Mini Normal 1909: Girls ♥ Girls 1 ~ Endgame

[Ginngie]

I replace myself with me

[Ginngie]

First off, I like this post as SvT.

Spoiler:

Firstly, my understanding of your point is that you seem to think town is more likely to catch up. This appears to be based more off of what you yourself do, as well as an intuitive guess. Applying it to me seems a reasonable step. My issue is that this seems to be more effort-based than anything else. The logic here is that scum don't want to try as hard, whereas town is eager to, which is a bit of a fallacy. The goal of most scum players is to seem town, which comes via effort and reading etc, which gets you into a bit of a circular loop. I realize it's a bit more nuanced than this, in that there are reasons to coast as scum but very rarely as town, but none of these factors are really at play here. Without trying to strawman, it appears as though you're drawing a very direct line between effort rereading and mafia. Specifically, what scum incentive do you envision I have to not post Hikari-style, knowing it is more likely to be townread?

It's not that it's hard to say or show that you care (although there can prob be an argument made about how genuine people react to the amount of posts but let's leave that for a sec), it's that it's hard to actually DO read and commit to solid reads whereas the benefit of interacting is a) looking active and contributing and b) much easier to hide in, buddy people, get into arguments that make you look town, etc.

I think this is a very one-dimensional characterization that is summed up a bit in your point b. Interaction is inherently a pro-town action from the get-go, you don't just "get into arguments that make you look town" as scum and it's really that simple. You've got to get into arguments about

something

, and those somethings tend to be the solid reads you state that town should be looking for. I'm trying for the most part to stay away from meta but I think several players here can vouch that I definitely do my best work, readwise, interpersonally. I think my opening post and those that follow cement exactly why I've pursued this path over others.

My second comment is that I think you've misunderstood my posts. I fully intend to read and use every post in this game at some point. My trouble is that it is extremely hard for me to read for alignment in large groups of postings. I can indeed read 5-6 pages (Typically my magic number) at a time, but this will leave me very well behind and largely irrelevant to the game at hand.

No, this was exactly what I'm saying.

You can take any number of pages at any point in the game and get reads off of them - because people's alignment doesn't change over the course of the game. But from you it looked like you started trying to read, but then quickly saw it was futile because you had no interest in figuring people's alignment out, and copped out for the easier and more beneficial route.

This is largely ignoring the plausible other explanation for why I consider it futile, which I get considering that you scumread the rb slot anyway. However, I take some issue with you excluding the rest of my post. It lays out

exactly

why I chose to do what I did, and even more exactly lays out the path ahead for myself I have envisioned. All of the things you're looking for are included in this vision-solid reads, solving the game with past information, and more.

The other major problem I had with your post is that it looked like you were ASKING people to interact with you, rather than you creating the conversation and probing around. Which, again, is not town-motivated. Town wants to figure the game out. Scum want to go "see look I'm town and active".

The final part is puzzling. The point was that I was struggling to find a good starting point, and wanted assistance with it. I was indeed asking people to interact with me, and was very open about it, but it was a lot more than "I'm town and active". My open question is the

perfect

conversation creator. I asked for a concrete starting point that I would immediately set out to review and reflect on. It is mutually beneficial to do so. I'm immediately giving you a blank check for deciding what I look at and respond to. If I am scum, I am forced to interact with it, take a stance on it, and respond in a seemingly organic way. If I am town, it clearly shows me your viewpoint, provides me a good starting point necessary for my playstyle, and gets me involved in the game extremely quickly. The idea that I'm not probing also seems questionable-how do you characterize my attempt to get more out of Firebringer? My instinct is that you'll draw up a distinction between "good" and "bad" probing, but I really fail to see any way that you could say that I'm disinterested in either Fire or his read on Alisae.

Fundamentally, this boils down to how I approach the game, and I get how you can scumread it for the surface level, which is why I said it wasn't a shocker. The point of this extrapolation is to get you to realize why I think such an approach is optimal. Restated, this is again that I'm poor at reading in bulk, and devised a way around this that incorporates the past in a more manageable, focused way that gets me immediately reading people without getting lost. This way, and why I think it will work, is described more extensively in the above.

