Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

[Mulch]

Hey guys, will catch up once I have computer access

[Mulch]

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

VOTE: TwoFace

[Mulch]

Mario and TwoFace are my early scumreads.

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Oh and gent to an extent. Mario/Twoface/Gent

[Mulch]

I do reads based on two things: Motivation and Authenticity. Motivation: 1) Are you doing things that fit scum play 2) Are you looking at things from a townie light? Authenticity: Do you believe in what you are saying?

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Honestly I really like your response to this. I will explain my scumreads on Mario, GEnt, and you in a bit. But I think this is a natural reaction for town!twoface to have.

VOTE: Mario

tbh I am happier here

[Mulch]

Jord was actually very suspicious, I probably would have scumread him too if I had replaced into a different town spot.

I think Mario could get lynched today, if I can make a good enough case on him

[Mulch]

What? lol

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What? lol

You did what's called the amished tell. Criticizing your predecessor is considered by a bunch of people as a legitimate scum tell. I personally don't think it's a good tell but I can't really remember seeing someone do it and as town.

If you're town you've confirmed my theory that town would also do it(cause I certainly would if I felt someone I replaced was scummy) but I'll have a 2nd example

If you are scum you've hurt my future arguments

You've got a new test subject then. Why is it scummy? Jordarrian threw the worst vote ever out and had zero authenticity

[Mulch]

I'm actually going to UNVOTE: for now.

The things that originally pinged me about Marioo are this: but he got progressively better as the game went on. My thoughts here for whoever wants to see it.

Spoiler:

In posts 13 and 26, he memes but posts the same meme twice. This isn't suspicious but something that I want to note, because often times when I am scum I have trouble sounding natural in the meme phase. Of course, nothing concrete here.
In post 29, he jumps on someone for not doing a vote. I get that this is a classic scumhunt, but that's my problem with it here. He is acting aggresive, which is good, but it's for literally the easiest reason that anyone could think of.
In post 36, he gives a pretty weird explanation. So, the background for this post is that he voted LaLight before, something I thought was a meme. It turns out it wasn't, but it really really did seem like one. The fact that here he felt the need to explain his vote on Lalight is weird, although I like the fact that he did not feel the need to explain why he thought someone was scummy.

[Mulch]

Ok. What do you think about my thoughts on Mario from his opening?

[Mulch]

It's not very in depth, and I don't really scumread him anymore, it's just small thoughts about stuff he did in the beginning that pinged me

[Mulch]

VOTE: Mush

[Mulch]

I think you are scum. Why do you think I am genuine? Answer quickly and with your true thoughts.

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Do you prioritize those values?

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Do you think scumhunting is something town would do more than mafia in a nutshell?

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Then why have you not scumread anyone so far? You have townread a LOT of people, once shaded someone for not doing scumreads, then said ita gain, but your best push is voting gent for "voting without a reason."

[Mulch]

Why do you scumread Lalight again?

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his 2nd post was pointless fluff. he disappeared when he was called out on it, returned to buddy up to the two players dominating the thread at the time. i called him out on this, he said he wasn't buddying he was just townreading. he has done nothing else since.

doesn't look town to me.

Fair. Would you be willing to wagon LaLight with me?

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TBH my gut is telling me that you are scum right now mush :/

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Well, it was more of a rhetorical question tbh, I think my vote is staying on mush for now

[Mulch]

I don't like how he townread me there. I am very suspicious of townreads on me because in my experience scum like to buddy a lot more than they like to get into conflicts. I understand Mush's reasoning but the little bit of white knighting with pretty weak reasoning wasn't good. I also don't like how unauthentic he seems with his posts.

[Mulch]

But you don't really have good reasons for mush.

And after I ridiculed your original scum list you have now sense abandoned it.

Neither really make much sense from a town perspective

Well, your reaction to me and your aggresive behavior RN is making me townread you more and more. I don't think Mario is out of the clear yet- but his posts after the weird pings I got in the beginning are much better than I would have expected

[Mulch]

I don't like how he townread me there. I am very suspicious of townreads on me because in my experience scum like to buddy a lot more than they like to get into conflicts. I understand Mush's reasoning but the little bit of white knighting with pretty weak reasoning wasn't good. I also don't like how unauthentic he seems with his posts.

"unauthentic" could you explain that a bit more to me?

i would be down for a lalight wagon yes

I usually get ridiculed when talking about it, but it's 1) A feeling you get when reading posts and 2) subtleies that suggest you are either not 100% or don't want to seem 100% sure in your speak. Small word choices. ETC.

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TwoFace why are you townreading mush?

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TwoFace why are you townreading mush?

I'm not

Wagon with me or not?

