Mini Normal 1911 | Penguin Mafia Redux | Endgame

[Mulch]

Oh and I forgot to submit a neighborization. So yeah, sorry if that fucks us.

oh really

^^^

[Mulch]

framer and godfather can't be in normals.

titus is claimed neighborizer. if she commuted it would've been a guilty.

regardless, talk to me about ryker/titus and whoyou think might be mafia inside them.

I think the team is Mulch/Titus.

Titus has a very convenient claim since Tammy, no one can approve it. Tammy risked to claim Neighbourizer and now Titus pays it off. Forgot to submit a claim, sure

Me and TITUS? The one I have been pressing all game? The one who has been unberably scummy and is acussing me now in LyLo?

[Mulch]

that's true. Let's lynch Mulch

You've got to be joking

[Mulch]

i'm not voting mulch unless i am heavily convinced he is scum

Good choice

[Mulch]

So. Both lalight and Titus are theoretically scumreading each other and yet are both scumreading me, and yet both somehow come to the conclusion that they should lynch me.

Notice anything?

[Mulch]

So. Both lalight and Titus are theoretically scumreading each other and yet are both scumreading me, and yet both somehow come to the conclusion that they should lynch me.

Notice anything?

I am not SRing you or thinking we should lynch you. You're lalight's clear. That means, you are not scum unless lalight is.

I am? I thought Lalight "cleared" FF

[Mulch]

"Cop" cleared

[Mulch]

TBH It's going to be hard not voting againt Lalight when they just accused me of being scum

[Mulch]

Like I know that in theory mafia would want to buddy me more but when you are talking about me being scum in a LyLo situation, it really does not give me "I will vote with you!" vibes

[Mulch]

I'm gonna see where Lalight votes and then decide my vote. Right now I am leaning voting Titus because simply: TWICE the slot managed to make an excuse about how their neighborization did not work, and while it's true to an exstent scum would just make up a guilty, that's getting into WIFOM territory and the insanity of this being true is incredible.

Also, Ryker sort of seems authentic in the way he posts, so..

[Mulch]

But probably if Lalight votes Titus I am gonna reconsider because Lalight right now accusing me, again, is NOT going over well

[Mulch]

On the other hand, Lalight could easily bus his buddy ,tell people the scumteam is that person and me, and then lynch me tmrw

[Mulch]

Lalight votes A, I decide cause he accuses me I vote B, A is lynched, he turns out mafia, I am fucked

[Mulch]

Or Lalight votes A, I think this is the scenario so I vote A, A is lynched, he turns out town and I am fucked lol

[Mulch]

Also Ryker voted Transcend I bellieve yesterday, I feel like if Ryker was scum with Gamma he would vote against GAmma for the easy bus? It's WIFOM again though

[Mulch]

Interesting if Frozen and Lalight are scumbyddies I doubt they would make it that obvious, but the inno on frozen may convince frozen to go over to the dark side, so to speak

[Mulch]

Jeez that's a townie post lol

[Mulch]

I'm game for a no lynch but I would like to see opinion on it from more experienced than me

[Mulch]

What is this lol

[Mulch]

well I am waiting on Lalight

[Mulch]

Why Is lalight voting me in a LyLo situation??

[Mulch]

I'll respond to all this later, but I'm feeling a lalight lynch right now. You don't pull that shit in LyLo

[Mulch]

Transcend what in God's name do you need to talk to me about?

[Mulch]

Lol and BTW I called this yesterday

[Mulch]

VOTE: lalight

When scum try and 1 v 1 me you WILL lose

Wait until later today.

[Mulch]

I'm not as much of a fucking pushover as you may expect

[Mulch]

Why is Mulch scum?

Good question

[Mulch]

I'm off an on the entire day

[Mulch]

You just went from me being possible scum to confirmed scum lol

[Mulch]

Can you even characterize it as an OMGUS in LyLo

[Mulch]

1) lalight and titus/ryker, depending on if titus can do a neighbor after we lynch lalight

2) horrible, I've only skimmed but as far as I can tell he's completely avoided the ryker v titus, shaded me then proceeded to call me confirmed scum, accused me of OmGUS in MYLO, and is voting a townie in LyLo

3) it's really bad - I'vea already said this. But the thing titus said about if being scum they woild make up a result sort of rings true

4) I trust you to the extent that I don't understand why you would bus gamma if you could, as scum, claim a guilty on someone else and just win the game

My thing is that I think titus and lalight are scummy af but they are on opposite sides rn

[Mulch]

have you read his cases on you? if yse what do you make of them. if not, find them and respond to them plz

He hasn't even made a case...