[Ginngie]

It's a toss up with Infinity and Fire

[Ginngie]

Not saying who I'm voting for

VOTE: No Lynch

[Ginngie]

Maybe I'm just tired right now but I'm feeling meh

[Ginngie]

lmao at the Sun bros

[Ginngie]

Who's scum then?

[Ginngie]

Actually if leon flips town I will seriously consider gin/SAD. It's just hard to see gin playing like this as scum. And boon's meltdown looked very town to me.

I'm pretty pissed at fire if he's town tbh. I was gonna get back into this game and actually try to do stuff but now there's no point. And I think he's town

I don't know the game but I remember it being Infinity was caught cuz he town read everyone and ran out of scum reads.

Welp.

[Ginngie]

me?

[Ginngie]

Oh what a 180 do tell

[Ginngie]

Spoiler: When you have a hard town read and awkward just go "you scum"

258 seems like town!gin. Gin is always looking to be noticed as town.

PEdit: UNVOTE: lol

Up to page 12 and I have titus, nacho, tammy, alisae, and maybe rb/gin as town.

Tammy I didn't mention but that's cause there's no particular post that makes me feel like she's town....she just is. Actually those are the kinds of reads that tend to be the most accurate for me, so yeah.

Spoiler:

Welcome to

Girls

♥

Girls

Mini 1909

Part 1: On the streets of Verona

Co-mod:

MiniDeathStar ♥

Backup mod:

MathBlade

Reviewed by:

RadiantCowbells, mhsmith0, Empking

Special thanks:

Pine, Firebringer, mhsmith0, RadiantCowbells, MathBlade, my review team, Nexus and List Mods, drealmerz7

Players

1. Leonshade
   Prism
   rb
   
   
2. Desperado
   Alisae
   
   
3. Kelvin Smith
   Hikari Link
   
   
4. Firebringer
   
   
5. Aristophanes
   
   
6. Keyser Söze
   
   
7. Nachomamma8
   
   
8. Tammy
   
   
9. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
   
   
10. Infinity 324
    Fro99er
    
    
11. Titus
    
    
12. Ser Arthur Dayne
    Boonskiies
    
    
13. implosion

? = prod

Fat

= confirmed

Bent

= V/LA

Spoiler: ALIVE (11/13)

1. Leonshade
   
2. Desperado
   
3. Kelvin Smith
   
4. Firebringer
   
5. Aristophanes
   
6. Nachmamma8
   
7. Tammy
   
8. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
   
9. Infinity 324
   
10. Titus
    
11. Ser Arthur Dayne

Up to page 31

Town: alisae (desp), gin, tammy, nacho, titus
Claimed vig so probably town: SAD
Could be town: ari, rb (leon)
PoE scum: kelvin, fire

Spoiler:

Does anyone in {gin, alisae, nacho, tammy, ari} scumread each other? If so you should work that out since I'm pretty sure you're all town. If not we win if we add 1 more person to the townbloc.

Ari town, anyone disagree scum claims

night

okok

This makes me feel better about gin. Ari was already lock town for me but if he wasn't he would be for this page. Because other people who know ari are in this game, it's possible scum!gin knew ari was unlynchable so he said that, but it's more likely he's just town.

Titus are you really arrogant enough to think that the majority of the town, most of whom know nacho well, including tammy who knows him incredibly well, are all wrong on the read?

Who is the majority of town you speak of?

Second, confidence not arrogance. Nacho still hasn't sorted anyone and is coastong while we rip our heads off.

Me, gin, tammy, I assume ari as well. Probably other people too

Meh. Leon is probably still scum. Scumreading gin for saying that his scumread won't get lynched is just incredibly shallow at best.

"Why would scum!Gin do that" why would town!Gin? His play makes zero sense.

I don't see how you get from here to "gin is scum".

Actually if leon flips town I will seriously consider gin/SAD. It's just hard to see gin playing like this as scum. And boon's meltdown looked very town to me.

So it literally can't be not Camn and Titus?