[Mulch]

I don't like how he townread me there. I am very suspicious of townreads on me because in my experience scum like to buddy a lot more than they like to get into conflicts. I understand Mush's reasoning but the little bit of white knighting with pretty weak reasoning wasn't good. I also don't like how unauthentic he seems with his posts.

"unauthentic" could you explain that a bit more to me?

i would be down for a lalight wagon yes

I usually get ridiculed when talking about it, but it's 1) A feeling you get when reading posts and 2) subtleies that suggest you are either not 100% or don't want to seem 100% sure in your speak. Small word choices. ETC.

Could you point out a post of mine and tell me why it's "unauthentic"? I'm still unsure of what it means.

It's more of a gutfeel than anything, man. If you want I can give you posts but you have to FEEL it's unauthentic

[Mulch]

TwoFace why are you townreading mush?

I'm not

Wagon with me or not?

You're still my 2nd highest scum read so no

Why again?

[Mulch]

Well, how else would you like me to explain my reads?
Besides this, what scum motivation would I have for not explaining my reads?
What scum motivation would Jordarrian have for not answering your questions?
What scum motivation would I have for lying about how I read?
What scum motivation woild I have to attack unconventional people like Mario?
What scum motivation woild I have for detailing out the scummy posts in the begging I saw with Mario?
What scum motivation would I have for changing votes when I realized my first impression was wrong?
Whay scum motivation would I have for not impressing you?

[Mulch]

@twoface

[Mulch]

Not sure, in a sense, sort of, will elaborate later when have access to computer

@drag

[Mulch]

I cam answer and catch up later but dragon is my top town read atm

[Mulch]

Well, how else would you like me to explain my reads?
Besides this, what scum motivation would I have for not explaining my reads?
What scum motivation would Jordarrian have for not answering your questions?
What scum motivation would I have for lying about how I read?
What scum motivation woild I have to attack unconventional people like Mario?
What scum motivation woild I have for detailing out the scummy posts in the begging I saw with Mario?
What scum motivation would I have for changing votes when I realized my first impression was wrong?
Whay scum motivation would I have for not impressing you?

1. Scum can't scum hunt so explaining reads leaves a trail that can be tracked later. It's harder to keep your lies straight and sound convincing if you are doing a good job explaining things.
2. Same as 1
3. To make yourself sound good
4. Cause I could actually see people considering Mario. He's trying to tunne like I do but he's not on my level.
5. To make yourself look like you are scum hunting
6. To make yourself look town and infallible
7. I actually think you are trying to impress me. Explaining your read on Mario and trying to ge me to vote with you are clear attempts to get me to change my read on you. Unfortunately what you've added isn't good enough yet.

1. I can assure you that I am a good enough scum player to bullshit reads if I needed to.
2. Why would Jordarrian be so obvious though?
3. Thanks!
4. Then why did you say my reads were bad on him? lol
5. Good thing you picked up on that
6. Thanks!
7. Correct

[Mulch]

I'm pretty sure your top 2 scumreads are town, TwoFace

[Mulch]

Mush+mario scumteam?

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I ISO'd Ingeel and this, this and this is they townreading a variety of different people and here is a scumhunting. Yeah, this is not a mistake, there's no link. There's no scumhunting whatsoever. But everyone is town

GREAT post

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I ISO'd Ingeel and this, this and this is they townreading a variety of different people and here is a scumhunting. Yeah, this is not a mistake, there's no link. There's no scumhunting whatsoever. But everyone is town

GREAT post

The one thing I can say is that I think scum tend to scumread one person at a time and say TvS a lot, not really TvT

[Mulch]

Town: LaLight, TwoFace, Mulch, Dannyboy, Dragonius
Scum: Mush, Mario, Sheep, BtD
Null: Syndesis, Trugent, I am innocent
Need to read over more: Ingeel

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UNVOTE:

I actually really liked that last post from Mush.

Ok, VOTE: Mario

My vote is coming back here again. You just townread 2 more people

[Mulch]

Where did I misrepresent Ingeel? And how did I slam him? Do you not think having no scum reads and only calling people town is not suspicious?

I did go on to say TwoFace was leaning town where as your latest posts makes me think your scum.

@Mulch Why do you think I am town while many here would say they were happy to lynch me?

I think your minset is in a townie mindset. It's that simple. You also have the correct reaction to presure- defensive. Your question here further reinforces this.

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UNVOTE:

I actually really liked that last post from Mush.

Ok, VOTE: Mario

My vote is coming back here again. You just townread 2 more people

like actually what is this post
you're scumreading me for townreading a post you are also townreading

Why aren't you pushing me on it then?

