Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

WhemeStar · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:53 pm

In post 824, IAlwaysWinSometimes wrote:
In post 823, WhemeStar wrote:Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter
Yep terrible explanation

You're scum

IAlwaysWinSometimes · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:55 pm

In post 825, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 824, IAlwaysWinSometimes wrote:
In post 823, WhemeStar wrote:Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter
Yep terrible explanation
You're scum

Completely valid and persuasive argument

WhemeStar · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:58 pm

I shouldn't have to explain to town if their smart

VOTE: IAWS

Eddie Cane · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:08 pm

In post 823, WhemeStar wrote:Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter

because I am trying to decide if I believe you got roleblocked

WhemeStar · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:10 pm

Does the moderator usually reply to your night actions to confirm?

WhemeStar · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:10 pm

Not asking for anyone to claim here, but talking about past games

Eddie Cane · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:12 pm

usually, not always. you can pm him to clarify, just obviously don't quote his hypothetical reply here

Eddie Cane · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:15 pm

anyways wheme I think you and iaws are both town

Eddie Cane · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:18 pm

In post 826, IAlwaysWinSometimes wrote:
In post 825, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 824, IAlwaysWinSometimes wrote:
In post 823, WhemeStar wrote:Figured he is gonna be town leader. It was kinda at random and he was the only name that stuck out to me.

Why does it matter
Yep terrible explanation
You're scum
Completely valid and persuasive argument

In post 827, WhemeStar wrote:I shouldn't have to explain to town if their smart

VOTE: IAWS

aside from 826 being obnoxious he's not wrong on the surfacw

WhemeStar · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:21 pm

No he's not lol

Eddie Cane · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:25 pm

he's not what

WhemeStar · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:27 pm

Not town

IAlwaysWinSometimes · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:28 pm

Unfortunately I still think you're town, Mr. Whemey

WhemeStar · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:30 pm

My vote isn't going off of you today. I'm turning on twoface mode

IAlwaysWinSometimes · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:31 pm

In post 838, WhemeStar wrote:My vote isn't going off of you today. I'm turning on twoface mode

Fair enough. Can you at least give your thoughts on the DRK wagon though?

WhemeStar · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:34 pm

She's town prob. Thoughts later currently writing a paper due in the morning

Eddie Cane · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:37 pm

2f gives reasoning when he tunnels. you need to do that because I think iaws is my strongest tr at this point.

TwoFace · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:38 pm

In post 841, Eddie Cane wrote:2f gives reasoning when he tunnels. you need to do that because I think iaws is my strongest tr at this point.

Why is he your strongest tr?

Eddie Cane · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:39 pm

it's been progressing. sec

Eddie Cane · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:46 pm

as I said earlier, his attitude around claiming was very rown. very dumb, but it is town. at that point I think I had a moderate tr of iaws. I think even moreso than wheme he's an attractive mislyn h and he just doesn't seem to have any ulterior motives. see 792: he's very open about dissecting his wagon. that's something I ALWAYS do when I'm a major wagon as town, because imo one of the best ways to analyze is to see how reasonable people's scum arguments against town you are. in other words, if somebody has a fake read the best person to tell is the person being read. I think it was town that he went right after bad votes on his wagon. I don't really mind kops vote (neutral on it) but that's not the point. also, 824 is pretty towny, it is the exact kind of thing is expect newb town to do because on the surface it is indeed a very bad explanation. more importantly, he was smart enough to call it terrible and /not/ vote wheme which is very important.

lots of small things but I haven't seen scum motivation in any of hid posts and he hasn't pinged me a single time iirc, he was a bad wagon d1 and hes a bad wagon now if he becomes one. people like to vote newbs when newbs have completrly different tells than experienced players.

IAlwaysWinSometimes · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:04 pm

Don't appreciate you calling me dumb every time you talk about me, but you don't seem to mind so I'll let it slide

Eddie Cane · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:08 pm

I call myself dumb all the time don't worry!!

implosion · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:29 pm

Alright. Here's my current view of the game:

horrordude is town because his play late yesterday doesn't make very much sense as scum, his entrance today is very consistent with town-who-didn't-have-time-yesterday moreso than scum, the way he's interacting with twoface looks really genuine and the reasons for voting him are crap. Yes, he didn't do very much yesterday; yes, he didn't persuade you to hop of cooldog well; these are not alignment indicative.

IAWS is probably town. I agree with eddie about the way he talked about claiming sounding more town than scum.