Fire could be fakeclaiming I guess

Everyone else is in the townbloc

[Ginngie]

You've done nothing town since d1

Oh go into detail babe

[Ginngie]

I mean fuck me you liked my side of the argument saying Leon was scum and were agreeing with me Leon was scum.

yeah it's Anti-town as fuck to push a lynch.

never did a damn thing town did I?

[Ginngie]

but wait

you just Fire must be scum?

If i was a scum read for the 180, then you would have told Fire why not to vote you and vote me instead.

but wait you called him scum?

Your story isn't lining up

[Ginngie]

LOL BUT I'M SCUM!

You literally say Fire has to be scum for us(that means us as the townies) can win

and the next sentence he is just town.

Rain drop

Drop top

i'm looking at your reads flip flop non-stop

[Ginngie]

In order to win you must lynch
In order to win you must lynch scum
In order to win you must lynch scum which has to be Fire

gee

[Ginngie]

WAIT

your ass really going to say I have done nothing town since day 1 yet you said you were on page 67?

You are literally pulling shit out of thin air.

[Ginngie]

D1 doesn't even end until 101 holy shit

[Ginngie]

Oh wait she might actually answer this

@nancy: Does "1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard" fall under "new/variant role" limit of 1 max per normal mini game?

Bodyguard is a Normal role and Bulletproof is a Normal modifier.

@nancy: Do masons/neighbors need an enabler for day chat?

I think 1090 is a rule for all normals that only applies to the scum pt.

Daytalk not given by a role must be announced in the ruleset per Normal guidelines.

[Ginngie]

Oh wait she might actually answer this

@nancy: Does "1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard" fall under "new/variant role" limit of 1 max per normal mini game?

Bodyguard is a Normal role and Bulletproof is a Normal modifier.

@nancy: Do masons/neighbors need an enabler for day chat?

I think 1090 is a rule for all normals that only applies to the scum pt.

Daytalk not given by a role must be announced in the ruleset per Normal guidelines.

Spoiler:

[Ginngie]

lol your only option outside of Fire is now SAD, what you gotta say about SAD now? How he scum too?

[Ginngie]

WE JUST DID A 360

CAN HE HIT THE NOSCOPE

420 BLAZE IT

[Ginngie]

Oh it's all on you, I'll sit here patiently waiting to see what you come up with.

I mean, I know it's anti-town for me to tunnel, and by all means if you say convincing stuff I'll argue what I think but it's heavy scrutiny times so just be prepared.

[Ginngie]

UNVOTE:

NO

you tell me who scum is today

[Ginngie]

"I need you to work with me"
"Okay lets just end day"

when I'm the last confirmed alive don't go together

[Ginngie]

SAD

HOLY FUCK

[Ginngie]

READ

MY

STORY

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

-Gin sitting at home
-Enjoying some hot wings
-Opens up spicy chicken sandwich
-gets mozzerala chicken sandwich
-gets keys and wallet/goes outside
-it's late at night
-look up, Titus moon logic

-runs to car
-speed down highway
-dodge and weave through traffic
-slide to a stop in Alisae's lawn
-Inform Alisae of the moon
-Alisae reenacts the incredibles scene "where is my super suit"

-Alisae storms out with Gin in his Anti-Bully Ranger suit
-Riding along, Alisae asks Gin wut do
-gin states we must warn the Sun Priest of the solar eclipse
-Alisae, dialogue, where is the priest
-temple, jungle, glowing man
-Alisae: Okay so how do we find him

Gin responds

-Let's go ask your granddad
-Where is he?
-currently making crop circles on a farm/burning them
-travels through the day
-Arrives up to the farm
-strolls in
-notices large plums of smoke flowing through the air
-chases
-catches up
-Fire slows down his tractor with a flamethrower
-asks him to help us find the jungle
-He says he wasn't called the trail blazer for nothing.
-He needs a cat for moral support
-Journey starts for cat finding
-Fire gives description through a text of the cat: my cat pancake at home is chubby and lazy, shes ash brown with a white belly and feet and she likes to meow
-Arrive at house
-Cut through screen door
-go kitchen
-see Pancake under sink, trapped by a wooden beam
-acid drip shows roof will soon collapse
-Alisae jumps across and uses Ranger Suit cape to shield from the acid
-run out of house as it collapses
-meets back with Fire
-Gets in back of Fire's tractor
-starts to pick up speed
-wheels start to smoke
-FLAMES
-Going so fast, high number of G's
-screaming in the back

Then Fire goes

-look back, entire landscape is on fire
-"they don't call me the trailblazer for nothing"
-arrive at temple of SAD
-walk up 1000 flights of stairs
-SAD challenges me to a duel
-use trap card of using trap cards to act like using a trap card is a town motive.