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Why do I like the post from Mush, or why do I scumread you? Which do you not understand?

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@mulch I'd really like to get a wagon on Lalight going, can you explain your townread on him?

Because he is looking for the right things when he scumreads people I believe. Mush, what's your read on Mario?

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Why do I like the post from Mush, or why do I scumread you? Which do you not understand?

mostly the latter
I don't understand how you could look at mush's post and call it town, then look at me calling it town and then call me scum for it

Because you only townread people and avoid confrontations. Also, you aren't reacting right now in a townie way to a scumread that you think is bullshit. You would have pressed me on it

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I think Mario is scum. He is my strongest scumread right now.

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Why do I like the post from Mush, or why do I scumread you? Which do you not understand?

mostly the latter
I don't understand how you could look at mush's post and call it town, then look at me calling it town and then call me scum for it

Because you only townread people and avoid confrontations. Also, you aren't reacting right now in a townie way to a scumread that you think is bullshit. You would have pressed me on it

1. that is the most blatantly untrue thing I have heard all game
2. Why do you think that is indicative of me being scum and not indicative of you not correctly predicting an action a townie would take? Why do you think everyone would react in the same way?

1. Explain
2. I don't understand

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1. Quickchange of topic- What are your responses to my early attack on you? Also, the way you said "extended confrontation" makes me scumread you more. It makes it seem like you were not scumread him really but just wanted a "confrontation"
2. I still don't understand

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Danny, you are looking for scum in the right places and with a townie mindset. What you are doing can barely be faked as scum and you are common mislynch bait.

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Because you only townread people and

avoid confrontations

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Also, have we been reading the same game?

Yes, he pushes the easiest people

[Mulch]

Oh God, Drag is literally my perfect townie with the most perfect town mindset in the world. I guess the only read we basically disagree with each other on is LaLight, I would much rather wagon Mario

[Mulch]

VOTE: TwoFace

I skimmed your iso, didn't see anything concrete about this vote. Explain?

?

It's a wrong vote I think. He's in my town reads now

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Oh God, Drag is literally my perfect townie with the most perfect town mindset in the world. I guess the only read we basically disagree with each other on is LaLight, I would much rather wagon Mario

I would like to hear more about this. While I think Dragnalus's actions have been pretty townie so far, if they're as experienced as they say, that's probably not as AI as I first thought.

Tbh I haven't even being paying attention to experience

[Mulch]

Who would be up for a sheep wagon?

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Alright Mulch.
You say that my reaction is scummy because you think I should have been defensive.
What makes you think I should have been defensive? Why do you think that as town, I would be defensive, whereas as scum, I would not?

Mulch could you answer this post please?

There are 3 cases possible here.

Case 1: You are town and think I am a misguided townie.

Case 2: You are town and think I am scum trying to push a mislynch on you.

Case 3: You are scum and are nervous I am scumreading you.

From your reactions, you totally do not get at ALL why I am scumreading you. Yet you are not pushing me on the so called bullshit logic you think I am. Therefore, it must not be case 2. The only two cases left are cases 1 and 3. If it were case 1, you would be frustrated that a townie is calling you out on bullshit logic, and would not vote me (which is true) but also be like "WTF are you doing man!"

The problem with your reactions is that they fit neither under case 1 or case 2.

[Mulch]

Meanwhile, being calm while also trying to dissaude me logically is textbook case 3

[Mulch]

LaLight is scummier, ergo, he takes priority. If LaLight is town I will probably go to my 2nd options, which include mush.

Vote mario with me. We both think in almost the exact same wáy, I want you to trust me on this one

[Mulch]

VOTE: Mario

Not sure if I did yet

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Sheep what are your thoguhts on mario

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VOTE: MarioVOTE: MarioVOTE: Mario

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lol

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Mario, do you think I am scum? Or not?

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Did it ever cross your mind that I might be scum trying to push a mislynch on you?

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What made you think I am town rather than scum trying to push a mislynch on you?

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What made you think I am town rather than scum trying to push a mislynch on you?

The way you're pushing me fells sincere and I think it's unlikely scum would choose to attack me rather than somebody more inactive.

Why does it feel sincere?

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What made you think I am town rather than scum trying to push a mislynch on you?

The way you're pushing me fells sincere and I think it's unlikely scum would choose to attack me rather than somebody more inactive.

Why does it feel sincere?

I don't know.

So, when you said you did not understand my reasoning before, were you lying? Or did you not understand my reasoning and still think it was sincere?

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Ok. Good answers. Mario, would you be willing to wagon cooperative sheep?