[Mulch]

I missed it, let me find it

[Mulch]

Ryker: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 7, 8

Mulch: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

No interactions with Tammy/Titus, or very vague.

Reads list, Second one, Third one

!!! and shortly after THIS

I think he can't be partners with Ryker, look at this.

Mulch/Titus then.

So basically your "arguement" against me is that gamma basically shaded me all game? I don't even know how to respond to this

[Mulch]

Transcend would you be willing to vote lalight?

[Mulch]

The answer to your question, ryker, (from lalight): No. He is using it as an excuse not to put a vote down on one of you

[Mulch]

Most likely scum teams right now:

Lalight titus
Lalight ryker
Lalight frozen
Lalight transcend

[Mulch]

Lalight pushing me right now is absolutely unforgivable and atrocious

[Mulch]

Ryker would you vote lalight today?

[Mulch]

Vote lalight

Seriously, I am near 100% he is one of the mafia. He is pushing me in LyLo, that's enough, and he also is thinking from a scum perspective, which I can demonstrate when I am not on mobile.

[Mulch]

AND he has not returned a guilty yet

[Mulch]

Frozen and transcend you have to see what he is doing, he is completely avoiding the confrontation and instead quick switches to push on me

[Mulch]

What is more he apparently wants no lynch, transcend tells him he would rather lunch now so he can game solve, then lalight VOTE ME??? Who transcend is town reading rightfully? If he didn't want to follow transcend why not do no lynch at all? It makes no sense

[Mulch]

Literally the worst possible move ever, I can sort of see how people think I am scum but actually Lalight makes zero logical sense


And his mentality is scummy af again I can show you this when I get on a computer

[Mulch]

"I am shit as a town player" is not an excuse for being scummy.

I did not scumread gamma the entire game, I was leaning voting tranacend the entire time, yet I bussed gamma?

And stop the appeal to emotion, it's pathetic

[Mulch]

Everyone but FF is willing to vote me. Isn't that suspicious for you people?

Not even slightly, I think that either Titus or Ryker was planning to set a 1on 1 with each other and hope I picked wrong, and now they are both willing to vote you and go at it another day


Either that or you and frozen are scum together, which is possible but doubtful.

[Mulch]

Oh i'm sorry, Mulch.

You bussed = you voted his lynch. Not Trans'

What are you even attempting to say?

[Mulch]

And yeah, i am okay with being pathetic if it leads to townwin

Your doing the AtE again lmao

[Mulch]

Scum clearly went into this day eith an agenda of lynching me

Lol I wasn't even thinking about voting you until you voted me in LyLo

[Mulch]

So you think it's me and Titus/Ryker? Who of them?

I already answered this . Titus is much more likely imo but I'm not 100% like I am for you

[Mulch]

Oh i'm sorry, Mulch.

You bussed = you voted his lynch. Not Trans'

What are you even attempting to say?

Who did you vote in the end of D3?

Gamma- the scum?

[Mulch]

Scum clearly went into this day eith an agenda of lynching me

Lol I wasn't even thinking about voting you until you voted me in LyLo

Still MyLo, one vote doesn't cause a quickhammer.

Answer my 2 questions

Wait till I get to a computer and I tear you apart

[Mulch]

Here is why Lalight is scum. This is only the day today.

He says he checks Frozen Flame has his cop check
Right off the bat, we have something weird. Everyone (including me) was expecting him to check Titus. FrozenFlame had made very townie posts in the past few days, and it makes zero sense to want to check him. This is the first red flag. It allows him to still accuse everyone still in contention.

HIs response to Titus "forgetting" to submit a neighborization
What kind of fucking reaction is this? The correct townie reaction here is to be extraordinarily skeptical of this. He says "oh really". Oh really? Oh really? Your going to say oh really? That's the best thing you can say? Your not heavily in disbelief? Your not even going to comment that you believe it? That's ALL your going to say?

Here is why Lalight is scum: a townie would push him for this, like I did. He was interseted in just letting it go while he moved onto his targets and his gameplan.

Here he says he wants to No Lynch, which is fine, but Transcend fights him on this here, and Lalight fights back again. He is really resolute. Yet, somehow, his great position on this changes here. This is bad yet it get's worse. The REASON he changes is because Transcend said he wanted to gamesolve and would get nightkilled. Therfore, with that post, Lalight is

agreeing that we should not lynch because we want Transcend's solving ability.

. Transcend's solving ability is SO great that it would change his already huge postiiton on no lynching. Would this NOT suggest that he thinks Transcend is town? Apparently not, or not, or not.