Gin makes first move

-SAD concedes
-Ask SAD how to defeat the moon before the eclipse
-TEAM WORK MAKES THE DREAM WORK
-say but for real tho, Queen nancy is the only one who incandescent enough to destroy the moon
-how does find nancy
-Oh she's a god, she commands the heavens meant for lesbians
-taps chin and then nods "yeah that makes sense"
-literally say "plot device, Alisae and Gin float up to lesbian heaven"
-walks around lesbian heaven
-sees nancy at a taco bar
-hey babes
GINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
-Explain the moon thing
-lol I need power fam says nancy
-need a bottle of 1000 unique male tears
-Says a legendary legend of legends has a bottle that can contain that sort of power
-Sky dives
-moon starts throwing shit
-epic sky diving dodging shit scene
-lands at this pub in shambles.
-walk through, find a trap door
-go in it obvi
-it's a strip club
-see a CMM
-Just fired off 6 shells of Remington 870
-walk up
-challenges to a drink contest
-iron liver of Gin
-beats
-CMM gives me his flask
-Needs male tears
-goes to professor Selynee
-middle of lecture
-1000 class audience on feminism
-collects
-say for extra credit
-seal up the tears
-return to nancy
-use plot device again
-nancy takes male tears
-pours them into a fountain
-tears form a river
-float down river
-It's a river styx
-gets badass powers
-gets out
-goes back to earths
-see le moon
-It's a Titus

Does a Kamehameha

-votes a Titus

and that is why we vote Titus

VOTE: Titus

~ Titus is dead tho I can't count this vote

Also, spoilered. ~

[Ginngie]

Did you like the card I made for you? <3

[Ginngie]

Did you look at it in detail? I made the serial number 2sppy4u

[Ginngie]

SAD, I know you want to not play mafia again but like, if we made this hydra as a fun hydra, could we? <3

Spoiler:

[Ginngie]

Fire, Tammy, Nacho, Alisae, Frog, SAD, Ari

Titus, Implosion, Hikari, Prism, Keyser


VOTE: Titus

Really I'm thinking of a Titus, Keyser, Implosion team and I'm gonna check if it makes sense

3 townies and 2 scum in the scumpool but the 3 townies are the scumteam?

Its almost too obvious

What's almost too obvious?

[Ginngie]

That tactic is almost too obvious for scum to do

Holy fuck you're still on about this

[Ginngie]

Cry me a river

That's all I'm gonna say if it's not about a Fire or SAD scum

[Ginngie]

There is Fire/SAD options, I'm not an option. It's simple

[Ginngie]

Wait? Are you mad at me for not thinking there is a chance I'm scum?

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

Wait? Are you mad at me for not thinking there is a chance I'm scum?

I'm mad at you for not accepting that from MY perspective that there is a CHANCE you are scum

There is Fire/SAD options, I'm not an option. It's simple

You're objectively wrong.

Yeah gin!scum would be really weird. Cause either he's a "scum neighbor/mason daytalk enabler" or just a global encryptor which would unbalance the setup I think.

Oh wait she might actually answer this

@nancy: Does "1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard" fall under "new/variant role" limit of 1 max per normal mini game?

Bodyguard is a Normal role and Bulletproof is a Normal modifier.

@nancy: Do masons/neighbors need an enabler for day chat?

I think 1090 is a rule for all normals that only applies to the scum pt.

Daytalk not given by a role must be announced in the ruleset per Normal guidelines.

Post 1 and post 3 are related
Post 2 and post 4 are related

[Ginngie]

So in a Gin/Infinity/Fire LYLO, what do

[Ginngie]

Okay so you need to focus all efforts on Fire!scum

[Ginngie]

SAD, can you color 4 different VCAs with each one of us as a red?