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Before I explain, would you be willing to wagon sheep here? Before I even make my case

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And who knows if I even scumread sheep here, perhaps I just want your answer

[Mulch]

I'm going to reevaluate the game, one second

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VOTE: MarioFuck it I'll go with my first scum reaction

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Me? Which ones?

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I never actually reread and reevaluated the game lol

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Howeve rI really like Alisae's push on Mario, it makes sense to me, and also I reread Mario's posts and I can literally see them all coming from a scum light .

Besides, my first gutread when I came in was Mario scum, and those are usually right

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It's actually quite good. Besides, I realized that my gut was wrong with you soon enough

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If you are still scumreading me you've got problems tbh in the read sense. @Twoface you literally were getting scumread by the entire game when I also scumread you, your responses showed you clear town. mario was literally getting TOWNRead by the rest of the town.

You are town who just said 2 wrong statements and are wrong about me.

[Mulch]

Twoface if you are scumreading me you have problems and probably can't admit you are wrong.

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Sorry, I promised myself that on this site I would be nicer than on ToS forums.

What I meant to say: Twoface, I think you may be misguided, because I have proven myself to be in a very townie light. Thanks. I still don't really get why you are scumreading me anyway- care to explain?

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Twoface if you are scumreading me you have problems and probably can't admit you are wrong.

Just ignore him. You aren't getting anything out of talking to him.

Nice buddy, i would scumread you for it but I like your reads

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It is sometimes, and I am particularly wary of it in general

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For me because I am aggresive scum love to try to pocket me so I am particularly wary

[Mulch]

TwoFace how can you be so obviously town and yet so obviously misguided? It's not hard to understand: Drag has literally the same reads as me and the same mentality as me and I love him

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It dosen't to me. TwoFace I think we are both town badly, although to be fair that post he made does ring a little weird. But idc at the moment anymore because he is voting mario.

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Alisae if I respond to what you are saying would you even consider me as town? Because when you tunnelled on me in your first catchup post to the point where you would accuse me of lying about myself to gain advantage in an online game, I'm not entirely sure there's any point.

This was the most honest post I have ever seen you write.
Good job.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alisae

[Mulch]

VOTE: Mario

But actually alisae that post wasn't even that good and you were hard pressing him before, what's up?

[Mulch]

You sure?

[Mulch]

Can you give examples to where he did not seem to have intent?

[Mulch]

I personally think this is TvT. I think Mario is scum and I want IAI's read on him. Alisae, are you willing to wagon Mario still?

[Mulch]

Yes they do.

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VOTE: IaI

Hey buddy, why do you think Mario is town? And why are you scumreading one of the most townie players in the game?

[Mulch]

Please give me a quick answer on why Mario is town or I am going to assume you are talking out of your ass

[Mulch]

Fair enough. I like your answers UNVOTE:

I think you and Alisae are TvT. And yes, sorry about the harshness. I am much more harsh in my home site but I have tried to make a promise to be nice these days

[Mulch]

Alisae's posts scream authenticity in my opinion, except for their one vote on Mario.

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Unvote*

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Can you please wagon Mario, pretty please, one post dosent mean much and I don't even think his tone was good there

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Alisae's posts scream authenticity in my opinion, except for their one vote on Mario.

Why isn't alisea trying to find where my reads come from vs just attacking me?

Is this more likely to come from town alisea or scum alisea?

Neither, illogical behavior or illogical reads are NAI.

[Mulch]

Unvote*

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[Mulch]

Townbloc: Mulch, Alisae, I am Innocent, TwoFace

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Mulch, what do u think about drags lack of scum reads?

he has lack of scumreads? Let me recheck his ISO, that is bad if so. But tbh his reads like exactly mirror mine right now and voting mario too which is all I really could want of him

[Mulch]

He eventually came up with scum reads, even said he was willing to work with his #3 scum read to get #1 scum read lynched lol

That's definitely not a townie mentality especially cause he said if it ends in a town flip he's basically blaming his #3 instead of taking responsibility for himself

True. But um..is the #1 scumread Mario? Cause then it's fine lol

[Mulch]

There are 2 things to look for in scum. Motivation (#1) and authenticity (#2, much less). Mario's #2 is lacking hugely.

I'm not gonna lie, it DID cross my mind that Drag could be Mario's scumnbuddy that put him as slight scum to distance in case Mario flipped but then didn't expect to get pressured to have Mario lynched, which is why the pressure I put on him to vote Mario had resistance.

What do you think about that theory

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No, I work with scumreads if they hit on bigger scumreads, sort of like a fish food chain. But your points make sense actually tbh lol. It also bothered me that Dragon didn't pounce on me for scummily sheeping him.

Dragon+Mario? Thoughts?

