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ah the classic game begins
random user 5 does rqs with chagrin
random user 11 calls him out as scum
and then useless rqs debate! fun!
cheetory is acting like he's a god
but no clue who he is, some egotistical rando, yawn
drk calls rqs scummy for not being relevant
and yet his whole mafia theory discussion is an elephant
empty long posts about not making empty long posts
contributing as much to game solving as the host
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I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit-
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let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr-
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grendel is a bigger issueIn post 117, Accountant wrote:Mutton why have you been trying to peddle to me the idea that DRK is scum so hard when your vote has not been on them?
lying about catching scum is a bitch move-
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I'm actually the opposite and have him as a scum leanIn post 140, Accountant wrote:
Why? He's said nothing AIIn post 139, Cheetory6 wrote:TripleC is probably my strongest townread atm ftr.
his attitude isn't very clean-
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In post 121, CCC wrote:...I'm a bit suspicious of this dogpile on Cheetory. I mean, yes, Cheetory hasn't exactly been a shining example of pure Townishness... but at the same time, having three votes on him makes him look like a safe Mafia target, especially so early in the game. MuttonChopMagic's long rhyming posts are hard to read and hard to parse... DeathRowKitty's feud would look a lot more suspicious if she wasn't the first to start piling on Cheetory; but what really strikes me as the Mafiaest post so far (and that's a pretty low bar) is Klick calling for a quicklynch on Cheetory.
I'm sure Mafia wouldlovea quicklynch on Day One. Less time to talk, to make and consider reads, to act and react, to allow Town time to work.
VOTE: KlickIn post 122, CCC wrote:
So, what do you think weIn post 26, DeathRowKitty wrote:
The questions don't have enough (any?) of a direct tie to the current game for alignment to meaningfully appear in answers. *insert theory discussion of early game here* so RQS is basically the worst thing ever. Talking about it in general terms is also a bad thing though so etcIn post 23, Gamma Emerald wrote:Still why is it bad?shouldbe talking about on Day One, then?In post 123, CCC wrote:
This is either a scum confession or an attempt at humour in seriously bad taste.In post 119, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
oh crap you caught meIn post 98, Accountant wrote:I think NotTheRealPaul is probably scum. The selfvote + questionnaire answering felt like a really bad attempt to fit in/insert self into game and their post was more or less an isolated island that didn't touch on what was being discussed around them. This is scummy because mafia find it way easier to put themselves into a game through easy to fake stuff like selfvote jokes or answering NAI questions rather than put themselves in the midst of real discussion.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
Let me just hop onto the maf thread and ask cheetory what to do.
I consider the second of those two possibilities rather significantly more likely than the first; but, either way, I think the unreal Paul deserves some scrutiny.
Not that there's much to scrutinise yet...In post 125, CCC wrote:I know it's hard to seem Townish on day one.
Both of my tutorial games, I was lynched day one for apparently looking really scummy. Both of my tutorial games, I was Town. So, yeah. The struggle is a hard one. I understand it.
But... I can also understand why people might want to vote for you. I'm not trying to knock you. Not at all.In post 127, CCC wrote:Just as a general question for everyone - is having around one in three players Mafia a reasonable ratio?
Which, with thirteen players, would mean four Mafia?No, I don't. I do think that they'll ... 7]post 130, CCC"]Argh. Apologies; messed up that quote in the last post.
So, one in four, then? That's better than I'd expected...[/quote]In post 128, Cheetory6 wrote:Oh jeeze.
Uh.
Three mafia is probably the only thing you're going to see here.
so here we see 8 posts in a catch up
not a single thing gamesolving or even advancing the thread, yup
I actually didn't notice how bad it was my first read
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In post 115, MuttonChopMagic wrote:let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr-
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rqs is not a scum tell and I never said it wasIn post 184, Backhand wrote:I think most of last night's discussion is hard to parse. A problem with theory discussion (not that I've never been guilty of doing it) is that people will generally be honest about their theory thoughts and even if you disagree, your feelings about RQS are probably not scum or town indicative.