TwoFace is town. I don't remember my specific reason for this at the moment but i had a reason when i was looking at things at work and iirc it was pretty good.

DeathRowKitty is probably town. This is more of a gut feel thing than anything in particular; her play feels much more like what I remember of her town play. Or at least, the way she's interacting with the game is more reminiscent of how she plays as town.

Wheme is still locktown.

Desully is still likely town, though this read needs some work.

Eddie also needs re-evaluation but i still think most of what he's saying pings me as town.

That leaves Kop, fitz, and hans. Of these, Kop is a great scum candidate right now because i had vague scummy vibes from cmm that i always wanted to investigate more but never got the chance to and the one thing he talked significantly about yesterday was the prospect of leading the fruit vendor which is a very easy thing for scum to make noise about in either direction and is kind of a crappy reason to scumread someone imo. fitz effectively made one post yesterday, called wheme scum and cooldog town, hasn't had any meaningful interactions really, needs to engage more. Hans is also a great scum candidate both because of lingering things from yesterday and because the boon kill points in his direction.

I'd like to engage more directly with fitz and kop and hans and hear what their take on the current game state is seeing as none have posted yet today.

horrordude0215 · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:31 pm

In post 798, Eddie Cane wrote:If you wanted to attack my case, there was a full day to do it. I was very open to discussing. AFTER he flips town is not the time to take issue with a line of argument, and I stand by what I said.

So we're only allowed to discuss cases that are presented that day? Come on Eddie.

havingfitz · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:07 am

Below are notes/comments I did yesterday while waiting for this game to open:

Catching up from week long AWOL...starting at post 322 and with the hindsight that Cooldog is town.

@Whemestar...WIFOM.

@Boon...well hello to you too. My post-v/la read on you is TBD (and I do not recall what it was before my v/la.

@imp...why is Whemestar probably town? Because of the page 1 FV softclaim? As for the opaque thing...asking me a few questions and seeing how I responded before calling me opaque was what I was getting at. And as I answered your questions I obviously noticed them. Also...the bottom paragraph of this post was spot-on. NAI but spot-on.

Textbook TwoFace...sadly.

378...from IAWS felt town to me.

@TwoFace...ffs...do you always tunnel/push mislynches on people who in some warped distorted corner of your mind committed the mortal sin of lying? Which in your case = said something you disagreed with or couldn't comprehend as being genuine/accurate/true?

@Eddie...why don't you like the post by IAWS?

@TwoFace...When you say "fitz was the only Wheme vote I was satisfied with" do you mean his vote on me was the only vote you liked or my vote on him was the only one you liked?

@imp...Wheme wasn't the person who first indicated his role was a Fruit vendor? It was his predecessor.

612...not a fan of Kop's entrance/vote on iaws. Hasn't caught up but opts for the trending wagon anyway. Why not catch up completely and have all the facts when you place your vote?

618...not a fan of imp's non-scumread vote on iaws. Also...you are comparing iaws to cd when your vote is on TwoFace. wtf?

629...Wheme thinking he deserves to be considered as confirmed town for a fruit vendor claim is BS. At no point other than his flip will his alignment be confirmed. No matter how many times people may confirm that they received fruit from him. Worthless NAI PR. Absolutely still a consideration as scum.

631...annnnnnnnnnd once again TwoFace's reads are crap on "so obviously scum" who get pushed for multiple "lies"....smh

689...not a fan of Boon jumping off an L-1 wagon on iaws to be the only person on Hans. Comes across as trying to avoid being on the mislynch (assuming iaws is town). Though he immediately moves to CooLDoG wagon which does wind up being a mislynch.

ok... 701 is the first post I can recall by Horror that I do not like. He is on the L-2 wagon of someone he suspects (iaws) but moves to another L-2 wagon on someone he absolutely doesn't want to see lynched. Why not make a final push for support on the iaws wagon? smh....bad Horror.

"o shit rekt" lol....

2F is annoying as fcuk but I think he's probably town in this game.

@Eddie...does the fact iaws is not a beginner change your opinion on his wagon?

So...as of the start of D2:

Townreads - Hans, probably TwoFace (despite consistent shit reads...aka his meta) and.......maaaybe horror (though I didn't like his end of D1). I think I was tr'ing DeSully too but can't remember why. Can't remember much of anything they did D1.

TBDs - DeathRowKitty, IAWS, imp

Suspects (inpo) - Kop, Eddie, Wheme

VOTE: Kop