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There are 2 things to look for in scum. Motivation (#1) and authenticity (#2, much less). Mario's #2 is lacking hugely.

Drag has scum motivation and absolutely no authenticity yet you town read him.

So that's twice I've caught you not following your own logic

Illogicalness is NAI.

[Mulch]

Drag's way of finding reads SCREAMS authenticity because they are eerily similar to mine, which are 100% authentic.

[Mulch]

Illogicalness is NAI.

It absolutely is when you are using this logic to determine reads that directly impact the game.

Nope. In fact, logic is literally based on skill level. Better players=better logic, no matter what their allignment.

[Mulch]

Also, why do you think I would call Drag my "highest town read" if I was his scumbuddy?

[Mulch]

Illogicalness is NAI.

It absolutely is when you are using this logic to determine reads that directly impact the game.

Nope. In fact, logic is literally based on skill level. Better players=better logic, no matter what their allignment.

So you are a beginner?

Well...my logic is considered to be bad by many lol, so yes I am bad in that skill level department. But I'm generally good at finding scum so :shrug

[Mulch]

Also, why do you think I would call Drag my "highest town read" if I was his scumbuddy?

Already explained this earlier.

If it makes you feel better he's not my highest town read right now

[Mulch]

Well...my logic is considered to be bad by many lol, so yes I am bad in that skill level department. But I'm generally good at finding scum so :shrug

So if I assume you are town, I guess you are having an off game?

How many games have you buddies scum before? Besides this one I mean.

"off game." No, Mario is scum so...

In terms of buddying scum: I'm more of a bussing kind of guy, so you should be wary when Mario flips scum

[Mulch]

True. I'm pretty good in my last site though, and this site my first game was scum lol

[Mulch]

I'm pretty sure you know I am town TwoFace in your soul

[Mulch]

I need to reevaluate drag but I dont understand how you can TR mario

[Mulch]

Well, do you think it's possible Drag is scum trying to distance his scumbuddy? (Or me?)

Dude, I have NEVER made an excuse to get off his wagon and I am pressing him HARD right now. Notice how I am not scumreading you for using incorrect logic

[Mulch]

The alisae vote was an obvious meme and the IaI vote was pressure. Also, thanks

VOTE: Mario

[Mulch]

Anyway if we both are scum then if you vote him then he would be scum and you can deal with me later, right?

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Why do you have to give a reason for a meme vote? Same thing. Avoiding confrontation, trying to get people to wagon him without directly talking to person he wagons. There is no point to saying this. Why even announce the reasons, plus this totally gutreads no authenticity. Like why do you have to be mechanically saying "This is scum. ABC. This is why I am voting him." So you are a robot, right? Beep boop this is how town is supposed to act, right? 44 46 and 50 why are you repeating it 3X? So the rest of the town can make sure why you are voting someone so you aren't scumread? Right. 58 what does this even mean. 63 so mechanical it's making my eyes hurt. why are you doing this in the 3rd person?? UP TO 78 THIS IS ACTUALLY insane, why the hell do you keep voting him?beep boop. So, this is your way of trying to shade my predeccesor without actually confonting former me. Possibly the only townie motivation post here yet the tone is fake119 OF COURSE You back off. 146 Didn't you JUST SAY that you were being too harsh on me?. 153 WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS. THis is horrible Just so you can change later in the game, right?Your covering your ass then for later game? 368 So you have resorted to picking on the least scummy person in the world. 372 ???. So you TR mush prob cause hes actually town yet you aren't sold on Lalight being scum so WHY DID YOU Just vote him. 412 "Like what is this post." Shade much? Are you REALLY sure you can't understand? Oh and apparently another excuse is that you are "bad at explaining things" In what way is this a defense? You scumread Drag yet aren't voting him. I wonder why. 480 482 484 486 488 I caught him in logic for those that dig that. One final reminder that I am a robot

TBH I can actually totally see a Mario+Drag scumteam here. He is harsh on Drag and NOBODY else. I actually REALLY like this theory right now. Drag even scumreads Lalight too, yet they BOTH vote Lalight even though they are enemies in the chat?

I am EXUBERANT for my detective skills. I am calling you add. Drag and Mario, you are both scum, and you are scumbuddies.

[Mulch]

I am like at least 75% sure that I have solved the game right here. Drag and Mario are scumbuddies

[Mulch]

Your hopeless, I think I just solved the game and you are refusing to listen to me. Postgame I am going to bring up this very post and will teach you how you are wrong in how you look for scum. How DO you look for scum?