As I said above though, CCC is pretty obviously town. Think Cheetory and DRK have done a good job of trying to move forward, slight townreads there.
Everyone else somewhere in the middle.
Leaning Scum:
MCM is obnoxious and going to be really hard to read, OMGUS voted grendel, we could do worse.
I agree accountant's VI post is more "gotcha" than real but it did ping me, I'm not forgetting about it.
Raya was a little on the defensive side, would like her to come back and catch up.
The more I reread MCM's stuff the less I like it. I don't believe that he believes that rqs is actually a scumtell.
Vote MCM
it's stupid, stupid =/= scummy, I'm not voting him for doing rqs cuz
hell, if I called rqs scummy
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In post 214, Gamma Emerald wrote:That's picking at nothing MCM. He means your first post with content.In post 212, Backhand wrote:In post 202, MuttonChopMagic wrote: rqs is not a scum tell and I never said it was
it's stupid, stupid =/= scummy, I'm not voting him for doing rqs cuz
hell, if I called rqs scummy
gamma emerald does it and policy lynching him would be crummyIn your original vote, all you called out is that rqs wasn't likely to find scum.So it sure looked like that's what you were going for.
@Accountant: If you say so, I don't read much actually being there. I do get a town feel off of cheet, so I guess that's a response to the wagon, even though I barely noticed it on my read.-
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I have a town reads postIn post 237, Grendel wrote:
https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Storage ... l-QuestionIn post 114, MuttonChopMagic wrote:I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit
Its an offsite game, but used RQS and it helped me identify the players {Dipper, PigsmaskJames} There were other reads I got from it, but I'm not interested in doing leg work for you atm.
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Ironicly my own reads that I got from RQS were less accurate then Egg's observations. Egg called out Masquerade as scum, and was correct. RQS provided a start to that suspicion.
Not interested in sharing results from any games where I was not known as "Grendel"
Anyway, Your reads appear to be:
Town: Klick, Cheetory, Gamma
Null: Unsure
Getting too much flack: Not Puel
Scum: Grendel, DRK
Can you explain what Not Peul getting too much flack means for your read on Accountant? As they led that pressure.
The crux of your case against me looks like "Grendel is Buddying Cheetory", "Grendel's reasoning is gross" and "Grendel is voting me, Belh!"In post 115, MuttonChopMagic wrote:let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr
--Elaborate on why these things are scummy to you--
I'm not sure if it means anything AI yet, but I am interested at the contrast in tone between these posts and your first. I want to jump on it and say that its scum over compensating for getting called out. But part of me feels that your emotion is genuine in said posts.
DO you have much offsite experience Mutton?
I don't think I need to elaborate on those
I am an alt, so well, yes
I have on and off site experience-
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not much has really changed besides grendel switching teamsIn post 158, MuttonChopMagic wrote:okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat
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In post 320, MuttonChopMagic wrote:I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means
what about my reply did you not like g-
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In post 323, MuttonChopMagic wrote:In post 320, MuttonChopMagic wrote:I considered his replies satisfactory
do you need a sentence by sentence reaction to see?
like, not sure what that question means
what about my reply did you not like g-
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nobody is townreading me for my gimmick lmfao
but, whatever helps you sleep at night, rightyo
that's also not the answer to my question dude
what about my reply did you not like, and since you're fixated, what about accountants did you?
I'll answer your stupid question when you answer mine
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VOTE: paulIn post 340, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
rip I can't read my bad lolIn post 334, notsure wrote:In post 333, NotTheRealPaul wrote:
Not sure can you explain this? DRK hasnt even voted you Im not sure how he is trying to start a wagon on youIn post 273, notsure wrote:"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be."
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"But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think my read on DRK to be.