[Ginngie]

Is that the real reason you're in charge of replacement queue

[Ginngie]

Okay that's so weird

[Ginngie]

Infinity/Frog was never once voted by scum 0.o

[Ginngie]

Tell me about his interactions this game and why they're scum

[Ginngie]

I think I might just vote Fire

[Ginngie]

You gotta wait for me to actually put in effort lol

Yeah I know but just letting you know I feel highly agreeable atm

[Ginngie]

I can't help but think the ultimatum is just a AtE gambit

[Ginngie]

Fire is scum

[Ginngie]

I mean this could very well bite me in the ass but I tried to demotivate Infinity as best I could to replicate LyLo in Accounting Maf and Infinity came out kicking today :/

THERE IS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING I DO I HAVE A LIST

Infinity? I'm waiting till endgame to see how long he lasts because he's bloody obv!scum in endgame play.

heehee

[Ginngie]

lmfao

[Ginngie]

My G, he got into a pissing match with me and held his ground

[Ginngie]

Actually take a look at Accounting Mafia, literally it's "okay it's N_M, and then says it's maily PoE and gets prodded before Titus switches over.

He dug his heels in here and fought a damn good fight

[Ginngie]

thats the exact opposite of what is happening here....

Yes... the exact opposite style of play

[Ginngie]

which is my point

[Ginngie]

because he was scum in Accounting

[Ginngie]

so that means he's town

[Ginngie]

cuz it's the opposite

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

Dude, did you not see him fight me about how I could still be scum?

[Ginngie]

and post 4564 through 5580 is all him pure posting

[Ginngie]

Spoiler:

Wait? Are you mad at me for not thinking there is a chance I'm scum?

I'm mad at you for not accepting that from MY perspective that there is a CHANCE you are scum

There is Fire/SAD options, I'm not an option. It's simple

You're objectively wrong.

Yeah gin!scum would be really weird. Cause either he's a "scum neighbor/mason daytalk enabler" or just a global encryptor which would unbalance the setup I think.

Oh wait she might actually answer this

@nancy: Does "1-shot Bulletproof Bodyguard" fall under "new/variant role" limit of 1 max per normal mini game?

Bodyguard is a Normal role and Bulletproof is a Normal modifier.

@nancy: Do masons/neighbors need an enabler for day chat?

I think 1090 is a rule for all normals that only applies to the scum pt.

Daytalk not given by a role must be announced in the ruleset per Normal guidelines.

Post 1 and post 3 are related
Post 2 and post 4 are related

Gin

listen to me

I don't think you're scum.

I think there is A CHANCE you are scum.

This in a physical representation is infinity grabbing me by the shoulders and going "bro, listen man, listen before I slap you"

[Ginngie]

If SAD votes you I'm voting you >_>

[Ginngie]

If SAD votes you I'm voting you >_>

Spoiler:

[Ginngie]

I think I made my point.

If you guys want me to keep going through fire's ISO I can though. I might just do it anyways, it's kinda fun tbh

plz

[Ginngie]

Fire fire fire fire

[Ginngie]

Tell me how Accounting Mafia LyLo matches up with this lyL

[Ginngie]

Fuck.

[Ginngie]

WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT ALL OF A SUDDEN

[Ginngie]

dick

[Ginngie]

[Ginngie]

ya know what

[Ginngie]

I have only ever gotten LyLo right once

[Ginngie]

out of like six games

[Ginngie]

VOTE:

[Ginngie]

FUCK IT

[Ginngie]

VOTE: FIRE

[Ginngie]

SUN

BROS

[Ginngie]

YOU FUCK

[Ginngie]

You going to open any of the topics?

[Ginngie]

The dead thread?

[Ginngie]

Arthur wasn't scum.

Mod confirmation can't even deny me that read.

[Ginngie]

1 and 7 baby let's go!!!!!!

[Ginngie]

I DONT GET

HOW MANY GAMES

I CAN MAKE PLANS TO SOLVE LYLO

AND ALWAYS LOSE IT

[Ginngie]

BOY