[Mulch]

You aren't hopeless, sorry, that was mean. But...you have to look at intent and authenticity for people. Not logic. Scum will always be able to make up logic

[Mulch]

And no, town would not do those things. Town would be more free and not think about what they say

[Mulch]

He was my perfect townie because he had my perfect reads, except he showed resistance to voting mario despite scumreading him and I think I know why now.

Why in the world do you think scum are more likely to change their minds than town? But I am going to stop talking to you. I need to show my post to people that will understand me, and you obviously have marked me as scum and are not going to "listen to scumreads" as you said.

[Mulch]

But to be quite honest he is not 100% scum, Mario is near 100% scum, Drag I THINK is the scumbuddy.

[Mulch]

Authenticity is hard to judge. You are fine to scumread me; idc because I am not getting lynched anyway. But as we progress through the game you will need to understand that changing your mind is not an example of inauthenticity.

Now, I am going to paste my Mario thing again here, so people can see it on the new page and it is not lost


Also, hypocracy is not allignment indicative, TwoFace (small PEDIT here)

[Mulch]

Why do you have to give a reason for a meme vote? Same thing. Avoiding confrontation, trying to get people to wagon him without directly talking to person he wagons. There is no point to saying this. Why even announce the reasons, plus this totally gutreads no authenticity. Like why do you have to be mechanically saying "This is scum. ABC. This is why I am voting him." So you are a robot, right? Beep boop this is how town is supposed to act, right? 44 46 and 50 why are you repeating it 3X? So the rest of the town can make sure why you are voting someone so you aren't scumread? Right. 58 what does this even mean. 63 so mechanical it's making my eyes hurt. why are you doing this in the 3rd person?? UP TO 78 THIS IS ACTUALLY insane, why the hell do you keep voting him?beep boop. So, this is your way of trying to shade my predeccesor without actually confonting former me. Possibly the only townie motivation post here yet the tone is fake119 OF COURSE You back off. 146 Didn't you JUST SAY that you were being too harsh on me?. 153 WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS. THis is horrible Just so you can change later in the game, right?Your covering your ass then for later game? 368 So you have resorted to picking on the least scummy person in the world. 372 ???. So you TR mush prob cause hes actually town yet you aren't sold on Lalight being scum so WHY DID YOU Just vote him. 412 "Like what is this post." Shade much? Are you REALLY sure you can't understand? Oh and apparently another excuse is that you are "bad at explaining things" In what way is this a defense? You scumread Drag yet aren't voting him. I wonder why. 480 482 484 486 488 I caught him in logic for those that dig that. One final reminder that I am a robot

TBH I can actually totally see a Mario+Drag scumteam here. He is harsh on Drag and NOBODY else. I actually REALLY like this theory right now. Drag even scumreads Lalight too, yet they BOTH vote Lalight even though they are enemies in the chat?

I am EXUBERANT for my detective skills. I am calling you add. Drag and Mario, you are both scum, and you are scumbuddies.

I need other responses other than Twoface who can't get over the fact that I changed my mind on a read. To be honest, Twoface, scum are more likely to focus on one read and not change their mind :/

[Mulch]

Twoface, scum are more likely to focus on one read and not change their mind :/

So is this you saying you think I'm scum?

Of course not. Please, stop asking me questions until other people come on and read my post.

[Mulch]

I hope not

[Mulch]

Would you mind doing Mario then drag?

[Mulch]

K do you disagree with my post

[Mulch]

I'm willing to wagon drag if people really do not see how obvious scum Mario is

[Mulch]

Sheep have you been reading what I said or are you purposefully ignoring them!

[Mulch]

Mario completely ignored my entire post attacking him. Why can nobody see how obvious he is

[Mulch]

Spoiler:

Why do you have to give a reason for a meme vote? Same thing. Avoiding confrontation, trying to get people to wagon him without directly talking to person he wagons. There is no point to saying this. Why even announce the reasons, plus this totally gutreads no authenticity. Like why do you have to be mechanically saying "This is scum. ABC. This is why I am voting him." So you are a robot, right? Beep boop this is how town is supposed to act, right? 44 46 and 50 why are you repeating it 3X? So the rest of the town can make sure why you are voting someone so you aren't scumread? Right. 58 what does this even mean. 63 so mechanical it's making my eyes hurt. why are you doing this in the 3rd person?? UP TO 78 THIS IS ACTUALLY insane, why the hell do you keep voting him?beep boop. So, this is your way of trying to shade my predeccesor without actually confonting former me. Possibly the only townie motivation post here yet the tone is fake119 OF COURSE You back off. 146 Didn't you JUST SAY that you were being too harsh on me?. 153 WHY DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THIS. THis is horrible Just so you can change later in the game, right?Your covering your ass then for later game? 368 So you have resorted to picking on the least scummy person in the world. 372 ???. So you TR mush prob cause hes actually town yet you aren't sold on Lalight being scum so WHY DID YOU Just vote him. 412 "Like what is this post." Shade much? Are you REALLY sure you can't understand? Oh and apparently another excuse is that you are "bad at explaining things" In what way is this a defense? You scumread Drag yet aren't voting him. I wonder why. 480 482 484 486 488 I caught him in logic for those that dig that. One final reminder that I am a robot