I don't believe you actually read this post or if you did, you didn't take it seriously...but clearly I was referring to DRKs scum read on Gamma...In post 272, notsure wrote:
No, this is all wrong. Though yeah, I'm a little annoyed at DRK, but it's more because she is being hypocritical and dodgy, as well as Paul.In post 244, Grendel wrote:
I didn't have time last night to point it out but, Unsure sounds like paranoid town right here. Plus his reads add up. If I’m a town read for him then it makes since from his perspective to suspect the two people most critical of my approach to the game. Realistically I find it unlikely that Klick x DRK would be a thing, but it does show that Unsure is thinking.In post 99, notsure wrote:@grendel
I don't know your alignment. You seem to want to get people playing and don't nitpick WIFOM details so far. Could be scum, but seem Town so far.
In post 84, notsure wrote:VOTE: DeathRowKitty
Feel pretty good about kitty being mafia. Either shit-town with anti-town agenda that wants to paint Townies as mafia or mafia just trolling along. Either way, don't think I'd miss her even as Town.
Post like these really irk me however. I hate it when players justify a read by implying that "If there not scum then they're bad town". Its like distancing oneself from the cadaver.In post 205, notsure wrote:So that's your bright response? Tell me just not to scum read someone and act condescending?
Wow, scummy or just shit town.
The thing is that I see this behavior from inexperienced players trying to convince themselves and others that they are right. I used to believe that the behavior was scummy, but I never got enough evidence the indicates its a legit tell.
Any case its a read that Notsure is clearly emotionally invested in. I should look at DRK next to read her alignment before I start talking unsure about his read.
As I said to Paul
"If you know it takes time to judge a player's beginning behavior and DRK is doing the opposite, why is that not setting off any alarms, but my picking up on it somehow does? This makes zero sense."
His answer is "I don't scumread him". So he's not even addressing my concern. And taking the same scummy stance as DRK in doing so. Either one of them could you know, alleviate my concern instead of dodging it and implying that I'm dumb. But then they would actually have to participate.
Though admittedly, DRKs read of Gamma is pretty legit. Gamma is certainly playing in a way that keeps his options open and I find that a bit scummy. But I'm also inclined to think DRK is trying to start a wagon to direct away from my read on them, as shit and/or personal as people might think it to be.
VOTE: NotTheRealPaul
Reason why: He's being dodgy and appears to half-ass pay attention to people he has put in the spotlight. It shows he's not really fully-invested in what he's saying and yes I do think he's scum.
I was attempting to foster discussion so I was skimming through the thread looking for something to do so. I apologize.
@backhand do I really need to have scum reads? I don't really know rn tbh. Maybe I'll go back and look at gamma, but on the whole I'm pretty sheepy like I said when I answered the RQS. If something jumps out at me I'll be sure to let you know.
Pedit: well great apparently me being genuine comes off as me being not genuine. IDEK how to respond to that really. Like you don't think its genuine, good for you. Your wrong but there isnt much else I can say there.
Second Pedit @backhand: I will say as far as MCM I tend to skim his posts because the rhyming and some of the wording confuse the shit out of me. Maybe I shouldn't but it hurts my brain sometimes to go back and figure out what he is saying.
hmu when you have scum reads and read my posts yall-
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well, yea, on the surface a pbpa vote like that is pretty ironcladIn post 345, Backhand wrote:
That is fair.In post 341, MuttonChopMagic wrote: I'll answer your stupid question when you answer mine
give and take, ya feel, rhyme
I thought this was a good point, he has been doing a good job of engaging. And while I might not totally agree about the first few pages being bad (or maybe I've just been in very few "good" first pages), it seemed genuine.In post 172, Accountant wrote:If that was what I wanted to do it sure seems dumb that I'd also engage with them and try to understand their reads and thought process
And those few pages were bad, don't lie to yourself
Now, the same? You scumread grendel through a whole pbpa, why was all of that discounted?