Yes, Lalight changed his position on this because he thought we needed Transcend's gamesolving so badly yet apparently thinks he could be mafia

.

Let's get onto his vote on me. Let's not forget that this is LyLo, so although I can't technically prove to all of you that he wanting to lynch me will end the game, to ME it is basically a scumclaim. So, here is how it goes.

Apparently the scum team is me and Titus (remember that he did not even press Titus for forgetting a neighborization). This is his "scumread" on me. I am going to quote it here, just for everyone to clearly see:

I am starting heavily scumreading Mulch for his undying wish to hear the claim from Transcend, I would say only scum would do such a thing, because they are really nervous. Also "Scum always votes first in LyLo" lol. Not really. But this vote for Tammy was bad. And scum also likes to highlight "we're in LyLo" because there's no way we wouldn't figure out ourselves and scum must've discussed it. So yeah, Mulch is relaxed scummo for sure.

Yup. His huge scumread, his overpowering scumread for me that is causing him (theoretically him as townie) to vote me in LyLo is: I was relaxed last round. Wow. Oh, and apparently This too, which consists of Gamma shading me the entire game (something I should have picked up on, admitadly), also is hard core incriminating LyLo evidence.

Throughout this, he is very resolute about lynching me (yes, even as he is simeoultaneously pushing for a no lynch), very, very, resolute.

Yet, throughout all this hard core scumreading me for being relaxed, he also feels the need to keep his options open. Titus/Ryker?, Titus/Mulch? Ryker/Mulch?. Yes, he apparently is thinking those are "possibilties" as well despite voting ME.

So now let's go onto His vote on Titus. This would be a good thing, actually, to me, considering that he shaded him earlier in the day, (although refsues to press him on not submitting a neighborization), yet within a minute or two HE UNVOTES, and backs this up using the worst logic in the history of the world, saying, that he thinks ME AND TRANSCEND ???? are a scum team together.

This is the look of a scum that was LOOKING for an excuse to unvote Titus, either because they are scum partners or because he thinks I would be an easier target

. Also, his reason for this unprecendeted scumread is that he "can" doubt someone if he wants to. Good for you.

Also, as bonus:

Appeal to emotion number 1
Appeal to emoition Number 2
Appeal To emoition number 3
Appeal To emoition Number 4

And finally, doublebonus, one ridiculous last lack of logic:
He says scum "went" into the day looking to kill him. Yup, with zero people voting him, and me only voting you after you tried to push a mislynch on me.




Rest case.
VOTE: Lalight for more emphasis.

[Mulch]

1) can your read me thing and respond

2) My only worry about no lynching is that 1) We give scum more time to plan out a strategy when they may have been taken by surprise that I am attacking Lalight 2) They're gonna kill the most confirmed townie here (most likely Transcend cause he is even night) and then we will be down to deciding LyLo with one less competetent townie yet still the same 5 suspects, so it would be the exact same situation, but worse because no candidate for lynching would ever get killed.

Other than that it's a pretty solid arguement and I'd be down for it if you don't want to lynch Lalight.

[Mulch]

Transcend thoughts on my wall? Titus thoughts on my wall?

[Mulch]

Why did all 3 people ignore my post?

[Mulch]

@Frozen what I mean is that scum would then have to convince only 1 near confirmed townie instead of 2. Also, I thought of another problem- Scum can quickhammer more with only 5 people, we can have a little more leeway with votes if we do it now.

@Transcend what do you think of my Lalight case? Would you be willing to vote Lalight?

@Lalight you didn't even defend against anything you just stated objective facts. Also, LOL at saying "after me" Titus is the best candidate when ZERO people have experessed voting me yet you still won't vote Titus.

@Frozen if you think I am town VOTE LALIGHT. Titus is most likely scumbuddy, possibly Ryker or Transcend as well.

@Titus are you scumbuddies with Lalight? If not, please vote him.

[Mulch]

Ok, Titus/Lalight is the scumteam

[Mulch]

They both are "scumreading" each other yet conviently refuse to vote themeslves because of "better" targets- Me for Lalight and Ryker for you

[Mulch]

GAME IS OVER

[Mulch]

GAME IS SOLVED

[Mulch]

I'm going to humor you Titus. Who do you think is Ryker's scumpartner then?

[Mulch]

...

[Mulch]

What a surprise

[Mulch]

Hmmm

[Mulch]

So that was enough to switch your read from me, Lalight? What made you change, specifically, from me as scum to town?

[Mulch]

Give examples. Why was it town motivated?