TBH I can actually totally see a Mario+Drag scumteam here. He is harsh on Drag and NOBODY else. I actually REALLY like this theory right now. Drag even scumreads Lalight too, yet they BOTH vote Lalight even though they are enemies in the chat?

I am EXUBERANT for my detective skills. I am calling you add. Drag and Mario, you are both scum, and you are scumbuddies.

I need other responses other than Twoface who can't get over the fact that I changed my mind on a read. To be honest, Twoface, scum are more likely to focus on one read and not change their mind :/

I'm posting this for a THIRD time because FIVE people just posted without responding to it. Wtf

[Mulch]

Mario wont even respond to my post. Twoface please trust me for once, please, you can lynch me if I am wrong, I am very confident on this

[Mulch]

Mario completely ignored my entire post attacking him. Why can nobody see how obvious he is

There is a reason for that. Your post is confbiased to the most extreme degree I have ever seen.

It's not biased. Respond.

[Mulch]

VOTE: Drag

[Mulch]

I am very confident in my gamesolve that him and mario are scumbuddies

[Mulch]

My gut is sometimes wrong. I'm not going to flaunt my gut. But right now I think there is a very high chance that Mario and Drag are scumbuddies. I am willing to lynch Drag if nobody wants to do Mario

[Mulch]

Then vote Mario? At this point IDC who I vote as long as either Drag or Mario is lynched so my theory is confirmed

[Mulch]

OMFG you think that town can't change yourr mind, I am going to go off this thread before I get angry, you have a twisted mentality on what is scum or town. TOWN changes their mind a shitton more than scum

[Mulch]

Are you going to vote Mario? Or not. If not, I need your support because I refuse to lynch someone other than drag or Mario

[Mulch]

VOTE: IAI
Those reads are terrible.

Is terrible = scummy?

2 of those 4 i am on record saying I agree with so they aren't terrible. And if he thinks you are scummy for them he's a hypocrite cause he should think I'm scummy for agreeing with at least half of them.

That's not how any of this works

You're right. Scum reading somebody for having different reads is bad. Voting to lynch them for it is terrible. That's one of the reasons why I'm down for an Alisae lynch

With the same logic you shouldn't be voting alisae- for bad logic huh?

Stop. Alisae is very town, drag and Mario are scum, vote one of them

[Mulch]

Like all 4 of those questions are great questions.

I will say some people feel that people always playing catchup are usually scum. That said my one game I was scum I was always catching up but that was just unfortunate coincidence considering there were holidays during that time.

Alisae reads don't seem genuine to me at all, that's another reason he's suspicious to me.

The part about Sheep, I hadn't really tried to put a word or phrase to describe his play but yeah that armchair feels about right.

I do think mulch explained his switch on you, however I don't really agree. He seems like he's trying to force a narrative to get me to consider Mario as scum. I think he thinks if he can get me to think you're partners I'll be more willing to vote him and when that didn't work he got aggravated and even aggressive towards me.

What do you want me to do man, I've voted your top scunrrad, I've answered every single goddamn question, I've painstakingly went through all of Mario's posts to show what I am saying, so you really blame me for being frustrated when I think i have solved the game for 2 people and you call it an "agenda"? Wtf? What possible "agenda" could I as scum have for this? Open your mind and stop being so stubborn, 99% of the time scum is not caught with logic, which is 100% dependent on skill level, it is more subtle than that

[Mulch]

How about Mario or Drag, because they are scumbuddies?

[Mulch]

Explain why my Mario case is bulshit

[Mulch]

oy that hurts

[Mulch]

Why arent you scumreaidng me then for a bullshit read?

[Mulch]

Good answer imo. Why are you twnreading Mario again?

[Mulch]

Lalight is ez mislynch bait

[Mulch]

I guess I should check out his ISO *sigh*

[Mulch]

Áctually I'm not. Both of my scumreads are saying Lalight is scum which makes him town enough for me

[Mulch]

Im down for an IaI lynch as a third option

[Mulch]

I want to wagon syndesis

[Mulch]

Over ingeel. My two scumreada have barely interacted with syndesis while they are pushing ingeel

[Mulch]

Mario>Drag>syndesis>Ingeel

[Mulch]

Mario, if Laliight is town then what would you say to my perspective of you

[Mulch]

Well, others will just have to interpret that statement you just made as they wish

[Mulch]

Do you guys want to have me make a new case on Mario? Or are you so convinced he is town it wont matter?