And. . . yes paul, you need scumreads. Or, hell, since you've said a couple times you want to sheep people, I'll take townreads? Who do you want to sheep?
but it was like page 10, probably full of confbias, and im still glad
it let me advance the game and develop a read on grendel
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my klick read is from very little content very early so clearly it's not strong
but I believe building early wagons is pro town (hence wht I voted cheet) and him getting pushed for it was wrong
his quicklynch post is clearly not for real
but, a) scum doesn't usually post like that due to attention ya feel
and b) the fact it was taken seriously confused me
so, he gets to be green until something shows me otherwise you see?
and no, he can't just idle and keep that green
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post by post analysis boyIn post 354, NotTheRealPaul wrote:whats pbpa?
basically an iso on steroids-
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let me redo this as a lynchpool for the dayIn post 270, MuttonChopMagic wrote:
not much has really changed besides grendel switching teamsIn post 158, MuttonChopMagic wrote:okay okay so I have some good poe going
this should make the scum start showing
cheetory, accountant, klick, gamma, notsure as green
so that leaves 3/7 scum in {bigben, ccc, paul, backhand, raya, grendel, drk}, neat
VOTE: raya I don't remember anything from him it seems
I like ccc as town now and he should stay
{not mafia, backhand, Paul, drk, hiraki}
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I've played probably 100 games of mafia and never seen a true policy lynch happen
any player that bad quits or starts adaptin
not mafia is the kind of player i don't really like playing with
him "contributing" is pretty much a myth
I mean if you wanna go that way then sure, he is probably town
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no, we don't completely ignore him because he softed pr
if he doesn't do anything actually useful then he climbs the lynch bar
if he's at l-1 and claims something believable, that is when we lynch elsewhere
I am the only vote on him atm I believe, that's not exactly biological warfare
also, to get all altruistic and shit, but understand
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In post 419, Accountant wrote:
whoever told you this was wrong and bad at the gameIn post 414, Gamma Emerald wrote:This indicates you aren't paying attention to things. It's a proven fact that scum don't have to read the Game as closely as they know everyone's alignment.-
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I think he's the most experienced person in this game?In post 441, notsure wrote:Interesting highlight Mutton. What kind of experience does Accountant have with this game?
I'm up there, probably hiraki and cheet, even not mafia have many hours and thangs
HS is new tho so I guess a rome ic flopped, *shocker*
back to the game, my vote is staying on Paul atm, nothing new to pffer-
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drk... huh. not sure why I've never heard of him then.In post 449, Accountant wrote:DRK and Cheet are both more experienced than me.
More votes on Backhand for his latest active lurk post would be nice.
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this is where my read started changing - he provides examples with rangingIn post 237, Grendel wrote:
https://forum.starmen.net/forum/Storage ... l-QuestionIn post 114, MuttonChopMagic wrote:I can already tell this game will be a pain
grendel, link me where rvs has caught scum mayn
drk, suck my left nut
klick I like but
drk not so much
it's ok though I'll be towns crutch
cheetory is town i think
drk is over explaining and being a stink
I like gamma for green
notsure what alignment not sure could be
I think Paul is getting too much shit
but wagoning a newb is fine, at least a bit
Its an offsite game, but used RQS and it helped me identify the players {Dipper, PigsmaskJames} There were other reads I got from it, but I'm not interested in doing leg work for you atm.
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Ironicly my own reads that I got from RQS were less accurate then Egg's observations. Egg called out Masquerade as scum, and was correct. RQS provided a start to that suspicion.
Not interested in sharing results from any games where I was not known as "Grendel"
Anyway, Your reads appear to be:
Town: Klick, Cheetory, Gamma
Null: Unsure
Getting too much flack: Not Puel
Scum: Grendel, DRK
Can you explain what Not Peul getting too much flack means for your read on Accountant? As they led that pressure.