[Mulch]

If your town, why would me trying to lynch you be town motivated?

[Mulch]

Actually a pretty good answer.
UNVOTE: .

[Mulch]

Votecount:

2 votes on Titus: Lalight, Ryker

1 vote on Ryker: Titus

1 vote on no lynch: FF

Not Voting: Mulch, Transcend

Mulch: Intent to vote Titus or Lalight. I want FF and Transcend thoughts first.

[Mulch]

oh

[Mulch]

Transcend, thoughts on my Lalight wall, you have ignored it

[Mulch]

First impressions at least?

[Mulch]

VOTE: Titus

[Mulch]

ahhh

[Mulch]

you were scum, weren't you

[Mulch]

Good game everyone

[Mulch]

Transcend is honestly a God

[Mulch]

What

[Mulch]

It was me frozen lol

[Mulch]

Yes lol

[Mulch]

I'd join probably if I'm invited, this was a really fun game

[Mulch]

He's joking, and check the spoiler dead thread for all info

[Mulch]

I've learned a lot by the way this game, especially by transcend, which I will explain later. That was dynamic

[Mulch]

He*

[Mulch]

1. Transcend- Literally an utter god, he carried the scumteam. He was slick under pressure, crumbed an awesome fakeclaim, was aggresive enough to push for a lynch in MyLo, had great nightkills, and consoled me when I was panicking. A+++. Also taught me some things about helping out your scumbuddies; he TR me day 1 without fear and all throughout the end of the game, and we both never died.
2. Marshy- You have such a reputation of being a good player that we needed to kill you lol. We knew youw ould figure us out eventually. You didn't seem too invested in this game (or maybe that's your playstyle) but you ended up being an early nightkill as VT, which is all you could ask.
3. Mulch- ME!
4. LaLaight- A+++ reads, you called out the scumteam way before anyone else and had the guts to do it. You sort of acted scummy in general as town this game but your logic and reads were on point.
5. Firescreamer- I think that you played fine, I never actually understood why the town wanted to lynch you lol. I think maybe you could be a bit more confident in game and that would gain you more town cred.
6. Sparkles- You pushed me early! Very nice game I would say, again I don't know why town didn't like your posts, you were very obv town to me. Perhaps be a bit more confident.
7. Zulfy- I really apologize for calling you Wulfy! I promise it was a 100% tactical move and not anything to personally insult you. I think you played fine; actually, you scurmead me REALLY early lol. I don't personally like the +1 things but if it works for you (like it did this game), then good.
8. Ranmaru- So clearly obvtotwn it hurt, and you stimulated the discussion a LOT. I think if the town was more active you would have had an even greater effect. You missed a little on your reads, and sort of fell for my buddying, but tbh you were so obvs town that it dwared any of your downfalls.
9. FrozenFlame- An amazing strategical and analytical mind, you almost won game for town by going nolynch. I think that maybe if you went with your gut a little more you would have a ton of success, you seemed to me (at least) to be the smartest person in this game except maybe Transcend.
10. Ryker- You will see the mafia chat: I said I think you could see right into my soul. I LOVE your playstyle and aggresiveness! You stuck with your guts and I think that is such a great thing in other games. I would be terrified to see you as scum, and I think your pretty smart too.
11. Adumbro- Well, you got Transcend. I would just say not to underestimate newbies so much! lol. You did your job, night 1 day kill as VT. Nothing more you could want.
12. Titus- Tammy- Tammy you were funny and smart, but you had to be replaced. Titus- maybe don't be so focused on only one set of circumstances, but I can't really blame you there. to me, you made yourself obvtown when you forget a neighborization, as scum would just make one up.
13. Gamma- NICE PLAY! I loved your distancing to both me AND transcend; it helped late game. YOu played the bus just right and helped me out with Transcend day 1. You also had a cool way of going unnoticed yet seeming to be active that I envy. Nice!

[Mulch]

Most obvs town award: Ran
Most town that made me shake with fear: Ryker
Best reads: LaLight
Best strategy: Frozen
Best utilixation of role: Adumbro

[Mulch]

Loving this endgame. Mulch better stick around.

I definitely am

[Mulch]

He better

Bc I'm nominating him for an award

He killed it this game

Not really, you carried lol

[Mulch]

Scumchat involves a lot of me panicking lmao

[Mulch]

I already gave permission to release

[Mulch]

Where do I go to the large

And marshy don';t worry we were worried enough lol

And YES GOOD HOSTING PENGUIN POWER

[Mulch]

HOw do I join your guys large game

[Mulch]

cool