[Mulch]

WHy does everyone you say haev like "quite" @syndesis

[Mulch]

Plz vote mario with me

[Mulch]

We lynch drag and then a vig shoots Mario, scumbuddies gone

[Mulch]

BTD getting defensive over being shot is scummy, but I still like IAI more.

No it isn't.

Why aren't you voting Mario again?

[Mulch]

When drag flips scum you shoot Mario

[Mulch]

And if drag flips town you shoot me and then get Mario tommorow.

[Mulch]

Mario, afraid to hammer your scum buddy?

[Mulch]

The day is almost over, I don't want to no lynch

[Mulch]

We need 7 votes on drag. This is the wagon for today. If people stall for a no lynch and then drag flips scum you are scum claiming. We need more votes

[Mulch]

We can't Mario because we don't have enough votes. Stop scum claiming

[Mulch]

I townread him because the two scumbuddies scumread him. Easy

[Mulch]

Sorry to hear that

[Mulch]

So we getting Drag?

[Mulch]

*ignores Lalight*

[Mulch]

Remember, if drag is scum vig Mario, ,if drag is town vig me then get mario

[Mulch]

"if drag is scum vig the person aggresively pushing him and confirming that him and Mario are scum"

[Mulch]

I do like bussing, but why would I do that if I can push a mislynch on Lalight. Logic slip?

[Mulch]

Listen people I am going to say it 2 times: I am not scumreading Drag. I am scumreading Mario, almost 100% sure that Mario is scum, and Mario interacts with Drag DRASTICALLY differently than with everyone else. Therefore, I think there is a greater than equal chance that Drag is SCUMBUDDIES with mario. I am voting Drag because I think that chance is so high to incriminate Mario AND drag. There is no other logic to it. Why the FUCK would I bus him at this moment? I would 100% switch to Mario now if I could. I want to lynch Mario. TwoFace you are so wrong it actually hurts that I would bus in this obvious way when I have been saying QUITE CLEARLY my thought process. Is drag scummy? A little, not too much. BUT He is scum parthers with Mario

[Mulch]

I do like bussing, but why would I do that if I can push a mislynch on Lalight. Logic slip?

so light is a mislynch?

I have no idea

[Mulch]

I do like bussing, but why would I do that if I can push a mislynch on Lalight. Logic slip?

Pretty much

every

time there is a bus, there is a viable town alternative.

So you think that I am bussing Drag, when I could easily hop on your wagon of Lalight? :thonk:

[Mulch]

How about you Mario voting Drag? Why did you do that if you don't think we are running out of days? You just told me this morning we have plenty of time. There is no logical reason for you to vote Drag according to your own logic.

[Mulch]

Ok. We will lynch Drag, he will pop scum, then we get Mario after.

[Mulch]

I do like bussing, but why would I do that if I can push a mislynch on Lalight. Logic slip?

so light is a mislynch?

I have no idea

I was confused cause you just said he was

If Drag+Mario are scum, then definitely,I highly doubt they would 3X bus

[Mulch]

Ill check and get back to you

[Mulch]

Mush could you quickswitch to mario? (In theory, if Drag claims like dayvig LOL)

[Mulch]

U know wha tI mean

[Mulch]

Would you?

[Mulch]

Flips scum = Bye bye mario

[Mulch]

TwoFace can you PLEASE agree to lynch mario if this flips scum considering all I have pointed out?

[Mulch]

Well Mario is scum no matter what you are so..

[Mulch]

It's true

[Mulch]

But I think you both are scumbuddies

[Mulch]

If not then well at least Mario was right, vig me or him

[Mulch]

Alisae and Mulch both lost town points in my universe from this recent exchange.

I never said I was hot

[Mulch]

The point is that I didn't need the shade you were throwing my way

[Mulch]

Nobody should think I am mafia realistically.

[Mulch]

Well, because my motivation for everything is townie and I don't care about opinion on me. And I take stances

[Mulch]

Doubtful

[Mulch]

There is remarkably little town motivation for tunnelling a townie and lynching random people for "being their partner".

I agree with that

How can I be tunneling a townie if Mario is scum :thinking

[Mulch]

Deal

[Mulch]

Ywall decided to wagon someone when they were on V/LA
99% of the time that happens to town.
but whatever
intent.

This is sus if drag flips town BTW

[Mulch]

I gave you an entire thing

[Mulch]

?