The crux of your case against me looks like "Grendel is Buddying Cheetory", "Grendel's reasoning is gross" and "Grendel is voting me, Belh!"In post 115, MuttonChopMagic wrote:let's do a pbpa before I sleep
rqs, fuck off creep
le hilarious shitpost, you should be a comedian
more buddying of cheeto, the votes should be stampedin
oh look, third post in a row about cheeto
and more buddying... not tryna repeat though
67 is pretty gross in a different way
inventing some b.s. about rqs catching scum today
the pedit itself is even worse I think
but people discredit lamist as a tell so I won't make a stink
oh look, he's not thrilled with me, nice reasoning bro
and now the reasoning in 92... gross
I'm detached from the game state? checking boxes? fuck off
your rqs is what made the "game state" aloft
95 wording is really weird
pbpa out, my vote stays herr
--Elaborate on why these things are scummy to you--
I'm not sure if it means anything AI yet, but I am interested at the contrast in tone between these posts and your first. I want to jump on it and say that its scum over compensating for getting called out. But part of me feels that your emotion is genuine in said posts.
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I thought this showed genuine thought - if it's fake, I boughtIn post 243, Grendel wrote:
I think that Not Paul’s worst offense was only partipating in the RQS and not commenting on the game state itself. Which is a moderately scummy reaction to RQS. His answers also seemed oddly insecure. The self vote is just null, and silly.In post 103, Accountant wrote:
I disagree. Mutton's OP was perfectly fine. You probably mixed it up with Paul's OP.In post 92, Grendel wrote:What do you think of Mutten's OP. It read as super detached from the games state. More like checking a box for required partipation then genuine content imo
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I think what stood out to me about mutton was that he was incredibly detached his first post was, so much so that the points of discussions he highlighted looked stretched. His vote seemed less like, “I’m voting scum”, and more like, “I’m voting whoever is getting attention.” ei Cheetory
I guess standing back from them now Not Paul’s entrance looks as scummy as mutton’s entrance.
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and he explains why he didn't do it in that game which I likeIn post 246, Grendel wrote:I was wanting to avoid RC, and Frogger as much as possible.
I could tell JR was predisposed to scum read me from the start.
RQS usually garners more attention then going off and scumhunting by myself.
although it shows a lack of fear over anyone in this game, at least light-
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that is not being a dick to be bluntIn post 506, notsure wrote:In post 217, Accountant wrote:I really don't have the patience to engage with notsure's ignorance right now. Cheet, you have been drafted for mafia-explaining duty as the experienced player. Plz do your job.
suck my left nut. Why participate, if you're just going to be condescending? Dealing with me is part of the game snowflake. You know, you could actually address my post without being a douche. Your characterization of town skimming and not engaging is pretty dumb too. But feel free to gloss over it like you're special.In post 505, Accountant wrote:Where have I been a dick?
you are in the wrong here, not accountant
you can't play mafia if you let it affect you like this when nothing serious has taken place
this is nothing close to actual personal attacks I've seen, so I would take some time to consider if mafia is the game for you if you don't retract the replace
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done buddying accountant now thanks a lot
nothing I feel a strong desire to comment on at this spot-
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that would be a very dirty play if scum and since subbing removes you he wouldn't even get the metaphorical win in thoughtsIn post 548, Backhand wrote:
1000 times more stink. . . is more likely? Less likely?In post 540, MuttonChopMagic wrote:thought about it. not sure slot is close to lock town now I think
that's a gross replace, yes, but scum doing that there would be 1000 times more stink
so I don't consider it likely at all, the type of person who's oversensitive is typically not the type to take very low shots-
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maybe actually read my original post?In post 601, Nero Cain wrote:
tell us more.In post 576, PenguinPower wrote:Ugh, I'm pretty cool lynching RQS guy.
So you think he's town b/c he requested to be replaced?In post 577, MuttonChopMagic wrote:slingshitwaffles/notsure being lock town
via the replace out wording and around
for?In post 593, Gamma Emerald wrote:K I'm slightly townreading him
that's not what I said, no-
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In post 540, MuttonChopMagic wrote:thought about it. not sure slot is close to lock town now I think
that's a gross replace, yes, but scum doing that there would be 1000 times more stink-
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