you mean content that isn't saying anything I would argue that is for the most part not true. Everyone makes posts that aren't explicitly aimed at scum hunting but otherwise I think much of my content has been towards finding scum or exhanges with other players. It might also just be a playstyle thing. I don't feel I've been posting any differently in this game then in any other town games I have.

Fishing….in reference to asking Boon and/or Eddie about the lover claim. I don’t see how discussing a role that had already been claimed in the game is fishing. In fact…by the time I asked about it we already had one player (CD) sentenced to hang for being upset about it being claimed (

good work there Eddie…nice pro-scum gambit that turned out to be

). So to accuse me of fishing for something that was a large topic of discussion is not accurate. You can’t fish if the fish is already out of the water.

Linking to posts in my catch ups.

Seriously? This is the stupidest reason of them all. I post primarily from my phone and it is too difficult for my catch ups to do a lot of quoting. It’s much easier to link to whatever posts caught my eye and provide comment if necessary. Apologies if this is too much work for you to read but it’s how I catch up. And anyone in here that has played with me before can most likely confirm. I know TwoFace can because he bitches about them all the time.

You go on in a later post to list my first 4 votes and label them. Not sure how this shows suspicion but lets review.
1st vote on horror you call RVS and you would be correct. NAI I assume?
2nd vote on CooLDoG you call naked (it was) because “it was the wagon to be on at the time”. Actually…the trending wagon at this point was DRK with 2 votes. CMM also had two votes. So I could have brought either of them to a 3rd vote too. I wasn’t on CD long but the time I was there was just to pressure him and try to get a better read on him. I got off his wagon before anyone else voted himwhen another player drew my suspicions.
3rd and 4th votes….not sure how putting a vote down within a wall post is suspect. Especially when some degree of reason was given for both in addition to much other content (non filler) in the wallposts.

So in summary…if I am correct…your “substantial scum read on me is due to:

townreading your predecessor

. aka

"buddying"

my post-mortem leftover comments on Boon and Stone Cold

posting filler

Linking to posts in my catch ups.

annnnd maybe because you didn’t like the way I voted people I suspected? smh…

That’s a massive heap of shit for a case with the last 3-4 points being completely based on formatting playstyle. Which is completely NAI. If you want to stand your ground because you don’t like the fact your predecessor was being town read from me for gut based on a previous game (loosely aka meta) then I can not defend that opinion. But it’s a weak one at that when you, if town, should be more concerned with the people who are finding you scummy. Because that fits scum’s agenda if you are town…while me town reading Hans, and by continuation you, does not

[havingfitz]

lol what

why should town prefer to lynch people scunreading them over scumhunting themselves

lol what

I didn't suggest this twister. Where do I tell One...or anyone else to not scumhunt?

[havingfitz]

"Where do I tell One...or anyone else to not scumhunt?"

[havingfitz]

How do you like One's "case" on me?

[havingfitz]

you don't really care wtf Eddie has to say, remember?

Slow afternoon in here. No reason to ignore a blatant misrep.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: Fitz let's lynch him

In my limited experience with you Wheme you have shown the you are utter crap at this game. Almost PL worthy.

C'mon TwoFace. Hammer for the mislynch and be sure to blame me afterwards.

[havingfitz]

BTW....I'm neighbors with iaws and TwoFace. A lousy role but if any of you prescribe to the notion one of us is likely to be scum...I guess that would reflect negatively on

shitreads

TwoFace. And I only reveal this as I assume iaws is probably the nk.

Good luck town.

P.edit. of course...TwoFace logic!

[havingfitz]

VOTE: One

Still think Eddie is scum.
I know I'm 100% town. Aside from iaws probably, I can not say the same wrt to anyone else still alive...including One. So better than a me lynch and his shit case on me makes voting him even easier.

[havingfitz]

the team is probably fitz/one and they're forced to distance now, save your breath kop

If I do eventually get lynched when I flip town I hope town wakes up to what a scummy game you've played.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: One

Still think Eddie is scum.
I know I'm 100% town. Aside from iaws probably, I can not say the same wrt to anyone else still alive...including One. So better than a me lynch and his shit case on me makes voting him even easier.

Why are you voting one?

This to me is a survival vote, one is up for a possible lynch, 2f has mentioned this, you know Eddie isn't getting lynched, in aid to survive your trying to go for someone who is also heavily suspected in hope that 2f and a few others would vote for One instead of you.

How many more times are you going to spout I'm 100% town I know this? You can keep washing it, and reposting it, isn't going to wash away all of the bad play you've played.

Because any lynch is better than mine. And lol at you criticizing my play. WTF have you done? In this or any game I've shared with you? I seriously don't know why you sign up for games.

One isn't in my top 2 suspects. You and Eddie sre...moreso Eddie.

If you think I'm scum hammer my mislynch wagon and don't shade me from the sidelines

[havingfitz]

Right now I predict I have 3 VIs and 1 scum on my wagon. We need one more of either to seal the deal. C'mon Einsteins.

[havingfitz]

Because any lynch is better than mine.

This doesn't seem like a very town thing to say. Any lynch would be better than yours? Even IAWS?

No....not even iaws. He's only slightly less confirmed town for me than I am.

Feel free to elaborate on your scum read on me. Was my summary of your "case" accurate?

So in summary…if I am correct…your “substantial scum read on me is due to:

townreading your predecessor

. aka

"buddying"

my post-mortem leftover comments on Boon and Stone Cold

posting filler

Linking to posts in my catch ups.

annnnd maybe because you didn’t like the way I voted people I suspected? smh…

That’s a massive heap of shit for a case with the last 3-4 points being completely based on formatting playstyle. Which is completely NAI. If you want to stand your ground because you don’t like the fact your predecessor was being town read from me for gut based on a previous game (loosely aka meta) then I can not defend that opinion. But it’s a weak one at that when you, if town, should be more concerned with the people who are finding you scummy. Because that fits scum’s agenda if you are town…while me town reading Hans, and by continuation you, does not

[havingfitz]

Because any lynch is better than mine.

This doesn't seem like a very town thing to say. Any lynch would be better than yours?

Even IAWS?

No....not even iaws.

He's only slightly less confirmed town for me than I am.

What?

What what? Would I vote iaws? No. Would I vote anyone else? Yes. fmpov iaws is not 100% confirmed town, 99% maybe. Fmpov I am 100% town.

[havingfitz]

VOTE: fitz

one is roped tomorrow no excuses

So Ed....do people voting both the D1 and D3 mislynches and not scum D2 warrant suspicion? Derpy derp....

P.edit....you're an incompetent asshole TwoFace. Until you learn to play stop following me into games.

[havingfitz]

It was nice having you as an honorary member of the scum team, TwoFace. It's a shame you had to replace out so soon though. We really couldn't get by without the extra member.

Ha! lol....

fitz, never play with me again please

I don't take requests. Curious...you were scum. I suspected you. What was the problem?

I realized I didn't play great but I honestly have no clue wtf fitz was doing

I agree...you did not play great and you can't read me. meh...


Thanks mod. Interesting game/set up...even though I hate neighbor roles.

Good job town bringing home the win